Vedanta and Philosophy

Sree Charan

02:37

User 8791 deleted his account. I don't know just for one comment? He was answering well.

Sree Charan

02:49

@TheDestroyer My parent site is Hinduism but the icon is not changing bro.

The Destroyer

03:28

@SreeCharan try changing parent site again in chat. It will change.

@SreeCharan who is user 8791?

Sree Charan

phew.....

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan wow! you got it bback.

Sree Charan

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A: Why couldn't or why didn't Lord Rama withdraw his Brahmastra when Arjuna could?

There are two possible answers for me to provide you with. Instead of offering my own, I will present to you, MB's and Ved Vyasa's explanation. Context: Hastinapur's army became desolated after Drona's death. Super angry, Ashwatthama rallied the troops behind him for one final push. Let's just...

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan passerby99?

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer No his user name was user(some big number). His profile picture was "Keep calm and kick the patriarchy" or something like this.

@TheDestroyer See my comment below. Was that rude? /cc@Pandya @AnkitSharma @KeshavSrinivasan

The Destroyer

03:33

@SreeCharan haha.Ok.

SwiftPushkar

04:31

@ChinmayaB - haha ,I am nowhere near even to the first word "s" ,in saintly , just now started to read scriptures , currently i am reading puranas , so with comparing to all you people , I am in just kindergarten. Most people here are much more serious devotee's and are much much more spiritual than myself.So i am nowhere near to saintly personality 😀👍👍👍 And yes नक्की भेटु परत परत ,thanks😉

@TheDestroyer Yes ,voted 😊

@SreeCharan - Do you know who is "Vishvaksenar" is it a form of lord vishnu @ChinmayaB

Keshav Srinivasan

@SwiftPushkar Vishvaksena is the general of Vishnu's army; see my question here:

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Q: What scriptures describe the story of Vishnu's general Vishvaksena?

It is well-known that Shiva's son Ganesha is the general of Shiva's army of Ganas. What's not as well-known, however, is that Vishnu also has an army, led by the god Vishvaksena. Vishvaksena plays an important role in the Sri Vaishnava sect; as I discuss here, Vishvaksena learnt the all-importa...

SwiftPushkar

04:46

@KeshavSrinivasan - "Vannakam" 😊 💐😊👍👍👍

Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan Jai Sreemannarayana!!!

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar ok. But i said it was offtopic.

@SreeCharan How do Advaitins greet? Jai Parameswara?

Sree Charan

Vishwakse:na and Vina:yaka were not one and the same. Vishwakse:na appears just like Lord Na:ra:yana Himself. Colour will be ordinary not blue. Along with Sankha and Chakra he will be holding a long stick in his left hand and showing index finger with right hand, to fear all the evil powers. Several elephant headed (gaja mukhas) gana:dhipathis are in his force, to obey his instructions in removing the hurdles of Vishnu devotees. Vishwak Se:na is the whole and sole to look after the administration of the entire Universe and also the Paramapadam. Here is a verse says that

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan @SreeCharan - In Vaishnava temples First Vishvaksenar is Worshipped for removing obstacles, then Shriman Narayana is worshipped. And yes, same thought came into my mind - is he same as Vinayaka or worshiped as ganapati😀

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer Don't know. Gaudiya Vaishnavas say Radhe, some say Jai Nitai...

@SwiftPushkar Did you read the full text?

@KeshavSrinivasan In the above message, There is a mention of Alavandhar's stotram about Vishwaksena. Do you know about it?

The Destroyer

04:56

@SreeCharan ok. @KeshavSrinivasan do you know how Advaitins greet each other?

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - Yes ,"some occassions if devotees worship a Gajamukha in the place of Vishwakse:na, as a representative of him," 👍👍

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer Krishna also tamed an elephant, defeated a mighty snake and killed some cruel creatures. Should we start those competetions too? Ha Ha 😀

@SwiftPushkar Yes there are many attendants of Vishweksena perumal. Among them, there are lion faced, elephant faced, monkey faced etc., But the elephant faced are double tusked and hold shankha chakras.

