The Quill and Tankard

Möoz

02:27

Hey guys, which Knight would have a Lamb on their shield? Anyone remember?

Historical figures included.

Edlothiad

07:19

@JAD given that image is supposedly printed in TWOIAF, I'd say you can trust it...

Aegon

@Möoz Men of House Stokeworth? Men of House Rambton if the device is a ram, not a lamb.

And good morning Gents

Edlothiad

> “What do you mean?” he said. “Do you wish
me a good morning, or mean that it is a good
morning whether I want it or not; or that you feel
good this morning; or that it is a morning to be
good on?”

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Because it is not a morning to be good on. Don't drink on Tuesdays kids! It gives you hangovers for Wednesdays...

Kepotx

07:34

but...but... my bear !

Edlothiad

@Kepotx if you're copying a comment verbatim I'd put it in a quotation block and link to the original comment.

Aegon

@Edlothiad All of them at once, I suppose

Kepotx

yes, edited

Edlothiad

@Aegon Now I don't know if this is coincidental, but that is also Bilbo's reply.

Aegon

07:51

@Edlothiad I know. Have watched the movies so much that I remember the script for the most part

Edlothiad

@Aegon *facepalm*, oh my sweet child, may the seven have mercy on your soul...

JAD

well to be fair, most book to movie adaptations leave out details, like Harry Potter and GoT. The Hobbit did not do that...

Edlothiad

@JAD Lol, is it worse to create twice as much story, or forget extraneous details?

JAD

08:07

@Edlothiad well, in a way, the combination averages out to a faithful adaptation

Edlothiad

Adding and removing details makes the change greater, not faithful...

JAD

but the average of -1 detail and 1 detail is 0 detail. So everything is right again

Edlothiad

08:21

Never do maths...

JAD

@Edlothiad trust me, I'm a statistician

Edlothiad

@JAD Aren't you in uni?

JAD

nah, I didn't update my profile in a while

In truth I graduated a bit over a year ago

Edlothiad

Ah ok, I thought you were like 19

JAD

I turn 25 next week, but close enough :p

TheLethalCarrot

08:54

@BaeltheBard When I saw this (title) I originally thought about the Romans at Hadrian's Wall, anyone else agree?

Edlothiad

Y'all know I don't know any history...

TheLethalCarrot

Neither do I but I have some basic understandings of it

A very limited understanding haha

TheLethalCarrot

09:33

Want a description of why the Roman Legions could have inspired the Night's Watch or is the quote enough?

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A: Are there any real-life parallels to the Night's Watch?

Roman Legions One of George R. R. Martin's main inspirations for the Night's Watch are the Roman Legions who manned Hadrian's Wall, as that is the inspiration for the Wall. Hadrian's Wall, of course, I think was the inspiration for the Wall. I've never been to China so I've never had a chanc...

Edlothiad

C/10

TheLethalCarrot

100 out of 10? Nice one

Edlothiad

Sure?

JAD

also if you place the map of the UK over the map of Westeros, Hadrian's Wall and The Wall are quite literally parallel :)

TheLethalCarrot

Oh yeah Hadrian's Wall is no doubt the main inspiration for the Wall

JAD

09:40

well, yeah, your quote is quite definite proof of that

TheLethalCarrot

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Kepotx

10:32

another parallel between NW and real life could be the military monastic order, i think that GRR Martin also say he was influenced by crusades, and there can be similarities

again, diferent culture, some oath (no woman, no children)

plus, the crusades were in the origin a noble cause but were corrupted by the time

TheLethalCarrot

If you go looking for parallels you'll undoubtedly find loads

In my brief ten minute search I turned up about 10 different theories

Kepotx

yes, there are lot of army corps who have some similarities, like the other answer of german military branch who recruit prisonners

the thing is, there is no perfect real life equivalent, just examples with more or less similarities

TheLethalCarrot

Exactly and that's what the quote at the bottom of my answer explains :)

Kepotx

yes, and that's why I dislike the fact that there can be only ONE correct answer on SE

I mean, my answer is not more correct than yours. just a diferent one

TheLethalCarrot

I dislike the check mark on SE altogether but that's a different argument

@Kepotx Also don't get into the territory cos then you're likely into "should the Q actually be closed?"

