Vedanta and Philosophy

Sree Charan

02:12

@SwiftPushkar Brahma. But four faces are not depicted.

But there is a peacock feeather too. It may be Vishnu. From where did you get this pic? @SwiftPushkar

Sree Charan

02:43

@SwiftPushkar You may have got confused chaganti koteshwar rao with chinna jeeyar swami .

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - GM , yes , i don't know both & got confused in names 😀

Sree Charan

शुभोदयं @SwiftPushkar

Do you know both of them now? They are different in names and philosophies also.

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - Yoy are correct , the statue looks like a vishnu , maybe some other god , represented as form of vishnu 😊

Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan Which scripture has the story of Lord Hayagriva returning vedas to Brahma?

@SwiftPushkar Yes. It is Vishnu represented as brahma. By the marble statue, I guess it is from northern part of India.

chinnajeeyarswami.blogspot.in/2008/02/…

Chaganti Koteswara Rao

Sri Chaganti Koteswara Rao is an Indian scholar known for his discourses in Sanathana Dharma. A reader of spiritual pravachanams on various puranams and epics like Srimad Ramayanam, Srimad Bhagavatham, Soundaryalahari, Lalithasahasranama strotram etc., his discourses are widely followed and are telecast over television channels such as Bhakti TV and TTD and is quite popular among the Telugu speaking people all over the world. Brahmasri Chaganti Koteswara Rao an eminent preacher, born to Chaganti Sundara Siva Rao, and Suseelamma. He married Subramanyeswary and blessed with two children Shan...

@SwiftPushkar ^^^^

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - i think the peacock feather is in Mukuta मुकुट ie later added ,but not part of original statue.Yes will read that later on , thanks :)

Sree Charan

02:56

@SwiftPushkar That peacock feather is only added to Lord krishna. It represents celebecy of Sri Krishna.

SwiftPushkar

03:08

*idol

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkar In the crown, there are two feathers. I can't understand why is that.

SwiftPushkar

03:29

@SreeCharan - May be , shree krishna or vishnu as Veda- Purusha वेद पुरुष , just a guess , 4 books in 4 hands 📗📘📙📗

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkar Yes. may be. Where did you find the pic? Good find.

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - Just found that , on google images , don't know abt the site , and you are somewht correct , i have seen such idols in many new temples here.

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkar What did you type in the search box?

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - can't remember , that pic.is in my tab since long , lot's of images of various gods downloaded , so can't tell exactly ,

@SreeCharan - Marble idols of god's might also help

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkar @Tezz@TheDestroyer Do you know the story of Hayagriva returning Vedic Knowledge to Brahma and in which purana it is mentioned?

SwiftPushkar

03:44

@SreeCharan - will look for that , wht are other names of Hayagriva since he is not much known here or may be known by diff.name

Sree Charan

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Q: Who was Lord Hayagriva?

I don't have much knowledge about Lord Hayagriva, just known that he was the one who provided vedic knowledge to Lord Brahma,he has horse head, was an avatar of Lord Vishnu, white in color, and symbol of wisdom and knowledge. And this is also not from very trustworthy sources. Wanted to know, hi...

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - Grt.find 😀👍👍

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkar Hayagriva is considered as the source of all the knowledge in Vaishnava tradition like Dakshina murthy(God in tezz's profile pic) in Shaiva tradition.

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - ok , Hayagriva is similar to "
centaur"

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkar No. Hayagriva only has horse head. But a centaur has horse body with human face. The hayagriva incarnation is similar to narasimha incarnation which is half human and half lion.

SwiftPushkar

03:55

@SreeCharan - Yes , that's why said similar , not exact 😊 can you my smilies over your PC?

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkar Yes. I can see but can't type them back.

Dec 23 at 6:46, by Sree Charan

This is a thing I came to know today. Generally a guru's picture is depicted to sit in Virasan(one leg folded and one leg down). Eg Hayagriva, Dakshina murthy.:

SwiftPushkar

04:15

@SreeCharan - yes already seen that ... but i don't know much abt.this The most popular deities here in Maharashtra are - Ganesha , Shankara ,Vitthal ,Dattatraya & krishna ,, mahalaxami , besides there are temples of various saints like "Swami Samartha" "Gajanan Maharaj" Gondavalekar Maharaj etc.but Ganapati & Vithoba are Aaradhya Daivata आराध्य दैवता here in Maharashtra.

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan Story of hayagriva is mentioned in Devi Bagavata.

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkar Added the source to the question you mentioned "Why did Rama tell Lakshmana.... our father"?

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer - Hi bro , Namaskaram.. GM ..😊

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar that answer of Be happy gives three sources Skandha Purana, Devi Bhagvatam and Mahabharata...

