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it's a dupe, but I missed the better dupe-target initially. Please add link from my second comment to the target.
dupe, OP's self-answer confirms
dupe, OP's self-answer confirms
no-repro as per OP's self-answer
OT, hardware problem (low motherboard battery)
however, keeping OP's self-answer would've been okay imo
 
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OT no-repro
 
5:53 AM
dupe, please add the link from my comment to the target (I added the one from the comment above)
 
OT no-repro The question depends on a link which is broken.
@pomsky VTC from the link in your comment.
 
6:15 AM
OT Mint
OT 14.04
 
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Invalidated the previous feedback on askubuntu.com/a/1190251
 
It was intended as an answer. I'll edit it.
 
 
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9:53 AM
I could be missing something but this suggested edit does not strike me as an improvement.
 
@EliahKagan Post already reported
 
^^ no longer needed - it advises the author of that VLQ answer to post it as a comment, which would not be better.
 
@EliahKagan Post already reported
 
no longer needed (another wrong canned comment)
 
@EliahKagan Post already registered as True Positive
 
10:01 AM
no longer needed - very wrong canned comment, since the post really is a useful (or at least understandable) answer
 
@EliahKagan Post already registered as True Positive
 
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not off-topic, it's about a C program that uses system to run commands with a shell (with shell-specific behavior).
dupe, though maybe it would be better to close it as too broad (which also applies).
 
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12:10 PM
not too broad, but likely a duplicate; arguably unclear, though I don't think so
 
In this question, the highest-voted answer seems to be a duplicate of the second-highest. Should any of these be flagged or voted to close?
 
I'm not sure I fully understand your question. It is not possible to close (or to vote to close) an answer.
But I don't think either of those answers should be flagged or deleted.
In general we have a very high tolerance for similar answers that are posted within a short time of one another (except when it is clear that one copies from the other and either doesn't attribute the copy or doesn't provide anything of value). This happens with some frequency; people work on answers at the same time and submit them often without noticing the other new answer. Except when such answers cause harm, I don't recommend attempting to get rid of them.
 
Yeah, right, you can't vote to close it. Aren't both answers essentially the same?
 
There's a meta post about this, though I think it's fairly old. I'll try to find it.
 
No need, I have read that post.
 
12:23 PM
Ah, okay.
 
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In that question, the newer answer adds significant value compared to the slightly older answer.
 
It just seemed to me that the time separation between the answers would be enough for someone to notice that another user has already answered. It's not that they were answered on the same minute or so.
 
Well, in this particular case, I think it would have been fine no matter how long much separation there was.
Because the newer answer adds significant value compared to the older answer.
It would have been acceptable for that to have been added as an edit, but I don't think that's the only acceptable way for it to have been done. And an edit might even have been rejected.
To delete the older answer in this case would just be to delete an original answer because it was good but not quite as good as a later, better answer. As far as I know, we never do that.
(unrelated) I don't think this question is a duplicate -- for the reason its OP gave.
no longer needed (IIRC we used to have "not constructive" for comments like that)
@EliahKagan * no matter how long of a separation
 
Ok, I see. Thanks. Another question on the same post: Should the links for Ubuntu Software Center be edited, because they no longer work?
 
12:28 PM
Yes.
Well, I want to be careful.
Software Center links that are in posts to help people more efficiently install software but that are broken now should definitely be edited.
 
Should they be removed entirely or be redirected if possible (I am not sure which would be the correct link now)?
 
I think either approach is acceptable and preferable to not editing them.
 
Do you know what is the state of one-click installers for recent Ubuntu versions? I thought that they are not offered anymore, but I am not 100% sure.
 
I don't. If you've heard anything about this recently (and perhaps even if you haven't) then you probably know more about that than I do.
I don't know how to trigger installation through a URL handler these days. I thought there is a way to do it that works. That belief of mine is weak and not based on much. Anyway, it probably wouldn't work for everyone (because people use different desktop environments and have different browser settings).
If you can find out how to do that, it might be the best way, but I also think it is okay to remove them or to replace them with links to some official or otherwise useful and reliable source with information about the packages.
When doing that, one should take care to ensure one is not causing a post to make a new, wrong claim to the effect that clicking the link will install the package. But usually Software Center links are just the name of the package made into a link--sometimes with an associated image--so no such confusion would arise if it were changed merely to point somewhere like a packages.ubuntu.com page for the package.
 
12:41 PM
Yeah, I can't find something similar. So, I think that removing the links is the best option.
 
@EliahKagan used edit hammer
 
@Zanna Should something like that comment be edited into it as well?
It was wrong advice in the first place because suggestions one has doubts about should not be posted as comments instead of answer. But also my edit makes it obsolete as applied to the form and expressed intent of the post.
 
