Raiders of the Lost Downboat - 2019-08-05

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2:47 AM

@Kulfy according to the Turnkey Linux website it's based on Debian, not even on Ubuntu

[ Natty | Sentinel ] command-line How to use sort on an awk print command? By: Fei Wang 4.0;

My last message should have linked to this page

@Natty fp

@Natty tp

The one I just replied to is a me too post. I left a comment suggesting the author should post a new question, but I wonder if we should close the question it's currently posted on given that OP reinstalled... the question has some interesting details but the behaviour mentioned seems buggy...

3:29 AM

[ Natty | Sentinel ] snap How to configure the docker snap to accept a private registry certificate? By: gt4431b 4.0;

3:45 AM

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Invalidated the previous feedback on askubuntu.com/a/1163445

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5:21 AM

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5:45 AM

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6:10 AM

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6:26 AM

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7:00 AM

[ Natty | Sentinel ] dual-boot Delete option is grayed out in disk management (Windows 10) for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS partition By: PonJar 3.5;

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body, link following arrow in body (197): How to Recover Exchange Database? by diana2019 on askubuntu.com

7:23 AM

@Natty fp

@Natty tp

Invalidated the previous feedback on askubuntu.com/a/1163475

@karel That post is not only an answer, it's the correct answer.

@Natty tp

@Natty report askubuntu.com/a/1163432/22949

[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; No Code Block; One Line only; Low Rep; 2.5;

@Natty tp

@Natty report askubuntu.com/a/1163433/22949

7:32 AM

[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; No Code Block; One Line only; Contains Whitelisted Word - will work; Low Rep; Unregistered User; 2.5;

@Natty tp

@Natty fp

Invalidated the previous feedback on askubuntu.com/a/1163445

@Natty tp

@Natty report askubuntu.com/a/1163464/22949

[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; No Code Block; Low Rep; Unregistered User; 2.5;

@EliahKagan There's no harm done beyond this chatroom because my response to the comment in chat was wrong, however I neither flagged nor delete voted that answer.

7:44 AM

I'm not worried.

I mainly pinged you because I plan to request that someone else review that item and provide their own feedback to Natty (probably when Zanna or Kulfy come in). I didn't want to do that without letting you know, since it could look like I was trying to go behind your back. I think that's better than me attempting to provide my own feedback again. (I don't know if Natty allows someone who has already provided feedback to do so again or to revise their feedback.)

7:58 AM

I'm not totally sure what should happen to the question, though. I prefer it be open because what the OP is seeing is something I think users are likely to see as they prepare to install Ubuntu. (In preparation to install Ubuntu, Windows users may use the Disk Management MMC snap-in to inspect or resize partitions or convert them to "basic" disks.)

@Natty fp

Invalidated the previous feedback on askubuntu.com/a/1163475

So does Natty just go with whatever it last hears? :)

seems so XD

Unrelatedly, I don't plan to vote on this post either way, but does running apt install -f actually fix problems that result from unsatisfied Pre-Depends relationships? I think that actually prevents the package from being installed in the first place.

(I'm asking because, though I don't plan to vote, I might comment on the answer. The question looks like it's soon to be deleted, which I personally wouldn't do within the first 48 hours, though the chances that it'll be edited to have anything to do with Ubuntu are quite slim, so I don't think it's actually wrong to delete it at this point.)

@Zanna Should the answer be expanded to refer to specific features of the Disk Management user interface? I'm unsure.

8:11 AM

dupe

VTC'd

@Kulfy Based on the OP's answer, I think we should dupe it to something about replacing the suffix.

There are two unclear close votes on that question, one of them mine, but if three other people VTC it as a dupe, it'll go that way. I'm not sure what's the best we have for replacing suffixes, though.

@EliahKagan seems I don't actually know in exactly what state situations apt install -f will help :S

@EliahKagan seems OK as it is... would that really help?

@Zanna I might help reduce the need to see the details of the image. But maybe an edit to the question would be a better way to achieve that.

@EliahKagan Now it's got 3 unclear close votes. The best you can do is link to a duplicate question in a comment and I'll CV it as a dupe of that question, but it will still get CV'd as unclear.

Okay.

So, speaking of the OP's answer... what is going on with

base=`echo "${file%.*}"`

?

That does not seem like a situation where command substitution is warranted.