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - Hi सुप्रभात , which answer? @SreeCharan - Yes , the video was unavailable some time ago., thanks nice edit😀👍👍👍

@Tezz - ok , answer of Hayariva 😀👍👍

Tezz

04:29

@SwiftPushkar Suprabhatam...😀😀 this answer:

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A: Who was Lord Hayagriva?

Yes, Lord Hayagriva is the avatar of Vishnu with a horse head. Haya means horse and griva means neck. So the deity with a horse head from his neck is known as Hayagriva. The incident of how He got that horse head is present in different scriptures with slight variations. Once in the ancient t...

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - Yes , 👍👍

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar 😀😀👍👍

@SwiftPushkar haha.. just knew that I mentioned you instead of @SreeCharan in that message...

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkar I think you may post a question about the deity in the pic under identification-request tag.

SwiftPushkar

04:52

@SreeCharan - yes , will ask 😊👍

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkar Are you telling me to ask? It's your question.

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - No😀😀 ,that mean "I will ask" , not telling you to do so 😊

Keshav Srinivasan

05:11

@Tezz @Pandya I just posted a question related to Adi Shankaracharya:

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Q: Is Adi Shankaracharya's commentary on the Adhyatma Patala available online in English?

It is well-known that Adi Shankaracharya wrote commentaries on the Bhagavad Gita, the Upanishada, the Brahma Sutras, and the Vishnu Sahasranamam. But there's one commentary that's not as well known. The Apastamba Dharma Sutras primarily discuss the rules of right and wrong, like any Dharma Shas...

philosophy vedanta translation-request adi-shankaracharya dharma-shastras

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan Hmm... I've just read.

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Have you heard of the Adhyatma Patala Bhashya before?

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan No, it's new for me.

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya I just found out about it as well. Apparently it's one of the few philosophical works attributed to Adi Shankaracharya that scholars consider to be authentic.

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan ok. Thanks for pointing out.

Tezz

05:42

@KeshavSrinivasan yes, I had already seen that question...

@TheDestroyer do you have Varaha Purana pdf (Sanskrit English)...?..

The Destroyer

05:58

@Tezz No. I don't have.

Pandya

@Tezz chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/38640?m=34370880#34370880 Do you have?

Tezz

07:11

@Pandya No I don't have Sanskrit + Hindi .. I have Sanskrit separate and English seperate..

@KrishnShweta I'm fine here and I hope you are also fine there😀😀...

@KrishnShweta how are you?..

Krishn Shweta

Ah!! I thought you will ask me what I have deleted :D

Alright here.

Tezz

@KrishnShweta even if you have deleted I can see message as this:

Krishn Shweta

Haha.... Awesome!!

Tezz

Haha. It works only when you are mentioned and then the message is deleted...

Krishn Shweta

True!

Tezz

07:24

👍👍

Krishn Shweta

I hate thumbs up :/

Tezz

👎👎

@KrishnShweta now ok..

Krishn Shweta

lol

Tezz

😀😁

Krishn Shweta

Hmm..

Tezz

07:37

..mmH

Krishn Shweta

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Tezz

??

Krishn Shweta

You lost! That's not the mirror image.

Tezz

¿¿

Krishn Shweta

Sorry! second chance is not allowed.

Tezz

07:41

Everything is mirror image in this universe.. Then how can it be that it's not mirror image.. haha..

Krishn Shweta

How?

Tezz

Because the world is just reflection of the Brahman.. 😁😀

Krishn Shweta

Gosh!!

Tezz

User was removed?...

@SwiftPushkar @KrishnShweta who is removed....?

@TheDestroyer ^^^

Krishn Shweta

Oh!!

@Tezz No idea

SwiftPushkar

07:48

@Tezz - I am still here 😀🙆

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar haha...

sakthi

@tezz @KrishnShweta as a beginneer destroyer told me to start with upanishads, can you tell me what is upanishads and i have heard there are lot of upanishads so which upanishads to start with

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan ^^^ (whose account is deleted)...

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - may be a new user withdrawn himself

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar yes, maybe..

SwiftPushkar

07:52

@KeshavSrinivasan - also pls. delete the yesterday's comment mentioning my username :)

Krishn Shweta

@sakthi I don't know

Tezz

@sakthi start with short Upanishads like Kena Upanishad, Katha Upanishad, Shwetashwatara Upanishad, Aitreya Upanishad, Mundaka Upanishad etc....

sakthi

@Tezz what is upanishads?

Tezz

@sakthi Upanishads are the Jnana Kanda of Vedas.. they can be called as conclusion of Vedas...

