Vedanta and Philosophy

Keshav Srinivasan

06:43

@TheDestroyer I can't find what language sata meaning wooden vessel is from.

@TheDestroyer Chennappa was a local ruler who ruled the area that Chennai is located in.

@TheDestroyer "BTW, Chenna Kesava Swami in Guntur district of Andhra only accepts Dalit Priests." That sounds horrible, it's another sign that we're living in the Kali Yuga.

Krishn Shweta

@KeshavSrinivasan I think you aren't sleepy tonight also (According to US time now)

Keshav Srinivasan

@KrishnShweta Haha yeah, I tend to sleep late and wake up late.

Krishn Shweta

@KeshavSrinivasan Hmm... So what you doing now?

Keshav Srinivasan

06:58

@KrishnShweta Nothing much, I'm writing a question related to the Purva Mimamsa Sutras.

Krishn Shweta

@KeshavSrinivasan Okay....

Keshav Srinivasan

@KrishnShweta If you don't know what Purva Mimamsa is, see my answer here:

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A: Was the Purva mimansa an atheist school?

Purva Mimamsa was a school of philosophy founded by the sage Jaimini whose central dogma was that the Vedas were Apaurusheya or authorless. Other schools also believed that the Vedas were Apaurusheya in the sense that they had no human author, but Purva Mimamsa went one step further in saying th...

Krishn Shweta

@KeshavSrinivasan Yeah.... I don't know ^.^ I'll look at that.

The Destroyer

08:36

@KeshavSrinivasan Lol. The story is Villagers exiled Dalits from entering Temple. But a dalit saved Lord from some calamity. So, Divine voice said he would only accept Pooja from Dalit and his progeny. So, that family learned all Vedas and required Mantras.

@KeshavSrinivasan No. It's not like that. Vishnu doesn't see this caste or birth. He sees Bhakthi only.

*as they are entering temples.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Sriman Narayana certainly cares about Bhakti, but there are still rules of right and wrong.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan These rules are only for better society. But Bhakthi> rules. So, Lord allowed that Dalit family.

@KeshavSrinivasan BTW, it is Telugu not Telegu.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer I'm skeptical of that story. In any case, this web page says that these priests learn Agamas but not Vedas: hindunet.org/hvk/articles/0702/127.html

@TheDestroyer In any case, it's fine for these people and all people to have Bhakti, but they shouldn't violate the principles of Dharma.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan I saw in Telugu news channel. They said Vedas and Agamas.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer If they're learning Vedas that is terrible. This is exactly what Hindu scripture prophesied would happen in the Kali Yuga.

The Destroyer

08:50

@KeshavSrinivasan Yeah. But with time many things degrade. So, there's possibility of misapprehensions and interpolations. So, we are coming to same block of our debate on caste System.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Yeah, we're not likely to resolve that here.

@Tezz @TheDestroyer I just posted a question about the Mleccha languages issue we were discussing:

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Q: What Mleccha languages are used in the Vedas according to Purva Mimamsa?

As I discuss in this question, by far the most popular school of Hindu philosophy is the Vedanta school, which bases its tenets on the doctrines laid out in the Brahma Sutras, a work by the sage Vyasa that summarizes and systematizes the philosophical teachings of the Upanishads. (You can read th...

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Yeah. This applies perfectly if we apply Guna. All people are Shudra by Guna even some Brahmnis (by birth). So, all corrupted politicians are Shudras and Satva Guna people are serving these Politicians (Shudras). It's exactly happening as described in scriptures.

@KeshavSrinivasan Yeah. Can you change spelling of "Telugu". It is Telugu not Telegu.

@KeshavSrinivasan I thought Tamara was Sanskrit.

@KeshavSrinivasan We also use Kamala, the same Sanskrit word.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Well, I think birth and gunas coincide, it's just that society leads people to deviate from their Varna Dharma due to Western influences.

@TheDestroyer Wikipedia says it's also spelled Telegu:

Telugu

Telugu (also spelled Telegu) may refer to: Telugu language, a major Dravidian language spoken in the Indian states of Andhra Pradesh and Telangana Telugu script, used to write the Telugu language Telugu (Unicode block), a block of Telugu characters in Unicode Telugu people, an ethnolinguistic group of India == See also == Telugu development, Telugu language development issues Telugu cinema, also known as Tollywood Telugu Warriors, are a cricket franchise that plays in the Celebrity Cricket League...

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan - My questions are not been instantly posted ,even in active list. Can you please check about this

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Lol wiki. it is तेलुगु.

"lu".

Keshav Srinivasan

08:59

@TheDestroyer oh ok

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Supposed origin is "Trilinga" - "Tenunu"- telungu - Telugu. BTW, Telangana is named after Telugu or Trlinga Desha.

@KeshavSrinivasan Some tamilians pronounce it as Telungu.

Keshav Srinivasan

@SwiftPushkar Sometimes it takes a few minutes for the active list to update. But if you want to see immediately if your question has been posted or not, go to your profile page and it should be there.

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar I think everyone face this problem.

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan ok I saw it...

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Yeah, we pronounce it as Telungu.

Tezz

09:02

@SwiftPushkar if you quit browser and reopen ... then you will see it...