8:26 AM

3196

A: Extract filename and extension in Bash

First, get file name without the path: filename=$(basename -- "$fullfile") extension="${filename##*.}" filename="${filename%.*}" Alternatively, you can focus on the last '/' of the path instead of the '.' which should work even if you have unpredictable file extensions: filename="${fullfile##...

@EliahKagan I don't think if we have something exactly like that on the site.

@Zanna I think it's more a question of how dpkg behaves. Does anything change when a pre-dependency is unsatisfied? Is there anything for apt install -f to fix in that situation?

@Kulfy Right, they can use something like filename="${filename%.*}". They don't need to pass it as an argument to echo and then capture the output.

@Kulfy That's added to my favorites now.

@Kulfy Okay. I'll search some more before posting.

@EliahKagan This tries to fetch dependencies from the official repositories or PPAs added. If apt is unable to do it, it may suggest removing the package.

@EliahKagan May be they need "an interactive" kinda thing.

@Kulfy Right, but if dpkg failed to install the package because a Pre-Depends relationship was unsatisfied, I don't think any state was modified.

8:31 AM

13 hours ago, by Kulfy

Is it really a dupe?

Suggestions? Since IMO the target installs in the same HDD and this asks for installation on separate HDD

@EliahKagan Yeah and that may require explicitly removing the package.

I don't follow. What package? Something that was already installed before the user ran dpkg?

@EliahKagan The package whose dependency isn't satisfied.

Unlike unsatisfied Depends relationships, I don't think dpkg actually installs anything when it fails due to an unsatisfied Pre-Depends relationship. I think there is nothing to uninstall in that case. I think the state of the package manager is entirely unmodified in that situation.

AFAIK dpkg doesn't do anything on its own. It just installs debian packages. While APT is responsible for trying to satisfy the dependencies. I think.

dpkg knows about dependencies, it just doesn't satisfy them itself, except in the limited sense that (I believe) it may adjust the order in which it installed packages.

debian.org/doc/debian-policy/…

> This field is like Depends, except that it also forces dpkg to complete installation of the packages named before even starting the installation of the package which declares the pre-dependency, as follows:

(for Pre-Depends)

But I'm not confident that there is no situation where apt install -f has an effect after dpkg fails reporting a pre-dependency problem. I just don't see how that could happen. I don't want to comment on the post without being more sure.

Relating somewhat to that suffix-replacement question, can this question (or at least its answers) be salvaged? That was a case where a good answer that gave advice that applied to Ubuntu and some other OSes didn't apply (or didn't apply nearly as directly) to the OS the OP turned out to be using, CentOS, and the question was closed as off-topic.

This is because rename in CentOS is the command from util-linux (what's called rename.ul in Ubuntu), but the answer assumed (quite reasonably for Ubuntu) that rename was a Perl rename command (i.e., prename or file-rename).

@Kulfy I'm not sure. Does Ubuntu's installer still require that users pick "Something else" to install Ubuntu on a separate hard drive from that of an existing system, without touching the existing system. That seems like the sort of thing that would have become automatically doable, given progressive improvements in Ubiquity, but I am not at all sure.

@EliahKagan Maybe its answers could be merged into some other question, if one is found?

8:47 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching product name in body, pattern-matching product name in title, potentially bad keyword in body, +1 more (395): Peak X Keto : Natural Weight Loss Formula For Desirable by PeakXKeto1 on askubuntu.com

@karel @EliahKagan @Zanna Let's kick it out of the queue. Chances of getting closed as unclear would be less.

I vaguely recall that this was discussed in the past, though, when the question was new and migration was even an option, and that maybe people didn't want to do anything (migration or otherwise) with it after it was closed.

@EliahKagan This makes sense.

@EliahKagan I think it does.

@Kulfy I begrudgingly admit that if it's not a dupe it should be answered, and I haven't found anything to dupe it to, so I agree.

I've retracted my own unclear vote on it. That should help! :)

Actually, it can be closed as a dupe now, because it only has two close votes.

@Kulfy Then maybe the dupe closure is correct... But is your concern that the answers on the dupe target don't actually make clear how to do the manual partitioning for this specific case?

If they don't then it should be reopened (or if another question has the answers then it could be added to the dupe banner maybe).

@EliahKagan We have Is there a way to quickly change all the file extensions of all files in a folder? but that's for when the files all have the same suffix already and that suffix is known.

@EliahKagan Yeah indeed.

