UX Chat

Aadaam

01:08

I did a monstre answer on infinite scrolling (which I asked myself) - thought about showing just one or two of the examples, but then I said, okay, if I give hints, I might as well also do it properly, as I was a bit pissed off by the brain-dead answers... ux.stackexchange.com/a/25131/16685

Jin

@Aadaam nice.

Aadaam

@Jin: Thx, but not nice deed-wise so I'm pretty angry at myself that I couldn't motivate the others :S

@Jin: BTW, we had this issue on Meta: meta.ux.stackexchange.com/questions/1065/… - do you have the color palette you used saved somewhere?

Jin

@Aadaam UX wasn't designed by me. the inspiration wasn't to look like SE.

but i agree that's a really really bad readability issue.

Aadaam

Yeah... I see now that you handed it to some russian guy... I just tried to guess what was the design intent

Jin

the problem is that we link to favicon, apple touch icon from other places. so it doesn't always have the right bgcolor

UX.se was designed before StackExchange had a formal branding.

Aadaam

01:20

is there an apple touch icon generator you use?

(like, I upload a png file, and get back the apple touch icon so that I could see what gets made out of it)

Jin

if you view the html source, you will see apple touch icon being called.

Aadaam

I see

but that actually looks exactly like what I've made quickly

what is this lighter color version we have on All Sites and User profile then?

why is it different and when is it better to use than this one?

Jin

@Aadaam the right answer is, i messed up.

i'm fixing it now.

thanks for bringing it to my attention

Aadaam

I hoped there was an answer which is more... technical

sorry, I didn't know it was your fault

Jin

@Aadaam i just pushed a fix. should be in our next production build

Aadaam

01:28

thank you, Jin! :)

and sorry for bugging you with such minor things, it's only I remembered it from yesterday.

Jin

@Aadaam oh please do bug me!

Aadaam

:)

Jin

i try to fix all the css/styling bugs on our sites... but we have so many sites now. sometimes i lose track

Aadaam

yeah, especially if you fix them on betas as well

Jin

well, Beta sites are a bit easier, since they all use the same CSS theme.

we use LESS for our css, so it makes my job a bit easier.

Aadaam

01:32

yeah, I don't know who thought at W3C that you don't want to define a color palette, and have to tell hexas each time you use them

and it seems the class system is an inadequate classification even for graphics designers

Jin

I really really love LESS. I have a hard time writing just vanilla css.

Aadaam

I use LESS and similar stuff only after a given project size

that's because if the project is small and not visited so often, the additional burden of compiling doesn't worth it.

Jin

I recently re-designed my blog, had to write in plain css. it felt so weird.

Aadaam

albeit LESS is able to compile itself in the browser as far as I remember, but that causes flickering

hmm, I thought wordpress has a LESS module..

it does: wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-less

Jin

@Aadaam yeah i'd avoid client side less/sass compile

Aadaam

01:41

(albeit if you use some kind of hosted solution, of course you can't use plugins)

Jin

I love WordPress

Aadaam

I try to stay away from visual design and site building :)

everything I know about beauty is hard-earned knowledge rather than instinct

I can't even draw well

wordpress has really quick limits

as long as you blog, it's the most wonderful platform on the world

then when you actually try to organize content...

everything becomes a hack basically

it doesn't have a built-in notion of content types, just as a start

Jin

well yes. WP, like many other CMS, is just that, a CMS.

Aadaam

WP is even a bit less than other CMSes

Typo3 has a really sophisticated notion of content (albeit it's painful to style)

Drupal has a stand on content as well

Jin

I've used Drupal a lot.

but when it comes to a CMS, the one that provides the least friction for less tech savvy users is the better one IMO.

Aadaam

01:47

WP is really optimized for blogging, albeit I've heard from rumors that graphics designers like to use it for all kind of tasks, which did surprise me honestly.

Drupal is really-really geeky, agreed

sometimes I'd go in, and just redesign its interactions from scratch

(for the administration part)

but building, for example, a Q&A site out of wordpress is insane

Jin

we used drupal when i worked at the FCC

it was so painful to use

Aadaam

everything is a blogpost

you can create blogposts which are shown in a menu, and then it calls them pages

but no notion of "question", "anwer", "vote" ...

drupal can be teached to have notion of these

that there exists a type of content which is called.. "answer" and it has certain properties.

yeah, well... it's always a question of balance

Jin

fcc.gov

it runs off drupal

Aadaam

yeah, now imagine doing this site's Information Architecture in Wordpress...