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan @KeshavSrinivasan - One more thing , Who is "Vighanaraja" mentioned in Bhagvat Purana? I think i asked this Question here on chat , but he is mentioned in Shamudra Manthan story .Skandha 8 Chapter 7 shloka 8

@SreeCharan Oh ok , so they are different from Ganesha representation 👍

vilokya vighneśa-vidhiṁ tadeśvaro
duranta-vīryo ’vitathābhisandhiḥ
kṛtvā vapuḥ kacchapam adbhutam mahat
praviśya toyaṁ girim ujjahāra

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkar Translation of that verse according to vedabase vedabase.com/en/sb/8/7/8

@SwiftPushkar You mean vignesha?

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan yes ,i know that , but i am referring to gita press version (hard copy book) ,which say its a ,trick of vighna raja. OR vighnesh

Sree Charan

05:08

@SwiftPushkar Are they referring to Ganesha?

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan Yes. He also fought wars. But that doesn't make general "war" questions on topic.

Keshav Srinivasan

@SwiftPushkar Vanakkam

@SreeCharan Jai Sriman Narayana! By the way, I think only followers of Chinna Jeeyar Swami say that. Most Sri Vaishnavas I know greet each other with Namo Narayana.

@TheDestroyer They greet each other with Narayana.

Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan Taking the lord name is important. But worshiping the lord along with mother is our tradition so Jai Srimannarayana.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan ohh..why Narayana? Ok. Swami Govindananda was greeting everyone with "Narayana". I thought his Ista Deva was Narayana.

@SwiftPushkar See the above translation for that verse.

Keshav Srinivasan

@SwiftPushkar Yes, Vishvaksena is worshipped first by Sri Vaishnavas. In fact some Sri Vaishnavas believe the Shuklam Bharadharam Vishnum verse in the beginningvof the Vishnu Sahasranamam is about Vishavksena, whereas other Sri Vaishnavas believe it's about Vishnu. And of course many non-Vaishnavas interpret it as a verse about Ganesha.

Sree Charan

05:23

Also "Yasyadwirada vakthradya..." @KeshavSrinivasan. The above two are the dhyaana shlokas of Vishwaksena. @SwiftPushkar

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan Yes, Yasyadvirada is unequivocally about Vishvaksena, since it ends with Vishvaksenam Tamashraye.

@SreeCharan Yes, it's verse 39 of Yamunacharya's Stotra Ratna: bvml.org/VS/Y_stotra-ratna.html

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Suklam Bharadarama.. verse fits more Ganesha than Vishnu. This can be reconciled if we can prove something like "Vishnu born as son of Shiva (Ganesha) just like Karthikeya". haha.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Well, the verse doesn't mention anything about being the son of Shiva.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Yes. But "Ekadantam Upasyamahe" clearly means Ganesha. Even attribute "Vishnum" applies to Ganesha if we consider at highest level.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer The verse doesn't have Ekadantam Upasyamahe.

Sree Charan

05:29

@TheDestroyer In this kalpa, the Ganesha is the son of Shiva parvati. But in the other kalpas, the vignesha were others I think. Because there is also a shloka "apavitra pavitrova ...". Here the vighnesa is Vishnu.

@TheDestroyer It is agajaanana padmarkam gajanana maharnisham anekadantam bhaktanam ekadantam upaasmahe. It is added by non-vaishnavates after Shuklambaradharam.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Ok. First two lines. We generally use Agajanana..with it.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Oh, after Shuklam Bharadharam we say Yasyadvirada...

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan oh ok ,got that 😊

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan But Vishnu is Pitamabari, it says "Sukla ambaram" white clothed not yellow. Varna too Sashi Varnam. We know Vishnu is Dark blue or Megha varnam.

Sree Charan

15 hours ago, by Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer It fits Vishwaksena perumal well.

The Destroyer

05:36

@KeshavSrinivasan Do you mean this verse?

यस्य द्विरद वक्त्रादाह पारिशाद्याह परश्शातम
विघ्नं निघ्नन्ति सततं विश्वक्सेनाम तमाश्रये

Yasya Dvirada VaktradaH ParishadyaH Parassatam
Vighnam Nighnanti Satatam Vishvaksenam Tamashraye

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Yeah, that verse.

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan Ok. But why he is not famous?

