Vedanta and Philosophy

S S

04:14

@KeshavSrinivasan Congratulations!

Rohit Singh Rathore

04:49

@TheDestroyer I can't share reference out of secrecy. But it is true. I know the ways to unlock but I wanted to know the ways which I can publicise.

@TheDestroyer @KeshavSrinivasan I've voted to delete the question. Delete this.

S S

@RohitSinghRathore Which question? Unlocking mantras?

Rohit Singh Rathore

Yes

Delete the question.

S S

But it's still visible.

You may delete it by yourself.

May 8 at 3:04, by Sree Charan

@RohitSinghRathore Only we should have control on our own posts. If moderator is intervened, it is very difficult. Moderator intervention in our posts should be avoided.

@RohitSinghRathore ^^

Rohit Singh Rathore

I think I can't delete it anymore because @KeshavSrinivasan has answered.

S S

It shows like this but you can delete it by urself.

I hope you will not repeat the deletion of answered questions.

Rohit Singh Rathore

04:56

No,

Keshav has answered so can't delete.

S S

Oh! have you flagged the question?

Lakshmi Narayanan

@RohitSinghRathore Did you start with any of the books?

Rohit Singh Rathore

I'm deleting because question is discouraging Mantra chanting, and answer is discouraging Devi Bhagvatam.

@LakshmiNarayanan I'm practicing algorithms nowadays. Will start linear algebra after interview. :)

S S

Did you attend the interview? @RohitSinghRathore

Rohit Singh Rathore

Mantra chanting has many good effects, one shouldn't stop even if they are locked. So I thought I shouldn't have asked.

No @SS yet to come.

S S

05:01

@RohitSinghRathore All the best for the interview!

Rohit Singh Rathore

@TheDestroyer help me to delete the question if possible.

Thanks bro @SS :)

Lakshmi Narayanan

@RohitSinghRathore All the best! I hope you can start soon on LA :)

S S

Flag for moderator intervention @RohitSinghRathore . Explain your reason. Any mod will answer the flag.

Rohit Singh Rathore

@LakshmiNarayanan these videos are very good for intuition.

Essence of linear algebra: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZHQObOWTQDPD3MizzM2xVFitgF8hE_ab

6 mins ago, by Rohit Singh Rathore

I'm deleting because question is discouraging Mantra chanting, and answer is discouraging Devi Bhagvatam.

@SS

Lakshmi Narayanan

@RohitSinghRathore ok, i'll take a look

Rohit Singh Rathore

05:05

Cya, Tata @LakshmiNarayanan @SS :)

Lakshmi Narayanan

bye

Keshav Srinivasan

05:21

@Tezz @RohitSinghRathore @RakeshJoshi @TheDestroyer @Rickross I just posted a question and answer on Kashmiri Shaivism:

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A: What parts of Utpaladeva's Ishwara Pratyabhijna Vivriti are available in English?

Let me start off by posting a useful chart from Isabelle Ratié 2016 paper "In Search of Utpaladeva's Lost Vivriti on the Pratyabhijna Treatise", showing exactly what major fragments of Utpaladeva's Vivriti have been discovered to date: The numbers shown are the verses of Utpaladeva's Ishwara P...

The Destroyer

@RohitSinghRathore flag it mentioning the reason.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan Hats off!

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan Thanks, that answer took a lot of work. I think this is the most work I've had to put into an answer since my old Rig Veda Anukramani answer.

@LakshmiNarayanan Usually my questions take a lot more effort than my answers.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan Yes, i was gonna ask if this is in the same league of work as Anukramani Q&A which i think is harder to do for some reason.

@KeshavSrinivasan how so? I find answering to be a daunting effort at the outset!

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan Yeah, the Anukramani answer was a bit more work because I had to find ways around Google Books' page limits and converting vertically long image files into PDF's and all that.

@LakshmiNarayanan This was still a lot of work though, like it required me to find a whole slew of different journal papers, finding a way to extract and combine pages from a large number of PDF files, and contacting a bunch of Indologists to find out what they're working on.

@LakshmiNarayanan That'a because of the nature of my questions, haha. If you read a typical question of mine you can see how much research goes into it.

Lakshmi Narayanan

05:36

@KeshavSrinivasan I didn't realise the technological aspect of the work would be challenging, that's usually glossed over in the first pass. However, it is slowly one of those things i'm learning to factor in due to my daily research schedule.

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan Oh, what research are you doing? Electrical engineering?

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan Mathematical Biology which involves me writing a lot of code for stochastic simulations as well.

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan Oh ok... Nice question answer...😀😀

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan Oh ok

Rakesh Joshi

@KeshavSrinivasan i cannot participate in any of these. please do not tag me .

