Vedanta and Philosophy

Pandya

02:58

@KeshavSrinivasan What was the time period of Dramindacharya and Thirumaxhisai Alwar?

@Tezz Can you start a small bounty (50-100) on my Agama question?

I've asked you as you've overcome all privileges!

Tezz

04:23

@Pandya Ok Thank You! I just offered bounty of 100 on your question:...

@KeshavSrinivasan I do not know much about Alwars and their time periods...

Pandya

04:56

@Tezz Dhanyavad!

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Well, it depends on how you ask. According to traditional Sri Vaishnava accounts, Thirumazhisai Alwar was born in the Dwapara Yuga, as I discuss here:

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Q: Why does Thirumazhisai Alwar say the Pandava Thoothar statue of Krishna is older than him?

The Alwars (also spelled Azhwars) are a group of 12 ancient Vaishnava saints who lived in Tamil Nadu and are famous for their devotional poetry in praise of Vishnu. The collection of their 4000 poems, known as the Naalayira Divya Prabhandam, is considered by many to be the "Dravida Veda", or Sout...

@Pandya But according to Western Indologists, the Alwars lived between the 6th and 9th century AD.

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan ok

@KeshavSrinivasan Hmm... I wanted to know whether pre-Shankara or not?

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Yes, regardless of whether traditional Sri Vaishnava accounts are correct or Western Indologists are correct Thirumazhisai Alwar was definitely pre-Shankara.

@Pandya If Sri Vaishnava accounts are correct, all the Alwars were born thousands of years before Adi Shankaracharya. If Western Indologists are correct, Thirumazhisai Alwar lived about 70 years before Adi Shankaracharya.

Pandya

05:26

@KeshavSrinivasan Ok, regardless of whether Western Indologists correct, I'll always appreciate (or accept the view of) the tradition of Sri Vaishnava.

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan - Vannakam 😊@Pandya - Namaste - 💐 what's up

Pandya

@SwiftPushkar Namaste

SwiftPushkar

05:45

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Q: Is invincibility in a battle dharma or adharma?

Background: Many warriors like Bhishma, Indrajit, etc., had boons which made them invincible in a battle. Even Karna had Kavacha and Kundalas which made him invincible (or almost immortal) in any battle. If one battles with invincibility then there is no chance for him to be defeated by other...

mythology mahabharata ramayana dharma bhishma

Sree Charan

07:28

@KeshavSrinivasan In Sri Vaishnava guruparampara, Is Parankusha dasa same as Mahapurna?

The Destroyer

08:05

@Pandya To be precise, all traditions are relatively true in Maya. Such is the delusive power of Maya. :P

Keshav Srinivasan

08:47

@SreeCharan No, Parankusa Dasa is completely different from Mahapurna. Mahapurna, aka Periya Nambi, was the shishya of Yamunacharya and the guru of Ramanujacharya. Parankusa Dasa was a far earlier figure. Parankusa Dasa was the shishya of Madhurakavi Alwar.

@SreeCharan Parankusa Dasa was the one who taught Nathamuni the Kanninun Sirithambu of Madhurakavi Alwar, which is what Nathamuni used to get Nammalwar to appear before him as I discuss here:

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Q: What is the secular account of the compilation of the Alwars' poems?

The Alwars (also spelled Azhwars) are a group of 12 ancient Vaishnava saints who lived in Tamil Nadu and are famous for their poetry in praise of Vishnu. The 4000 verses of the Alwars were compiled by the Vaishnava Acharya Nathamuni into a book called the Naalayira Divya Prabhandam, which is cons...

history vaishnavism sri-vaishnava alwar tamil

@SreeCharan If you read my question, you'll see that at one place I refer to "someone in the town". That person is Parankusa Dasa.

@SreeCharan By the way, the reason he's called Parankusa Dasa is that Parankusa is a name of Nammalwar, so just as Madhurakavi Alwar was devoted to Nammalwar, Madhurakavi Alwar's shishya was also devoted to Nammalwar.

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - HI :) is there Samdurda manthan part in shiva purana ?

Keshav Srinivasan

@SwiftPushkar Vanakkam

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar नमस्कारम् 😀😀

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan - yes , how are you :)

@SreeCharan - नमस्कारं , कैसे हैं आप ? आज कल क्या पढ़ रहें है?

Sree Charan

09:03

@KeshavSrinivasan Do you chant guruparampara? In that the name of parampara comes just before Ramanuja and after yamaunacharya. that's why I got the doubt.