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer Shukla ambaram also mean white umbrellas. You may see when Brahmotsavas are performed, Vishwaksena pooja is performed. He is seated under white umbrellas.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer In ancient times neither Ganesha nor Vishvaksena were very popular. But then Ganesha rose to popularity later on, in part because of being included in the Panchayatana system. Vishvaksena, on the other hand, didn't rise to popularity, except among Sri Vaishnavas because he is one of the Acharyas of the Sri Vaishnava Guru Parampara.

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan Ambara means which encompasses. It is generally considered as clothes. Could mean umbrella too as it covers.

Sree Charan

05:40

@TheDestroyer Well, he is famous among Sri Vaishnavas. Festivals involving Ganesha became very famous these days. Lokamanya tilak started Ganesh navaratri samoohik puja. This also made Ganesha famous.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Here's how the Sri Vaishnava Guru Parampara goes: Vishnu's shishya is Lakshmi, Lakshmi's shishya is Vishvaksena, Vishvaksena's shishya was Nammalwar, and Nammalwar's shishya was Nathamuni the founder of the Sri Vaishnava sect.

Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan I don't agree completely that Nathamunigal founded Sri Vaishnava sect. It was there before Him too.

@KeshavSrinivasan He revived the Sri Vaishnava sect. That would be more apt.

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan Well, the Sri Vaishnava Sampradayam was there before him, and the Rahasya Traya was there before him. And the ideas of Visistadvaita were already there in the poems of the Alwars. But Nathamuni was the one who took these ideas and used them as the basis of a sect of Hinduism.

Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan Yes.

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan By the way, before Nathamuni's time, and even after Nathamuni's time, the term Vaishnava wasn't really used, instead people used the term Bhagavata to describe the followers of Pancharatra. Also during Nathamuni's time the Sri Vaishnava sect was a very tiny group of people mainly living in the Sri Rangam area. It was Ramanujacharya who turned Sri Vaishnavism into a major sect of Hinduism with large numbers of followers.

Sree Charan

05:47

@Keshav What is the meaning of mishra. As in Sri Rama mishra.

I don't see differences in your edits @KeshavSrinivasan

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan Also, it's only after the time of Ramanujacharya that Sri Vaishnava Brahmins started being referred to as Iyengars. The word Iyengar comes from Ay meaning 5 and Anga meaning limb. So it means "he who performs the five limbs of Sharanagati."

Sree Charan

Also the meaning of mishra in this shloka "Bhootam sarascha mahadahvaya bhattanatha.."" @KeshavSrinivasan

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan It's a term of respect, meaning honorable. So Rama Mishra means "the honorable Rama".

Sree Charan

19 hours ago, by Sree Charan

17 hours ago, by Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan I think you may know the poem "Bhootam sarascha mahadahvaya bhattanatha..." written by Parasara bhattar. In that poem, Why didn't Parasara bhattar include Andal?

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan I've seen a lot of websites that say that the word Sri in that verse refers to Andal.

Sree Charan

05:56

@KeshavSrinivasan OK.

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan I've seen some websites that say Mishra in that verse refers to Madhurakavi Alwar, whereas other websites say that it refers to Kurathalwan.

The Destroyer

in Hinduism, 2 days ago, by Caleb

@Pandya Please stop pinging me from this room every time my avatar is online. Thanks. If I want to chat in here I'll say something.

@Pandya why did he say like that?

Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan That's when I got that doubt.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan But "Mishra" using as honorable title is recent development.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer It's not a recent development, for instance there was the Purva Mimamsa philosopher Mandana Mishra.

Sree Charan

06:03

@TheDestroyer@SwiftPushkar Do you know the verse I am talking about? In that shloka all the names of alwars are mentioned.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan ok. But generally Mishra means blending. I'm wondering why that used for "respectable title".

@SreeCharan Bhootam sarascha mahadahvaya bhattanatha... this verse?

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer You know full verse?

Pandya

@TheDestroyer I pinged him couple of times. Some users don't like pings :P

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan No.

@Pandya ohh.ok.

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan By the way, often instead of the usual list of 12 Alwars, some people make an abbreviated list of 10 Alwars, excluding Andal and Madhurakavi Alwar.

Sree Charan

06:06

@Pandya @TheDestroyer Yeah. Even in ell main room, ping is less very less almost restricted.