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer By the way, what is the reason for the split between Telangana and Andhra Pradesh? Is it a language difference or a cultural difference or what?

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer @KeshavSrinivasan @Tezz - ok guys , i just posted a new question :) all of you pls. See that :)

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar oh I just watched it.. but I first time heard the name Atiratra Yajnam.

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan @Tezz @TheDestroyer - as you people were discussing about vatious yagnas, i searched ,and came across this , @Tezz - ya i also never heard abt that.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnicayana

The Destroyer

09:17

@KeshavSrinivasan In 2014 it was pure political movement. But when Andhra was split from Tamilnadu after death of Potti Sriramulu, India decided to form states based on Languages. So, Andhra state was formed. After kicking out Nizam (he wanted to unite it with Pakistan) from Hyderabad state, we decided to join with telugu regions of Hyderabad state. But Hyderabad or original Telanganana (subset of hyderabad state) didn't want to join us as we were proficient in English and Telugu.
telangana people were proficient in Urdu due to Nizam's rule. So, Andhra people got Government Jobs and this ne…

@KeshavSrinivasan Even Andhra culture was dominated in Hyderabad. Most of Telugu actors are from Andhra and All Chief ministers are from Rayalaseema (where Tirupati lies) except NTR.

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan - yes Agnihotra is also fall in that catagory , so should i modify the question to "What is agnihotra" or shall i keep it as it is?

@Tezz - what do you think ?

The Destroyer

@Tezz You wrote such a long question.

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan @Tezz @TheDestroyer - i have made little modification in question , so as to call these a whole system rather than a single yagna.

The Destroyer

09:34

@Tezz If Isana is for formless or Nirakara, why did Brahma give name Isana for Sakara ?

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer - Yes both @Tezz and @KeshavSrinivasan do lot's of research on questions

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Yeah. Especially on Vedas and Upanishads.

@SwiftPushkar Tezz does lot of research on Shiva. I learned a lot about Shiva after reading his answers.

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer - Yes , also your previous question are really good , as i was not here back then , but gone through them afterwards 😊

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Thanks! Your way of writing answers is good. Highlighting important parts in bold.

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer - like we all do in exams :) that clarify exactly what one wants . :)👍

Tezz

09:45

@TheDestroyer haha... it became long on clarifying... btw did you understand my question....?

The Destroyer

@Tezz Ishana is used for both formless and form.

"Through Prajapati he was born. He became Mahadeva. He became Ishana. He is NilaLohita."

Tezz

@TheDestroyer it isn't necessary that Ishana always represents formless... Ishana is fifth head of SadaShiva... Ishana is one of the AshtaMurti... Ishana is one of Ashtadigpala... Ishana is Shankara himself...

The Destroyer

@Tezz Yeah. but then why did you emphasize on that point above?

"But these 8 forms are always invisible and one can't see them".

Tezz

@TheDestroyer AshtaMurti forms are invisible...

He entered in fire... in water...

The Destroyer

@Tezz always?

@Tezz I'm not clear.

Tezz

09:50

10. He said to him, 'Thou art Rudra 2.' And because he gave him that name, Agni became suchlike (or, that form), for Rudra is Agni: because he cried (rud) therefore he is Rudra. He said, 'Surely, I am mightier than that: give me yet a name!'

11. He said to him, 'Thou art Sarva.' And because he gave the him that name, the waters became suchlike, for Sarva is the waters, inasmuch as from the water everything (sarva) here is produced. He said, 'Surely, I am mightier than that: give me yet a name!'

16. He said to him, 'Thou art Mahân Devah (the Great God).' And because he gave him that name, the moon became suchlike, for the moon is Pragâpati, and Pragâpati is the Great God. He said, 'Surely, I am mightier than that: give me yet a name!'

@TheDestroyer so Ashtamurti forms are present inside Fire, water, air, moon etc...

@TheDestroyer one has to carefully look at the term Suchlike.

The Destroyer

@Tezz ishana has form. right? He is one face of Sada Shiva.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer before Rudra entered fire it was just like inert Prakirti... Rudra entered and make it Suchlike... ie. We can only see lusture of fire... but can't see Rudra himself on fire... which is fornless...

@TheDestroyer yes Ishana is fifth head of SadaShiva pointing upwards...

The Destroyer

@Tezz So, after that incidence in answer is he called as Shiva by others?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer he was Shiva before that incidence too... but The name Shiva reminds that incidence... ie his benevolence towards Gods....

That's why he became famous by the name Shiva in Puranas...

The Destroyer

@Tezz ohh. ok.

SwiftPushkar

09:58

@Tezz @TheDestroyer - I listened kalabharvastaka and this m.youtube.com/watch?v=To_OJMr8Y9g on you tube , the mantras are really exciting. Shiva mantras , music is really good :)

Tezz

As it represents benevolence to Gods...

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Kala Bhairava astakam really excites. I heard first time when watching Magadheera movie.

@Tezz But why only benevolence?

@Tezz there are other attributes also.

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar I have already listened it... it takes Mantras from Taittariya Aranyaka...

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer - yes , the othetr one i like most see link , thats my fav.meditation mantra now a days

The Destroyer

@Tezz How did Compassion dominate his other attributes?

