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system automatically deletes tags that don't get love. if there's only one question with a particular tag for a year, it'll get scrubbed because one-question-tags are useless tags.

yasar11732

I am 4th best Qur'an asker!

goldPseudo

if there's no tag left on the question after that, it goes into untagged.

woo! i'm the local expert on zakat!

and, apparently, divorce. :/

yasar11732

I am top last 30 day askers on Hadith.

sorry, I mean answerer

Hey, even if post is not tagged, system can recognize the words in them that are tags, and counts them

That is kind of neat :)

goldPseudo

really?

i've been cleaning up a lot of tags lately. maybe it's just one that's been edited and hasn't refreshed yet?

i'm also a local expert in finance.

yasar11732

@goldPseudo Actually, I guess I am mistaken. Nevermind

I am top tafseer asker

goldPseudo

2:36 AM

i'm considering writing a meta post suggesting everyone get some tag cleanup done. there's a lot of messy tags all up in this joint.

yasar11732

I guess my biggest contribution to community was asking questions.

goldPseudo

just a general "Great Tag Cleanup Project" type thing. everyone knows what they are (or should) be experts in, so they should know how best to apply those tags.

@yasar11732 well, you're apparently one of who-knows-how-many users who are experts in quran. it's your best tag :p

yasar11732

I don't thing everyone cleaning their own tags would work as much as you think, because we have lots of users who just ask couple of questions and disappear.

Someone should clean up after them

goldPseudo

well, the thing is, the tag score is based on answers.

while the tags are placed on questions.

so we'd get the people who write answers cleaning up after the questioners anyway.

yasar11732

Do we have shaving experts?

goldPseudo

2:41 AM

[tag:shaving]

or [meta-tag:discussion] for tags on meta.

yasar11732

Ok, thanks :)

How did you escape it though?

goldPseudo

backticks.

yasar11732

By the way, is source-identification something you can be expert in?

I don't think you can escape backtick :)

goldPseudo

i tried.

if we had backtick i would not be an expert in it.

i reckon source-identification can have experts. basically that would be based on how large a library one has access to and how well one can navigate it.

a hadith scholar who could correctly rattle off chapter and verse of any major references would well-deserve being recognized as that sort of expert.

or someone with incredible google-fu.

yasar11732

I think most source identification questions would be hadith questions

But I guess they are not exactly the same

And since we require references, all questions can be seen as source-identification in some way or another?

goldPseudo

2:53 AM

i could probably stand to clear up that tag wiki.

yasar11732

"Is this true" <--?--> "Where it is said that this is true" => will elicit similiar answers

goldPseudo

source-identification is basically for "I'm trying to find this particular hadith" type questions.

not "Is there any hadith supporting such-and-such"

like if you've heard a hadith quoted or paraphrased, and want to find the actual text of it.

or if a hadith is mentioned in an essay, and you want to find the original source of it.

yasar11732

ok, so if the asker doesn't know what exactly he is looking for, it is not to be tagged source identification?

goldPseudo

pretty much.

yasar11732

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Q: Is raising hands in du'a (dua) bid'ah?

I have many questions about that: Is raising one's hands for du'a after each and every salat bid'a? Is it true that the Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) never really raised his hands in Du'a except in Salat Istisqa'a (salat in which people ask Allah to bring rains)? Are there other instances where t...

What do you think?

goldPseudo

2:56 AM

yeah, that one wouldn't be a good use for source-identification. islamic-basis, probably.

which i more-or-less created just because i didn't want those types of questions polluting my source-identification tag :)

yasar11732

updated

How is this islamic basis?

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Q: Can Allah create a rock that He can't lift?