9:03 AM

@EliahKagan that seems like the only good fate for them :/

Is it reasonable to edit this quite upvoted answer to escape the first . in each command with a backslash? I'm unsure. Those specific commands actually work fine and never rename too much, because they're only passed filenames with a literal . in that position, but I think people who read it may write / be writing other rename commands where they intend an unescaped . in their regex to match only a literal ..

@Zanna Is it justified to merge any of the answers besides the top-voted one? If not, then a merge is perhaps unjustified.

@Kulfy I think you're right that we may not have a target for Bulk change file extensions. Typically people know what suffix they want to replace or only want to replace suffixes that match some non-universal pattern. What the OP is requesting is usually a bad idea and the ultimate goal is nebulous, which is why I'd love to close it as a duplicate of a question without those shortcomings... but that may also be why I'm having such trouble finding one.

I don't think it's a duplicate of Multiple File Extension Rename with single command because that question is specifically about replacing suffixes that have a very specific pattern (zip followed by numerals), rather than all possible suffixes that start with . and contain no subsequent . character.

@Kulfy I looked over the answers and I might be missing something but I think you're right the current dupe closure for How to Install Ubuntu on separate hard drive in a dual boot? to How to use manual partitioning during installation? is not correct. I've voted to reopen it successfully before though, so I cannot do so again.

It occurs to me that the status would become correct if it were merged and a link to the answer were added in the target question together with the other links about major sub-cases. Is that your intention @Zanna?

Actually wait a minute.

What does the OP mean by "separate hard drive" in the title? Are they using that term correctly?

Because they refer to a "partition" in the body. I'm guessing they just mean they already have a partition using all the available space on that drive and the title is correct. But can this be confirmed?

9:19 AM

I was carried away by Mitch's answer :P

I think Mitch's interpretation is correct.

I was just going over it one more time based on my thought that a merge might be appropriate. It's especially important to be sure about merges because they're rarely reversed (I think jokerdino has told me that reversing a merge requires the assistance of a Stack Exchange employee). I think I'm just being overly paranoid and that you are correct about its meaning and that the current closure is not correct. :)

So anyway, I think reopening or requesting a merge would be fine. Since the questions differ in meaning, though, I suspect a moderator would not do the merge based on the information so far. It might be better to take it to meta if a merge is desired. Or it could instead be un-duped or have another "original" added to the dupe banner.

Well in this particular case, body isn't going with title :/

Should this comment of mine be an answer? I think that if that's the answer then the question may be off-topic. I voted to close the question as unclear but I'll retract my vote if it turns out that's wrong (or if the OP edits with information that makes it no longer unclear).

@EliahKagan when people suggest merging, I usually object to it. I don't know of anywhere to merge these answers (maybe I am not reading this chat carefully enough) so I don't have a solution

@EliahKagan I voted to close as unclear... perhaps they want to know why they get that error, but that's trivial

9:34 AM

@Zanna It's in regard to that closure. I might be missing something, but I don't think it's correct, at least not without further action. I had been wondering if you had intended a merge, so you've fully answered my question. But your further input would of course be welcome as well! As one of the close voters, do you think the closure should stand?

@Zanna Should it be duped to a question about what ".bin" files are? (Answer: "Anything! Here's how to find out...") I think we actually have something for that.

@EliahKagan I think I probably voted to close that question as unclear, but I've voted to reopen it since I agree it's not a good dupe

Oh. Okay.

I don't know what we're going to do with it after that :/

I can't vote to reopen it because I had successfully voted to reopen it previously. But I would VTRO it if I could.

@Zanna Neither do I.

but that's ok

9:38 AM

@EliahKagan Well, that .bin question is closed now. Also, all the .bin questions I could easily find were about specific situations. Some were about installation but the answers weren't "it's not a program" so I don't think it's a dupe or even that we necessarily have anything particularly germane to link to in a comment.

hmm

maybe they will edit

I would downvote the question but I'm afraid people will cast premature delete votes if it gets to -3, as I have sometimes observed happening. This is a case where deletion in the 48 hour window is not likely to be reasonable because they very well may improve the question by editing.

agreed

I mean, I very likely will downvote it if/when I see it again later, but I'm holding off.

→ 7 messages moved to Island of castaway thoughts

I thought two people here had voted to reopen How to Install Ubuntu on separate hard drive in a dual boot? but it has just one reopen vote.

Anyway, should that get a comment explaining the effort to reopen?