I am finding this site very frustrating - askubuntu.com/questions/1190310/… - I am just trying to be helpful and then people jump all over me. It said, "This should be a comment not an answer but I can't post a comment" then they reply with that and down vote me.
I keep asking questions and people don't even attempt answers or try point me in the right direction.
It is very frustrating.
 
1:01 PM
@ITGremlin Hi. I don't think I know about (or, even if I have participated in, I don't recall specifically) other posts where things have happened that you have found frustrating. But in this case that comment was wrong, and I think it was right for you to post an answer. (I don't know if the person who commented is the same person who downvoted, though.)
If I correctly understand your post, it really does qualify as an answer--it is recommending a specific course of action intended to solve the problem. That's why I edited. I hope my edit will keep your answer from being wrongly deleted. But you should feel free to edit it further if you don't like the wording I used in my edit.
@ITGremlin I don't know what you're referring to specifically, but that sounds bad. (I am not assuming that I have not myself done things that have been harmful to you, or failed to recognize opportunities to be helpful. I'm just acknowledging that what you are describing, whether it was from me or other people, sounds unhelpful.)
I think the best I can do, in terms of generally pointing you in the right direction about site policy, is to recommend the tour followed by the help. But you may already have read those. And this is not specifically in relation to any question you've asked or anything. Those are just generally the best resources (besides Ask Ubuntu Meta) for information about how it is recommended to use the site.
 
@EliahKagan I think I would leave off doing that, in case the question gets closed. Then would be a good time to edit something like that in. It ought to be clear enough now that it isn't a dupe of that. But, especially if you think it's not clear enough, editing it now would also be fine...
 
I'll wait.
 
@ITGremlin sorry to hear that
 
1:17 PM
I'm not sure what the best thing is to do here. It's a radical change (and I did submit a reject review of it). But the new claims it introduces are correct, and it is rightly motivated by shortcomings in the post.
It might be misread as saying rm -r doesn't delete hidden files found through recursive traversal. Also, its correctness depends on default shell options: with dotglob in Bash, it would no longer be correct. Should the edit suggestion be rejected with a custom message advising to post a new answer? If so--and perhaps otherwise--then the question should be unprotected to allow that. Should it be accepted? Was I wrong to submit a reject review for it?
 
hmm that edit seems to improve the post rather a lot
 
You might consider accepting (or improving) it then.
It is possible that my review should not be considered correct.
 
but this edit also seems to introduce the need for further expansion as you pointed out... which would make improving it an even more drastic edit... but I don't think the editor should write a new answer as it would be very similar
 
Sounds like an edit review, to include or allude to how there are more details, or perhaps just to de-emphasize the changes without concealing them (i.e., keeping all the information but making the form of the post as it was originally and putting it under the commands rather than over them) would be best. I don't know.
"To remove the files in a directory, use:" (command) "This removes the non-hidden files..."
 
I'll have a go at it
 
1:26 PM
@EliahKagan I should've edited it like that rather than rejecting it, myself.
@Zanna Thanks.
 
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@EliahKagan I am not sure really, but at least the author is definitely active and won't hesitate to roll back if he isn't happy, I trust
 
Looks great, thanks.
 
oh, good :) you're very welcome!
 
1:39 PM
Good comment. Would be better in the answer itself, but maybe not including it there is a deliberate choice intended to limit the answer's length and complexity?
 
I don't know, but if people use *.* with commands (unlike rm) that act on . and .. they might be confused and upset by the result
 
@Zanna The glob *.* does not match the . and .. directories.
ek@Cord:~$ mkdir tmp
ek@Cord:~$ cd tmp
ek@Cord:~/tmp$ file *
*: cannot open `*' (No such file or directory)
ek@Cord:~/tmp$ file *.*
*.*: cannot open `*.*' (No such file or directory)
ek@Cord:~/tmp$ file .*
.:  directory
..: directory
 
oh
nice!
 
1:55 PM
By default, * doesn't match a leading . in a path component. It also doesn't match the sequence of zero characters that immediately precedes a leading . in a path component.
The main reason people write *.* instead of * is that, in DOS, * would only identify entries with no extension. The extension was part of what was stored in the filesystem, separately from the file's basename. In DOS, *.* would identify entries both with and without extensions.
I don't know when that changed but * works fine in cmd.exe (at least on my Windows system) to match filenames with and without dots in them.
But that's why people expect *.* to match all files.
 
@user3140225 Leave it the way it is. Although it was posted later, arguably the screenshot makes the accepted answer easier to understand.
 
@eliah-kagan It is generally. That was just an example.
 