If Allah has all the power and can do anything can he create something (e.g. a rock) that he himself can't lift? If the answer was no doesn't that mean that he is not able to do something which contradicts the view of Islam that Allah can do anything?

allah islamic-philosophy islamic-basis omnipotence-paradox

goldPseudo

see, this is why we need tag cleanups :p

yasar11732

By the way, I have a very good answer to that question but it is kind of one liner :/

goldPseudo

one liners can still be good answers. it's rare, but it happens.

that's why the system shunts such things into the LQ queue instead of just automatically deleting them.

yasar11732

How about this;

Lifting means overpowering gravity, verb lifting in its literal sense doesn't apply to God, because it is God who decides what is gravity and how it works. Therefore, question is paradoxical in itself.

or, something similiar

If God needed to lift something, it would require other source of power outside of God, which is inconsistent with our definition of God

Would this answer work?

Well, according to me, the question doesn't even make any sense, I am not sure why some people are obsessed with it.

goldPseudo

3:06 AM

i'm not a fan of such questions in general. in my experience, they're more often used to trick people than they are for actual philosophical insight.

"Can God create a triangle with four sides?"

yasar11732

Hey, that is actually a good example why this question is not valid.

goldPseudo

you basically need to be an expert in formal logic to handle something like this effectively.

yasar11732

I will take a shot at it, the worst I can get is couple of downvotes :)

goldPseudo

woo. my tag score list is up to date again.

i'm still most expert in quran though.

don't want to flood too much of the front page with tag edits right now.

yasar11732

It would be nice if tag edits didn't show up on homepage

goldPseudo

3:14 AM

well, yes and no. i'm not comfortable with the idea that anything can be edited without being bumped, otherwise the peer-review system takes a hit.

not sure how abusive tag edits can actually end up being, but it's still nice to know that such edits can't bypass the radar entirely.

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Q: Allow non-bumping minor edits, but review them on /review

Every edit, no matter how minor, bumps a question to the frontpage of an SE site. This behaviour is important to allow the community to review edits, but it also creates significant problems when a lot of edits are performed at once. What I propose is to allow minor edits that are not bumped to t...

feature-request edits review moderator-tools bump

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Q: Tool for peer-reviewed no-bump mass retagging

Cleaning up a bad or ambiguous tag is a very annoying and disruptive process. While there are moderator tools for renaming and merging tags, there is no tool that helps splitting a tag or removing a bad tag and replacing it with useful tags. There are two ways one can currently clean up a tag, p...

discussion feature-request tags moderator-tools

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Q: System to enable hand-sorted moderator retagging for sizeable disambiguation jobs

This is a hopefully less complex alternative to this old request, directed mostly at the same problem. This request was inspired from Jeff Atwood's comment on this answer, quoted for quick reference: [...] mass retagging should be done by moderators using tag rename and tag merge tools anyway...

feature-request moderator-tools ambiguous-tags

@yasar11732 you're not the first to think of it :)

yasar11732

:)

@goldPseudo Can I use your example in my answer?

goldPseudo

knock yourself out.

yasar11732

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A: Can Allah create a rock that He can't lift?

Lifting involves applying force grater than gravity to an item in the opposite direction of gravity. To be able to lift something, you need to overcome gravity. The lifting action doesn't apply to Allah (c.c) in it's literal sense, because Allah (c.c) doesn't need to overcome gravity, because, ...

I gave my shot at it, I hope it was good.

Battle of Karbala

5:31 AM

@BleedingFingers Salam brother, when two text are using one Arabic Islamic source book the issue is different and similarity of some words can be accepted. because in fact they are translating same text. unless the sentences is exactly copied. I can not say any percent but if I compare two text I can judge if there is any plagiarism or not.

in this case I consider the similarity because of both content are translating from the same Arabic source. also we can believe in what our users say. if they say I did not plagiarized it we can consider this a honestly expression. we can trust our users of community and do not treat they like an enemy in war. there is not enough evidence for proving it is plagiarized so we can trust the user and leave it.

Also in Islamic ethics the default is considering others honest. being suspicious to others is banned in Islam. tanzil.net/#49:12

goldPseudo

6:41 AM

22 messages deleted

muslim1

I submitted a polite request to please not delete these message. This will show how is right and how wrong.

muslim1

6:56 AM

@Ansari we need to address some of the issues here

it is better to resolve it internally. Or I will have to take it up to SE

Islam.SE

-1

Q: Are moderators being rude here in the Chat room?