@SwiftPushkar पुष्कर जी मैं ठीक हूँ. कुछ नहीं बस ऐसे इन्टरनेट पर घूम रहा हूँ.

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan - Is there any relations in the terms "Rushi &Saints" .Wht i mean is both are learned one in Shastras and can perform miracles ( i think Saints never cursed anyone ) , but when the term Saint has been in use.Seen the term Saint in bhagvatam but jt mostly talk abt. Rushis.

@SreeCharan - ohh , ok , it's really nice to know that 😊👍

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar I do not know of Shiva Purana chapter discussing Samudra Manthan.. but it is extensively discussed in Skandha Purana...

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - ok ,will look into that 😊👍👍 , just needed more ref.to add in my answer. Is tring to improve some of my previous answsrs.

Sree Charan

@Tezz do you have skanda purana with you?

Pandya

@SreeCharan तो कहाँ तक पहोंचे आप घूमते घूमते?

SwiftPushkar

09:18

@Pandya - ha ha , thats really , funny , its nice to see you in joking mood :)

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan No, I don't chant the Guru Parampara. I only know the Lakshminatha Samarambham Shloka, although I don't chant that either.

@SwiftPushkar Where have you seen saint used in Bhagavatam? In any case saint is an English word, so different people translate it differently into Sanskrit.

@SreeCharan So you're saying that the name Parankusa Dasa comes between Yamunacharya and Ramanujacharya in the Sri Vaishnava Guruparampara?

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan - yes agree with you , the term in bhagvatam is not exactly used to mention a saint but rather used as Saintly people , i will give you the verse. i am also surprised to see the word , so asked , may be , later addition

Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan I chant guru parampara. Which goes like this. १. ॐ अस्मद्गुरुभ्यो नमः ॐ अस्मद्परमगुरुभ्यो नमः श्रीमते रामानुजय नमः then श्री परान्कुश दासाय नमः then comes श्रीमद यामुनमुनये नमः then it goes to shreemannarayana. This is called vaakya guruparamapara.

@Pandya Hinduism SE तक.

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - equally good answer :) like serva deva namaskaram keshavam pratigachhati. I am saying "serva site searchanam Hinduism SE pratigaccati"

Sree Charan

books.google.co.in/…

See this link @KeshavSrinivasan @TheDestroyer @SwiftPushkar @Tezz @Pandya ^^^^^

Pandya

09:29

@SreeCharan तो ultimately आप Vedanta and Philosophy तक आ ही गये! ☺

@SwiftPushkar So, haven't you seen me in this mode before?

Sree Charan

@Pandya हाँ :)

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - no not , but like to see u in such evertime :)

@SreeCharan - is it skanda purana , oh then why "s" is omitted

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkar It's skanda purana but the way word changes in Tamil language.

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan- ohh ok , thanks for the link :) good find

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkar I have skanda purana part 1 but the above part in the link is I want.

Pandya

09:43

@SwiftPushkar no-problem, actually the mood of discussions depends upon topic and the nature of whom with we are talking. You can find the expected mood by means of the nature of talk! :)

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - yes , agreed

SwiftPushkar

10:04

@Tezz @KeshavSrinivasan - A imp question to you both , do we need to consider the litral meaning provided below the verse in texts like Gita , puranas , or Mahabharata , Ramayana etc.OR we need to read the commentary by various aacharya first and to see the real meaning of the verse , and should then use it in answer.Wht.is recommend while providing verses frm texts in answer related to "How we should interpret verses"

SwiftPushkar

10:16

eg. ⬆⬆ Can we use this verse , as it is - vedabase.com/en/sb/11/22/39 if someone asks question like How the death occurs or what exactly is death etc.Or we need to , go through commentary and to check real meaning given by various people and then decide , whether to use the verse in answer or not.

Tezz

11:44

@SreeCharan No, I don't have Skandha Purana with me.. but I know Samundra Manthan is also described in Skandha Purana as me and @TheDestroyer discussed earlier...

@SwiftPushkar what I think is literal meaning also provides real meaning in many cases... but for some difficult verses what I prefer is either to explain it through other scriptures or through commentary of Acharya... (if both option are not avaliable I try to explain it myself)...

The Destroyer

12:25

@SreeCharan do you want Skanda Purana? Which part?

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - Ok 😊👍@TheDestroyer - Namaskaram 🙏💐

The Destroyer

13:09

@SwiftPushkar Namaskaram

Pandya

@TheDestroyer I need Mahabharata Shanti Parva (Sanskrit+Hindi).