Keshav Srinivasan

05:45

@RakeshJoshi I just thought that as a Kashmiri Shaivite you would be interested in reading Utpaladeva's own commentaries on his Ishwara Pratyabhijna Karika.

@LakshmiNarayanan Here's an example of a question that required a great deal of research:

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Q: Do any commentators other than Adi Shankaracharya disagree with both Pancharatra and Shaiva Agamas?

As I discuss in this question, by far the most popular school of Hindu philosophy is the Vedanta school, which bases its tenets on the doctrines laid out in the Brahma Sutras, a work by the sage Vyasa which summarizes and systematizes the philosophical teachings of the Upanishads. You can read th...

Lakshmi Narayanan

05:59

@KeshavSrinivasan Are you working towards an answer for this? It's over a year since you asked the question.

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan Well, in order to answer that question I need to read more commentaries on the Brahma Sutras. Here is a list of commentaries on the Brahma Sutras I'm currently looking for:

Sep 8 '16 at 4:56, by Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Here are some of the commentaries I'd like to find in English: Bhaskara's commentary advocating Aupadhika Bhedabheda; the Shrikara Bhashya, which is the Lingayat commentary advocating Shakti Visistadvaita; Srinivasa Dikshitar's Vaikhanasa commentary advocating Lakshmi Visistadvaita; Vallabhacharya's Anubhashya advocating Shuddhadvaita; any Swaminarayan sect commentary; and any Ramanandi commentary.

@LakshmiNarayanan I've already posted questions asking for most of these. But I need to post more questions asking for the Shrikara Bhashya and Vallabhacharya's Anubhashya.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan Oh ok, maybe you can email indologists working in these texts and ask if they are available or willing to translate.

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan Yeah, I could try that.

Rakesh Joshi

only with selected people

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan And by the way, even that's not an exhaustive list of the commentaries that I want to read. Those are just the ones I know the existence of. But there are other kinds of commentaries I'd like to read. Like I'd love to read an Arya Samaj commentary on the Brahma Sutras, if there is such a thing.

Lakshmi Narayanan

06:12

@KeshavSrinivasan why them in particular?

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan Reading a commentary on the Brahma Sutras is often the best way to understand a sect or philosophy you're not familiar with. There's something about having to come up with a way to consistently interpret a list of 555 statements that forces a philosopher to clarify his ideas as much as possible.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan No i meant why Arya Samaj not why Brahma Sutra Bhashya.

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan It's just an example. But in the case of Arya Samaj, they disagree with a lot of doctrines of the Vedanta school, so it would be interesting to see how they wiggle their way out of certain statements in the Brahma Sutras, like the fact that Moksha is eternal and the fact that Brahman is both the efficient cause and material cause of he Universe.

@LakshmiNarayanan Arya Samaj subscribes to a philosophy somewhat similar to Madhvacharya's philosophy of Dvaita, except without the Vaishnava elements.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan oh ok

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan I have different reasons for wanting to read different commentaries. Like in the case of the Srinivasa Dikshitar's Vaikhanasa commentary, I'm particularly interested in how Srinivasa Dikshitar interprets Vyasa's discussion of Pancharatra.

@LakshmiNarayanan Adi Shankaracharya interprets it as disagreeing with the Pancharatra Agamas and Ramanujacharya interprets it as agreeing with the Pancharatra Agamas. It would be interesting to see if Srinivasa Dikshitar interprets it as agreeing with Vaikhanasa Agamas, or if he'll say "Vyasa is rightly criticizing Pancharatra, because Vaikhanasas are the ones who are right."

@LakshmiNarayanan In the case of Ramanandi commentaries and Sripatipandita': Lingayat commentary, I'm interested in how they interpret Vyasa's discussion of low-caste people, since they come from sects associated with anti-caste system views.

Lakshmi Narayanan

06:27

@KeshavSrinivasan It seems Dayananda Saraswati's Guru Virajanand Dandeesha was an interesting character himself. He has written a work called "Shabda-Bodh" and was a master of sanskrit grammar so this would put him closer to the school of Kashmir Shaivism!

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan Oh, you think he was a Sphotavadin? I doubt it; Sphotavada died out long ago.

@LakshmiNarayanan Looking at his name I assume he was a typical Advaitin.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan I'm inclined to think he was a master of it regardless of whether he followed it given his reported eruditon in Sanskrit but what is interesting is that Arya Samaj is closer to Dvaita while its founder Dayananda Saraswati is trained by someone who has a pure monistic bent.

@KeshavSrinivasan It would be interesting to read his Shabda-Bodh i'm sure.