I have had a chat with one of the moderators (golePsedueo) in the main chatroom. He accused me of harassing him, where I dont see an harassment and in fact said 'shut up' to me. He has previously flagged me for being rude. I am not sure if I am rude or he is. Do we need such moderators here? Plea...

discussion moderators moderation

Islam.SE

10:53 AM

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Q: What kind of answers are acceptable in islam.stackexchange?

I encountered the following deinitions in wikipedia : Primary source material is original material or conclusions. Secondary sourced material is based on primary sourced material, and may include synthesis, but not novel conclusions. tertiary source is one that is based on a broad base...

discussion moderation faq-content plagiarism

Bleeding Fingers

1:01 PM

@goldPseudo what third-party text are you referring to here?

@BattleofKarbala I try my best to give the benefit of doubt when there is lack of evidence. But in the case of that answer. The evidences, referred to in the search links, are glaring.

There is no question of honesty here. The author AFAIK hasn't claimed that he didn't copy content from elsewhere in the face of the evidence.

@BattleofKarbala May I know the *exact * Islamic Arabic source you're referring to? Translating an Arabic source word by word into the answer can also be considered as copy-paste. Way I see it.

yasar11732

1:31 PM

Do you think it would be good to have tags for each surah of Qur'an, so that they can be applied to tafseer questions?

Mohammad Hossein

2:35 PM

@goldPseudo I tried to modify my answer to question:
http://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/12848/did-yazid-order-his-soldiers-to-kill-imam-hussain

@goldPseudo then I flagged the answer, but unfortunately it is not undeleted. Please tell me why? as a moderator you should be able to clarify the issue and telling me why the answer is not undeleted. thanks

goldPseudo

3:52 PM

@BleedingFingers It's not plagiarism per se, since it's attributed at the front of the post, but a lot of the text is just a direct translation (possibly self-translated; it doesn't come up in google searches) of Ghazali's book.

the problem was mostly formatting. i tried to edit it before leaving the comment to block quote things properly, but it was such a mess i left it as futile.

hi brothers!

hi

assalmu alikom!

wa 'alaykum assalaam

wa Alaikum salam

3:55 PM

Wa Alaikum Salam :)

Bludream

uh, goldpseudo always dealing with delete situations

Al Ummat

always?

yasar11732

That is quite incorrect

Bludream

ehh, just meant like "uh seeing you again explaining about deleted answers"

hehe, everyone becomes so angry having a deleted answer!

and all mods here it seems!

at least all active mods!

nice!

yasar11732

Since more people are here, I will re-ask this question;

3 hours ago, by yasar11732

Do you think it would be good to have tags for each surah of Qur'an, so that they can be applied to tafseer questions?

goldPseudo

4:03 PM

i'm hardly a mufassir, but i'm not sure that would be useful.

the real question with tags would basically be "is anyone likely to sort and/or filter based on that tag?"

is there anyone that would care about tafsir-al-baqarah in particular, compared to just tafsir?

yasar11732

If someone had a deep study of say, ya-sin, they can follow that tag. I am unaware of any such users right now, but we could have those in feature

goldPseudo

(as compared to tagging it tafsir and arbitrary-topic-of-that-tafsir)

Al Ummat

@yasar11732 it may be usefull especially for some Suar, like suratinnisa' and others, but there are 114 surahs in the Quran so really it may be useful and it may be kind of overwhelming, some maybe used others may not

goldPseudo

i can see it being useful to some users, but i reckon it's better to let those users create the tags themselves. not something we should try to create up front.

i've created some tags of questionable use myself (which eventually got automatically deleted because nobody else used them).

Bludream

and it will be alot of tags

kind of messy

goldPseudo

4:07 PM

there's no real harm in creating extra tags. if they're not used, they're dumped. if they are used, then there's obviously experts to which it would apply and they can decide what to do with it after that.

yasar11732

ok.

Bludream

but the idea is ver ynice

is there any such site where you could search surah or ayah based on tags?

yasar11732

halal-haram and sin-or-not seem to be duplicate

Bludream

like listing ayahs based on say "human"

?