2:12 PM
@karel Ok. I just edited both answers to remove the non-working links
 
@ITGremlin btw, if you type @ and the first few letters of a username in chat, you can complete it with the tab key (or click what pops up). You can also reply to a specific chat message by clicking the little arrow that appears at the right hand side of the message when the pointer is there (on mobile chat you can select the message and tap reply in the options)
 
2:32 PM
@Zanna Thanks. :)
 
most welcome! The reply button is not very discoverable at all.
one friend of mine has even made a gif to show chat newcomers where it is and what to do with it
 
That sounds useful. Do you have a link to it? (Or it?)
 
Whoa, there's a reply button?!
 
lol
 
2:39 PM
I always clicked for the menu on the left and selected "reply to this message"!
 
that button is even less discoverable than I thought hahaha
 
I right click your user name, then cut down the url to the username. >.>
clicked*
 
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"Apache HTTP server" <- I think that might be the wrong term for it. I think it is software than runs on a server, which is installed in a host and then services HTTP requests with content the user can download.
 
2:46 PM
Something has been bothering me about this meta post. I'm not sure what is bothering me, because I also often find some of the treatment received by "homework questions" (or their authors) here objectionable
 
"Apache HTTP service" seems better to me but might a tad on the archaic side.
 
@Zanna Is the meta question bothering you, or its answers?
 
both
 
"I have a requirement to output the size of *.conf files. Does anyone know how to output the files sizes whilst only searching for *.conf?"
 
@ITGremlin Well, "HTTP Server" is officially part of its name.
 
2:48 PM
@EliahKagan We never stop learning :D
 
Yes and it doesn't sit well with me. :P
 
@Zanna I think what bothers me may have something to do with whether or when or how much we are concerned with helping the OP and with other things
 
@Zanna The comment than a system tool related question is not supported here to that question, does seem strange to me.
 
@ITGremlin which comment are you referring to?
 
@ITGremlin In general, the term "server" may refer to software that listens for and handles incoming network connections, or it may refer to a physical or virtual machine, or a container, on which such software is run or intended to be run. This sometimes results in ambiguities, so I think I sympathize with your position. :)
 
2:50 PM
Wrong website to ask this. We are not a coding service nor is coding a focus of askubuntu. "I need to make a script" eh. What you ask reads more like a one-liner with redirects to a file. – Rinzwind
 
@EliahKagan We shouldn't retitle or reword a question based on what the software it asks about should have been officially called, though.
 
" "
 
@ITGremlin that comment also bothers me, though I am not really sure I understand all of what it says
 
For example, finding bloated system log files would fit with that question and be central to administrating Ubuntu.
 
my approach to homework questions is not special, I think. Quite often such questions are too broad and deserve to be closed as such. The particular one mentioned in the meta question looks like it probably isn't too broad and I haven't voted to close it
 
2:52 PM
Yeah, that question doesn't qualify for any close reasons, as far as I can tell.
Also, the first close vote on it was to migrate it to meta!
I don't know what the thought was behind that.
 
It could do with re-wording. I think people are reacting to how it is written rather than the core question in there itself.
 
since such questions show that they are asked by beginners, then a beginner-level answer is appropriate, imho, if the question is actually answerable within the scope of the site
 
@ITGremlin Yes. Well, at least the title ("oneliner which should redirect") is not good. I think at least that can be improved.
 
I feel that as long as the answers are thoroughly explained, there is nothing harmful about answering such questions, even for the OP
assuming that an objection to such questions being asked, and a (wrong) reason for closing them is that it's unhelpful to the OP to give them the answer, since they won't learn anything
 
Can all the comments on that question be moved to chat? There's a lot of comments on that question that aren't about what the question is asking and aren't (at least now) directly useful to figuring anything out about what to do with it.
@Videonauth Indeed! :)
 
2:58 PM
but also, I am not only or even primarily concerned with helping the OP but with making Q&A that are actually useful to many other people.
but such posts usually get objections that are all about the OP, like, how much effort they have made, how they are cheating, how they are abusing the site
 
@Zanna Yes, and in addition to being what you're primarily concerned with, it is also officially what the site is for.
 
so I suppose what bothers me about that question is that it asks us to be kinder to the OP, and not to focus on content
 
That sounds like the basis for a new answer to that meta question.
 
@EliahKagan :)
@EliahKagan thanks! I hoped I might arrive at that point by thinking aloud
maybe I'll find some time to add an answer some time soon
 
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I don't think it's off-topic. The OP was using Ubuntu and they upgraded their system while Pop's PPA were in use. It may fall under too broad since it is asking for performance difference. I'm not sure.
Damn!!! It was closed -_-
 
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