Jin

yeah. i think wp is great for blogging.

Aadaam

01:52

then, just imagine a change request, like, "add a new field for all the event descriptions", or "make locations appear on a map on the right side"

WP is the definitive tool for blogging, agreed

but it'd be just hard to fit large government sites into it, or anything with a diverse set of content types

btw, at SE, did the guys create some proper tooling for the creative team, or they just provide you with HTML templates which you enrich?

(at Nokia Maps, we did all kind of internal tools for the map designer team so that they don't have to dwell into codes but do what they're great at - visual thinking)

Jin

@Aadaam i created most things.

Aadaam

you mean, you created tooling as well?

Jin

our dev converted some older sites' css to LESS.

@Aadaam what do you mean by tooling?

Aadaam

like, when we did heatmaps, we had a heatmap color editor

Jin

@Aadaam oh that. our devs did it.

all of our sites use the same html output. so if we change the html base, it affects all sites.

I create the css/images for each site's skin

we have a streamlined build process.

Aadaam

02:00

I see

but I guess it's still sourcefiles then

so you edit, let's say, programmers.se.less, push it into the version control, and see as it goes through the pipes

Jin

@Aadaam yep. we use mercurial

when i push it, it builds the dev server automatically. then when the core team dev make a production build, it gets pushed to live.

Aadaam

I don't remember what was fogcreek a maniac of, but perhaps it was mercurial

yeah, that's usual continous delivery methods

Jin

yeah, or CEO Joel wrote the tutorial on mercurial

hginit.com

Aadaam

yeah, I remember - I still don't believe him :)

Joel can be a fan of a lot of things

and I just like the control SVN provides with its centralized thinking

but recently, everyone is using all kinds of mercurial-like stuffs around

so I guess in my next company - if I don't die striving first - I'll have to use one of them :)

Jin

@Aadaam well, before Mercurial, the last VS I used was visual sourcesafe...

back in the early 2000s when I used to a lot of programming.

Aadaam

02:09

in the early 2000s, MS VSS was really bad...

Jin

it was....

Aadaam

if you checked out a file, noone else could edit it...

CVS was a bit better, but it was waay too buggy

once we did a mistake, and for 3-4 hours, every single localizable string was "XXX" in one of Expedia's main sites :)

Jin

I sure don't miss DLL+MTS...

Aadaam

the funny part: we didn't even touch those files with that release

I do miss the design thinking in development

nowadays as Agile is in full swing, it doesn't have enough respect

Jin

fun fact: I quit programming all together the day after I got my asp.net certification...

Aadaam

02:12

:D

I don't have one, but I sweared to myself the last job I had was the last programming job I had :)

Jin

and for years I keep on getting MCP email spams.

Aadaam

it gets chaotic and I don't want to be part of it anymore

well, you could make nice ASP.NET webapps for good money :)

did you get the cert when postback was THE way to go?

what a usability nightmare that was...

Jin

@Aadaam this was in 2004

I hated .net.

Aadaam

in 2004, I guess so

.net itself is fine, it's just you need 5 years at university to learn to appreciate it

the way ASP.NET worked at that time was not fine.

Jin

viewstate.... nuff said

I actually enjoyed classic ASP a lot more.

Aadaam

02:18

yeah, view state == postback

Jin

yeah also i didn't like the server controls

Aadaam

refreshing the page after every single mouseclick, or sometimes even keyboard events,

Jin

very limited on the frontend, as far as rendering.

Aadaam

and posting the whole world to the serverside

it was slow even if you were in the same room with the server, and there were only 10 users.

yeah, wasn't too web-y

but even in 2010, people felt at EPAM that web is just another fad coming and going

(EPAM does expedia,coca cola, mtv networks, reuters, ubs... such small companies)

albeit classic ASP was also crazy, it didn't scale well

you could easily got lost after about 10 pages

and you could simply forget security basically.

JonW

07:34

Hoi hoi peeps! Back from my film festival. What have I missed?

Ben Brocka

12:18

Not much, except for the mole people

JonW

Ooh, I like moles

Rahul

12:36

wtf, jin was in here

damn you jin!

JonW

@Rahul I think he popped in to say he's fixed the UX logo around the SE place.

Aadaam

12:53

@JonW: I told him about the problem here on chat, that's when he fixed it - I don't know why he was here :)

JonW

@Aadaam Just hanging out I guess. It's the cool place to be!