Kepotx

10:43

Well, there are different policies about this, but for me, the fact that there are several possible answer doesn't mean the question is bad

TheLethalCarrot

Of course not but when you get into any answer is equally correct then the question is bad

Edlothiad

11:03

#TemplarsAreBad #Assassins4eva

TheLethalCarrot

Played AC:O yet?

Rand al'Thor

Hey, congrats @TheLethalCarrot on the gold badge! :-D

(and sorry for being later for you than I was for Aegon)

I'm pretty sure that makes you the lowest-rep gold tag badger on the site.

TheLethalCarrot

Thanks! And no worries :)

Awesome go me :P

Rand al'Thor

Looks like it was a pretty close race there. Took 7 years for anyone to get a GoT gold, then two arrive within a week.

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot Nah, we're going to get it at some point, but not yet

TheLethalCarrot

11:10

@Randal'Thor When I got close it spurred Aeg on (ba dum tss) to go for it

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@Edlothiad Ah okay, tis good though I haven't played it for a bit

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot The third Gold badge is close, only 170 to go!

TheLethalCarrot

Lol, you'll get there soon!

Rand al'Thor

System Down used to be top of both the GoT and aSoIaF tags.

I guess he drifted away from the site.

Speaking of which, why are you guys getting golds in the screen crap rather than the original material? ;-)

TheLethalCarrot

Looks like it, Aeg is top in both at the moment

The race is still on for ASOIAF

data.stackexchange.com/scifi/query/edit/795146

Rand al'Thor

Also, here's a question some of you might be able to answer:

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Q: What is the evidence supporting the idea that Aegon (young Griff) is a Blackfyre?

I have read all of ASoIaF, and even though he gets limited time on the page, people love to speculate about young Griff, aka Aegon Targaryen. Apart from the fact that most people had assumed him dead, what is the evidence of the idea that he might be a Blackfyre?

Aegon

11:18

45

A: Why does the Golden Company raise the banners for a Targaryen?

Warning: This answer may contain serious spoilers for those who have not read ADWD. This is not the official position of GRRM but is derived from Canon evidence in favor of this very popular theory. TL;DR They did not! They did it for a Blackfyre. Aegon is a Blackfyre thus Golden Company is h...

TheLethalCarrot

TL;DR: Is that a theory or is it actually looking like he's a Blackfyre?

Aegon

@Randal'Thor Oh trust me I want to. But I need a kick in the back to get working. Guess I will just have to wait until TLC is close enough to take over.

Rand al'Thor

@Aegon Yep, I was thinking you might be the right person to answer the Lit one ;-) Someone already posted an answer based on yours, but didn't do a very good job of it, summarising too much and cutting out a lot of the evidence:

Maybe it needs one of your awesomely loooooooong and detailed answers.

TheLethalCarrot

@Aegon It'll be a while I'm busy at work and still have 45 answers to go plus score

Edlothiad

@Randal'Thor ctrl + c and ctrl + v are two handy shortcuts for getting long answers to other places.

Rand al'Thor

11:25

@Edlothiad It looks like the two questions are different, so the answers would have to be tweaked accordingly, and I'm not inclined to go through the answer understanding everything and working out which bits are still useful on the other post.

Edlothiad

Meh, it's long enough that it answers everything possible

Rand al'Thor

Answering everything possible doesn't necessarily make it a good answer to a specific question.

TheLethalCarrot

Isn't that a summary of all of Aeg's answers?

Rand al'Thor

I'd rather ask one of these aSoIaF gurus to write up an answer themselves than C&P something I only half-understand and which is only half-relevant.

@TheLethalCarrot :-O

Do I detect some saltiness there?

Edlothiad

"These" being non-inclusive to myself? offended...

@Randal'Thor Locker room banter

Rand al'Thor

11:28

@Edlothiad Not necessarily.

But I thought you were a LotR guru, not an aSoIaF guru?

Aegon

@Randal'Thor I would love to but it's hard enough to keep up with the communities I am currently active in. Joining a new community where I have the chance to talk ASOIAF might just be too distracting

Rand al'Thor

@Edlothiad They have lockers in Westeros?