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan Haha yeah, Dayananda Saraswati kind of went off in his own direction rather than deriving his views from his guru. I think he was influenced a lot by Christianity. Christianity also believes in a Dvaita-like philosophy.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan The concept of Holy Spirit is similar in its aspiration to that of Prana.

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan Did Dayananda Saraswati emphasize Prana? I don't think so. But Madhvacharya heavily emphasized Prana, since he believed in a weird Vayu-centric Vaishnava worldview. I sometimes suspect that Madhvacharya might have had Christian influences.

@LakshmiNarayanan He believed in Mukhya Prana which is analogous to the Holy Spirit, he believed in Dvaita, he believed in Andhatamas or a place of eternal punishment, etc.

Lakshmi Narayanan

06:40

@KeshavSrinivasan Yeah, it's surprisingly well correlated!

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan By the way, I posted a question about Madhvacharya's Vayu-centric Vaishnava worldview here:

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Q: How did Vayu the wind god start being associated with Vishnu?

There are three prominent Hindu philosophies today: Advaita or monism, Dvaita or dualism, and Visistadvaita or qualified monism. Now the chief exponent of Dvaita was the 13th century philosopher Madhvacharya, but that wasn't all he was. He was a Vaishnava - someone who believes that the god Vis...

hindu history wind vishnu

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan I don't think emphasizing on Prana is weird view.. . Brihadaranyaka Upanishad analysis of 33 Gods ends in asserting Prana as one God... also Prana Sukta of Atharvaveda calls Prana as Brahman...

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan you can ask this in H.SE as well i think.

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz Yeah, Brahman is referred to as Prana plenty of times in the Upanishads. But that's not what Madhvacharya's worldview was. He viewed Prana as some kind of supreme attribute of Brahman, Brahman's most faithful servant and associate.

@Tezz Part of the weirdness is the way that he connects Vayu and Vishnu. Vayu is not usually thought of as one of Vishnu's closest associates.

Ankit Sharma

08:46

Asked a question after months

Rohit Singh Rathore

10:14

My first question on Islam SE.

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Q: Allah is not omnipresent?

After chatting with a Muslim scholar, I came to know Islam doesn't believe in omnipresence of Allah. Can someone cite scriptures?

allah islamic-philosophy

The Destroyer

10:25

@KeshavSrinivasan Vishnu Purana shows Vayu as Vishnu's closest associate.

@KeshavSrinivasan Why did you ask it on Mythology SE?

SwiftPushkar

@AnkitSharma - Bhagvat purana do talk about those 4 elephants , but it's not saying earth is upholed by them , instead it says they are for protection of earth , but some authors claim that they are holding the earth 👆🌏

Ankit Sharma

@SwiftPushkar ohhhh

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer - Yes , seen your comment after this message 👍👍 but we will find out "What's holding the earth" - We must know that 😀

Ankit Sharma

That conversation was started on The screening room and I searched here and there was no question about it

so aksed

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Many Puranas say Adi Sesha. Adding answer from umasamhita of Shiva Purana.

Will also add other references from other Puranas

SwiftPushkar

10:30

@TheDestroyer - Ok , nice find , do write 👍👍💐

Ankit Sharma

@TheDestroyer sound nice

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer - I just found that "Ananta" ,which is having 1000 heads ,earth is kept on one of them 🐍🌎

but again it says Bhu-Mandala ,not earh - vedabase.com/en/sb/5/25/2

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Q: What are the sources of the imagery for the Discworld resting on the backs of the four elephants and Great A'tuin?

The turtle and elephant bit come from Hindu mythology. But the Vedas mention only one elephant and the world spins at the end of his trunk. I want to know if there are other mythologies Pratchett is specifically referencing here.

terry-pratchett discworld

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar I think Bhagvatam in one place says entire Bhumandala looks like just a mustard seed in Adi Shesha hood...

@SwiftPushkar also I think those 4 elephants are beyond LokãLoka not in the earth... they balance Universe...

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - Yes 👍👍 I have given the link , pls. see Up👆😊

Ankit Sharma

keshav's question is in HNQ

The Destroyer

10:42

@SwiftPushkar Thanks! Shiva also says the same.

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - Yeah , this could also be possible ,that they are balancing earth 😊⚖🌎

Tezz

@AnkitSharma but it has only 83 views upto now...

Ankit Sharma

@Tezz It will get more if stay in HNQ

Tezz

@AnkitSharma Oh ok...