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - wht. do you think ➡ can we link the idea of "Mangalsutra" to far back in time , when people used to wear ornaments of sea shells and rocks , wood etc.

sakthi

07:55

@Tezz conclusion means the final answer of objective is in a short format, i am not good in english so only i am asking

Tezz

@sakthi for instance I'm here posting a short important passage from Chhandogya Upanishad:

VI-i-2-3: Having gone (to the teacher’s house) when twelve years old,
he came back when he was twenty-four old, having studied all the
Vedas, conceited, arrogant and regarding himself as very learned. His
father said to him, ‘Svetaketu, dear boy, you, I see, are conceited,
arrogant, regarding yourself as very learned; did you ask for that
teaching (about the Supreme Brahman) through which what is unheard
becomes heard, what is unthought becomes thought of, what is
unknown becomes known ?’ ‘Of what nature, revered sir, is that

clay would become known, for all modifications is but name based
upon words and the clay alone is real;
VI-i-5: Dear boy, just as through a single ingot of gold, all that is made
of gold would become known, for all modification is but name based
upon words and the gold alone is real;
VI-i-6: Dear boy, just as through a single nail-parer all that is made of
iron would become known, for all modification is but name based upon
words and the iron alone is real – such, dear boy, is that teaching.’
VI-i-7: ‘Surely, my revered teachers did not know it, for if they had

@sakthi Upanishads contains these types of knowledge...

@sakthi which languages do you understand?...

sakthi

@Tezz english and tamil

Tezz

@sakthi oh... you may also get Tamil translations of Upanishad... but I'm not sure as I don't know Tamil...

sakthi

@SwiftPushkar which book contians about ghosts

@Tezz how many upanishads are there?

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar haha.. I don't know whether we can relate or not...

@sakthi there are about 108 Upanishads avaliable now.. but many are considered not authentic.... There are about 13 principle Upanishads which are most important....

sakthi

08:01

@Tezz is that 13 enough and can you give me the list

SwiftPushkar

@sakthi - i think ,Garuda purana ,preta kalpa chapter , 👻👽👹👿😈

sakthi

@SwiftPushkar next to upanishads what to study

@KrishnShweta do you know the answer for my question why bhisma,drona,karna and even yudisthra didnt attai moksha?

Tezz

@sakthi see in the last part of my answer here. The names are given there..

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A: Procedures used for preserving the integrity of the Vedas

Very special procedures are applied to preserve Vedas. Here are some of them: 1) Divisional Protection: Veda Výas divides Veda at the end of Dwapar into Rig, Yajur and Sama so that it becomes suitable for men of Kaliyuga so that they can just study part of it as they do not have enough memory a...

sakthi

@Tezz are they enough?

Krishn Shweta

@sakthi I haven't read anything :(
(not even single paper)

Tezz

08:07

@sakthi it's enough if you read all 13 Upanishads... actually it is said that if one fully understands Mandukya Upanishads alone... that is sufficient...

SwiftPushkar

@sakthi - one can practice implementing the teaching , wht he learned from upanishadas , Gita , Ramayana ,MB etc in his day to day life , he can learn abt.yoga or can explore vast knowledge in Hinduism scriptures , he can explore thoughts in other philosophical schools also.

sakthi

@KrishnShweta that is not paper that is a question in this site

Tezz

But fully understanding Mandukya is not an easy task... it's just 12 verses... but deep concept inside it...

sakthi

@Tezz Verses means what?

Tezz

@sakthi I have posted the whole Mandukya Upanishad in my answer here... see it:.

Krishn Shweta

08:10

@sakthi Yeah!! I mean I didn't read any Puranas, Upanishads, bhagavad gita etc.

Tezz

2

A: What is Meaning of Omkar

Mandukya Upanishad is the shortest Upanishad with just 12 slokas.. It deals with the description of Om. Here is what it says: All this is the letter Om. A vivid explanation of this (is begun). All that is past, present, and future is but Om. Whatever transcends the three periods of tim...

@sakthi can you read/understand Devanagari?...

sakthi

@KrishnShweta ok but how are you understanding this site is there a trick

SwiftPushkar

sakthi

@Tezz i never heard of it what is it

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - same thing with me 😀😀⬆⬆

Tezz

08:13

@sakthi Devanagari is a font in which today's Sanskrit is written..

@SwiftPushkar hmm...