Edlothiad

One can't have proficiency in more than one work?

@Randal'Thor Mans gotta get armoured up somewhere innit?

Rand al'Thor

@Aegon Awww. OK :-)

Aegon

I think you can go ahead without cropping stuff

The core premise of the answer is that Aegon is not what he says he is, he is a Blackfyre

Everything else is just supporting evidence

Edlothiad

11:30

@Aegon "too distracting" the tag has 4 questions...

Aegon

And I believe that's all the evidence we see in the books

@Edlothiad Get TLC there.

It will have 100+ self-answered questions within a week

Edlothiad

The banter is fire today...,

Rand al'Thor

@Edlothiad so far ... if some of you guys start being active there, I might post more aSoIaF questions just to get those good answers rolling in.

Edlothiad

@Randal'Thor or you could post questions here and get the answers anyways?

Seems strange to me to withhold asking questions because certain users aren't on a site where a question is on-topic when they're on another site where it's also on-topic.

Rand al'Thor

Well, yeah. But SFF isn't particularly in need of more traffic.

Aegon

11:33

I hope he doesn't post the questions here. I am working and you guys will gobble them all up by the time I get free.

Edlothiad

Lets agree to disagree.

@Aegon I can't I'm a "LotR-guru" so I can't be an "asoiaf-guru" ;)

Rand al'Thor

Can still answer questions without being a guru :-P

Edlothiad

I'm not going to find it, but know that a meta exists on that topic (that's for the regs here, not you rand)

Rand al'Thor

On what topic - being able to answer questions without being a guru?

There's an easy answer to that. It's called "Rand's Star Wars answers".

Edlothiad

@Randal'Thor No on the topic of nuclear fusion...

Rand al'Thor

11:40

@Edlothiad That would be Physics Meta you want, not here.

(I bet that lot were pissed off when the meta site URLs changed and they lost Metaphysics.SE ...)

TheLethalCarrot

Rand al'Thor

Anyway, I'm off. Be seeing you!

TheLethalCarrot

Ciao

Edlothiad

yawn

TheLethalCarrot

I think people should start asking their questions when I'm around not late at night for me :P

Edlothiad

11:49

I think I just want to play vidya games all evening, but I can't :(

TheLethalCarrot

I was planning on playing Fortnite all last night and then my GF decided she wasn't gonna do what she was going to so I couldn't anymore haha

Edlothiad

Fortnite is good, was playing with my brother on Sunday

I've kinda been guiltripped to watch my brothers rugby game on saturday, but I might just play fortnite

TheLethalCarrot

Haha both seem good

I've yet to win a solo game

I got 2nd a couple of times but not won yet

Edlothiad

Meh I'm terrible and I know it

I've been playing party games, and my best was like 12th

TheLethalCarrot

I don't like going squad cos I always queue solo and 99% of the time you get put with others that are bad at the game

I got knocked down in one game and a teammate just stared at the enemy that was next to me then turned their back on them and then got killed haha

Edlothiad

11:56

Well I normally play with my brother so we normally squad up, and last time we got another pair, so we just played in two pairs that stayed nearby to each other and helped each other out if necessary

Unfortunately they got knocked down and my brother went in all guns blazing and got rekt paha

TheLethalCarrot

Haha that's usually the case

Cos the aiming isn't consistent too you can never be too sure if you'll hit the enemy

TheLethalCarrot

13:26

Star Wars cameo in S1

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot Saw that one earlier and was going to post it paha

TheLethalCarrot

Me too decided to leave it a bit though haha

@Edlothiad I'm sure I've seen this meme for S7 or something else before

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot Every episode, season, book

JAD

@TheLethalCarrot that doesn't mean it can't be reused

TheLethalCarrot

On ff if it isn't reused it isn't allowed

JAD

13:33

@TheLethalCarrot well, if it wasn't reused it probably wasn't funny to begin with

not at least it's only not funny after seeing it 10 times

TheLethalCarrot

Meh, the reused ones are generally low quality that can be applied to a lot of things rather than good and funny in my opinion

TheLethalCarrot

14:41

@Kepotx +15 to +13 if it stays in the HNQ long enough I might overtake you :P

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot Harsh

TheLethalCarrot

Not harsh, tis fact

Kepotx

15/14, soon

TheLethalCarrot

Oh aye, I've capped now too :)

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot The truth can hurt, it's still harsh

GoT the new HP confirmed

TheLethalCarrot

14:47

Okay how about I meant not to be harsh? :P

Kepotx

@Edlothiad what do you mean by this ?