SwiftPushkar

10:01

@TheDestroyer - yes , the other one i like most see link , thats my fav.meditation mantra now a days. @Tezz - ok 👍

Tezz

@TheDestroyer it may be because... it's most important to Gods... for us compassion aspect is important.... read Brihadaranyaka upanishad..... "Gods doesn't like we get liberation..."

The Destroyer

@Tezz Really? "Gods doesn't like we get liberation". Ok. I will read.

Tezz

While he who worships another god thinking, ‘He is one, and I am another’, does not know. He is like an animal to the gods. As many animals serve a man, so does each man serve the gods. Even if one animal is taken away, it causes anguish, what should one say of many animals ? Therefore it is not liked by them that men should know this. [Brihadaranyaka Upanishad]

@TheDestroyer Gods mean devata....

The Destroyer

@Tezz ok.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer so Gods may have done anything for their plan... they may also divinely inspire some minds to corrupt Puranas and add corrupted verses....

SwiftPushkar

10:05

@Tezz @TheDestroyer - Shiva mantras are really powerful , actually i can feel the energy while listning to shiva or Rudra mantras .

The Destroyer

@Tezz Why do they want us to not get liberated?

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar yes, that mantra is also one of my favourite mantras...

@TheDestroyer the reason is given in Upanishad itself: "As many animals serve a man, so does each man serve the gods. Even if one animal is taken away, it causes anguish, what should one say of many animals ? Therefore it is not liked by them that men should know this."

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz @TheDestroyer - what is meaning of "Cha me" च में word is in rudra bhishekam , is it used for us or for Rudra?

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar Cha me means "Give me."

Like Abhayam Cha me means Give me fearlessness...

The Destroyer

@Tezz haha. Even vedas demean Devatas.

SwiftPushkar

10:13

@Tezz - ohh , got it 😊

Tezz

@TheDestroyer haha... so I think... Devas may have divinely inspired someone to put corrupted verses in Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana... Just my Theory.... haha

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer @Tezz - we people do the rudra -abhisheka at shravan at home . @Tezz Yes :)

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar oh... it's good... you do in Shiva Linga of your home...?

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar DO you have Shiva Linga in your home?

SwiftPushkar

And shaligram also :)

The Destroyer

10:17

@Tezz haha.

@SwiftPushkar ohh good. Which linga? bana linga?

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer @Tezz - its of marble , i will post photo of that afterwards :)

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Bana lingas are Swayambu like Shaligrama stones of Vishnu.

@Tezz This site says Shiva has 2 bulls. One made of Dharma (there is a story in Skanda Purana where Dharma becomes Bull for Shiva in Rameswara) and other Bull is Nandi.

shaivam.org

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar btw... you may see my answer here related to Origin and meanings of Shiva Linga.. hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/101/…

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz @TheDestroyer - we have both One which is of marble like normal pindi and shaligram

@TheDestroyer @Tezz - what actually are shaligrama , are they meteorite stones or something

Tezz

@TheDestroyer I do not know it.. but in Anushasana Parva... Shiva is riding in bull and Nandi is standing at side of him... as described by Upamanyu...

So there may be 2 bulls...

@SwiftPushkar scientifically they are fossil stones....

The Destroyer

10:25

@Tezz i read Dharma story in Skanda Purana. So, nandi is different from Vrshaba.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer what that site writes...? I couldn't find anything....

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - ok ,like fossilised rocks , got it , but why they are found on specific locations only ? Why not elsewhere , like himalayas only i think

The Destroyer

@Tezz that site has good info on Shaivism.

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar they are only found in Gandaki River of Nepal... I think...

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Tirupati Venkateswara idol is made of Shaligrama stone.

Tezz

10:29

@TheDestroyer ok I'll visit that site...

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer - ohh whole murthy? , thats grt.

The Destroyer

@Tezz It provides info in multiple Indian languages.

@SwiftPushkar Yes. As Srinivasa is Swayambhu.

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - very comprehensive answer :) nice one 👍👍 @TheDestroyer ohh i see

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar Thank You!...

The Destroyer

@Tezz Student has written answer on Vyuptakesa form.

Tezz

10:32

@TheDestroyer yes I just saw...

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz @TheDestroyer - do you people heard about Dhootapapeshwar shiva ? The temple is in MH state.

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar No. What's the legend?

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer @Tezz Doota=cleansing papeshwar = all the papas or sins ie. cleansener of ones all sins.

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar I didn't knew about it...

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - i think its more regional form , the temple is in my state ie.Maharastra and not much known , but i visited it

Tezz

10:39

@SwiftPushkar ok...

SwiftPushkar

See this findmessages.com/tag/shree-dhootpapeshwar-temple

The Destroyer

@Tezz i thought hair was important in Spiritual practices. I even like long hair like Shiva, though not matted or Jata.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer yes I too like long Hair...

SwiftPushkar

Student seems to have made lot's of effort in that answer lots of ref. are given , wht you people think

The Destroyer

@Tezz Like Shiva, Dhoni, Newton, michio kaku... All the people i admire have long hair.

Tezz

10:44

@SwiftPushkar yes He has made a lot of efforts...

The Destroyer

@Tezz I even had long hair but my parents compelled me to cut the hair.

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer - michio kaku is my all time fav cosmologist .He is simply grt.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer haha... but I have short hair...