Krishn Shweta

@sakthi I just read all the posts. That's it :D

sakthi

@Tezz ok another can you give me

@KrishnShweta see the mahabharatha and ramayana(by sagar arts) and read the works of swami vivekanada it is very simple and is easy

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta - I started with same , gone through posts and then i got some idea abt Concepts in Hinduism 😊

sakthi

@KrishnShweta i am also in your state

Tezz

@sakthi what do you mean by another...?...

sakthi

08:16

@KrishnShweta but some what known

@Tezz sorry another help i asked

Krishn Shweta

@sakthi Yeah!! I have watched Ramayana and Mahabharata TV serials ^.^

sakthi

@Tezz what to do after this completion of upanishads

@Tezz can you give me the link of these 13 upanishads

@KrishnShweta download and see it twice and mahabharatha is one to be good in these knowledge i am saying this because i am doing it

Tezz

@sakthi it depends on you... you may practice meditations taught in these Upanishads... eg. Meditation in Mahavakyas like I am Brahman (Aham Brahmasmi), Brahma Vidyas etc.. or you may read Puranas, Ramayana, Mahabharata etc...

Krishn Shweta

@sakthi Hmm... True.

sakthi

@Tezz thank you and do you have a link

Tezz

08:20

@sakthi here is the link to download:

gita-society.com/108upanishads.pdf

@sakthi it contains all 108 Upanishads.. you may read as per your choice..

The Destroyer

@Tezz @SwiftPushkar i didn't get any notification. Why didn't that user upvote any of my post? :P

sakthi

@Tezz is this in english

Tezz

@TheDestroyer haha lol....

@sakthi yes, it's in English..

@TheDestroyer Keshava also got notified.. see here: hinduism.stackexchange.com/users/36/…

sakthi

@Tezz is this in english

The Destroyer

@sakthi Upanishads have profound meaning in them. They are Knowledge portion of VEdas or Jnana Kanda of vedas. The other portion is Karma Kanda or ritualistic portion. Adi Shankara revived sanatana Dharma with help of Upanishads.

@Tezz yeah. I think Kesava answered his questions and user accepted it.

SwiftPushkar

08:24

@TheDestroyer - don't know , even haven't got notification abt upvote today , or which answer , it's mystery only @KeshavSrinivasan can solve 😀

sakthi

@Tezz i am not a bhramin do i need to study the full manusmriti or some portions

The Destroyer

@sakthi Manu Smriti is no longer applicable for Kali Yuga. Even present Advaita Adishankaras say the same.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer no it's not that.. that user upvoted 1 question and 1 answer of Keshav...

sakthi

@TheDestroyer why garuda purna is brought as it only broughts fear in us of sins and fear causes adharma

The Destroyer

@Tezz could be. Either way.

Tezz

08:26

@sakthi why do you think you should study Manu Smriti.. I think it isn't necessary at all...

sakthi

@TheDestroyer so we dont have study it or other meaning you are mentioning

The Destroyer

@sakthi where did you get this idea that Garuda Purana brought fear and bad luck?

sakthi

@TheDestroyer the tortures in hell creates fear in us right

SwiftPushkar

@Jedi - Hiii , Welcome To Vendanta & philosophy on Hinduism SE!

Tezz

@TheDestroyer no... if it was accepted then reputation would be shown as -15 only... but it shows -10 and -5 so, two posts are related.. (my intrepretation😀😀)...haha

The Destroyer

08:28

@Tezz ohh.. for me it showed only -15

Tezz

@sakthi lol... the ghosts described are not like that you see in TV and movies...

The Destroyer

@sakthi Yeah. We should be careful while we live here. Dharma must be followed. But i think we can't take all of that literally.

sakthi

@Tezz i studied it a 50 or 100 laws and it seems to applicable in todays life like EXAMPLE : Dont tell anything to anyone without asked or not asking in proper manner and many of the answers for the questions are coming in manu scripts

@TheDestroyer which scripts are available only for bhramins

The Destroyer

@sakthi What Brahmins? It depends on state, you live. Sanskrit is available now in Devanagari which is same as lipi of Hindi.

@sakthi In Andhra, Sanskrit is written in Telugu font but i read in Devanagari as i can understand it.

Tezz

@sakthi your name is Sakthi... you are Shiva or Shakti?.. 😀😀

sakthi

08:35

@Tezz i am sakthivel and i put it as sakthi

Tezz

@sakthi means you are female?...

The Destroyer

@Tezz Vel means spear of Kartikeya.

@Tezz Shakthivel is male.

Tezz

@sakthi the laws inside constitution of Germany are also applicable in our life.. but this doesn't mean that it is necessary to read constitution of Germany... 😀😀 haha...

sakthi

@Tezz No i am a male that name is for " Goddess sakthi gave her half of her energy in the form of vel(spear) to lord muruga so it is called sakthivel

Tezz

@sakthi oh ok... sorry for misunderstanding...

sakthi

08:38

@Tezz i understand and is there other laws to be readed in kali yuga

Tezz

@sakthi I saw in this site.. Parashara Smriti is applicable for Kaliyuga (not ManuSmriti)...

sakthi

@Tezz we are devotees of Lord Muruga so there were are using this

@Tezz@TheDestroyer do you have link for parashara smriti

The Destroyer

@Tezz Followers of Adishankara MaTh do say the same.