9:53 AM

it's definitely my vote

@Kulfy Do you no longer think it should be reopened, perhaps because of the possible disagreement between the body and the title? I was worried about that for a second, but I don't think it's a problem. I think they have a partition on the separate drive. It's common in Windows to say things like "the E: drive" even though it's really a partition, including to refer to the drive as a whole (when E: is the only or major volume on the drive).

I think you were right and it should be reopened.

I have commented

but maybe it is not a good comment

I think it's better than no comment. Maybe edit to identify the confusion (or not mention it)?

thanks

Thanks for editing. :)

9:59 AM

:)

@EliahKagan Do you think that an edit should be made to match title with body and make Mitch's answer applicable?

@Zanna Are you sure? xD

@Kulfy I don't know.

@Kulfy oh... well it tells me that I have already voted to reopen the question

so maybe that happened in the past :(

@EliahKagan Maybe:

> Now I want to install Ubuntu on my E: drive, which contains only an unused partition.

I don't know if such an edit can really be justified.

@Zanna Post Reopened by David Foerster, karel, Zanna, Eliah Kagan, Eric Carvalho occurred Sep 22 '17 at 21:06

10:04 AM

@Zanna Oh, yeah. It was in the past! Same as with my reopen vote.

sorry @Kulfy

@Kulfy I'm sorry I ever doubted you! :) :) :)

No need to be sorry @Zanna @EliahKagan

haha sorry for putting you in this position @EliahKagan

I should stop trying to do more that one thing at a time

back later :/

@Zanna Well, that's not the doubt to which I was referring.

I had been concerned that I'd inadvertently convinced Kulfy that it might be a dupe, based on the inconsistency. This was not the case. That overlaps with but is largely separate from the issue of your vote.

10:22 AM

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Q: Dual Booting win 10 and Ubuntu 18.04 on two separate physical ssds

I have gotten as far as to create the bootable usb, booting into that bootable usb and getting to the install options however i quit because I had some concerns. I currently have a Samsung 850 evo 1tb that has win 10ninstalled. I want to dual boot with Ubuntu 18.04 by installing it on a brand ne...

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Q: How to Install Ubuntu on separate hard drive in a dual boot?

I have already installed Windows 7 on C: drive. Now I want to install Ubuntu on E: drive which is a free partition. How do I proceed?

dual-boot system-installation

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Q: How to Dual Boot Windows 10 & Ubuntu 15.04 Both On Separate Drives?

Last night I attempted to install Ubuntu to my secondary hard drive and dual boot Windows 10. It completely borked everything. Grub screwed me over. I think my grub is still messed up and I need to fix it. How would I go about install Ubuntu 15.04 to a secondary internal hard drive while still be...

dual-boot grub2

Similar questions?

10:34 AM

Spam

It's link spam, even though the URL isn't linkified. Its sole purpose is to advertise the website it mentions.

10:49 AM

(taken care of)

Duplicate accounts? See profile of questioner and answerer askubuntu.com/questions/1162659

Yeah. It seems unintentional.

I'm not reporting it since it ain't doing serial voting.

One account posted an answer on the other which accepted it, which I don't think is allowed, but I suspect it's unintentional.

Oh I remember once the account was banned from asking questions since they weren't well received and they created another account to ask.

10:57 AM

Oh.

But that wouldn't usually work, because SE has mechanisms in place to prevent it which are usually effective.

Anyway, they shouldn't be posting answers with one account to questions asked with the other, especially if they know that's what they're doing. I think a moderator should probably take a look at the situation, even though I doubt any drastic action is warranted. Do you have information about the original situation that gave rise to their creation of the second account?

as far as I remember they posted something on meta. Let me find that.

Thanks.

[ Natty | Sentinel ] lock-screen Keyboard not responding after suspend By: Pepe Lebuntu 4.0;

It seems to be deleted. I can't find it

@Natty tp

Was it a meta question posted from one of that user's accounts?

11:03 AM

Yeah. It was like why they are banned from asking questions

I looked around but I couldn't find it. (I can't search deleted posts except my own.) Normally I'd comment telling the user how to request that their accounts be merged but if they're intentionally using separate accounts in a way that the accounts interact, that's somewhat different. Not remembering (or maybe not having seen) those meta posts, I don't have much to go on for a custom flag. I don't know if you feel like raising one.