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar His explanations are good. Yeah. I'm again growing my hair and this time i don't oblige to others. @Tezz BTW, don't these hairs act like antenna, when we practice meditation?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer haha.. I don't know anything about that...

SwiftPushkar

10:46

@TheDestroyer - Honestly i don't think so abt hair

Tezz

@TheDestroyer is merging answers possible?..

The Destroyer

@Tezz

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A: Sadhus grow their hair while Pandits shave them. Why?

It has nothing to do with devotion. The reason is spiritual and I doubt if the reason is explicitly given in the standard scriptures. Nevertheless, let me share something I know. Sadhus grow hair and it is known as jata (it's the local term here). This helps them to communicate with spirits and ...

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz @TheDestroyer - but its proven that papaya tree acts like radio reciver antena

The Destroyer

@Tezz I'm not sure. Ask @KeshavSrinivasan

Tezz

@TheDestroyer oh... maybe who knows...

The Destroyer

10:48

@Tezz Ancient kings had long hair even Krishna and Rama.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer actually I want to put my answer in Student's answer... so that his efforts doesn't goes in Vain...

@TheDestroyer @SwiftPushkar I actually accepted Students answer by editing... what do you think...?

The Destroyer

@Tezz ok. What about your answer?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer I put that in Students answer by editing... see it...

The Destroyer

@Tezz Search in meta Stack exchange.

SwiftPushkar

,@Tezz - its nice you have accepted 👍👍

Tezz

10:57

@TheDestroyer I don't think it would have any problem... see answers given here: hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/15047/what-is-rama-rajya/…

The Destroyer

@Tezz What ?

Yeah. I read that answer.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer see the last two answer they are same as my answer...

The Destroyer

@Tezz haha. I don't know why they posted the same when other answer has the same content.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer anyway I changed format of the answer... which may have been actually written by Student also...

SwiftPushkar

11:44

@Tezz @TheDestroyer - i think we can edit the 1 st question and write the meaning of Atirudra so that the term will get more clear to those who don't know that

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar ok you can edit it...

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - you pls. Do that , cause you have the most authority on that sub :) i think 14 ,000 recitation of rudra adhaya ..

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar I will do that

Tezz

@TheDestroyer ok do it...

I think 11×11×11 times = Ati Rudram @SwiftPushkar

By 11 Pundits..

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - yes , i stated rough fig. Don't know the exact number so... Yes :)

Tezz

11:51

Thus total no. = 14641

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar @Tezz Edited.

@Tezz How can we provide significance? Do vedas explicitly mention the significance of Samhitas or Sri Rudram? I think we only get significance in bhasyas of Acharyas.

Tezz

12:26

@TheDestroyer maybe there are significance in Puranas...

Keshav Srinivasan

15:59

@Tezz @TheDestroyer I just uploaded all three volumes of Shabara's commentary on the Purva Mimamsa Sutras to Google Drive. Here's volume 1: gdurl.com/PG8Z/download Here's volume 2: gdurl.com/Wt0M/download And here's volume 3: gdurl.com/NTJQ/download The file sizes are all relatively small.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Thanks!

Krishn Shweta

@KeshavSrinivasan I was going through question about purva mimansa. So my doubt is, that school people live separately somewhere or they live like us?

Keshav Srinivasan

@KrishnShweta The Purva Mimamsa school doesn't exist anymore. Nowadays the vast majority of Hindus belong to the Vedanta school, as I discuss here:

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Q: What percentage of Hindus belong to a sect that subscribes to the Vedanta school?

Indian schools of philosophy are traditionally divided into two categories, Astika and Nastika. Astika schools accept the authority of the Vedas as divinely revealed truth (shruti), whereas Nastika schools, like Buddhism, Jainism, and Charvaka, reject the authority of the Vedas. Generally membe...

philosophy sects vedanta

Krishn Shweta

16:21

@KeshavSrinivasan I'll look at that.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer By the way, if you see something in Shabara's commentary and you want more elaboration, you can read Kumarila Bhatta's subcommentaries on Shabara's commentary:

Sep 11 at 14:29, by Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz Yes, Kumarila Bhatta wrote three commentaries on the Mimamsa Sutras: 1. The Shloka Vartika, covering Adhyaya 1 Pada 1 of the Mimamsa Sutras 2. The Tantra Vartika, covering the rest of Adhyaya 1 as well as Adhyayas 2 and 3 of the Mimamsa Sutras 3. The Tuptika, covering the rest of the Mimamsa Sutras.

Sep 11 at 14:33, by Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz You can read the Shloka Vartika here: https://archive.org/details/slokavartika015341mbp

Sep 11 at 14:49, by Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz By the way, the translation of the Tantra Vartika comes in two volumes. Here's volume 1: http://gdurl.com/VjD0/download And here's volume 2: http://gdurl.com/e8Ry/download

Sep 11 at 14:52, by Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz As far as I know the Tuptika has never been translated into English, but you can read it in Sanskrit here: https://archive.org/details/tuptikak00kuma

The Destroyer

17:03

@KeshavSrinivasan Agni Purana says 15 Sakhas of Yajurveda will be existing at end of kalki. But I'm not clear after Buddha or before kalki.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Where does the Agni Puranas say that? Currently way less than 15 Shakhas survive for the Yajur Veda.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan I think after Buddha.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Yeah, maybe shortly after Buddha's time there were 15 Shakhas of the Shukla Yajur Veda left. Now there are only two Shakhas left for the Shukla Yajur Veda: the Madhyandina Shakha and the Kanva Shakha.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Ok.