That Parashara Smriti is for Kali Yuga.

Tezz

I think @Rickross can give you

sakthi

@Tezz will rickross come to this chat room

Tezz

08:41

@sakthi who is older Ganapati or Muruga...?

Krishn Shweta

@Tezz I thought "Finally I've got the company of a Girl in chat room" when I saw the name "Sakthi" but OK....

sakthi

@TheDestroyer do you know the answer for my question why bhisma,drona,karna and even yudisthra didnt attai moksha?

The Destroyer

@sakthi Here is archive.org/details/ParasharaSmriti

Parashara Smriti

sakthi

@Tezz lord ganapati is the elder one

Tezz

@KrishnShweta lol... pityfull😂😂😂

The Destroyer

08:43

@sakthi Yes. They are Avatars of Divine beings and they mingled back with their divine bodies. Moskha is not important for them, establishing dharma is important for them.

Krishn Shweta

@Tezz ^.^

sakthi

@TheDestroyer@Tezz@KrishnShweta@SwiftPushkar all of you know this Lord murugas statue in palani was made of Navapashanam but now it is in normal

@TheDestroyer so they dont think about moksha but take rebirths to save the dharma right.

The Destroyer

@Tezz Only doubt for me is why couldn't ganesha kill Taraka. I think this is related to Tattva of Skanda. Skanda's 6 faces might give answer. what do you think?

sakthi

@KrishnShweta sorry i am a male

@TheDestroyer tarka who is as a lord ganapatis vechicle right?

The Destroyer

@sakthi Devas often help Vishnu and Shiva when they take avatars. Yes and they live for a period of Manvantara.

Krishn Shweta

08:46

@sakthi ^.^ OK. are you a student?

sakthi

@KrishnShweta yes

The Destroyer

@sakthi Taraka is demon who Muruga kills.

sakthi

@TheDestroyer taraka i never heard of . I know suran who was slain by lord muruga

The Destroyer

@Tezz If i get answer for the above question, i can post my analysis for question of elder son of Shiva.

@sakthi Shiva marries Parvathi only to beget Muruga so that Muruga can kill tarakasura. What do you call that demon in Tamil?

@sakthi What is the meaning of Tamil word "Muruga"?

Sree Charan

@sakthi Do you have a link of stories Murugan killing Sooran?

The Destroyer

08:52

@SreeCharan Who is sooran?

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer Muruga is the tamil word of Kartikeya.

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan I know that. But want to know etymology of Muruga?

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer He is one of the brothers of Tarakasura. He has special boons from Lord shiva. Soorapadmasura becomes the peacock(vaahan) and rooster on skanda's flag.

Krishn Shweta

Wow!! All are here. except @Pandya :(

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan Ohh.. ok

sakthi

08:55

@TheDestroyer no lord shiva and paravati was already married and sura was torturing devas and lord shiva was in penance and manmatha striked him with his arrows and lord shiva opened his third eye and that flame was not even stopped by anyone and that flame striked the Vana named "Sar" and lord muruga was born and his name is also Sarvana

The Destroyer

@sakthi ohh.. Is this mentioned in Tamil Version of Skanda Purana?

sakthi

@SreeCharan no i dont have a link but i know the story

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Murugan means "the youth", so it's the Tamil translation of the Sanskrit name Kumara.

sakthi

@TheDestroyer i dont know but many movies for lord muruga were taken and Avvaiyar also brought many songs of it so only i know this

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Ohh ok. Thanks! we use Kumara Swamy in Telugu. So, it is exact equivalent in Tamil.

sakthi

08:58

@TheDestroyer Tamil is the oldest language in the world do you know

The Destroyer

@sakthi haha. Sanskrit is oldest. This is moot topic. Better not discuss this here.

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer Taraka asked a boon to shiva that A person who is born through the physical relationship between Shiva and parvati and not delivered by parvati and he should be the commander of the deva's army and kill me by just one strike. Since Kumara swamy is the only one born that way, Ganesha and any other deity couldn't kill taraka.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan What do you think about stories of Shankara Vijaya? Are they true? It gives info about various persons as different avatars. Shiva as Adi Shankara, kumarila bhatta as Skanda, mandan mishra as Brahma, Ubhaya Bharati as Saraswati.. so on..

@Tezz ^^

sakthi

@TheDestroyer the government has announced it and in every year in tamilnadu they celebrate SenTamil Celebration and most of all tamil does not mixes with sanskrit, you can see this in google by searching the word "SenTamil" in the search box

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz @SwiftPushkar I don't know any way to find out what user was deleted. If you found a post corresponding to the deleted user I could tell you what user it was.