Ben Brocka

Arg someone is editing mostly just to add "smart" quotes

I hate smart quotes. They never &#;play nice&#; with the web

Or rather I hate the 500 editing programs that use proprietary symbols for smart quotes which fail when copied and pasted into any other program

Aadaam

13:13

I did a monstre answer with 7 different patterns of how infinite scroll should be handled based on context, it got 2 ups only, and people are still telling me that infinite scrolling is good as it is... yay.

Ben Brocka

it's one of those questions like the "zoom without pinch/tap". Everyone thinks the question is interesting but no one wants to admit the real answers are actually as good as it gets

Aadaam

actually, Nokia does zoom with pinch only to silence down the crowd

Ben Brocka

I haven't read your answer yet either

Aadaam

2

A: With infinite scrolling, do scrollbars still make sense?

So, a few alternatives. Emulating a "real" scrollbar while maintaining infinite scrolling Emulation-oriented approach restore the usual scrollbars while still providing infinite scrolling. They're useful if the content actually has a reasonable end. An image gallery like in the above example ...

it's so long that it has actual chapters

Ben Brocka

what do you mean pinch only?

Aadaam

13:24

pinch, only to

they have + and - buttons, 90%+ percent of users use only that

it's much more convenient on 4 inches than pinching, especially since you have to hold the phone as well somehow.

but of course there was a big outcry, that "Nokia UX is so stupid, they don't understand thouchscreens"

so, they added this feature just to have the geeky crowd who haven't seen real users shut up

dhmholley

90%+ of users don't use pinch-to-zoom?

JonW

@dhmholley Double-tap works on iOS for zoom, i think?

Or does that just zoom in fully rather than partially

Aadaam

@dhmholley: I don't remember the exact number, but I was doing UX at Nokia...

dhmholley

I mean, I don't know who you consider a "real user" but I use pinch-to-zoom and prefer it to trying to tap fiddly buttons.

Aadaam

if you want to do pinching, you have to use two hands

dhmholley

13:28

I often use two hands on my phone to tap links and buttons that are small or at the top of the screen. Two hands doesn't bother me too much.

Aadaam

it's really hard to hold a thin phone (a lumnia or n9 is thinner than an iphone) while trying to pinch

well, nokia phone navigation is used mainly while driving.

I see, ok

dhmholley

I've used a lot of different phones, thin ones like the Arc and the SII, thinner than a Lumia. I don't remember them being difficult to handle.

Aadaam

and I guess it's actually a UI rule there to be able to use all built-in software single-handeldly

I didn't say it's difficult. I said, keeping them in one hand while trying to do a two-fingure gesture is difficult.

if you have a thick and/or heavy device, it's easier, it'll stay in your hand

but a thin one will slip out.

dhmholley

I mean, sure, if you did studies with your users then I will go with your point, but I've never seen pinch-to-zoom as being "geeky", "niche" or not representative of real use.

Aadaam

personally I didn't, but the user research team did

Ben Brocka

13:33

@JonW Isn't that only in the browser? At least I've only ever used it in browser

Aadaam

*grabs his iphone

dhmholley

Double tap does a page zoom on safari IIRC, and zooms with a text reflow on the stock Android browser

JonW

Yeah probably. I do it all instinctively now so I've no idea what really happens anymore.

Aadaam

nope, doubletap works in maps as well

Ben Brocka

I only use tap to zoom because of the reflow in android. Pinch feels much better for any time I want any sort of control over the zoom level

dhmholley

13:35

tap zooms on Google Maps too

Aadaam

@BenBrocka: fun fact: you don't have real control over the zoomlevel with pinching

dhmholley

Interestingly pinch to zoom works on Android homescreens too, allows you to zoom out to see them all.

Aadaam

as in case of maps, zooming also changes level of detail

dhmholley

(disclaimer, this may just be part of the Sense UI)

Aadaam

doubletap changes exactly one level of detail and doubles the scale

Ben Brocka

13:36

@Aadaam Not sure what you mean. It's direct manipulation and far, far more granular than tap to zoom

Aadaam

let me show it, a moment

Ben Brocka

@dhmholley Go homescreen does that too. Not sure about stock android

dhmholley

@Aadaam Isn't that very prescriptive and digital, meaning that you don't actually have any control beyond the preset zoom levels? Pinch to zoom is analog for most applications.