Ankit Sharma

But HNQ help graduate site more, as people who look into HNQ to get easy rep mostly focus on graduate sites

SwiftPushkar

11:36

@TheDestroyer - 👍👍

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar धन्यवाद

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer - BTW , Bhagvat purana also says after retriving earth which were sunk in ocean , Varaha placed the earth over the ocean , vedabase.com/en/sb/3/13/46

Rakesh Joshi

12:06

@RohitSinghRathore @KrishnShweta @SS
Rare video of Swami Muktananda Shaktipaat
begins from 6 minutes onwards

Muktananda - The Guru's Touch 1/2

►

S S

@SreeCharan अकारान्तः पुन्लिङ्गः राम शब्दः. अ karaa only. राम. — The Destroyer ♦ 6 hours ago

@TheDestroyer I knew it before. I posted the message to the OP.

The Destroyer

ohh ok.

Ram or Rishab?

S S

Ram.

I wanted to post an answer to that question. But will do later.

@RakeshJoshi There is a fake guru here in our state who claims he is a siddha yogi and does Shakti pata.

Rakesh Joshi

dont worry about him.

S S

:)

SwiftPushkar

12:46

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A: What does Hindu scripture say about World Turtle/World Elephant theory?

Apart from the puranas the theory of earth being supported or upholded by four elephents is mentioned in "Brihatsamhita" by Varaha-Mihira". Chapter 32 " Bhukampa Laxan Adhyay , Signs of an earthquake. क्षितिकंम्पमाहुरेके बृहदन्तर्जलनिवासिसत्वकृतम् । भूभारखिन्नदिग्गजविश्रामसमुद्भवं चान्...

New find @TheDestroyer @Tezz @SS @AnkitSharma 👆👆

Ankit Sharma

I see

Ankit Sharma

13:19

How did Krishna help Draupadi during vastraharan? Explain it scientifically because no one can do magic over it as it is shown in the TV shows.

Quora ^^

S S

@AnkitSharma Really?

Message to the person who posted it: If you don't believe in things like Penance, Power of Lord, then Mahabharat is not for you.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Hahahaha

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Good one.

Pandya

@LakshmiNarayanan Btw, "No I'm not interested" got more upvotes on your poll :(

Lakshmi Narayanan

@Pandya 3 for i'm not interested and 4 for the rest, i don't see how that's a majority NO!

SwiftPushkar

13:27

@TheDestroyer - Thanks bro 😊🐘🐘🐘🐘🌏 ⬅ 4 elephents & earth 😀 👍👍👍💐

The Destroyer

@LakshmiNarayanan or a single person voted on 2 other answers.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@TheDestroyer for a total of 4 votes? I think that math is broken

Pandya

@LakshmiNarayanan 4 for rest?

Ankit Sharma

@LakshmiNarayanan I don't know why someone will vote for not interested, either you are interested or just don't participate

Lakshmi Narayanan

@AnkitSharma sorry, the vote is actually "I'm not interested in participating" i was just referring by shorthand.

The Destroyer

13:30

@LakshmiNarayanan If a single person voted for 2 answers, it's 3 different persons. We need to consider persons not votes.

Pandya

@AnkitSharma Yes @LakshmiNarayanan I think there may be no need to provide "I'm not interested" answer!

Lakshmi Narayanan

@TheDestroyer it needs atleast two people for a total of atleast three votes on the other given that others consist of a possibility of two options.

Ankit Sharma

@LakshmiNarayanan then don't participate :P DVing make no sense to me

Lakshmi Narayanan

@AnkitSharma My vote is unaccounted for yet btw since i posted the question and options. So i'll count that mentally :D

@Pandya Keshav asked me to add it.

S S

@SwiftPushkar Good find. But Varaha mihira is an astronomer. What category does his work fall?

Ankit Sharma

13:33

@LakshmiNarayanan I am not saying to you but to the person who upvoted on that option

Lakshmi Narayanan

@AnkitSharma ah ok, i thought you were talking about me which was pretty weird :D

SwiftPushkar

@SS - Astrology is one of the vedanga of Hinduism & also there are lot's of questions on this site which requires help of astrology or are based on that in answering , so I think its in joytisha section of hinduism 😊👍

S S

indiatimes.com/culture/who-we-are/…

Lakshmi Narayanan

JMO, Reading seminar may not be good idea. Interpretation plays a major role in Hindu Scriptures. Moreover, Shruti (Vedas) should be read under guidance of Guru. Except very few users here, most of them are reading Scriptures on their own (including me :Smriti and Puranas, and i didn't read Vedas and Upanishads). So, i think this is comparatively not useful. (Btw, i don't want to offend Keshav). Many users may feel like this. JMO. — The Destroyer ♦ 18 hours ago

Ankit Sharma

@LakshmiNarayanan I know people can't self upvoet or Downvoet tehre own post

Lakshmi Narayanan

13:39

@AnkitSharma In Meta it is useful i agree but on main site people will by default vote up their question and their answers so there's no point in that context i suppose.