భూతం, సరశ్చ మహదాహ్వయ, భట్టనాథ,
శ్రీ భక్తిసార, కులశేఖర, యోగివాహాన్,
భక్తాంఘ్రిరేణు, పరకాల, యతీంద్ర, మిశ్రాన్,
శ్రీమత్ పరాంకుశ మునిం ప్రణతోస్మి నిత్యం ||

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan Look at the list of Alwars in the beginning of Vedanta Desikan's Rahasyatraya Sara: gdurl.com/DViX

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan No ,which verse ?

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan ok. What scripture has this verse?

Sree Charan

भूतम् , सरश्च महदहव्यः , भट्टनाथ ,
श्री भक्तिसार , कुलशेखर , योगिवाहन ,
भक्तांघ्रिरेणु , परकाल , यतीन्द्र , मिश्रााण ,
श्रीमत् परांकुश मुनिम प्रणतोस्मि नित्यम् ||

Pandya

@SreeCharan well, I used to ping "Damkerng T." there and found he is helpful.

Keshav Srinivasan

06:09

@TheDestroyer It's not from scripture, it's a verse composed by the Sri Vaishnava Acharya Parashara Bhattar, who was Ramanujacharya's successor.

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer It is composed by Parasara bhattar, one of the main disciples of Ramanujacharya.

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - ok , but i don't know much About alwar's except they were Saint poet's , but surely want to know more abt them😊

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Q: Bhakti Parampara Saints from South Indian states

I am familiar with some of the Bhakti Parampara Poet-saints from Western and Northen part of India and their works. Some of them are -: Saint Dyaneshwar - commetry on Shree Bhagvat Gita (Dyneshwari, Bhavarthdeepika) Saint Tukaram - Abhanga , Kirtan (community-oriented group singing and dancing ...

history philosophy saint scripture south

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan Actually Parashara Bhattar was the shishya of Govinda Bhattar, and Govinda Bhattar was the shishya of Ramanujacharya.

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan i can't decode Sanskrit names to tamil names.

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan btw, is Sri Sampradaya more popular in South India than other parts?

The Destroyer

06:13

Alvars

The alvars, also spelt as alwars or azhwars (āḻvārkaḷ [aːɻʋaːr], ‘those immersed in god’) were Tamil poet-saints of South India who espoused bhakti (devotion) to the Hindu Supreme god Vishnu or his avatar Krishna in their songs of longing, ecstasy and service. They are venerated especially in Vaishnavism, which regards Vishnu or Krishna as the Supreme Being. Many modern academics place the Alvars date between 5th century to 10th century CE, however traditionally the Alvars are considered to have lived between 4200 BCE - 2700 BCE. Orthodoxy posits the number of alvars as ten, though there are other...

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - You can give answer of above Question , by mentioning some of the alwar saints which you know , and the books or poem they have written , as this question is itself on Alwar saints.😊

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Well, the number of Swaminarayan people and Ramanandis in the world is tiny, so your question basically reduces to "Is the Sri Vaishnava sect more popular in South India than in other parts?", to which the answer is unequivocally yes.

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - Namaste , How r u 😊💐👍

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Because the Alwars and Ramanujacharya were all Tamil people.

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan ok.

yesterday, by Sree Charan

@Pandya When today's shankaracharyas and jeeyars speak about politics and adharma, people (especially media) appear from nowhere saying Why do monks speak about society and politics? They should move to forests and do penance Ignorant peope and media.

@SreeCharan @KeshavSrinivasan I want to know about jeeyars

@SwiftPushkar Namaste, fine and you?

I do know nothing about jeeyar except the idea that they may be related to Ramanujacharya.

Keshav Srinivasan

06:20

@Pandya "Jeeyar" is the Tamil word for "Sri Vaishnava Acharya". As you probably know, the Sri Vaishnava sect has two sub-sects, Thenkalai and Vadakalai. Now each of these sub-sects has a bunch of Mathams belonging to it, and each Matham is headed by a Sri Vaishnava Acharya, just like the four Shankaracharya Mathams in Advaita.

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer - ok 👍 @Pandya - me fine too , by the way some time ago u have given names of 3 upanishad books by gitapress ,can u pls give them again , i will see if they are avaliabl in book store's here.Sanskrit+hindi

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya All Sri Vaishnava Acharyas belong to the Guru Parampara of Ramanujacharya.