Edlothiad

It's an old meme, that whatever HP question got asked it would hit the HNQ

Kepotx

"How is HP world inspired by real world"

TheLethalCarrot

@TheLethalCarrot 38/50 for Epic now too

JAD

"Does Hogwarts have inwards opening gates?"

Kepotx

14:48

also, my sky cell question on worldbuilding also reach HNQ

TheLethalCarrot

Shhh amf's around

amflare

Can someone UV a random post of mine? I need it for bug testing. You can unvote in a minute once I get a screenshot

I need to see a rep thing in the topbar

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot I'm almost at 100 I believe

Kepotx

done one UV

amflare

Cheers mate. Got what I needed, thanks.

TheLethalCarrot

14:50

@Edlothiad 98 yeah, go you

Edlothiad

@JAD You summoned hm, gosh darn it...

@TheLethalCarrot 99 if someone asks something I can answer today, 7.5 toots to god...

TheLethalCarrot

Go you

Kepotx

gosh

wonder if the flame of a dragon is always correlated with their cales color, but Rhaegal is the combo breaker

shame on you Rhaegal

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot Oh you make me blush

TheLethalCarrot

lol

Kepotx

14:56

15-15

TheLethalCarrot

I thought yours would get some upvotes as mine was getting some

amflare

What question are you guys talking about?

Edlothiad

You can't actually see the flame of a Dragon because the rocket only ignites in space:

Kepotx

if only i could find a SoSpokeMartin about FFL...

TheLethalCarrot

@amflare RL parallels of Night's Watch

@Kepotx He talks about taking inspiration from French history here: westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/Second_Life_Appearance though it's only a throwaway line and no details

Kepotx

14:58

20

Q: Are there any real-life parallels to the Night's Watch?

In A Song of Ice and Fire (and also in the series Game of Thrones), the Night's Watch is a peculiar institution: Regardless of its actual usefulness, it serves a supposedly "vital" function which was originally considered an honorable endeavor by all cultures which partook in the tradition. In ot...

game-of-thrones a-song-of-ice-and-fire inspiration history

yes, but as I understand, french medieval history, not current one

TheLethalCarrot

Think so but it's unclear

Although there is another quote that says "English and French medieval history"

Kepotx

can this image help me to get more upvotes ?

TheLethalCarrot

Lol, blue out the FFL guy and shop Jon's face onto him and you're golden

Edlothiad

No one liked my Dragon joke...

TheLethalCarrot

Well I didn't get it haha

amflare

15:07

I didn't get it

I assumed I was missing context

Kepotx

spaceX dragon

Edlothiad

SpaceX's dragon capsule...

It was a stretch, I'll admit, and it's not very clear with the photo...

TheLethalCarrot

Oh the image link would have shown me that

Meh joke, poorly executed ;P

Aegon

@Kepotx ^ This version might

amflare

+1

TheLethalCarrot

15:11

Hahaha

Edlothiad

I have to go...

amflare

o/

TheLethalCarrot

@Edlothiad Too many gates for your liking?

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot This...

TheLethalCarrot

We all know where the problem lies

Well that and a certain fiery user

amflare

15:15

the beauty

the grace

behold the gate as it swings gently open

on hinges of the finest workmanship

Kepotx

hey, 17-15, maybe i will stay first

TheLethalCarrot

Looks like it :)

Edlothiad

I'm glad my downvote is keeping him from 100

amflare

like the maw of a mouth waiting to devour its guests

TheLethalCarrot

@amflare I still like how you have 4 random images in your answer

amflare

15:17

yes

true examples of superior gates

only the finest will do

Edlothiad

Absolute savagery from a young Ed

> also look at your door, if it was outward opening the hinges would be on the outside. Pop that off, and you might as well start singing Timber by Pitbull

TheLethalCarrot

I did like that comment though

I'm still not sure why we could never close that Q

amflare

there were so many stupid comments all over that Q/A

not yours, Ed

but the sort that would reply to it

@TheLethalCarrot I think it was closed twice

Edlothiad

Idiots who should be banned.