@AnkitSharma oops, i read something else. sorry for the random reply above.

Ankit Sharma

No worries

Keshav Srinivasan

13:55

@TheDestroyer Where does the Vishnu Purana say that?

The Destroyer

@LakshmiNarayanan Why did you post it?

@KeshavSrinivasan Beginning chapters only. Need to see. Will check.

@KeshavSrinivasan why did you post on Mythology SE?

Rohit Singh Rathore

They are confused & confusing a lot. haha read answers and comments, I guess answerer has removed references.

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A: Allah is not omnipresent?

Allah being omnipresent is a belief of tabligh jamaat of India, I have asked the same question to barelvis of india they say Allah is above the throne, Allah is established on his throne (Quran 20:5) Allah is above the heavens (Quran 67:16/17) The first three generations were unanimous...

@RakeshJoshi He is bona fide master?

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Because I thought I would be more likely to get secular "evolution of mythology" answers there, and also I would be less likely to offend people, since it's unlikely hat many Madhwas would see my question there.

S S

@RohitSinghRathore Reading it just now.

Bhaiyya hamara rabb, Shankar nahi hai aur hum log kan kan mein Shankar vishwas nahi karte, Allah is outside his creation — Preordainment 51 mins ago

Rohit Singh Rathore

haha,

Actually I am interested to refute islam a lot. Without this question it was being difficult to philosophically attack the ideology. I took this as a good start. Whatever they say - yes or no, my next question would be based on their answer.

1st answer saying - He is,
2nd - He isn't.

Lakshmi Narayanan

14:09

@TheDestroyer I thought @AnkitSharma might be interested in it.

@RohitSinghRathore Quantum Mechanics! ;)

Rohit Singh Rathore

Haha @LakshmiNarayanan

Btw @LakshmiNarayanan since you like to code, I have found a good website for programming problems. Check this

interviewbit.com/courses/programming/topics/math/#problems

The Destroyer

@LakshmiNarayanan So, upvoting on that option bad?

Pandya

@TheDestroyer Though, I agree that Vedas should be read under guidance of guru but how about reading scriptures like Purans & BG & Itihasa for that?

The Destroyer

@Pandya They are good. But in mass reading those who take seminar may impose his views or perspective on others.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@TheDestroyer Not being interested to participate and making a judgment that it is 'comparatively not useful' are two different things. On top of that, assuming a voice for "Many" users is also unwarranted, disputable and reckless discouragement. If you are not interested to participate there is an option to express it - so no, it's not bad.

@RohitSinghRathore cool, i'll take a look

The Destroyer

14:19

@LakshmiNarayanan One can't impose his views on others with such seminars. I said my opinion. You may or may not like it. I can't do anything.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@TheDestroyer I'm just reciprocating.

Pandya

Let me clear somethings. How is seminar supposed to taken? I mean will some time like a week or more be given to user before discussing in chat?

Lakshmi Narayanan

@Pandya yeah, once a week we'll have an scheduled event to discuss.

The Destroyer

@LakshmiNarayanan Then remove that answer if you don't want to know opinions of others. Reciprocating is of no good idea when you ask users their opinions.

Pandya

@TheDestroyer how can one impose: via Q & A or chat?

Lakshmi Narayanan

14:22

@TheDestroyer If you are not interested in participating, then write your pertinent comment on that answer, don't post on the question itself. you are free to make your opinion known, just put it in the right place.

The Destroyer

@LakshmiNarayanan My comment is pertinent for question.

Pandya

Can you explain problem with mass reading?

Lakshmi Narayanan

@TheDestroyer I replied to it didn't I? you are the one asking me to remove the answer now, i'm merely suggesting that if you think it is part of opinion "I am not interested in participating" then put it there. If it's a genuine query regarding the mechanics of the question then directly post on the question. It is that simple.

The Destroyer

7 mins ago, by Lakshmi Narayanan

@TheDestroyer I'm just reciprocating.

@LakshmiNarayanan My reply is for this comment.

Don't mix two different replies,

Lakshmi Narayanan

@TheDestroyer Ugh, please understand your position first and if needed read what you originally posted on that question before thinking there's more than one thread, i'm asking you to recognise your own rules.

Pandya

14:29

@RohitSinghRathore In order to refute a philosophy, I think one should first gain enough knowledge about it. This is what Kumaril Bhatta did against Buddhism.

Lakshmi Narayanan

In any case, please answer @Pandya 's question. I'm also interested to know the answer.

The Destroyer

@LakshmiNarayanan My problem is with "Reading Seminars" not with answers. Replying under answer is not relevant.

Rakesh Joshi

which guru ?