Aadaam

a.maptile.maps.svc.ovi.com/maptiler/v2/maptile/newest/…

so, this is zoom level 0, or no zoom

a.maptile.maps.svc.ovi.com/maptiler/v2/maptile/newest/…

and this is the topleft quarter of zoom level one

do you notice any change on top of scaling?

Ben Brocka

ugh does IE9 seriously not have an option to remember last open tabs?

I remember switching to Firefox, that feature alone made it worth it

dhmholley

13:40

Google maps loads in map elements dynamically when you pinch to zoom. Changing map features as you zoom in is not really a big wow.

Aadaam

yes, but it does so if your pinching reaches the level of double scale

Ben Brocka

The important thing in Maps is that I can pick my bounding box

if I'm zoomed at the country level and want to zoom in on a state that's one single smooth action, instead of X predetermined tap actions plus some fussing with panning

Aadaam

actually, on the iphone is not continous

since you have to do pinch, release, pinch, release

while with a zoom button, you could just press and hold.

dhmholley

Quite possibly, but with the button the centre of the bounding box stays the same. Multiple pinch gestures means refocusing the centre as you go, making it easier to gauge the appropriate zoom level

Ben Brocka

Ideally yes, but with zoom buttons you have to fuss with panning again; with pinch you're doing both at the same time

and it is continuous depending on how far you need to zoom, though the iPhone has some seriously limited screen width

dhmholley

13:45

Zoom, pan, zoom, pan isn't obviously better than pinch, pinch, pinch.

Aadaam

yeah, well, I can't tell the solution for that as it's still under development

(at Nokia, it takes years to make something into production)

dhmholley

here's hoping you get it released before the company collapses and is bought by Microsoft :P

Aadaam

:)

dhmholley

I always liked Nokia, great phones.

Aadaam

I don't work for Nokia anymore, it went crazy years ago

dhmholley

13:47

Windows Phone 7+? Not my cup of tea.

Aadaam

I remember I nearly throwed the n9 prototype out of the window :)

and that isn't windows phone

Ben Brocka

3

A: Are circular menu / button interfaces intuitive?

These are generally calledRadial menus or Pie menus. Radial menus appear around a touch/click target and you move to the section of the circle to make your selection. Radial menus are a design often used for tablets and touch. There's lots of research out there on radial menus: Modeling Hierar...

Aadaam

in fact, I was using my old non-touchy sony ericsson while there :)

Ben Brocka

radial menus never get the love the deserve :(

@dhmholley better than meego :P

or symbian for that matter

Aadaam

yup

except that meego could run android apps

dhmholley

13:49

@BenBrocka Not had a chance to try it

Ben Brocka

It's about damn time phone OSes stopped being second class citizens

Aadaam

so nokia would have been able to retain their own OS and tap into the android marketplace.

JonW

@BenBrocka The trouble I have with them is that you don't know what options are in teh menu until you've brougfht it up (right click, usually). Then you're kind of committed to selecting something from it. They're a pain to click away from to close. I don't find them instinctive and they haven't tested too well when we've implemented them.

Ben Brocka

@Aadaam and be even more of a third wheel than Windows Phone :P

Aadaam

@BenBrocka: have you ever tried to use a wp as your daily phone for more than a week?

JonW

13:51

Well, by 'tested' I mean 'some people using them in our software got so confused we implemented a full main menu in addition to the radial one.

Ben Brocka

@JonW usually a tap/etc in the middle dismisses them. And lots of menus aren't exposed until you open them; they often replace dropdowns

And they're awesome for pens, you can just move the pen away from the screen

Aadaam

Metro is a nice demo, but it's as far from real life as a painting is from a photograph.

dhmholley

I'm waiting for the day that Windows Phone 8 allows me to run regular Windows programs on my phone. Oh, for the day I can play DEFCON or Artemis on a phone without using a streaming app...

Ben Brocka

@Aadaam No actually, but I've used phone OSes developed by smaller companies, and each and every one of them was a freaking nightmare

Aadaam

like, webos?;)

Ben Brocka

13:53

I've heard webos wasn't terrible. I mean more like standard feature phone OSes

dhmholley

I spent my entire several months using WP7 going "why is the browser so shit? why are there no apps? the speed optimisation for calling and texting and other traditional "phone" things is useless to me." But then, I'm nowhere near the target market for WP.

Aadaam

yeah, you could turn it off with about 4 clicks, if you had the patience to wait 10 seconds between each of them

dhmholley

Seriously, Internet Explorer as a mobile browser. Worst. Idea. Ever.