@Natty report askubuntu.com/a/1163503/22949

@EliahKagan Post already reported

11:27 AM

@karel Good catch. (Two more reopen votes needed.)

11:39 AM

unclear

Mods' flag queue doesn't show line breaks in posts?!

1 hour later…

12:59 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body (99): Certificate Validation Failure (Cisco) by nikit.nor on askubuntu.com

1:14 PM

@EliahKagan done

@EliahKagan ouch

I guess the comment is no longer needed, since the other question is no longer mentioned.

upvoted the comment and flagged it for deletion haha

At the same time? :)

yeah XD

@Natty report askubuntu.com/a/1163557/22949

1:28 PM

[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; No Code Block; Low Rep; Unregistered User; 3.0;

How are we supposed to flag posts that consist of LMGTFY links? I don't think the advice to write a custom mod flag really makes sense. It may have made sense back when the norm that they were bad wasn't established.

Just NAA? Is this the one situation where VLQ is the best choice? Rude/abusive?

The post is on another SE site, but I figured you might just know.

Based on this feedback, I guess NAA is considered best.

Yeah I would flag them as NAA, but maybe we should make a case on meta for the otherwise redundant VLQ flag XD

1:48 PM

The pending edit here is good, and also I suspect that might be a duplicate of something.

They can predownload the files, or they can edit their hosts file.

approved the edit, but not sure about a dupe target

This answer by @Videonauth seems relevant.

I've commented.

Did my edit on this question make it clear enough to answer?

2:08 PM

@EliahKagan yeah age old song of failure and defeat, and inability of not being able to fix it even they know where the problems are, I still get emails about that bug report which continues meanwhile from 16.10 till 19.04 being affected

[ Natty | Sentinel ] 16.04 Permission denied when running Docker after installing it as a Snap By: sidk 3.5;

@Natty tp

@EliahKagan Have you reported then?

@Videonauth Does the workaround in your answer not work for them?

@EliahKagan yes

all the way through

2:18 PM

@Kulfy I have not taken any action relating to that, no. I was wondering you felt like raising a custom mod flag, since I think you have more knowledge of the situation than I have. If for whatever reason you don't want to do that, then I'll try to look into it some more at some point.

I use it since 16.10 and im nw at 18.04 so for that range i can safely confirm that it works

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Q: When is it right to report multiple accounts?

There's a user, anirudha, who has a rather checkered history of creating alternate accounts, whether for sock-puppeting or skirting suspensions. He's now created a new account, anirudha gupta. As always, the account looks to be very clearly his, down to the same avatar, same website, etc. In t...

discussion support moderation sock-puppets multiple-accounts

I'll try to keep an eye on that user. If I see something suspicious, I'll surely report it.

The issue is that they posted an answer to their question and accepted it. This gains 15 rep on one account and 2 on the other. In contrast, a self-accept does not gain rep. I don't think they're necessarily trying to do anything wrong, but the way they're using their two account is not something we allow. (We do allow multiple accounts, but not when they interact like that.)

Does accepting automatically upvotes the answer if the questioner has privileges to do so?

No.

2:27 PM

OK.

I'm not sure if the upvote is also done by the other account. If it's done like that, reputation sums to 25.

And they very well may be completely unaware that having their accounts interact is disapproved of. I agree with what you said earlier about how the accounts don't seem to exist for the purpose of voting for one another.

@Kulfy Yes. The upvote might be from someone else, though.

@Natty report askubuntu.com/a/1163505/22949

[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; No Code Block; Low Rep; 2.0;

^^^ Super-sketchy looking, but not necessarily spam. I flagged NAA and voted to delete.

@EliahKagan I'll try to monitor the activities that I can. If I see irregularities in voting or something suspicious, I'll report it.

Okay.

2:47 PM

@EliahKagan Well out of 6 answers, 3 are from this account, 2 are CW and 1 is self-answered. Therefore, 5 out of answers on the questions from other account.

Also after looking at the reputation history it seems they accepted and upvoted too since time stamp of both are same.

Oh.

Something suspicious happened on Feb 20. See reputation changes.

askubuntu.com/users/889789/prabesh-bhattarai?tab=reputation

askubuntu.com/users/915239/…

Also, only the question was upvoted but Terrance's answer wasn't.

I'm feeling like a cop :P

May be I should report.

How much does that tell us? I sometimes upvote questions that have answers without upvoting an answer.