I mean based on the subject of idea

Bleeding Fingers

@yasar11732 bringing it up on meta would be better thing to do.

although I'm in favor of creating a specific tag for a each chapter

Bludream

4:12 PM

salam @BleedingFingers

Bleeding Fingers

skip the "surah"

yasar11732

I guess best thing to do would be wait until the need arises.

Bleeding Fingers

and let it just be al-baqarah

exactly. the thing I was going to say

yasar11732

Yes, it looks cleaner

goldPseudo

@BleedingFingers that could be problematic for some suwar. muhammad comes to mind.

Bleeding Fingers

4:16 PM

what about a difference which could be used in questions related to difference in practice/belief etc ?

yasar11732

anbiya also

@BleedingFingers I am not sure if anyone would need to search/filter by that

Bleeding Fingers

@Bludream salam

prophet-muhammad would do in that case

goldPseudo

it would be very open to confusion.

Bleeding Fingers

a description would do. wouldn't it?

Bludream

why not surat_muhammad

goldPseudo

4:18 PM

and given how much more likely it is someone would post a question about Muhammad the prophet than about Muhammad the surah, it would probably need perpetual cleanup.

not everyone reads the descriptions before selecting tags.

Bleeding Fingers

@yasar11732 in that case a description would clear the confusion

@Bludream i think that's just redundant

or we could make an exception in those case

yasar11732

Should we merge halal-haram and sin-or-not

goldPseudo

@yasar11732 possibly. that should probably go on meta though.

Bleeding Fingers

e.g. surah-muhammad

goldPseudo

there's a lot of questions in both of those tags which would need to be checked.

Bleeding Fingers

4:22 PM

nahh. I think those have subtle differences

yasar11732

I don't see how one of them wouldn't apply to other

goldPseudo

i think islamic-rules, sharia, fatwa, halal and haram are all used for the same class of questions too. fatwa questions in general are a mess.

the pedant in me refuses to make "halal" a synonym with "haram" though :p

Bleeding Fingers

I'm maybe wrong in that case but I think there is a difference.

yasar11732

And all tags that start with islamic seems off to me

goldPseudo

there could well be (hence needing to actually check the existing questions to see if they're being used differently).

Bleeding Fingers

4:24 PM

or maybe I need to take a look at the proper definition of haram

yasar11732

Actually, there is a difference. Haram means forbidden, sin means commiting something forbidden.

Haram is a judgement and sin is an act, but in the end, they are very similiar

goldPseudo

the hanafi school considers makruh tahrim to be sinful, but not haram. the other schools don't make that distinction though.

Bleeding Fingers

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Q: Is it necessary to have "islamic" or "muslim" in tags?

Is it necessary to have "islamic" (islamic-rules) or "muslim" (muslim-practices) in a tag? We already have a mega tag on top-left corner of the site which reads "Islam", so wouldn't tags like rules and practices do?

discussion

yasar11732

muslim-practices -> aren't those questions considered off-topic?

Bludream

3

Q: Is it our duty to help the mujahideen FSA?

Brothers, as I'm sure you're aware our fellow brothers are in a fight in Syria against the Rajeem who are butchering our women and children, oppressing and trying to stay in power. What does Allah say about helping our brothers out? And, if it is our religious duty to help the mujahideen win thei...

jihad

I see this question still alive,

Al Ummat

4:37 PM

0

Q: What should we do about the [tag:shia-sunni] tag?

I personally think that the shia-sunni tag should not exist on the main site, but since it seems to be used to ask the differences between Sunni and Shiism I think that is a fair reason to keep it. So I think it should be renamed or something, I saw we have on the main site a tag called differen...

discussion tag

Bludream

and I'm not yet 2k to veen vote for it

Islam.SE

0

Q: What should we do about the [tag:shia-sunni] tag?