Pandya

@TheDestroyer I'm interested to understand your explanation for problems with reading seminar or mass reading?

@LakshmiNarayanan answer to poll?

Lakshmi Narayanan

@Pandya mass reading question.

Pandya

14:35

@LakshmiNarayanan I didn't understand. Isn't answer to your recent meta question?

Lakshmi Narayanan

@TheDestroyer It is relevant to reply under answer if that answer is to explain that sentiment. It makes more sense in that case esp. so given answer is provided.

@Pandya No i too want to know what @TheDestroyer thinks are problems with mass reading.

The Destroyer

@Pandya It's like giving power point presentation and student discusses or asks him. First a user will write something and fellow users ask doubts or discuss his points. Main problem comes when a newbie enters the room. He takes granted words of first user. Also, if other fellow users are not knowledgeable, and if presenter misinterpreted any scripture, misintepreted view will be imposed.

Pandya

@TheDestroyer I think such risk is not only related to that seminar. Users may debate also at present and something can go now.

@TheDestroyer Is your concern about newbie?

The Destroyer

@Pandya we know how debates happened previously in this room.

@Pandya Not only newbies, even users who haven't read some scriptures.

Pandya

@TheDestroyer we may start seminar on our main room or here or other room dedicated to it and also make aware user that this is seminar.

Lakshmi Narayanan

14:57

@Pandya You are right, we may need a separate room given how this room is used almost round the clock. In that case, the Room Description can be used to set the rules and expectation around the discussion as well.

The Destroyer

@RohitSinghRathore it seems Rickross prepared an answer for your question (clearing misconceptions) on "locking of mantras". Reconsider in undeleting if you have no problem.

Rohit Singh Rathore

Yes @TheDestroyer undelete, it will help others as Mantras are really locked.

@Pandya Thorough knowledge is not required to attack any ideology, sometimes questions-counter questions are enough. I think so.

The Destroyer

15:25

@RohitSinghRathore flag it to undelete.

it (logs) will be helpful in future.

Rohit Singh Rathore

15:36

Flagged

What is the age of Swami Vishwananda?

@TheDestroyer

The Destroyer

@RohitSinghRathore it's not showing.

Rohit Singh Rathore

Yes age doesn't show.

The Destroyer

@RohitSinghRathore not age. flag.

Rohit Singh Rathore

Check again.

The Destroyer

@RohitSinghRathore I didn't show. But i undeleted it.

Rohit Singh Rathore

15:43

@TheDestroyer Ankit is asking about earth, answers are for universe.

The Destroyer

@RohitSinghRathore 66.

@RohitSinghRathore Kshiti mandala is earth.

@RohitSinghRathore Shiva Purana mentions Prithvi/

Rohit Singh Rathore

Oh! He lives alone? @TheDestroyer @Pandya

The Destroyer

@RohitSinghRathore don't know.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer How did you find that out?

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan I saw long ago. tezz asked the same question. At that time, it showed. He hid it now.

Pandya

15:45

Oct 14 '16 at 14:54, by The Destroyer

@Pandya Swami Vishwananda is 66 yrs old. He may not like to chat..

Rohit Singh Rathore

@TheDestroyer Jainism & Buddhism too admit universe has foundation, but Adi Shesha holding earth is too much. Other verses clearly talks about gravitation being responsible.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Oh ok

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan Earlier I remember it is visible from his network-profile

The Destroyer

@Pandya Thanks! I remembered it as 69.

Pandya

@RohitSinghRathore I don't know

The Destroyer

15:47

@RohitSinghRathore Adi sesha is below all 14 lokas. It supports. I think this is metaphorical.

Adi Sesha is Vishnu who means all pervading.

Rohit Singh Rathore

One who takes Sanyasa should be self realized before 40-45.

The Destroyer

@RohitSinghRathore He married.

He is now in 4th stage of life.

Rohit Singh Rathore

😵

But he writes " Hindu Sanyasin"

The Destroyer

@RohitSinghRathore Yes. I saw in one of the comments to Keshav's question about something got lost in his marriage pics.

Rohit Singh Rathore

Nisargadatta Maharaja got realized in 4 years while being active in the world.

His marriage pics?

Keshav Srinivasan

15:51

@TheDestroyer I thought Adisesha only supports the the seven Dvipas and the seven Patalas. He doesn't support the realms of punishment or realms like Maharloka, Janaloka, etc.

Rohit Singh Rathore

Kshiti mandala shouldn't be the earth.

Pandya

Though you can time travel to see his age on 7-Sep-2015 @TheDestroyer @KeshavSrinivasan @RohitSinghRathore

The Destroyer

@RohitSinghRathore it is earth.

