Vedanta and Philosophy

12:48 AM

@TheDestroyer yes, he doesn't know about cyclic nature of creation... you have answered it correctly...

5:06 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan I thought the sathakopam is put at the shoulders only for Sri Vasishnavas. But in a video, I have seen that Chandrasekhara saraswati mahaswamy is also put likewise. Why is it so?

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan Hmm, that's strange. Kanchi Mahaperiyava wouldn't have ever been initiated into Pancharatra. (Although some early Advaitins were.)

@SreeCharan Perhaps the priests just had so much respect for him that they treated him as if he were a Prapanna.

Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan It is not in a Vaishnava termple. But in other temple.

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Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan I still don't understand why non-Sri Vaishnava temples would use the Sadagopam at all, given that it's related to Nammalwar.

@SreeCharan Do you know what temple that is?

Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan It was like a gathering. Temple is not not shown. Did you watch the video?

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan Yeah, I saw the Sadagopam applied to his shoulders.

@SreeCharan So if the temple isn't shown how do you know it wasn't a Vishnu temple?

Sree Charan

5:17 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan Oh yes. It is a vishnu temple. The priest has tirunamam on his forehead.

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan Oh ok. Then like I said, it might have just been due to how much respect the priests had for him.

@SreeCharan In any case, I'm planning to post a question on why some non-Vishnu temples use the Sadagopam.

@SreeCharan I also want to post a question about which Sri Vaishnava Acharya started the practice of using the Sadagopam.

Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan OK. Like I said earlier, They think the feet are of respective deity.

@KeshavSrinivasan +1 guaranteed for the latter question from my side.

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan Yeah, but only the top of it represents the feet. The rest of it represents the head of Nammalwar.

@SreeCharan I'm guessing the practice was started either by Nathamuni or some later Sri Vaishnava Acharya. Nathamuni is the one who instituted the daily chanting of Alwar Pasurams in Sri Rangam.

Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan Also "kulasekhara padi". Since how long it has been followed?

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan Before Nathamuni, the only time that Nammalwar poems were chanted in Sri Rangam was during the annual Adhyayana Utsavam festival started by Thirumangai Alwar. But I think the Adhyayana Utsavam festival died out some time after Thirumangai Alwar and Nathamuni revived it.

Sree Charan

5:28 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan Ok. It is now continued in major temples.

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan That's another good question. One relevant fact is that Alwar pasurams only started being chanted in Tirupati starting from the time of Ramanujacharya. As I told you earlier the Vaikhanasa priests incorporated Alwar pasurams into the temple ritual out of gratitude for Ramanujacharya saving the temple.

@SreeCharan By the way, both the Sadagopam and the Kulasekhara Padi are customs inspired by Alwar pasurams. Sadagopam originates from a Nammalwar pasuram where he says that he desires to be united with the feet of Upilliappan. And the Kulasekhara Padi originates from a Kulasekhara Alwar pasuram where he says that he wants to be reborn as the threshold of the Tirupati Garbagraha.

@SreeCharan So perhaps the same person came up with both.

Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan That is also possible.

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan By the way, the Nammalwar pasuram is about Upilliappan, so maybe the Sadagopam originated in the Upilliappan temple. I'm not sure when Alwar pasurams were introduced into Upilliappan. I don't know of any stories of Sri Vaishnava Acharyas going to Thiruvinnagar (the village near Kumbakonam where the Upilliappan temple is located).

Sree Charan

5:46 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan No acharyas went there?

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan Well, I'm sure Acharyas must have gone there at some point, I just don't know any stories about Acharyas going there.

@SreeCharan By the way, the Upilliappan temple is run by a combination of Vaikhanasa priests and Sri Vaishnava priests. Vaikhanasas run the Garbagraham, but Sri Vaishnavas run other aspects of the temple like the Utsavar processions. I'm not sure why that is.

Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan Wiki says it was constructed in late 8th century. Bhagawad Ramanujacharya might have visited that place. How could a vaishnava acharya especially Emberumanar miss that place?

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan Yeah, Ramanujacharya visited tons of Divya Desams, so maybe he did visit it.

@SreeCharan By the way, a couple years ago I pulled the chariot carrying the Utsavar in the Upilliappan temple. It was a great experience, the Utsavar went around in a beautiful hall with pictures of the 108 Divya Desams painted on the walls.

Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan In Tirumala also there is a mixture of them. You may find it in Rathothsavam videos.

@KeshavSrinivasan Wow. Great. How often do you visit India?

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan Oh, in Tirupati Sri Vaishnava priests are involved in the Rathotsavam?

@SreeCharan Every two years or so. I may go this summer.

Sree Charan

5:56 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan No. not like that. Priests also show up along with Jeeyar and devotees.