The Destroyer

09:03

@SreeCharan ohh.. where is this boon mentioned? As far as i know, taraka asks boon to get killed by Shiva's son or 7 yr old boy.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer @sakthi Both Sanskrit and Tamil are divine languages. Tamil was taught to Agastya by Kartikeya.

The Destroyer

@sakthi Everything was changed when British came to power. Madurai was heart of Sanskrit Knoweldge in South India when tamil kings were ruling. All those kings conversed with Sanskrit to rest of Bharatha Desa. But Dravida and Arya were got popular only during recent times.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer I'm skeptical of all that stuff. I'm inclined to believe that Adi Shankaracharya was an incarnation of Shiva. But I don't think Kumarila Bhatta, Ubhaya Bharati, etc. we're incarnations. And I'm extremely skeptical of all the stories of miracles recorded in the Shankara Vijayas.

sakthi

@TheDestroyer in tamilnadu many kings in that period before british rule were not good and because of those kstriyas or kings many scriptures were lost

The Destroyer

@sakthi Also, fanatism was imposed on Tamil people about their language. Now, i see some people even comment that tamil is older than Sanskrit. Sanskrit language is eternal. It has no beginning and ending. Even Brahminism and all these vulgar terms were introduced by Britishers.

@KeshavSrinivasan Is tamil like Sanskrit? That is language of Attributes?

sakthi

09:08

@KeshavSrinivasan @TheDestroyer do you Tanjai Periyakovil it has NO SHADOW

@KeshavSrinivasan@TheDestroyer that temple was purely made of ROCK by the king Raja Raja Cholan

Keshav Srinivasan

@sakthi Before British rule there was Muslim rule. Like a lot of Tamil Nadu was ruled b the Arcot Nawab.

@sakthi Are you talking about the Tanjaoor Brihadishwarar temple?

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan - "Tamil was taught to Agastya by Kartikeya." , that's new to me , and yes agree with you on divinity of languages , in fact i do consider all the languages equal ,and respect all indian languages as mine.After all its a gift to humankind (languages) by god.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan But still Sanskrit is unique. It can never die.

sakthi

@KeshavSrinivasan Arcot Nawab was a king but he had no rights for entire tamilnadu but he told british that entire tamilnadu was his and for his debt to be lended to british company he selled tamilnadu to british

@KeshavSrinivasan yes Tanjaoor Brihadishwarar temple it has very unique architecture

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Do you know any puranas which mention Adi Shankara as Shiva other than padma and Bhavishya?

@KeshavSrinivasan But present day Adi Shankaras believe that book.

Keshav Srinivasan

09:13

@TheDestroyer Yeah, I hate the term Brahminism. It makes it sound like people like me who believe in the caste system are part of a different religion than Hinduism.

sakthi

@KeshavSrinivasan also Sri ranganthar temple is the biggest temple and it is very known for its height of Gopura

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan All historians in India are left leaned. So, we hear these terms. Even present day media and they can't digest a Right winged Government ruling at centre.

Pandya

@KrishnShweta So, now 8 users! Have anyone seen/found more than 8 users here?

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Well, if the Purva Mimamsa school is correct about Mleccha languages being present in the Vedas, then perhaps Tamil is also eternal.

sakthi

@TheDestroyer in tamilnadu only brahmins know this vedas and very small amount of people know this knowledge do your states many know this?

Krishn Shweta

09:17

@Pandya Nah!! But @TriyugiNarayanMani Is absent :P

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan It should be like Sanskrit to become eternal. How many Dhatus does Tamil have? I doubt these languages are eternal.

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta - haha , good observation & memory 😇👏👏

Keshav Srinivasan

@sakthi Yeah, I've been to Sri Rangam. I'm a Sri Vaishnava, so Ranganatha has special significance for me.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan it's importance we give them. Ritualistic portion is important but only rituals are not important. So, all schools can be considered as true to certain extent.

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer See this video youtu.be/IKRepH2-6pA?t=4956 .

Tezz

09:19

Mr. Alien is also absent...

Pandya

The Destroyer

@sakthi Same here. Only Brahmins know them. But they are becoming corrupt slowly. They are doing for money only.

sakthi

@KeshavSrinivasan ok

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer @KeshavSrinivasan - which temple you people are talking abt.different architecture , shadow etc.what is the name ?

@Tezz - mr.green

sakthi

@TheDestroyer same here

Keshav Srinivasan

09:20

@sakthi By the way, I'm curious, what sect of Hinduism do you belong to?

Tezz

Oh I mean Ankit Sharma..

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Brihadishwara Shiva Temple.

