Vedanta and Philosophy

Tezz

11:56

@KeshavSrinivasan oh... thanks for giving information about Shuddhadvaita precisely...

As it uses the term Avidya.. I think it is the reason to name it Shuddhadvaita...

@KeshavSrinivasan In which Chaturyuga Lord Vishnu took incarnation of Nara and Narayana...?..

Keshav Srinivasan

13:57

@Tezz It was in the Chakshusha Manvantara.

Tezz

14:08

@KeshavSrinivasan oh thanks for information.... is it known which Chaturyuga of Chakshusa Manvantara...?

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz And no, the use of the term Avidya is not why it's called Shuddhadvaita. All Vedantic philosophies believe in the notion of Avidya. Because people suffer from the delusion that they are the body rather than the soul. So the notion of Avidya isn't unique to Advaita. What is unique to Advaita though, is that the notion that the world is real is also considered Avidya.

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan there is a story of who held Shivas bow for how many years before reaching it to Janaka... I think Brahma held for 60000 yrs... etc.... Do you know where is this story mentioned..?

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz Well, at least I don't know what Mahayuga. The Puranas usually don't provide as much detail about previous Mahayugas as they do about the Vaivasvata Manvantara. But Nara and Narayana participated in the churning of the ocean, so that's a reference point. But I don't know which Mahayuga of the Chakshusha Manvantara the churning of the ocean happened in either.

@Tezz The Valmiki Ramayana just says that Shiva gave the Pinaka bow to one of Janaka's ancestors, and then it describes how it was passed down by Janaka's ancestors.

@Tezz However I think the Gandiva bow was held by a lot of different gods including Brahma.

@Tezz In the Virata Parva, Arjuna says about the Gandiva bow, "Shiva held it first for a thousand years. Afterwards Prajapati held it for five hundred and three years. After that Sakra, for five and eighty years. And then Soma held it for five hundred years. And after that Varuna held it for a hundred years. And finally Partha, surnamed Swetavahana, hath held it for five and sixty years." sacred-texts.com/hin/m04/m04043.htm

@Tezz By the way, there is a long-standing controversy as to why Arjuna says that he held the Gandiva bow for 65 years, because if you look at the chronology he held it for a much shorter time than that. The commentator Nilakantha resolves it by saying that Arjuna is not referring to human years, but rather some other kind of year.

@Tezz Also, there's a story about how the divine sword Asi was passed down from Shiva to various gods and kings, as I discuss in my question here:

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Q: What did the Pandavas do with the oldest sword in the world?

In the Shanti Parva of the Mahabharata, Bhishma gives advice to Yudishtra and the Pandavas concerning how to be a good king and how to be good person, while he's lying on a bed of arrows after the end of the Kurukshetra war. At one point, Yudishtra's youngest brother Nakula (an accomplished swor...

Tezz

14:33

@KeshavSrinivasan yes, I have read that question... (oldest sword)... I think you posted that question in Mythology SE also...

@KeshavSrinivasan also what about Chandrahas of Ravana...?... is there mention of returning it to Shiva..

@KeshavSrinivasan how much year Arjuna held the Gandiva then...?

Who made the Gandiva...?

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz No, I didn't post it on Mythology.SE. However someone posted an answer on Science Fiction and Fantasy based on my question:

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A: What is the first known work of fantasy or legend to feature a magic sword?

The earliest magical sword I could find was Asi, from the Mahabharata The sword Asi, the first sword ever created, was supposedly made by Brahma (the creator of the universe in the Mahabharata) in a fire sacrifice ritual next to the Himalaya, as a tool for the Devas to fight back against the Asu...

@Tezz So far I have only posted one question on Mythology.SE:

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Q: Was the Kali Yuga invented in the Kali Yuga?

One of the most well-known features of Hindu time-scales is the cycle of four Yugas, known as Satya, Treta, Dwapara, and Kali. In the Satya (aka Krita) Yuga, almost all humans are good. In the Treta Yuga, most humans are good but some are bad. It's during one of the past Treta Yugas that the H...

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Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan yes, I was confused about this question and Asi sword....

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz No, I don't think there's any mention of the Chandrahas sword being returned to Shiva.

@Tezz I think Nilakantha's commentary says Arjuna held the Gandiva bow for about 30 years, not 65 years. Arjuna got it in the Khandava forest episode, then the city of Indraprastha was built, then after some time there Yudhisthira performed a Rajasuya Yagna, then there was a dice game, then 12 years of exile, and then when Arjuna is speaking in the Virata Parva it is their year of hiding. The time between the Khandava forest story and the year in hiding cannot possibly be 65 years.

@Tezz The Gandiva bow was created by Brahma and given to Shiva.

@Tezz Another weapon which was passed down among the gods is the Danda or rod of chastisement, as described in this chapter of the Shanti Parva of the Mahabharata: sacred-texts.com/hin/m12/m12a121.htm

Tezz

14:58

@KeshavSrinivasan who gave Gada Dhanu and Sankha to Vishnu...?