TheLethalCarrot

Yeah I'm moaning about the people that wanted it open

Aegon

15:19

2

@TheLethalCarrot Clumsy but you get the idea

amflare

@TheLethalCarrot THE QUESTION IS LIKE A GATE OPEN THEN CLOSED THEN OPEN THEN CLOSED THEN OPEN

so majestic

Kepotx

oh gosh, so beautifull

TheLethalCarrot

It's so metaphorical!

amflare

wipes away tear

Kepotx

can I use it in my answer please ?

TheLethalCarrot

15:21

@Edlothiad You voted to Leave Open unless I'm missing something haha

Though you also voted to Leave Closed the other time it was in review

Aegon

@Kepotx Sure thang. Zombie Jon with skin coming off his cheek, With FFL in French Guiana (Circa 282 AC, Colorized)

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot vv

chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/39179/2018/1/30/0-12

Why won’t you onebox?

TheLethalCarrot

The link isn't to a message that I can see

Kepotx

17-16, hope that the picture will keep me ahead

Edlothiad

yesterday, by Edlothiad

Oneboxed

TheLethalCarrot

15:31

Ban yourself? :P

Edlothiad

If I make such mistakes... yes

amflare

@Edlothiad Don't let the gate hit you on the way out

Edlothiad

Ba dum tss

TheLethalCarrot

@Kepotx I edited the picture to be smaller hope you don't mind, the click through is the original size still

Kepotx

no problem

Edlothiad

15:34

Now that is some curious reviewing

TheLethalCarrot

Yours?

Edlothiad

Yeah

TheLethalCarrot

Was there ever a meta about that Q?

Edlothiad

“Knights hospitaller were like NW, they were given lands, etc...” umm what? Nothing there indicates similarity

@TheLethalCarrot a lot of angry chatter, but maybe

TheLethalCarrot

Yeah haha

Edlothiad

15:40

I don’t have Ed.wikia handy right now

TheLethalCarrot

Well NW were given the Gift but I'm not sure how that example seems related to the NW

@Edlothiad You really need to make that :P

@Edlothiad That whole example seems nothing like NW in my opinion but I might be missing something

Edlothiad

Umm nothing when searching for “gates”

TheLethalCarrot

haha

Edlothiad

It’s entirely unrelated

TheLethalCarrot

I've commented for clarification, we shall see

Aegon

15:44

@Edlothiad I am gonna copy paste, replace KH with Templars and change names of a few figures here and there. 188!!!!

Kepotx

i will do another one with the order of the holy sepulcre, so we will se wich one will win

Aegon

@Kepotx I always wanted to see a Battle Royale between Christian Holy Orders

It would be terribly confusing with everyone yelling DEUS VULT and wearing crosses but oh well

TheLethalCarrot

Add the Assassin's in and they'll take care of the Templar's for you :P

Kepotx

could be fun

Aegon

TheLethalCarrot

15:52

@Aegon Apparently there's a few Mount and Blade mods for Battle Royale so you can play it yourself

Aegon

@TheLethalCarrot Oh been ages since I played M&B

TheLethalCarrot

My version stopped working last I checked

Aegon

Man finding ASOIAF questions to answer is hard

TheLethalCarrot

[a-song-of-ice-and-fire] -[game-of-thrones]

Aegon

@TheLethalCarrot Well I have an iso of "Non-Steam" version, doubt it will stop working ;)

TheLethalCarrot

15:54

Ah fair enough :)

Kepotx

what do you mean by battle royal mod ?

TheLethalCarrot

@Aegon Apparently there's a chivalry battle royale mod/mode too

@Kepotx People made the mode themselves because there's no official support from the devs

Aegon

@TheLethalCarrot Which site tho? Moddb?