Aadaam

@dhmholley: I'll tell you a secret: it's not even IE9, it's called IE 6.5 for mobile.

dhmholley

-_-

I hear they've upgraded the browser in the recent version, though.

Aadaam

13:56

I hope so

Ben Brocka

I wish MS would stop coupling their browser to the damn OS already

Give it some sort of OS API to let it keep it's (insecure) low level features and let people update the damn thing

Aadaam

I guess they'd switch to webkit only if: it wasn't controlled by Apple and Google and it wouldn't break a lot of things.

Ben Brocka

Well actually it would fix a lot of things. People have just designed things to be broken for IE

Aadaam

a lot of applications have IE as a display engine

esp. now as the market is full of html-aware frontend devs and uxes

like, AIM is written such a way

Ben Brocka

True, shudder. I think steam still does that

I was horrified when I saw the default IE error page there once

It's like finding out Santa is just your dad in a suit

Aadaam

14:15

:)

except you usually don't hate your own dad.

it's a technical balance I guess:

by using the IE engine, it's easier to gain access to different OS APIs

while it's a nightmare with firefox / xulrunner

and yet the methodology for designing to IE is well known, even if it's a P.I.T.A.

Ben Brocka

Yeah, I was just surprised to find it's lots of web stuff. But before then I hadn't realized steam had a website and all that too

dhmholley

Steam's website was built by the same person who built the Domino's website, and Amazon. I swear.

All three make it almost too easy to buy things.

Aadaam

I was surprised when I realized that the iTunes Store isn't HTML-based

dhmholley

Perhaps I just need better self-control

Aadaam

it's a kind of proprietary quicktime xml

@dhmholley: shall I teach you how to redirect these sites to your own machine so that you can't buy anything?;)

dhmholley

14:23

That's like cutting your hand off because you keep scratching an itch D:

Ben Brocka

@dhmholley Steam's (and Amazon's) design is not in the website/GUI design

It's the convenience and cost

I can never spell convenience right and Chrome can never provide the right suggestion for how I misspell it

Aadaam

well, that's also user experience design

shall we call it a bunch of dark patterns

?;)

Ben Brocka

It's more than the website though, it's the service

Aadaam

the service is a system

the website is only a component of that system

Ben Brocka

Awesome as web stuff is, you can't HTML and CSS your way into cloud-available, cross platform gaming with cloud saves plus extreme sales

dhmholley

14:31

Goddamnit now I'm wishing that I were at home gaming rather than working.

Aadaam

solution: play at work! :)

dhmholley

14:42

I wish.

Pesikar

14:53

@BenBrocka Steam used to use IE as renderer. They have switched to webkit some time ago.

Ben Brocka

Oh, that's good at least

I could swear it sucked less but I wasn't quite sure why

Pesikar

I guess it was along with the major redesign

Ben Brocka

15:14

crap, approving that edit ressurected this question ux.stackexchange.com/questions/11401/better-term-for-user what have I done

Meh, closed it. Should have done that a while ago

Ben Brocka

16:08

The art of passive-aggressive redesign (good examples)

dhmholley

looking through tag synonyms as I recently unlocked the ability. Do you think color-combination can be mapped onto color-scheme?

Ben Brocka

yes

IMDB: Transformers: Dark Transformers of Transformers

dhmholley

5 rep on the tag required :-/

Ben Brocka

I'll add it. Which should be the "master" i.e. what actually shows up on the question?

dhmholley

I think in practice the master should be color-scheme, though color-combination is more frequently tagged.

Aadaam

16:16

that's because Visual Design guys search for color combinations I guess (at least the VD books I've read used this terminology)

Ben Brocka

the color combo's tag more aptly describes color-scheme, I'll make scheme the master

Aadaam

but amateurs call it "color scheme"

dhmholley

Ah, that would make sense

Aadaam

my problem with these tag removals is that we make the site less usable for one of those groups when removing one of them, but I know I'm a minority about this

dhmholley

Oh, here's one I can suggest. Hyperlinks -> link or the other way around

Ben Brocka

16:19

@Aadaam if you tag a question "color combo" or search for it, you'll get color-scheme instead, quietly

That's the point of synonyms

Aadaam

yeah, well, let's hope

once I had a terminology dance with landscape architects

we were designing a portfolio site for them

and it had a dual audience of customers (usually, town councils) and partners (construction firms who need to do landscape architecture as part of the work)

dhmholley

On the whole there aren't many tags with obvious synonyms, so I suppose that's generally a good sign.