Rohit Singh Rathore

Well @KeshavSrinivasan where are Pātāls according to you? ( Which you believe in, not scriptures)

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Some time I want to ask him what his lifestyle as a Sanyasi is like, in a way that won't offend him. He has enough technology to participate in Hinduism Stackexchange. He probably lives in an Ashram with a computer and Internet access.

Rohit Singh Rathore

15:54

Haha @Pandya

The Destroyer

@RohitSinghRathore

Rohit Singh Rathore

@TheDestroyer etymological explanation needed please.

The Destroyer

kShiti ??

Pandya

@LakshmiNarayanan And we can also think positively about it. (Hope users who haven't read scriptures will learn something) /cc @TheDestroyer

The Destroyer

Yes Kshiti is prithvi.. From the bottom the last tattva among the 36 tattvas is called prithvi or kshiti tattva. — Rickross 3 mins ago

@RohitSinghRathore Rickross knows it well it seems.

Pandya

15:56

@KeshavSrinivasan "E Aashrama"! Haha

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Haha

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan But he doesn't like chatting.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Yeah, he's probably not very tech-savvy owing to his age.

Rohit Singh Rathore

@TheDestroyer Got it. Kshiti is prithvi tattva whole physical manifestation is outside of the realm where we dwell. So seems the bottommost of universe

The Destroyer

@RohitSinghRathore Is kShiti Universe or just earth?

Rohit Singh Rathore

16:02

See the pic of my last question before mantra one. I think so

Lakshmi Narayanan

16:18

@Pandya Definitely! Personally, I hope it to be a positive, encouraging and critical experience, i think many users would agree.

@RohitSinghRathore You said you are interested in QM but career in ML, can i ask why?

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan - Have u read Brihat samhita , there is lot's of interesting things in that , I was surprised , 😇

SwiftPushkar

16:42

@KeshavSrinivasan - I think we might find answer of your this question (may be )😊🌑

1

Q: What scriptures describe the phenomenon of Fire Eclipses?

Just like Vaishnavas follow Pancharatra Agamas and Shaivites follow Shaiva Agamas, Shakta follow Shakta Agamas, aka Shakta Tantras. (I discuss an exception that proves the rule here.) One such Shakta Agama is the Matrikabheda Tantra. In this excerpt from the Matrikabheda Tantra, Shiva tells Parv...

mythology agamas tantra shaktism eclipse

@Tezz - If you are interested there are lot's of scientific phenomenon's are explained in Brihad samhita , you may also find that intresting 😊👍👍

Keshav Srinivasan

@SwiftPushkar No, I haven't read it. But I have read other astronomical works, like the Surya Siddhanta, Aryabhatta's Aryabhattiyam, Lalla's Shishyavriddhida Tantra, the works of Bhaskara, etc.

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan - Ok , that's grt.reading you done , I will also read those in time 👍👍😊

@KeshavSrinivasan - Bhagvatam also saying about 4 elephents as stated bt you 👍👍

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar Oh ok... where is it avaliable?...

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - There is a link in my answet 😊⛓ & here it is - archive.org/details/Brihatsamhita

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar Oh ok Thanks!. I'll read it...

Rohit Singh Rathore

17:02

@LakshmiNarayanan Actually, I think once I complete sufficient scriptures of Kashmiri Shaivism, I would shift my attention towards Quantum mechanics. I believe Quantum mechanics can be mathematical manifestations of Indian philosophies particularly Advait Vedanta & Kashmiri Shaivism.

Partial manifestations if not complete.

Keshav Srinivasan

@RohitSinghRathore I don't think quantum mechanics has such implications, but I can help you learn it. My background is in theoretical physics.

Rohit Singh Rathore

@KeshavSrinivasan dccc.edu/sites/default/files/faculty/francesco_bellini/…

Sure @KeshavSrinivasan thanks. @LakshmiNarayanan @Tezz @TheDestroyer have a look on the link.

I might have distorted presumptions about such interdisciplinarity of Quantum mechanics but truth can be known clearly once I'm into it. :)

Keshav Srinivasan

@SwiftPushkar You should read this chapter of Lalla's Shishyavriddhida Tantra: gdurl.com/JaoM It's Lalla's attempted refutation of various astronomical theories he regards as false, most of which come from the Puranas.

Rohit Singh Rathore

Quantum physics is the link, the bridge, over the century-old chasm
between science and religions, it is the “science of transcendence” we have been waiting
for.5

Reality contradicts our view of the world. AS it has been proven many time in
history (like in the case of the Heliocentric theory. In fact there is a deep disparity
between how we perceive the world and the way things really are.

From the same link.