Brihadeeswarar Temple

"பெருவுடையார் கோயில் - Peruvudaiyar Kovil" (locally known as "Thanjai Periya Kovil") is a Hindu temple dedicated to Lord Shiva located in Thanjavur in the Indian state of Tamil Nadu. It is also known as RajaRajeswara Temple Rajarajeswaram and Brihadeshwara Temple. It is one of the largest temples in India and is an example of Tamil architecture during the Chola period. Built by Raja Raja Chola I and completed in 1010 CE, the temple turned 1000 years old . The temple is part of the UNESCO World Heritage Site known as the "Great Living Chola Temples", with the other two being the Brihadeeswarar Temple...

sakthi

@KeshavSrinivasan sect means caste right

Sree Charan

@Pandya It's the first time that there are 8 active users in the room.

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Keshav Srinivasan

@sakthi No, I didn't ask your caste, sect means belief system. Like are you a Vaishnava or Shaivite?

sakthi

09:21

@SwiftPushkar the big gopura in this image has no shadow on the land

Tezz

@TheDestroyer I don't know why Ganesha didn't kill Tarakasura...

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer - ok 😊👍 @sakthi - ohh i see , so it's a unique architecture 😊👍👍

sakthi

@KeshavSrinivasan we worship all gods and main lord is goddess Shakthi and Maa Kali

The Destroyer

@Tezz Sricharan said is logical and reasonable. But should know where it is mentioned.

sakthi

@SwiftPushkar yes

Sree Charan

09:23

@Tezz @TheDestroyer After watching the video, you will know. The Destroyer will explain to you tezz.

Pandya

@SreeCharan Yes, I think @KeshavSrinivasan may know if happened earlier.

Tezz

@SreeCharan Ok...

sakthi

@Anyone knows the Navapashana lingas and statues

Sree Charan

@Tezz or see this chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/34411135#34411135

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer @KeshavSrinivasan @sakthi - yes , i remember this temple , seen a documentory abt this temple & rajaraja on discovery channel

The Destroyer

09:26

@SreeCharan but i don't know from where Chaganti garu is saying that.

SwiftPushkar

but why words are repeated in name like rajaraja cholachola , is it a style to write names of kings?@sakthi - yes , that's really grt. we are having grt.temple tradition in India😊

sakthi

@SwiftPushkar Modern scientist once informed in news that they cannot explain this No Shadow concept of building after years of reaserach

Keshav Srinivasan

@sakthi Oh ok, is your family Shakta or does your family follow Advaita and have Shakti as Ishta Devata?

sakthi

@SwiftPushkar yes it indicates the chola dyanasty

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer Yes. He also once said about soorapadma asura being changed to peacock and cock. But that video is not available on YT. There must be somewhere. He mentioned "kumarasambhavam" too.

sakthi

09:28

Shakti is Ishta Devata

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan He worships Muruga.

@SreeCharan Did you read Kalidasa Kumarasambhava?

sakthi

@KeshavSrinivasan what is advaita and vasisdavaita

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer No. Couldn't find it with english translation. There are only few verses available on the internet. May be I should go to a library or somewhere.

Tezz

@SreeCharan oh ok... I didn't knew that... which scripture mention it..? Btw do you know upto how much time Ganesha/Kartikeya live (yrs/yugas)... .?..

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan I can give you english translation but that was from foreign author.

Tezz

09:32

"No Shadow concept of building " What is it?...

The Destroyer

@Tezz I know ganesha participating during fight with taraka.

Sree Charan

@Tezz Me and TheDestroyer were discussing about it in our previous messages.

sakthi

@Tezz the shadow of the gopura does not falls on the ground

Tezz

@sakthi what is it? Is it temple?...

@TheDestroyer where did you read it..?

sakthi

@Tezz yes see the above Brihadeeswarar Temple link

Keshav Srinivasan

09:35

@sakthi Advaita is the belief that the Jivatma (the individual soul) and Paramaat a (the supreme soul) are the same, Dvaita is the belief that Jivatma and Paramatma are different, and Visistadvaita is the belief that Jivatma and Paramatma have a body-soul relationship.

The Destroyer

@Tezz Nagara Khanda of Skanda Purana

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - its a temple very famous all over the world in Tanjawar ,called Brihadeeshwara Temple , built by grt. king RAjaRaja

Keshav Srinivasan

@sakti Advaita people follow Adi Shankaracharya, Dvaita people follow Madhvacharya, and Visistadvaita people like myself follow Ramanujacharya. Does your family follow any Acharya?

sakthi

@KeshavSrinivasan Visistadvaita body-soul relationship i cannot understand

SwiftPushkar

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brihadeeswarar_Temple

@Tezz⬆⬆

The Destroyer

09:37

@Tezz

Tezz

A widely held belief is that the shadow of the Vimana never falls on the ground. .[18] However, several photographs exist showing the shadow on the ground.[19] The temple is said to be made up of about 60,000 tons of granite.