And I often upvote questions that have only my answer, which I cannot upvote.

Is it possible that the accounts got more votes on February 20th because the user was more active, with both accounts, on that day?

@EliahKagan Yeah but I'm trying to observe some common patterns

@EliahKagan Possibly.

@Kulfy Yes, I agree with this investigative approach.

2:57 PM

Just asking, is this on-topic on Downboat?

@Kulfy I'm just not sure we really know anything besides that one account has an accepted answer on a question by the other account and (based on your recollection of since-deleted Ask Ubuntu Meta content) that the user deliberately made a second account (sometimes people use multiple accounts by accident and don't really notice or don't give it much mind).

@Kulfy Why wouldn't it be?

Seems dupe, they're just asking how to install (and the procedure works the same in Lubuntu as in vanilla Ubuntu).

@EliahKagan Yeah. Makes sense. Actually I was planning to report and request to merge those accounts like one of our one of our mod candidate did.

@EliahKagan I thought we discuss only posts on downboat.

Oh. Well I think @Zanna should weigh in; she has a stronger sense of how the room is based used. But from my perspective we are looking at posts--posts by those user accounts. More broadly, I think anything moderation-related (in the broad sense of the term "moderation") and that involves or otherwise applies to Ask Ubuntu is considered on-topic here.

Of course that doesn't mean it needs to be discussed here rather than elsewhere. Although some moderators sometimes participate here and it's been mentioned a number of times on Ask Ubuntu Meta, I this room is not an official go-to resource (except for the Trello-coordinated cleanup project mentioned in the room description).

Also, everything on-topic in the Downboat is also on-topic in AUGR. (The reverse does not hold.) Though if we just used AUGR for all this then people would ask us to make a new room. :)

In particular, the bots especially would most likely not be wanted there. AUGR was one of the rooms Smoke Detector used to report to, but people didn't want it there because all the messages and deleted messages were confusing newcomers and making the place look like a wasteland. (I think more spam got through to the site back then than now.)

3:12 PM

@EliahKagan Yeah I saw that in a transcript.

I'm not sure if I should report and ask a mod to merge those accounts :|

You're certainly not obligated to do so.

I think you may be the best person to do so, though, due to your memory of the reason they had originally created the second account.

Without the interaction of the accounts, I think there would not be a reason to request that mods investigate.

But the accounts did interact, including one accepting a (non-CW) answer by the other. They shouldn't be doing that. But I don't think we have reason to think malice is involved. Especially since they're deliberately using multiple accounts, I think it's probably best to ask moderators to look into it. That's my opinion.

@EliahKagan With all that said, I think it would be strange if investigating targeted voting were to become a major use of this room. It would suggest that Stack Exchange employees should look into the way that's handled in a more general way that even moderators probably can't do. But I don't think there's anything wrong with those conversations. The concerns that have been raised here are based in fact and are in good faith, after all.

Even if the user we were discussing were to come in here in five minutes and ask about it, I wouldn't feel any need to backpedal or apologize or even explain anything (though if they requested an explanation I'd give one). That's not a sure-fire indicator of what conversations are productive, but it's a useful heuristic.

I agree with everything @EliahKagan said about the scope of this room @Kulfy and sure dodgy voting seems totally on topic as a moderation issue

Or misuse of multiple accounts

On the more general topic I touched on there... I'm very glad this room is public. Not only does that attract users who may want to participate, but it also provides accountability, which I think is extremely important. Actions that require significant rep to perform, including post deletion, are often discussed here and then performed.

It's very important that people be able to audit that, and I think it's important that those people not be limited to moderators or even people with accounts on the site. This transparency is essential to my comfort in using this room the way I do.

@Zanna Speaking of multiple accounts and also the uses of this room... if you end up going forward with making a bot, some account will have to run the bot. IIRC the mostly widely suggested way for a separate account that will be used for a chat bot to gain reputation is in edits. Obviously whoever is operating the account must not review those edits... but would it be best for no one who is regularly involved in this room to do so?

I'm not suggesting that I could demand that anyone (other than whoever uses the account) not review things. Instead I'm sort of thinking aloud about what is best.

blog.sobotics.org/2018/05/…

The connection to tag wikis I'd obliquely mentioned earlier is that many AU tag wikis need work, so maybe a good way to gain rep for a 2nd account would be tag wiki edits. I do not advocate this unless there is a specific use for the second account, but an additional bot would create this need. It sounds like I am speaking euphemistically and suggesting that @Zanna do all this work, but although I do often say "Do you want to write an answer..." to Zanna, that is not my intention this time. :)

Is Bash one-liner to check if version is >= actually too broad?