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan oh! It means "Sri Vaishnav Acharya" ok.

About the books that I've been reading.

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Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Yeah. By the way, here is the Jeeyar that my Dad's side of the family follows: vanamamalai.us/…

@Pandya And here is the Jeeyar that my Mom's side of the family folllows: ahobilamutt.org/us/acharya/bio/46jeer.asp

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya oh yes , thanks👍👍

Pandya

06:25

@KeshavSrinivasan and in case of Shankaracharya, there are 4 peeth/muth considered main. Are there muth of Sri Vaishnava considered main?

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Well, some Sri Vaishnava Mathams are larger than others. I think the majority of Vadakalais belong to Ahobilam Matham.

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan @TheDestroyer - Also one can give , some basic info abt.this in answer of my Saint question. abt Nayanars

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayanars

Pandya

@SwiftPushkar note down the code no of books:

Dec 29 '16 at 11:26, by Pandya

@Tezz Ok. Btw, It is worth to have Gita Press Gorakhpur books code no. 1421, 577, 582 and 65. (You can search here)

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya On the Thenkalai side, there are 8 main Mathams, as @SreeCharan discussed here:

Dec 14 '16 at 7:37, by Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan Manavala maha muni initiated ashta diggajas(his eight disciples) and initiated mathas at different paces Thiru vengada jeyar was one of them. Chinna jeeyar swami is my acharya. He is the one in the acharya lineage of the matha.

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan And the Acharyas of all muth are called Jeeyar? (As I think in case of Shankaracharya, there can only be 4)

Keshav Srinivasan

06:30

@Pandya Yes, all Sri Vaishnava Acharyas are called Jeeyars. There are only four Shankaracharyas for Advaitins whereas there are many Jeeyars for Sri Vaishnavas.

Pandya

@SwiftPushkar oh! I forgot to ask bout your Vedanta Philosophy. Which one?

@KeshavSrinivasan ok.

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Also, there are some Sri Vaishnavas who don't belong to any Matham at all. They're called "Swayam Acharya" people. For them their father functions as their Acharya. Swayam Acharya people are rare. Usually only the families descended from famous Sri Vaishnava Acharyas are Swayam Acharya people.

Pandya

I've some work; will be back soon...

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya By the way, one difference is that Adi Shankaracharya established Mathams at different places, whereas Ramanujacharya did not. Ramanujacharya just stayed in Sri Rangam, it's only later Sri Vaishnava Acharyas that established Mathams in different places.

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya I like view's of Advaita vedanta more so i am more inclined towards it , but honestly currently i am in a kind state which is mixed-up ,or diffused.

Pandya

06:46

@KeshavSrinivasan Yes, btw, how & when Thenakali and Vedakalai separated?

@SwiftPushkar ok.

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya I discussed this earlier with @SreeCharan:

Dec 30 '16 at 18:16, by Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan It's not known what caused the Thenkalai-Vadakalai split or who was responsible. But what ultimately led to the split was the philosophical differences between the ideas of Vedanta Desikan on the one hand, and Pillai Lokacharya and Manavala Mamunigal on the other hand.

@Pandya The split happened hundreds of years after the time of Vedanta Desikan and Pillai Lokacharya, but their philosophical differences are what are responsible for the split.

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan anyway, both follow & believe in same philosophy of Ramanujacharya's Vishishtadvita right?

Let me read: hinduism.stackexchange.com/a/2835/277

Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan I have once seen a table explaining the mathams started by manavala mahamuni besides the ashta diggajas. The one at muktinath is also one of them. Now I lost that link. So manavala mahamuni initiated many maths at many places in India.

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Yes, they both believe in Visistadvaita, so on the most important stuff they're in agreement.

@SreeCharan Oh, I didn't know that Manavala Mamunigal went to North India.

Sree Charan

@Pandya @KeshavSrinivasan Not only Manavala Mahamuni, but Ramanauajcharya also started Simhasana adhisas to maintain the temples at different places. May be the other jeeyars are among them.

Pandya

06:59

@SreeCharan I think I'm not capable to understand such Tamil words like "Simhasana adhisas" yet.