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan Oh, you mean Sri Vaishnava priests show up as members of the audience, not the ones actually running things?

Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan AFAIK In adhyanothsavams vaishnava priests are involved. my acharya HH chinna jeeyar was so upset when TTD gave up the tradition of adhyanotsavams and rapattu, pagalpattu sevas. That is the one of the reasons he is not visiting temple.

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan In the Upilliappan temple, Sri Vaishnava priests run the Utsavar procession. So the Utsavar procession is done according to Pancharatra Agamas whereas the rituals for the Moolavar are conducted according to Vaikhanasa Agamas.

Sree Charan

@KeshavSrinivasan They are also involved in temple duties but not sure what they are.

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan Yeah, it makes sense that Sri Vaishnavas would run the Adhyayana Utsavam, since it's a festival in honor of Nammalwar.

Sree Charan

6:01 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan In tirumala, Utsavas like Kalyanam, vahana sevas are also run by vaikhanasas.

Keshav Srinivasan

@SreeCharan Well, perhaps Sri Vaishnava priests are the ones who sing Alwar Pasurams inside the Tirupati temple on a daily basis, since the Vaikhanasa priests might not be willing to since they don't revere the Alwars.

@SreeCharan By the way, did you know that Ramanujacharya was the one who converted Sri Rangam from Vaikhanasa Agamas to Pancharatra Agamas?

@SreeCharan Ramanujacharya also tried to convert the Puri Jagannath temple to Pancharatra Agamas, but Vishnu told him not to because the people there were too devoted to their old traditions, and he teleported Ramanujacharya back to South India.

The Destroyer

6:39 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan @Tezz @SreeCharan @SwiftPushkar what do you think about "lost continent" under Indian ocean?

Is that Ravana's lanka?

or

Kumari Kandam

Kumari Kandam (Tamil: குமரிக்கண்டம்) refers to a fictional lost continent with an ancient Tamil civilization, located south of present-day India, in the Indian Ocean. Alternative names and spellings include Kumarikkantam and Kumari Nadu. In the 19th century, a section of the European and American scholars speculated the existence of a submerged continent called Lemuria, to explain geological and other similarities between Africa, India and Madagascar. A section of Tamil revivalists adapted this theory, connecting it to the Pandyan legends of lands lost to the ocean, as described in ancient Tamil...

tecake.in/news/science/…

Tezz

@TheDestroyer I doubt whether we people of Kaliyuga can see Lanka with our eyes or not.. it may be in other dimension but in earth... Vibhisana might be still ruling there... He was ruling upto Mahabharata period.... Sahadeva met him...

If the present Lanka is Ravanas lanka then Vibhisana might have chased by followers of Buddha...

Or Vibhisana might be still ruling there.. and we can't see the place...

The Destroyer

@Tezz yes. Even i think there is Lanka in other dimension and lanka we see is just a projection of it on 3D.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer yes, I think there might be concept like Subtle lanka and Gross lanka... Subtle lanka which is in another dimension... and Gross lanka which is projection of Subtle lanka in physical level (which we see)...

The Destroyer

@Tezz Yeah. Just like how we can't see Mahadeva on Kailash. Then i think there must be subtle Bharata Varsha. haha. Sookshma Naimisaranya where Rishis are staying as kali can't enter there,

Tezz

@TheDestroyer the divine city built by Vishwakarma and which was choosen by mighty kings like Ravana and Indrajit might not be a simple physical place between the oceans...

@TheDestroyer haha... yes maybe... as we are surrounded by many Pashas we can't see them...

Keshav Srinivasan

6:52 AM

@Tezz I just posted a question related to Purva Mimamsa:

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Q: Do any Purva Mimamsa philosophers agree with the Vedanta school's view of Arthavada?

Do any Purva Mimamsa philosophers agree with the Vedanta school's view of Arthavada? As I discuss in this question, by far the most popular school of Hindu philosophy is the Vedanta school, which bases its tenets on the doctrines laid out in the Brahma Sutras, a work by the sage Vyasa which summ...

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Some editing is needed. Title is repeated in first line of body.

Also, you didn't link this question..

@Tezz @SreeCharan @KeshavSrinivasan % of answered questions is 75 now.

@Tezz Why saturday is public holiday in Nepal?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer oh it's nice achievement...

The Destroyer

@Tezz Yes.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Padma Shamsher Rana Primeminister made that rule...

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Thanks, I fixed it.

Tezz

6:57 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan ok... interesting question...

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz Sahadeva didn't meet him, he sent a messenger to meet him. And yeah, Buddhists claim that Buddha chased the Rakshasas from Lanka to another island called Giridhipa as we discussed earlier.