The Destroyer

@Pandya i don't have Sanskrit Hindi MhB

Pandya

@TheDestroyer Oh! ok. Btw, which language do you prefer to read Scriptures in Sanskrit+Telugu or Sanskrit+ English or Sanskrit+ English?

I mean Sanskrit+Hindi (mistakenly written English twice)

The Destroyer

@Pandya I generally read in Sanskrit and English. Most of the scriptures are translated to Classic Telugu and Classic Telugu is almost Sanskrit (i can understand 70-80% of it). There are very few scriptures in Simple Telugu. So, i prefer English over telugu where i can use Merriam Webster dictionary rather than finding difficulties in searching meanings of Telugu or Sanskrit words.

The Destroyer

13:48

@Pandya did you get any clarification mail from "Indianscriptures" about copyright status?

Pandya

15:08

@TheDestroyer Not yet. I think my mails might be ignored, you can try yourself

The Destroyer

@Pandya I mailed publishers asking clarification on copyright status of puranas. They didn't reply. I even linked Indianscriptures site in the mail. Awaiting mail from them.

@Pandya Ok. I will mail them.

Pandya

15:25

@TheDestroyer ok

Keshav Srinivasan

16:31

@SreeCharan OK yeah, it looks like Parankusa Dasa is another name for Periya Nambi: guruparamparai.wordpress.com/2012/09/01/periya-nambi So it looks there are two people called Parankusa Dasa. Nammalwar had many devotees :-)

Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan Yes.

Krishn Shweta

I want one help...

Sree Charan

@KrishnShweta Hello.

Krishn Shweta

I just googled about Soodras so gone through this link

nirmukta.com/2011/08/27/…

@SreeCharan Hello!!

Sree Charan

@KrishnShweta What is your doubt? Is it about manusmriti?

Krishn Shweta

16:39

Title of that article is "Status of women" so dragged me to look. So......... few lines are:
One should not marry women who has have reddish hair, redundant parts of the body [such as six fingers], one who is often sick, one without hair or having excessive hair and one who has red eyes.

"Wise men should marry only women who are free from bodily defects, with beautiful names, grace/gait like an elephant, moderate hair on the head and body, soft limbs and small teeth."

The Destroyer

@KrishnShweta Most are mistranslated. read here

Sree Charan

Manusmriti is the most disputed scripture I know. Many people reject that.

The Destroyer

स्वभाव एष नारीणां नराणामिह दूषणम् ।
अतोऽर्थान्न प्रमाद्यन्ति प्रमदासु विपश्चितः ॥ २१३ ॥

svabhāva eṣa nārīṇāṃ narāṇāmiha dūṣaṇam |
ato'rthānna pramādyanti pramadāsu vipaścitaḥ || 213 ||

It is the very nature of women to corrupt men. It is for this reason that the wise are never unguarded regarding women.—(213)

That random site says

1. “Swabhav ev narinam …..” – 2/213. It is the nature of women to seduce men in this world; for that reason the wise are never unguarded in the company of females.

See commentary:

Medhātithi’s commentary (manubhāṣya):

It is the nature of women that they make men fall off from their fidelity: by associating with men, women would make them deviate from their vow.

For this reason the wise are never ‘unguarded’; i.e., they shun women from a distance;—‘unguardedness’ would consist in touching her and so forth.

It is in the very nature of things that a young woman, when touched, produces a disturbance in the mind; and this mental disturbance itself has been interdicted, to say nothing of other vulgarities.

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer Apart from the skanda purana you have mailed me, is there other parts too? The question about "Cock and peacock" can be answered from Skanda purana.

The Destroyer

@KrishnShweta Read from here

wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/…

@SreeCharan I think it doesn't have Skanda Purana

@SreeCharan Ok. I will search the fat book

Sree Charan

16:43

I downloaded from your post. @TheDestroyer

The Destroyer

@KrishnShweta Also, Manusmriti is not applicable for Kali Yuga. Parashara Smriti is applicable for Manusmriti

Sree Charan

@KrishnShweta How is everything going on?

Krishn Shweta

@TheDestroyer Thanks!! I was just looking for "soodra" meaning. When I saw that link I felt bad.

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan Ohh ok.

Krishn Shweta

@SreeCharan Good.. :)

The Destroyer

16:45

@KrishnShweta which verse?