@KeshavSrinivasan So, in roughly 2500 years we lost 13 Sakhas.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Well, we lost way more than that if you add the Shakhas of other Vedas as well.

The Destroyer

17:12

@KeshavSrinivasan Yeah. I'm saying about Sukhla Yajurveda.

@KeshavSrinivasan

Sep 17 at 17:44, by Tezz

@SwiftPushkar "According to the Mahabhasya of Patanjali, there were 21 Shakhas of Rigveda, 9 of Atharvaveda, 101 of Yajurveda (86 of Krishna Yajurveda and 15 of Shukla Yajurveda, according to later authorities) and a 1000 shakhas of Samaveda. All these add to give the figure 1131.

However, out of these 1131 Shakhas, only 11 Shakhas remain alive. As far as Rigved is concerned, only one Shakha, Shaakal Shakha alone remains alive out of the 21 that existed at one time. Another shakha that may have survived is the Bāṣhkala, although this is uncertain. Out of the 101 Shakhas of Yajurveda, only …

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer We have even lost lots of Shakhas between the time of Adi Shankaracharya and Ramanujacharya and today. Like in their time the Jabala Shakha of the Shukla Yajur Veda existed, but now it's lost.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan ohh. Mahabhasya of patanjali also says 15 Sakhas of Sukhla Yajurveda. When was it written?

@KeshavSrinivasan i think this what prophesied in Puranas. After loosing the existing 11 Sakhas Kalki will arrive.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer And we have even lost Shakhas between the time of Sayana, who lived in the fourteenth century, and today. Like he quotes from the now-lost Shatyayana Shakha of the Sama Veda, as I discuss here:

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A: What scriptures describe Indra defeating Asuras using Dadhichi's old horse head?

The story is told in the Brahmanas of the Sama Veda.. Here is what this excerpt from the Jaiminiya Brahmana of the Sama Veda: Dadhyanch the Atharvana was famous, learned in sacred lore. Whenever any of the Asuras espied him from afar then these were laid low and lost their heads. And he went ...

@TheDestroyer Wikipedia says 4th century BC, which is after Buddha. But dating by Western Indologists should be taken with a grain of salt.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Buddha existed during 500BC i think.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Yeah

The Destroyer

17:19

@KeshavSrinivasan I think this chapter of Agni Purana is interpolated. Buddha might not be Vishnu.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer I don't think the prophecies of Buddha are interpolations, they're too well-established and extensive.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Which one is better to read first: Mukhya Upanishads or Brahma Sutras?

Krishn Shweta

Who is Kumara from Kumara Sampradayam?

Keshav Srinivasan

@KrishnShweta Kumara refers to Brahma's son Sanatkumara.

The Destroyer

@KrishnShweta one of the Sanat Kumaras who cursed Jaya and Vijaya, Vishnu's gatekeepers.

Keshav Srinivasan

17:31

@TheDestroyer Well, the Brahma Sutras are about the Upanishads. So you can read the Mukhya Upanishads first and then read the Brahma Sutras. Or you can start reading the Brahma Sutras first and whenever they reference some Upanishad verse, you can go and read the relevant Upanishad passage.

The Destroyer

@KrishnShweta Actually same. Kumara Swami is rebirth of Sanatkumara.

Keshav Srinivasan

@KrishnShweta Kumaraswami refers to the god Kartikeya, aka Muruga or Skanda. Kartikeya is the next birth of Sanatkumara, as I discuss in my question here:

The Destroyer

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Q: What scriptures describe Brahma's son Sanatkumara being reborn as Shiva's son Kartikeya?

As I discuss in this question, by far the most popular school of Hindu philosophy is the Vedanta school, which bases its tenets on the doctrines laid out in the Brahma Sutras, a work by the sage Vyasa that summarizes and systematizes the philosophical teachings of the Upanishads. You can read the...

mythology brahma-sutras adi-shankaracharya kartikeya chandogya-upanishad

Krishn Shweta

@TheDestroyer OK...

The Destroyer

@KrishnShweta This is less known info about Skanda. Best thing i read on this site. BTW, you can become Indra, Agni and vayu in your next birth but you need to some rituals and follow hardships for that.

Keshav Srinivasan

17:37

@KrishnShweta By the way, most prominent Acharya of the Kumara Sampradayam is Nimbarka:

Nimbarka

Nimbarka is known for propagating the Vaishnava Theology of Dvaitadvaita (dvaita-advaita) or “dualistic non-dualism". It is also known as 'Bhedabheda' (bheda-abheda) philosophy. According to scholars headed by Prof. Roma Bose, he lived in the 13th Century, on the assumption that Śrī Nimbārkāchārya was the author of the work Madhvamukhamardana. According to Nimbārka Sampradāya, however, Śrī Nimbārkāchārya appeared over 5000 years ago, in the year 3096 BCE at the time when the grandson of Arjuna was on the throne. He hailed from the present-day Andhra Pradesh, in South India. Mungi Village, Paithan...