@TheDestroyer I've heard of Lemuria/Kumari Kandam, but I definitely don't think it is Ravana's Lanka. Based on the Tamil Kandha Puranam, Kumari Kandam is supposed to be one of the nine subdivisions of Bharatavarsha. Whereas Lanka is one of the nine islands on the outskirts of Bharatavarsha.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan who wrote Tamil Kandha/Skanda Purana?

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Kachiyappa Sivacharya:

murugan.org/bhaktas/kachchiappa.htm

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan did he translate or wrote by yogic power?

It says "Sankara Samhita".

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer I'm skeptical of such notions, they seem to be attempts to make Hinduism seem as unfalsifiable as possible, which I see as a negative trend. I have complete faith that if we went to the top of mount Kailash, we would see Shiva there.

The Destroyer

7:08 AM

Skanda corrected his work. Awesome.

@KeshavSrinivasan I think we can see only see shiva through Yoga on Kailasa. Else, Satellite pictures should find Shiva out. Yeah. Other dimension is just me and tezz are proposing. It could or couldn't be true.

Sree Charan

8:55 AM

@Tezz It is addressed to शिव if it is addressed to शिवा it would be शिवायै नमः.

@TheDestroyer Kudos to all the people participating in the site and giving quality answers.

@KeshavSrinivasan I went offline due to network problems. I was about to ask regarding that. I have seen a video on YT by ISKCON.

Ramanujacharya at Jagannath Puri

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I didn't like the language they used because the lord wouldn't use that rude language against his favourite bhakta anytime.

Sree Charan

9:16 AM

Increase of upvotes to an answer also caused the increase in %. We should not upvote if there is an answer which doesn't deserve a vote. @TheDestroyer @Tezz @Pandya @KeshavSrinivasan @SwiftPushkar @AnkitSharma @KrishnShweta

Tezz

9:48 AM

@SreeCharan what I believe is most of the answer deserve upvote.. In my view there are only two cases... 1) answer answered here deserve upvote 2) answer answered here deserve deletion... so I believe if an answer doesn't deserve deletion (it means fulfilling sites criteria) then it deserves upvote...

@SreeCharan in my view.. answer deserve downvote only in extremely rare cases... like demeaning Dharma.. showing extreme sectarian biases... cursing/scolding Acharyas/Users etc....

Sree Charan

@Tezz upvoting to an answer is good and appreciated. But upvoting for effort sends a wrong message to the OP that his answer is good.

Tezz

@SreeCharan this is my own personal analysis.. So I upvote nearly all answer (and question) which do not deserve deletion...or either cite delete vote... So I have high amount of upvote votes casted... 2800 +....

Sree Charan

@Tezz I agree. IMO if that is not the case, we should stay silent. no upvote/downvote. Also a reason fpr downvote should also be given below.

@Tezz That's a bif number and only @TheDestroyer has cast more votes than you on the whole.

Tezz

@SreeCharan yes, Destroyer has crossed 3600+...

@KeshavSrinivasan I don't think you can see Shiva when you reach on top of Kailash.. Mahabharata clearly says that it's extremely difficult... "Except by Nara and Narayana, he is incapable of being seen by the diverse classes of Munis, the gods with Vasava at their head, the Gandharvas, the Yakshas, and the Siddhas. "..... hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/8975/…

Sree Charan

@Tezz IMO, Upvote for every answer decreases the quality of the site. But a vote for question is OK. upvote means "this answer is useful".

@Tezz Did you see answer for the puzzle of panchakshari?

The Destroyer

10:08 AM

@Tezz in my Puja room, there is separate Durga ma photo beside family of Shiva. I say "Om Namah Shivaaaya" to Durga as i don't know her mantra. Haha.

@SreeCharan I agree with Tezz. We should encourage people by upvoting if answers are scripturally correct with proper citations. Even questions which shown efforts or genuine in conetent should be upvoted. Reputation is what drives the site. It also encourages. People may have their own choices but i feel this as healthy.

@SreeCharan I think it is for Shiva only, as this mantra is taken from Sri Rudram.

The Destroyer

11:01 AM

@SreeCharan It depends. I don't upvote all answers. I upvote answer with scriptural references and among them which i feel correct. For me, some Dharma Sastra statements look incorrect or misinterpreted, i won't upvote them.

Sree Charan

3:37 PM

@TheDestroyer Shivayai namah is the mantra(feminine)

@TheDestroyer OK. I too support that we should encourage new users and upvote gives a boost.

@Pandya@Keshav @AnkitSharma Should I delete this question?

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Q: Can we have more polite statement for closing a question as duplicate?

When we mark a question (say A) duplicate of other question (say B), the following sentence appears in the comment section by default. Possible duplicate of "question B" Instead of that can we have more polite sentence which would say Your question already has an answer here. You may...

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Ankit Sharma

3:57 PM

@SreeCharan why?

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