> Although this question is specific to bash version number, with modification the answers could apply to other applications such as LibreOffice, Python, systemd, kernel, etc. which might provide different functionality based on version number.

(emphasis mine)

I don't think the question surmising that answers may apply more broadly makes the question too broad. If anything, the question could be edited to weaken that statement (changing "could apply" to "might apply," perhaps). Am I missing something?

Btw sorry about the multi-ping text wall.

@EliahKagan Oh, I see:

> Great answers have been posted for BASH version checking ONLY. I'm hoping for a robust script that works for more than bash. Perhaps "--version" can be universally appended after the program name in the script? Does the version number compare properly? ie. A simple string test "4.9.10 > 4.11.1" probably returns true in bash but it should be false.

Yeah, I guess that should be at least two separate questions, then.

3:43 PM

@EliahKagan yeahhh gotta be accountable. <3

@EliahKagan editing tag wikis is an awesome idea

I got so much out of going for the Research Assistant badge

I was really proud that I achieved that before I got privileges to edit tag wikis

@EliahKagan those are always a good thing :D

Thought pretty rare, there were a few occasions in the past when muru or someone else came here to point out suspicious voting and we investigated it and raised flags. But yeah I wouldn't like that to become the main activity of the room!

4:11 PM

I gave Approve reviews for these tag wiki edits:

askubuntu.com/review/suggested-edits/968083

askubuntu.com/review/suggested-edits/968082

But do we actually need the sgx tag?

@EliahKagan May be

@Zanna This is the second time from my side I guess.

I think you should feel free to continue raising those issues. I just think that if they start popping up a lot then maybe the system isn't working well enough to detect it in most cases.

NAA

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4:19 PM

@EliahKagan Well these things are very very rare.

spam

Not really a spam. Actually NPTEL is an educational site owned by the premier institutes of India. They might be facing issues in logging in using gmail.

Hmm... I guess I was fooled by the username being the same as the label they used for the link.

I'll retract and replace with NAA.

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Thanks.

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Sometimes I wonder that if Thomas asked this question in today's scenario, it would have been closed as POB or too broad

4:30 PM

@EliahKagan doesn't seem very Ubuntu-y

@Kulfy It might be, though I'd consider that a wrong closure.

Yeah, I think that's a good question for this site

I mean, it's certainly not POB. There are specific documented reasons that new versions of software that provide new features are not usually provided in official Ubuntu repositories as updates to stable releases of Ubuntu.

It's not really POB at all

Oops

Is that "oops" because if you agree with me too much then it will go to my head? :)

4:37 PM

Haha no because I hit send at the same time as your message appeared and got Eliah'd, I.e. it became obvious that I'm too lazy to explain stuff properly

Haha.

In contrast XD

Full of links

@EliahKagan I haven't read those documents.

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@Kulfy The main relevant general policy (of those specific to Ubuntu) is StableReleaseUpdates which is linked to in Bruno Pereira's answer. Each Ubuntu release also announces and sticks to feature freezes, which that answers discusses and links to an example of.

4:41 PM

dupe

@EliahKagan I thought you were talking about some other document :P

Nope.

Not that I was thinking of, anyway.

@EliahKagan That answer has been edited to narrow it to be specifically about bash, and the stuff about attempting to guess the version of most programs is being posted in a new question. Check AUGR for details, where there is a recent (or current) discussion. I've voted to reopen it.

Too lazy or lacking skills/knowledge. But there are three great things about someone explaining stuff better than me which are 1) I get to read the better explanation and enjoy that 2) I get to relax because someone else is doing my work and 3) it makes me at least want to try harder and thus raises the standard for us all

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^^ Not Spam but surely NAA

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4:55 PM

Not OT

Yeah, that should just have an answer about (re)installing the packages mentioned in comments.

5:31 PM

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6:48 PM

@EliahKagan I both edited this question and posted a comment under the OP's self-answer explaining why I think that the question is not unclear. Although this is not a direct reply to your comment it is still relevant to reviewers.

@karel Thanks. I see also that the OP has expanded their answer with some specific details. I've retracted my close vote (and also removed my comment, which I think is no longer as useful as it was originally).

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