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan haha. DavitaAdvaita.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Haha yeah, there are a lot of Vedantic philosophies that have names like that. Like Gaudiya Vaishnavas believe in Achintya Bhedabheda, Bhaskara believed in Aupadhika Bhedabheda, Yadavaprakasa believed in Svabavika Bhedabheda, etc.

Krishn Shweta

@KeshavSrinivasan Okay.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer The philosophy that Lingayats follow is called Shakti Visistadvaita for short, but its full name is Dvaitadvaitabidhana Viseshadvaita Virashaiva Siddhanta, haha

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan haha. i think longest name among all names of Philosophies.

Keshav Srinivasan

17:42

@TheDestroyer Haha yeah

Krishn Shweta

@TheDestroyer I don't know.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer "Did Shankaracharya have any name of Bhaskara?" I don't understand your question, are you asking if Bhaskara is a name of Adi Shankaracharya?

The Destroyer

@KrishnShweta Ohh. i asked you. I thought i asked Keshav.

@KeshavSrinivasan No. In a telugu song, Shiva is praised as "Advaita Bhaskaram Ardhanariswaram"..

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Well, Bhaskara just means "sun". So I think the song is calling Shiva the sun who spread the light of Advaita.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan may be. I thought Adi Shankara was also called as Bhaskara.

Keshav Srinivasan

17:47

@TheDestroyer Oh, I've never heard that.

@TheDestroyer In any case, the Bhaskara that I'm talking about who believed in Aupadhika Bhedabheda is the one discussed in my question here:

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Q: Has Bhaskara's second-oldest Brahma Sutra Bhashya ever been translated into English?

As I discuss in this question, by far the most popular school of Hindu philosophy is the Vedanta school, which bases its tenets on the doctrines laid out in the Brahma Sutras, a work by the sage Vyasa that summarizes and systematizes the philosophical teachings of the Upanishads. You can read the...

philosophy vedanta translation-request brahma-sutras

@TheDestroyer Bhaskara believed that the world was real and that the Jiva is Brahman limited by an Upadhi.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Are there anyone who believe World as illusion apart from Advaitins?

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer No, only Advaitins believe the world is an illusion. The closest is Vallabacharya's philosophy of Shuddhadvaita, which believes that the world is sort of half-way between real and illusion, but I'm not sure of the details. By the way, @KrishnShweta's family belongs to Vallabacharya's sect.

@TheDestroyer I'm planning to post a question asking for Vallabacharya's commentary on the Brahma Sutras, because I want to find out more about Vallabacharya's philosophy.

@TheDestroyer I'm actually looking for quite a few commentaries:

Sep 8 at 4:56, by Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Here are some of the commentaries I'd like to find in English: Bhaskara's commentary advocating Aupadhika Bhedabheda; the Shrikara Bhashya, which is the Lingayat commentary advocating Shakti Visistadvaita; Srinivasa Dikshitar's Vaikhanasa commentary advocating Lakshmi Visistadvaita; Vallabhacharya's Anubhashya advocating Shuddhadvaita; any Swaminarayan sect commentary; and any Ramanandi commentary.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan ohh.. How did you figure it out?

Krishn Shweta

@KeshavSrinivasan few minutes ago, I searched our discussion about Vallabacharya's sect as I forgot that name so.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer How did I figure what out?

The Destroyer

18:01

@KeshavSrinivasan haha. Your list of questions is increasing. May be we should get stack-overflow error. :P, So that you stop posting questions.

@KeshavSrinivasan About Krishna sweta's sect.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Haha

@TheDestroyer She asked her father what Vaishnava Sampradayam she belonged to, and he said Rudra Sampradayam.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Ohh. is she Brahmin?

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer No, she isn't.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan ohh Vallabha is Telugu Brahmin.

@KeshavSrinivasan Ohh.. other Varnas or caste can also follow these sects? Do other castes also have Sri vaishnvas?

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Yes, sects of Hinduism don't generally have caste restrictions. There are plenty of low-caste Sri Vaishnavas.

The Destroyer

18:05

@KeshavSrinivasan ok.

@KeshavSrinivasan Who is Supreme God in Vallabhacharya sect? @KrishnShweta You pray to Narasihma Swamy right?

Krishn Shweta

@TheDestroyer Yeah.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Low-caste people are especially attracted to Sri Vaishnavism, because Sri Vaishnavas place importance to Sharanagati, and Sharanagati doesn't have caste restrictions.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan haha. But now a days, no is caring these philosophies. I think after some days these restrictions will vanish.

@KeshavSrinivasan I even want to know my Sampradaya. But we pray to Grama Devata.

@KeshavSrinivasan There's no good recorded history of these things.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Followers of Vallabacharya believe that Krishna is supreme, similar to Gaudiya Vaishnavas.

@TheDestroyer Oh, I assumed you came from an Advaitin family.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Lol. Most of my family members dont even know that many such sects exists. They pray our Kula Devata and Tirupati Venkateswara more.

@KeshavSrinivasan Grama Devatas are Sapta Matrikas.

Keshav Srinivasan

18:12

@TheDestroyer Oh, so your family doesn't know what sect of Hinduism it belongs to?