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz Well, it's kind of ambiguous. Krishna killed a demon named Panchajana to rescue Sandipani's son, and then took demon's conchshell. But then the Valmiki Ramayana describes how Vishnu killed a demon named Panchajana and took his conchshell. Perhaps this is one of those stories that has happened more than once.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer did you finished Autobiography of Yogi...?

@TheDestroyer here are Youtube videos which teach Sri Rudram with pronounciation, hand style and all other techniques... but they are extremely long...

@TheDestroyer m.youtube.com/watch?v=W7ffLqI6ms4 , m.youtube.com/watch?v=AxyaOizhZ-Q , and so on other parts...

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz Here is what Sugriva says in the Kishkindha Kanda of the Valmiki Ramayana, in describing the places that lie west of India: "Purushottama also put another demon Pancajana to death on that very mountain and took away his backbone, which is a conch-shell. Thus the conch-shell handled by Vishnu is known as paancha janya shankha 'Paanchajanya conch.' Thus, this Cakravaan named mountain assumes legendary importance to search for Seetha."

valmikiramayan.net/kishkindha/sarga42/…

Tezz

15:14

@TheDestroyer they are extremely long upto 14 parts... however we can learn selective parts like.. how to pronounce Mahamrityunjaya mantra... how to pronounce Nama Shivaya cha Shivatarya Cha... and other imp. Mantras....

@KeshavSrinivasan yes, I think events were repeated.... Do you know about Gada(Kaumodiki) and Dhanush (Saranga) of Vishnu... ?

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz Vishnu's Saranga bow was created by Vishwakarma alongside Shiva's Pinaka bow. See the Bala Kanda chapter linked to in my answer here:

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A: Why did Lord Shiva fight with Lord Vishnu?

There are multiple incidents you could be referring to:. The story depicted in the TV serial you linked to is (loosely) based on a story told in this excerpt from the Shatarudra Samhita of the Shiva Purana, about a battle between Vishnu and Shiva's incarnation Vrishabha the bull, AKA Vrishesha....

@Tezz I don't know the origin of Vishnu's Kaumodaki mace or his Nandaka sword.

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan do other scripture mention fight of Vishnu and Shiva as described in Bala Kanda... ?

@KeshavSrinivasan is there name for lotus of his hands?..

@KeshavSrinivasan I think Vishwakarma created Pinaka for this Kalpa only... as Pinaka is eternal weapon of Shiva... Sri Rudram itself state " Pinakam Vibhradaagahi"...

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz Well, I think Vishwakarma may recreate the Pinaka bow in every Kalpa or Mahakalpa.

@Tezz I don't know what the name of his lotus flower is or why he holds it.

@Tezz I've heard symbolic interpretations of the lotus flower, but I'm generally skeptical of symbolic interpretations. I think that Vishnu is literally holding a lotus flower in his hand, and he must have a reason for it.

The Destroyer

15:49

@Tezz No. I didn't finish. I'm reading now. Reading to know info about Mahavatar Babaji. Thanks! will learn them.

Pandya

16:26

@KeshavSrinivasan ok.

Jaimini is mentioned in Brahma Sutra 1.2.28 & 1.2.21. So, I am thinking that if Jaimini is student of Vedvyasa then How was it happen that Vedvyasa mention Jaimini's opinion/belief and also taught that to Jaimini?

So, I want to know Is Jaimini mentioned in Brahmasutra a student of VedVyasa or other?

I'm planning to ask Q on site.

@Tezz @KeshavSrinivasan What do you think about chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/30898672#30898672 ?

@KeshavSrinivasan By the way found AnuBhashya of Vallabhacharya from:

archive.org/details/…

archive.org/details/anubhashya014530mbp

@KeshavSrinivasan I've just read from jigyaasaa.wordpress.com/2012/02/08/… that "Vallabha explains that the individual soul is identical with and an atomic entity of Brahman."

Also:

> Vallabha asserts that both sentient and insentient entities are fundamentally Brahman, hence real in nature and only a modification of Brahman rather than a product of Brahman. His logic is based on scriptural evidence which state that ‘he is all this’[9] and in the beginning only Brahman existed.

Tezz

16:55

@Pandya where is Jaimini here:

Adrisyatvadigunako dharmokteh I.2.21 (52)
The possessor of qualities like indivisibility etc., (is Brahman)
on account of the declaration of Its attributes.
Adrisyatva: invisibility; Adi: and the rest, beginning with; Gunakah:
one who possesses the quality (Adrisyatvadigunakah: possessor of
qualities like invisibility); Dharmokteh: because of the mention of
qualities.

1.2.28 mentions Jaimini...

@Pandya I think Jaimini is the same Student of Veda Vyas...

@Pandya actually there is debate regarding whether Badarayana is same as KrishnaDwaipayana or not...

@Pandya if he is same also... I think Jaimini had previously already wrote and given Mimamsa Sutras... and Vyasa wrote Brahma Sutras latter...

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