Aadaam

one of them looked for the "proper" definition, while the others tried to use the "inproper" one...

Ben Brocka

I derped up the tag synonym process, can you vote of this one: ux.stackexchange.com/tags/color-scheme/synonyms

dhmholley

Again, the 5 rep requirement is a pain.

Aadaam

16:24

I guess it's needed so no outsider of a topic can re-tag it

I mean, if you're not interested, or, not really into, let's say,javascript programming, you shouldn't be able to retag it to 'java'

dhmholley

Yeah, which I guess makes a lot more sense on SO

Aadaam

(as many HR firms come, and say, "we see you worked with a lot of java", "no, that's javascript", "yeah, well, it's java, right?" "I don't think you should be in the IT hiring business.")

Ben Brocka

approved link-> hyperlink as it was clearly the intended meaning

and nvm, I approved the other synonym too

dhmholley

shiny

Ben Brocka

0

Q: Force tag synonym if a mod tries to make one, even if it's already suggested

So as a mod there are two different ways I can make a tag synonym; I can suggest it and it goes through voting like normal, or I can just make the dang thing myself immediately without voting. I accidentally suggested a synonym instead of making one outright (because the UI for doing this is spr...

Please vote to help get this awkward UI flow fixed

That was extremely annoying for a simple process

Rahul

18:23

I have discovered that Safari 6 is a buggy mess

Aadaam

great discovery

it has to be extended with another one: chrome is a trojan horse.

firefox cares more about open source religion than actual users

and IE is sh.t, but everyone knows that.

Rahul

no, actually I just meant to trash Safari and leave the others alone :)

Aadaam

18:50

it's the american choice: you have a lot of options, and all of them are bad.

:)

I guess most of the people give up all of their remaining privacy to google easily

I mean, "they said they don't do evil, they surely won't do it, right?"

Ben Brocka

19:43

We need to get more hot questions...this one on Workplace asploded today: workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3492

despite all the cleanup that's associated with that

Charles Boyung

20:05

@BenBrocka - since you're a moderator that clearly looked at this question, care to tell me how you think this is a valid question for this site? ux.stackexchange.com/questions/25076/…

Ben Brocka

@CharlesBoyung Was hoping it would get more off-topic votes, but 2 + me is enough. Wasn't sure since it had 3 answers when I hit it

Charles Boyung

@BenBrocka Thanks. I was just curious about your opinion on it. I was trying to find a UX question in there and I just couldn't find one. And the answers all seemed to answer completely different questions, so I don't think it was overly clear either.

Ben Brocka

0

Q: Facebook sign up birthday form field

If you have an age restriction to use your web service should the users be able to input birthday information that is outside the restriction? What are the benefits of including birthday information that is outside the age restriction and is it better user experience to include this? Will it not ...

forms facebook

Is this a dupe? I swear I've heard this one before with the selecting dates out of a valid range

Charles Boyung

4

Q: Should I allow users to select a valid but disqualifying option?

I'm working on an application form where a user must be 18 years or older to apply. Should users be able to select years that would equate to them being younger than 18 or should I remove them from the select list (I know a free form input would be easier, but for this question assume it's a fix...

forms

Looks to be about the same thing

Of course, the one you posted is actually asking several different questions.

Ben Brocka

@CharlesBoyung that's the one

That seems to be the heart of the new question, the extra questions are mostly just begging for extra explanation (which IMO should be expected of all answers)

Charles Boyung

20:17

True

Ben Brocka

20:41

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Q: What should the default selected action be for destructive actions in a dialog?

When a user is about to perform a destructive action that cannot be undone, what should the default selected option be on the confirmation/warning dialog box? In this example, the user is about to perform an action that merges all his/her libraries into one: Example 1: Default selected action ...

usability user-interaction conventions heuristics error-prevention

I thought this one was a dupe, couldn't find one and wound up answering it. I do have two very related answers though

JonW

21:26

Um... reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/z1c9z/…

Ben Brocka

504'd

JonW

It's legit.

JonW

21:42

Haha - barackobama.com/reddit

Ben Brocka

lol. I love the meme image, even with Impact font

JonW

When I could get onto the AMA the top rated question was a post from shitty watercolor.

Rahul

22:34

Holy jesus Obama is so awesome

Rahul

23:42

Damnit Sony

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