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan I think Matrikas are not Vedic gods. Matrikas are associated with Shaktism. But we don't even follow vedic practices.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Yeah, Matrikas are described in Puranas and Agamas, not the Vedas.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Most of Grama Devatas (village dieties) of South India are not vedic i think. They are believed to be Matrikas and furious forms of Shakti.

@KeshavSrinivasan Also, Pothuraju, Lord Vishnu.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer In Tamil Nadu the most common village deity is Ayyanar:

Aiyanar

Ayyanar (also spelt Aiyyanar, Ayanar or Iyenar) is a Hindu village god of Tamil Nadu also worshipped by Sri Lankan Tamils. He is primarily worshipped as a guardian deity who protects the rural villages. Most officiating priests are derive from local potter community, but other caste members also officiate in his temples. The temples of Aiyanar are usually flanked by gigantic and colorful statues of him and his companions riding horses or elephants. There are number of theories as to the origins of the deity as well as the etymology of the name. He is associated with the god Ayyanayake by th...

@TheDestroyer Ayyanar is a form of Shiva and Mohini's son Dharma Shasta.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan there's a legend that in 12th century everyone was worshiping Shiva. So, Parvathi became infuriated and spread many diseases by taking forms Ankamma, Ankalamma, Poleramma.. So, people started worshiping her in these forms with her brother Pothuraju.

@KeshavSrinivasan So, Grama Devatas are popular in Villages of India. Also, the origin was four thieves were carrying a Trunk box on their shoulders stolen from somewhere. A divine voice said to open the box and worship her. They did and found idol of her. we are believed to be descendants of one of those four men.

@KeshavSrinivasan Or we might be converted to her worship. I'm not sure how to reconcile Caste and this here.

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Q: Who are Gramadevathas found especially in South India?

Common names of these Gramadevathas are Ankamma, Poleramma etc. What is their relation to Lord Shiva? Can we Worship Lord Shiva along with Gramadevathas? See this blog.

shiva puranas culture parvathi shakti

Keshav Srinivasan

18:21

@TheDestroyer Do you know what caste the four thieves belonged to?

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Don't know. But different castes worship her.

@KeshavSrinivasan This legend is also popular in Tamilnadu.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer I've never heard of this legend. Like I said most villages in Tamil Nadu have Ayyanar as their village deity, not a form of Shakti.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Did you hear the word Ankalamma?

Ankalamma

Goddess Ankalamma, or Angalamma, is also known as Ankamma or Angamma, Ankali, Angali, Ankala Parameswari and Angala Parameswari. She is worshipped with these names in Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka and Tamil Nadu. Ankalamma is counted as one of the Matrikas or "Seven Mothers". She is also considered to be a form of goddess Ankali or Kali. Ankalamma is a non-Vedic deity and, like so many Tamil popular deities, she seems to have originated in a fierce guardian figure. Sacred areas of Ankalamma and traditional Hindu deities are worshipped symbolically to appease the inner destructive impulses in us. Fowl...

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer No, I've never heard of her. But it looks like she is worshiped in Tamil Nadu.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Yes. Around South Andhra and North Tamilnadu. My native is South Andhra.

Keshav Srinivasan

18:26

@TheDestroyer The most popular form of Amman I've seen worshiped in Tamil Nadu is Mariamman.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan I think i heard her name.

@KeshavSrinivasan Maariamman

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer I posted a question about Mariamman here:

The Destroyer

as மா is written.

Keshav Srinivasan

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Q: What scriptures describe Parashurama's mother's head being attached to a low-caste woman's body?

I'm currently visiting India, and as I was leaving my native village of Poondi (which I discuss in my questions here and here), I passed by a temple which was built at a location visited by the goddess Mariamman. Mariamman is a goddess worshipped primarily in Tami Nadu. Her temples are kept on...

mythology vishnu goddess durga parashurama

@TheDestroyer Yeah, two a's.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Do you know Shadow of temples should not fall on buildings especially Shakti and Shiva Temples. I am not sure about vaishnava tenples. Some say nothing happens while some say that's not good.

@KeshavSrinivasan Temples are either constructed in large open place or constructed outside villages

@KeshavSrinivasan Actually a family in my native village vacated the house behind Ramalayam as they felt the house was not prosperous. Their personal experiences make me to believe the above statement "Shadow of temples should not fall on buildings ".

Krishn Shweta

18:35

@TheDestroyer Shall I ask one thing?

The Destroyer

@KrishnShweta what?

@KeshavSrinivasan I think reason for her Temple being located at outskirts is Shadow.

@KrishnShweta haha. lite.

@KrishnShweta No one can truly accept himself/herself as good. We all fall pray to Maya (i mean some tamasic and rajasic qualities are hidden) and no one knows when they come out. Even the great sages have fall to prey of Maya.

@KrishnShweta Yeah. reducing it. reduced a lot now.

Keshav Srinivasan

18:52

@TheDestroyer Well, in most villages in Tamil Nadu, there are temples within the village, specifically in the Agraharam or Brahmin street of the village. So other temples are located inside the village, it's only Mariamman who is placed on the outside.

Krishn Shweta

@TheDestroyer That's good.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan i think Agraharam is different.

@KeshavSrinivasan Brahmin families do stay in Temple premises in Agraharam but that is different from what I said.