CONSCIOUSNESS COLLAPSES THE QUANTUM WAVE, RESULTING IN THE
SEPARATION BETWEEN SUBJECT AND OBJECT.
THE SELF OF SELF-REFERENCE IS DUE TO A TANGLED HIERARCHY, BUT
OUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF BEING THAT IS BEYOND
SUBJECT-OBJECT SPLIT.
THE SELF OF SELF-REFERENCE AND THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE
ORIGINAL CONSCIOUSNESS TOGETHER MAKE WHAT WE CALL SELF-
CONSCIOUSNESS.

Keshav Srinivasan

@RohitSinghRathore Yes, I'm familiar with the various theories people have connecting quantum mechanics to Advaita, but I think they're mistaken. In any case after you study quantum mechanics you can judge for yourself.

Rohit Singh Rathore

17:21

Yeah @KeshavSrinivasan I've read answers of many physicists regarding this. Moreover, I don't believe in pseudo science in philosophy/religion but I thought about this possibility after reading a PhD scholar of Quantum mechanics on these theories. He is Canada based Indian.

Amit Goswamis's self aware universe.

amitgoswami.org

Keshav Srinivasan

@SwiftPushkar It's interesting to see the different astronomical theories that ancient Indians believed in. Lalla and others believed that the Earth neither rotates nor revolves, and the Sun, planets, and stars revolve around the Earth. Aryabhatta believed that the Earth rotates around its own axis and the stars are fixed, and the Sun and planets revolve around the Earth.

@SwiftPushkar And then in the Middle Ages Nilakantha Somayaji believed that the Earth rotates around its own axis and the stars are fixed, the planets revolve around the Sun, and the Sun revolves around the Earth.

@SwiftPushkar So far I haven't come across any ancient or medieval Hindu astronomers who believed that the Earth revolves around the Sun.

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan - .😀 ok , They have attempted to define natural phenomenon's according to beliefs of that time as well as taking clues from scriptures. So i think those people laid out the foundation and our current knowledge evolved from those theories as our understanding got better and better and with the help of invention of telescopes and other instruments.🔭🌞🌘🌟🌠⭐

Lakshmi Narayanan

@RohitSinghRathore I don't think there's more than superficial connect here, Which particular aspect of quantum physics do you think is related to KS/AV?

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan - Watch this , its interesting - youtu.be/iJAP4-Gk6Nk , its a lengthy documentory though , but end is very interesting

Rohit Singh Rathore

17:47

@LakshmiNarayanan Erwin Rudolf Josef Alexander Schrödinger (12 August 1887 – 4 January 1961) was an Austrian physicist, one of the founders of quantum theory, and winner of the 1933 Nobel Prize for Physics. His ideas were heavily influenced by monist philosophy y and he is particularly well known for original interpretations of the significance of the wave function and for devising the Schrödinger's cat thought experiment.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@RohitSinghRathore interesting, can you point to the source?

Rohit Singh Rathore

en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Erwin_Schrödinger

Erwin Schrodinger once observed: This life of yours which you are living is not merely a piece of this entire existence,but in a certain sense the whole; only this whole is not so constituted that it can be surveyed in one single glance. This, as we know, is what the Brahmins express in that sacred, mystic formula which is yet really so simple and so clear: tat tvam asi, this is you. Or, again, in such words as “I am in the east and the west, I am above and below, I am this entire world.”

Btw, I need a strong reference of above saying.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@RohitSinghRathore He himself says he is a fan of Vedanta.

Rohit Singh Rathore

And these guys are source of Quantum mechanics. So there must be a link.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@RohitSinghRathore There are many philosophical interpretations of QM, check out: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretations_of_quantum_mechanics

Rohit Singh Rathore

17:55

Somewhat āchārya Abhinavgupta says -

In this world the totality of objects appear eternally in the present moment, i.e. the activity of universality has no previous or future existence. Differentiated action is an illusion based on the unlawful pervasion of an intermediate state which is unreal, transient, fraudulent, just like a heap of appearances in the illusion of a dream. Remain above these defects which have been wrongfully forged by the stigma of doubts, hence be awakened!

Lakshmi Narayanan

@RohitSinghRathore Time is an illusion, the parts are an illusion yet the whole 'comparatively' is more than the sum of these imaginary parts?

Keshav Srinivasan

18:11

@SwiftPushkar A lot of Hindu astronomy are influenced by Greek astronomy. The ancient Greek astronomer Ptolemy believed that the planets naturally moved around the Earth in a circle, but then something caused them to deviate from this circular path. So you need to add corrections called epicycles and deferents to accurately describe the motion of the planets. Hindu astronomers generally followed Ptolemy's theory of epicycles and deferents.

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