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan Well, all Thenkalai Jeeyars are in the Guru Parampara of Manavala Mamunigal, and all Vadakali Jeeyars are in the Guru Parampara of Vedanta Desikan. The Guru Paramparas of the rest of Ramanujacharya's 74 disciples have died out.

Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan May be they don't include Andal because she was the incarnation of Bhudevi. Madhurakavi alwar because he was a staunch devotee of nammalwar and didn't compose poems of lord. Did he?

@KeshavSrinivasan I didn't know that.

Pandya

And one more thing I want to know is the relation of Dravida and south India. (as heard Dravida Veda). @TheDestroyer @KeshavSrinivasan

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan Madhurakavi Alwar composed exactly one poem: Kanninun Sirithambu in praise of Nammalwar. He never composed any poems about Vishnu.

Sree Charan

@Pandya Simhasana means throne. adhisha means head. They are sanskrit. They established mathams to preach the message of Ramanujacharya.

Pandya

07:02

@SreeCharan oh! ok

Sree Charan

@KrishnShweta Namste!!!!

Krishn Shweta

@SreeCharan Namaste :)

Sree Charan

@Pandya @KeshavSrinivasan It is said Manavala maamunigal completed what Ramanuacharya left incomplete. So he established many mathams.

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya The term Dravida is used in many Hindu scriptures to refer to South India. Like the Pandavas visited the Dravida land in this chapter of the Vana Parva of the Mahabharata: sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03118.htm

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan You've written Sanskrit Vedas from north for Vedakalai. Btw, are they related to Aaryas?

I'm planning to post a question on Aarya and Dravida. Wil be it on topic? @KeshavSrinivasan

I've also heard that Vedas related to Aaryas and Aagama related to Dravida.

Sree Charan

07:08

@Pandya That's baseless.

@Pandya I didn't understand the meaning of the message. Could you explain?

Pandya

@SreeCharan That's why I want to post question.

@SreeCharan btw, Lunch time for you?

Sree Charan

@Pandya Same as yours :)

Pandya

Pandya: And what is for me?

Sree Charan: Same as mine :)

Pandya: Then what is for both?

Sree Charan: Same as of each other :)

Haha

Sree Charan

LOL

Sree Charan

07:44

Why is there difference between scholarly dating and traditional dating in the lifetime of Alwars? @Keshav

The Destroyer

07:55

@Pandya Dravida is a sanskrit word which used to denote few people who lived to south of Vindhyas.

This idiot

Robert Caldwell

Bishop Robert Caldwell (7 May 1814 – 28 August 1891) was a missionary and linguist, who academically established the Dravidian family of languages. He served as Assistant Bishop of Tirunelveli from 1877. He was described in The Hindu as a 'pioneering champion of the downtrodden' and an 'avant-garde social reformer'. The Government of Tamil Nadu has created a memorial in his honor and a postage stamp has been issued in his name. On the Madras Marina, a statue of Caldwell was erected as a gift of the Church of South India in 1967. == Early life == Robert Caldwell was born at Clady, then in County...

made Dravida equivalent to Tamizh people.

Sree Charan

@KrishnShweta Did you listen to "next enti" song?

Krishn Shweta

08:12

@SreeCharan I didn't.... But now I'll listen to it.

@SreeCharan Hahaha............ Funny!!

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan Scholarls are westerners who think they are "scholars".

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer Ha Ha...

@TheDestroyer Their intention is to tell that No god existed before the age of Christ.

The Destroyer

08:33

@SreeCharan Yes. Rajiva Malhotra says clearly their intention in the book "Breaking India". They wanted to establish Christ Philosophy in Tamilnadu.

SwiftPushkar

10:22

@TheDestroyer - can we answer below question , from padma purana? The Op is asking whether its a vedic or puranic tradition ? can we give the answer and say that its puranic tradition also? without mentioning anything about vedas

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Q: Worshiping Planets a vedic tradition or Puranic tradition

Is Nava Graha worship a vedic tradition or puranic tradition? Is there any references to Nava Grahas in vedsa?

mythology

The Destroyer

13:36

@SwiftPushkar I think OPs main question is whether Vedas mention Navagraha worship.

The Destroyer

13:57

@Tezz Why Lord Shiva is called Vyomakesha who has sky as hair?

Pandya