@KrishnShweta a close relatives of mine had problems staying in house where temples shadow falls.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Well, Brahmins don't stay in the temple premises, but in the street leading to the temple premises.

Krishn Shweta

@TheDestroyer you tagged me? BTW, I never heard about this shadows.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer The only ones who would live in the temple premises itself are the priests of the temple.

The Destroyer

19:01

@KeshavSrinivasan what about shadow of temple? In cities, what I observed is temples are constructed such a way that shadow doesn't fall on houses or offices which are beside to Temple.

@KrishnShweta yeah. Sorry. Both of your names start with K and sometimes I select you instead of Keshav.

Krishn Shweta

@TheDestroyer No problem. I understand that...

The Destroyer

@KrishnShweta see my conversation with him in a chat room, (i think frozen now) if you want to know exactly what happened. Haha.

@KrishnShweta he shared personal experiences with Sai Baba.

Krishn Shweta

I'm searching....

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer @KrishnShweta Is there a reason you two keep deleting messages?

Krishn Shweta

19:20

@TheDestroyer Ok

Krishn Shweta

19:32

@TheDestroyer So you are 23 now. Right?

The Destroyer

@KrishnShweta yes.

Krishn Shweta

@TheDestroyer OK...

@TheDestroyer I don't understand those things.

The Destroyer

@KrishnShweta Shukla chaturthi is 4th day from amavasya. Shukla is bright. So, that day is vinayaka chaviti. I was born after 10 days . Charurdasi is 14th.

Krishn Shweta

@TheDestroyer Oh!!!

The Destroyer

@KrishnShweta you can check your janmatithi here.

janmatithi.com

@KrishnShweta ok.

Keshav Srinivasan

19:50

@TheDestroyer @KrishnShweta Another good site is planetarypositions.com It generates a full birth chart for you.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan @KrishnShweta i follow onlinejyotish.com/telugu-astrology/telugu-jatakam.php it gives info in Telugu and fully free.

@KeshavSrinivasan i came to know my ista deva through this site while all others charging money. Fortunately, shiva is my ista deva as mentioned in Kundali. I think past janma vasana.

Krishn Shweta

@KeshavSrinivasan @TheDestroyer Well, I heard about these things but never gone through this.

The Destroyer

@KrishnShweta i think we should use Jyotishya wisely.

We shouldn't neglect it and at same time blindly follow it.

Krishn Shweta

@TheDestroyer true

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer I'm not sure if deriving Ishta Devatas from birth charts has a basis in Hindu scripture, but in any case I'm curious what mine says. I can't read Telegu, so can you input my information and tell me what it says? My birthday is April 17, 1991 at 3:10PM in New Brunswick, New Jersey.

Krishn Shweta

20:00

@KeshavSrinivasan It's 1:30 AM here. Till now I haven't seen @TheDestroyer discussing till late nights.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan i think you can access that site in English also.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer The information entry form is in English, so I was able to input the information, but the output came back in Telegu.

@TheDestroyer Here's what it shows for the different sections: "జనన వివరములు
పంచాంగ వివరములు
అవకహడ చక్రము
ఘాత చక్రము
శుభ విషయములు
గ్రహస్థితి/ భావ స్థితి
లగ్న, నవాంశ చక్రములు (D-1 and D-9 charts)
హోరా (D2), ద్రేక్కాణ(D3), చతుర్థాంశ (D4) మరియు సప్తాంశ(D7) కుండలిలు
దశమాంశ (D10), ద్వాదశాంశ(D12), షోడశాంశ(D16) మరియు వింశాంశ(D20) కుండలిలు
చతుర్వింశాంశ(D24), భాంశ(D27), త్రింశాంశ(D30)
ఖవేదాంశ(D40), అక్షవేదాంశ(D45) మరియు షష్ట్యంశ(D60)
షోడశ వర్గ పట్టిక (Shodasha varga Table)
వింశోత్తరి దశ-భుక్తులు (Vimshottari Dasha, Bhukti dates)

@TheDestroyer Which one should I click on to get the Ishta Devata?

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan it says god to worship Shankar

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Oh, haha, the same as you?

The Destroyer

It available in English also.

onlinejyotish.com/free-astrology/jataka/free-horoscope.php

@KeshavSrinivasan how to.send screen shot from Mobile?

onlinejyotish.com/free-astrology/free-janmakundali.php

This one works i think

Krishn Shweta

20:12

@TheDestroyer Screenshot?

The Destroyer

@KrishnShweta yeah. I took screen shot of his ista deva.

@KeshavSrinivasan last link is in English. You can try it. Bye. In sleeping. @KrishnShweta gn and @KeshavSrinivasan good day...

Krishn Shweta

@TheDestroyer Good night.

@KeshavSrinivasan Me too.... zZZ

@KeshavSrinivasan Have a nice day.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Yeah, I just generated it in English and it does say Shankara. Haha, that's strange.

@TheDestroyer @KrishnShweta Good day to me, good night to you :-)

@TheDestroyer Hmm, I'm noticing something strange. It seems that regardless of what information your enter, it always outputs Shankar as the god to worship.

@TheDestroyer Try it yourself, put in any random date, time, and location and see what happens.

@TheDestroyer So I think there's either an error in the guy's code, or he's trying to send a message that everyone should worship Shiva :-)

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