Sree Charan

Manusmriti Dahan Din

The Manusmriti Dahan Diwas (Manusmriti Burning Day), during the Great struggle (Maha-Sangharsha) of Mahad Satyagraha, was day on 25 December 1927 that Manusmriti (an ancient Cast system-upholding text of Hinduism) was publicly burned by Dr. B. R. Ambedkar. It was an important mile stone in Dalit struggle against Brahminism by Dalits led by Babasaheb Ambedkar. Manusmriti (or Manusmṛti) is probably the most burnt book in India every year by Dalits and Ambedkarites. Dr. Ambedkar came from Bombay by boat "Padmavati" via Dasgaon port, instead of Dharamtar, though it is longer distance, because in the...

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan Political parties are misusing Ambedkar.

Sree Charan

@KrishnShweta Are you learning any new stotras?

Krishn Shweta

@TheDestroyer "Which verse?" I'm talking about that link.

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan And moreover, constitution of India was framed was many people. But they credited to it Ambedkar alone.

@KrishnShweta ok

Krishn Shweta

16:47

@SreeCharan Nah!!

SwiftPushkar

Hiiii All 💐🙏👍

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer Yes. They have framed ambedkar as a person belonging to particular caste.

Krishn Shweta

@SreeCharan Hello!

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkar नमस्ते भ्राता पुष्कर

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - वंदन , बंधू , श्री चरण , 👍👍

Sree Charan

16:50

@KrishnShweta IF you are interested, visit Raghava reddy a YT channel. I learnt shivatandava stotram from there.

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan भ्राता का मतलब क्या है?

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer brother

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan अच्छा टीक..

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer -it means broother , but this word mostly used by Buddhist .We do not use THIS word 😊

Krishn Shweta

@SreeCharan Okay.

Sree Charan

16:52

But the word has its roots in sanskrit. "Brother" came from Bhratha.

@TheDestroyer @KrishnShweta Do you know Katamarayuda song (original)?

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan Yeah. I know.

It describes Dashavatara..

Krishn Shweta

@SreeCharan I don't know

Movie?

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan She doesn't watch movies. So, she might not know it.

Krishn Shweta

@TheDestroyer True!! ^.^

@SreeCharan So should I watch that song?

Sree Charan

Dasavatharam. Kaatama Rayuda Bethrai Saami Devuda

►

It was originally a folk song dedicated to Narasimha swamy at kadiri.

Krishn Shweta

16:57

Okay. I'll watch it tonight..

The Destroyer

@KrishnShweta అసలు సినిమాలు చూడకపోతే ఇలాగే ఉంటుంది :P

@SreeCharan ramojifoundation.org/flipbook/201310/magazine.html#/18

Sree Charan

చదువుల్లోనే మునిగిపోయిందేమో? :)

Krishn Shweta

@TheDestroyer Emo... Chinnapatnundi Salman v movies chusedaani. Anthe... But ippudu avi kuda chudatle.

@SreeCharan Ledu...

@SreeCharan I don't even use FB and whatsapp ^.^

Sree Charan

OK.

That's great. Who is your ishta daivam?

Krishn Shweta

Lord Krishna.

Sree Charan

17:05

@SwiftPushkar Back to your old profile picture? Why don't you pick a new one?

Krishn Shweta

@SreeCharan You told you are a student.

B.tech?

Sree Charan

Yes. @KrishnShweta B.tech and same course as yours. and you are my super senior.

Krishn Shweta

Hmm... Cool

So how are the subjects?

Sree Charan

Confusing. It takes some time to settle down. As new semester started a week ago.

Krishn Shweta

yeh tho bus shuruvaath hai. Chukkalu chusthav :D

Sree Charan

17:12

:D

Krishn Shweta

One suggestion... Go through IndiaBix.com and try to solve the quiz when you have time.

Sree Charan

Are you preparing for any govt. job?

Krishn Shweta

No!! I want to do job anywhere but I must earn "The engineer Girl" tag

Sree Charan

Are you trying for a job in core?

Krishn Shweta

Yeah. To fulfill that I must go for core company.

Sree Charan

17:20

You said you won't watch movies. What do you do in leisure? Visit this site often.

Krishn Shweta

Yeah...

Most of the time EE. SE...

Sree Charan

@KrishnShweta But your rep is more here.

Krishn Shweta

Haha... true!! have you gone through any post there?

Sree Charan

No. I have profiles on Hinduism and english learners .SE

Krishn Shweta

OK...

Sree Charan

17:35

Bye. @KrishnShweta. TTYL

Krishn Shweta

Bye!

Krishn Shweta

20:01

@TheDestroyer@Tezz I was trying to remember all the things which you both keshav pushkar and me discussed earlier. (Was trying to revise in my mind. I mean not looking at our chat) suddenly Ashwathama's pic flashed.

Feeling scared now. Lol

^.^

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