Keshav Srinivasan

@sakthi Visistadvaita says that all Jivatmas are part of a larger whole called Paramatma, and also Paramatma is the inner self of the Jivatma.

sakthi

@KeshavSrinivasan we dont have any acharya

Tezz

@TheDestroyer oh ok...

Keshav Srinivasan

@sakthi Body-soul relationship means that just as the Jivatma is the soul of the body, Paramatma is the soul of the Jivatma.

@sakthi Oh ok

sakthi

09:40

@KeshavSrinivasan advaita indicates that the body has both jivatma and paramattma right

Tezz

@TheDestroyer do you have all volumes of Skandha Purana in pdf...?

The Destroyer

@Tezz yes. all 23 volumes

@Tezz but last parts are not interesting. Pligrimage guide :P

Tezz

@TheDestroyer oh nice... how much mb are they in total..?

The Destroyer

@Tezz i think 500 MB

Tezz

@TheDestroyer ok... upto what page no. is it?...

Keshav Srinivasan

09:42

@sakthi Advaita indicates that Jivatma and Paramatma are the same thing. It's just that people don't realize their true nature due to Avidya or ignorance.

The Destroyer

@Tezz Which one?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer the 23rd Volume?..

The Destroyer

@Tezz do you want total no of pages of all 23 volumes?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer yes...

sakthi

@KeshavSrinivasan Dvaita is the belief that Jivatma and Paramatma are different how ?

@KeshavSrinivasan different means both are in seperate way in body ?

The Destroyer

09:44

@Tezz i didn't combine them.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer ok leave it... I just wanted to compare it with Mahabharata...

@TheDestroyer I think there are about 88000 verses in Skandha Purana.. but Mahabharata contains 100000 verses...

The Destroyer

@Tezz yes. Mhb is bigger text than SkP

sakthi

@KeshavSrinivasan advaita and visistadvaita look the same to me as there is no difference as Visistadvaita is jivatma's inner self parmatma and advaita as jivatma has paramatma as its soul (INNER SELF) what is the difference

The Destroyer

@sakthi See this

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Q: Differences between Advaita & Vishishtadvaita

As we know that (and Keshav Srinivasan has written many times): The most popular school of Hindu philosophy is the Vedanta school And there are sub schools of Vedanta which are graphically shown here: Among them Advaita (अद्वैत) & Vishishtadvaita (विशिष्टाद्वैत) are the most popular scho...

advaita vishishtadvaita

sakthi

@TheDestroyer does this also explains dvaita ?

The Destroyer

09:52

@sakthi No.

sakthi

@TheDestroyer Dvaita is the belief that Jivatma and Paramatma are different how both are in seperate way in body or in a inner self i need clearence

Sree Charan

@Tezz 7792 pages along with venkatachala mahatyam.

Tezz

@SreeCharan Oh ok.. Mahabharata of KMG contains 5818 pages.. but as it is scanned and in paragraph form... so I think it occupied less space...

Pandya

@TheDestroyer Actually I posted answer at:

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A: Dvaita vs Advaita vs Vishistadvaita vs Shuddhadvaita vs any other

Q. I hear these terms Dvaita, Advaita, Vishistdvaita, Shuddhadvaita, and may be any other XYZdvaita, etc in most of the questions but I am not very sure what do they refer to. There are six Darshan (षडदर्शन) i.e philosophy in Hinduism which are Samkhya, Yoga, Nyaya, Vaisheshika, Mimamsa and ...

Tezz

@TheDestroyer previously you had sent me Brahmanda Purana part 4.. but now I can't access that link.. why is it so...?..

SwiftPushkar

10:17

downvids.net/…

Krishn Shweta

10:38

Hmm... Nothing

@Tezz Look our selfie :P

1 hour ago, by Pandya

Tezz

@KrishnShweta yes, I do remember... you wanted to go there to meet a person...

Krishn Shweta

@Tezz see this

Tezz

@KrishnShweta haha.. lol.. our selfie..

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta- 😂😂 so you muted him 😷

Tezz

@KrishnShweta ok.. I just saw that.. 😀😀

Krishn Shweta

10:48

@SwiftPushkar I never want to mute him.

SwiftPushkar

@KrishnShweta - yes , i know that , it was just a mistake

Tezz

I didn't knew about Mute in chatroom upto now..

Krishn Shweta

@Tezz If you click "Ignore this user"

SwiftPushkar

by the way .. questions are piling on main , we need to look into those also , so come-on guys let's celebrate a day called "All questions answerd" day💻📄📝☑

Tezz

Yes:...

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