Kepotx

Yes, i know (I also play M&B, Bannerlord fo the win!)

just don't know the goal of BR mod

TheLethalCarrot

I dunno I just googled it

Last man standing

Kepotx

15:57

@TheLethalCarrot they are to busy to develop warband

TheLethalCarrot

Guess so I haven't played it in a while

Kepotx

same, but i think i would play again once warband would be released

TheLethalCarrot

I do quite like games with no rank/unlocks makes them more casual and fun

Though of course I love a good competitive game haha

Kepotx

some games are overly comptetitive for me

TheLethalCarrot

That's the case with everything, you'll always get people being competitive even if the game isn't meant to be

Kepotx

16:04

i prefer sandbox games like CK2 over cancerous games like LoL

TheLethalCarrot

I've never been interested in LoL

I did play a lot of CS:GO at one point though

Edlothiad

16:28

Wait what's Battle Royale?

TheLethalCarrot

Fortnite's free mode is BR

Kepotx

a manga/movie where some teenagers must fight between each others to the end

is fortnite really good ?

TheLethalCarrot

It's fun, doesn't take itself too seriously

amflare

@TheLethalCarrot this game is amazing

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot Battle Royale is a game?

TheLethalCarrot

16:30

Game mode

amflare

Its a game mode in Fortnite

Edlothiad

Ok just checking

TheLethalCarrot

PUBG is BR

Edlothiad

And the Battle Royale you were talking about above is a different game from Fortnight

amflare

but Fortnite BR is free and just as good, if not better

TheLethalCarrot

16:31

It takes itself less seriously and is more cartoonish

It depends on what you want from the game

I do enjoy them both though

@Edlothiad I was saying Mount and Blade and Chivalry both have BR mods or modes

Edlothiad

Ok

I didn't know these were games

TheLethalCarrot

Medieval warfare games

Kepotx

what's difference between mod and modes ?

modes is an official mod ?

TheLethalCarrot

Well that's how I'm using the word yes

amflare

modes and mods are two entierly different things

don't conflate the words

TheLethalCarrot

16:33

I'm using mode as in official playstyles

Mod as in fan made bolt on content

H1Z1 wasn't a very good BR game in my opinion

Arma has some good BR/KotH servers

I'll shush with the off topic chatter now

amflare

@TheLethalCarrot MOAR

TheLethalCarrot

lol

I mean I certainly could bore you all with my opinions on games and stuff but I won't haha

Or won't anymore :P

amflare

16:50

Oh my gosh. My direct manager thinks that automation is the holy grail of any project we work on and his boss (who is also the owner) doesn't see any work being done unless it activity changes the UI of the app.

The golden handcuffs are real

TheLethalCarrot

Whenever we make a new product the UI "has to be different so the customers see a change"

A good example is the calculator on Windows, no one piped up when the rewrote the backend so it was more accurate but as soon as the UI changed it was noticed everywehere

JAD

17:33

@amflare so make sure that during the build, there is a random number generator that decides the background colour of the UI. You'll know for sure that they'll notice something changed

amflare

18:08

@JAD hahaha! I like it

"Yes Boss, we thought lime green would give it more pop"

Kepotx

18:47

reach the reputation cap today. thank you, dear HNQ

amflare

hnq is 4 n00bs

real usrs reach cap with blod sweat n tears

Kepotx

well, at least, thanks to the HNQ, more people know why do castle gates in GoT open inwards?

amflare

@Kepotx excellent point, I stand corrected

Kepotx

the thing is, if you have good enough question/answer, it will probably be in HNQ. So unless you do everal answer/questions, or get the old question/answers upvoted, you can't

amflare

that is more true for some tags than others

Edlothiad

20:57

@amflare is that why you never reach it?

amflare

21:18

you are a very funny man

Edlothiad

I wasn't joking...

amflare

21:33

There are worse things than being funny be accident

Edlothiad

being an accident is worse?

DukeZhou

I was just reading a little about the Emperor Claudius, and the ancient historians agree he was poisoned with a dish of succulent mushrooms. No doubt in my mind GRRM was referencing this when he wrote the Illyrio/Tyrion scene.

amflare

@Edlothiad *by

Edlothiad

@amflare That was a joke

amflare

21:48

@Edlothiad *buy

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