I personally think that the shia-sunni tag should not exist on the main site, but since it seems to be used to ask the differences between Sunni and Shiism I think that is a fair reason to keep it. So I think it should be renamed or something, I saw we have on the main site a tag called differen...

discussion tag

Bludream

so would someone care to delete it,?

yasar11732

@AlUmmat How about using both shia and sunni if one asks questions about differences between two sects?

Because if shia-sunni is valid, also all kind of tags like hanafi-maliki would be valid, and tags could get quite messy

cross product of all the schools of thoughts could be quite large

Al Ummat

@yasar11732 yes that is the proper, but I don't think this could happen as long as the shia-sunni exists, because not only does it seem users use it to ask the differences, but they seem to also use it to ask for answer from both sunni and shia. and they even seem to use this tag even if a question already has a shiism or sunni tags or even both.

Bleeding Fingers

4:46 PM

@yasar11732 Well there could be a legitimate use case of this.

yasar11732

if they ask about difference between different schools of thoughts it can be tagged like this sunni, shiism, comparison

Bleeding Fingers

I saw this guy doing ... after/before is this an islamic practice?

Bludream

yea, I like the idea of @yasar11732 it would be mouch better that way

Al Ummat

@yasar11732 ok. But then what should be done about the shia-sunni tag, I believe it's purpose is a bit unclear especially observing how it is used.

yasar11732

There are 43 questions, wouldn't be too hard to edit manually, and tag them with sunni, shiism and remove that tag

Al Ummat

4:51 PM

ok

goldPseudo

@yasar11732 not sure that sort of tagging would really work.

yasar11732

why not?

I am unsure about comparison tag myself

goldPseudo

i can easily see someone being interested in following sunni and ignoring shiism.

yasar11732

In that case, he wouldn't see comparison questions?

goldPseudo

so something like that just seems like it would be confusing, especially since it's not really looking for Sunni or Shi'ite answers.

Bludream

4:53 PM

no it seems good

goldPseudo

rather, it's looking for a particular answer covering both points of view. in other words, sunni-shia.

that's just my take.

Bludream

as @AlUmmat said there are 3 different use case for that currently

goldPseudo

it's targetting a particular species of expert. i don't know that comparison carries that same oomph.

are there experts in...comparing...things?

yasar11732

Yes, I didn't like comparison very much myself too :)

@goldPseudo Maybe they are very good at critical thinking

goldPseudo

is there a standard term for Comparative-Islam (a la comparative religion?)

Al Ummat

4:56 PM

@goldPseudo I know الفقه المقارن

not sure of comparative-islam

yasar11732

We can have something like schools-of-thought for questions that seek comparison between any two schools of thought

That would apply to sunni-shiism and all other cases

goldPseudo

but a lot of the sunni-shia stuff isn't madh'hab based.

a lot of it is history.

yasar11732

We have islamic-events and history for questions that involve history

How about sect-comparison

Al Ummat

@yasar11732 we have sects

which also seems multi-purpose

among them comparision

yasar11732

sects doesn't necessarily involve making a comparison.

Al Ummat

5:01 PM

@yasar11732 no, not mainly

Bleeding Fingers

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Comparative Religion

Proposed Q&A site for people who are interested in the academic comparison of various religions

Currently in definition.

yasar11732

I am rooting for madhab-comparison and sect-comparison and geting rid of shia-sunni

goldPseudo

complex issue. definitely needs meta discussion.

Al Ummat

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Q: What should we do about the [tag:shia-sunni] tag?

I personally think that the shia-sunni tag should not exist on the main site, but since it seems to be used to ask the differences between Sunni and Shiism I think that is a fair reason to keep it. So I think it should be renamed or something, I saw we have on the main site a tag called differen...

discussion tag

that is what I intended

Bleeding Fingers

@goldPseudo had already been initiated by you

goldPseudo

5:04 PM

God-willing, i'll collect my thoughts and reply to your post if/when i have time.

Bludream

I would vote for sect-comparison

Bleeding Fingers

3

Q: What is the "shia-sunni" tag for? Do we even need it?

Currently, we have a shia-sunni tag (16th most popular on the site), but it's not very clear what this tag is for, or why we would need it. The tag wiki simply explains what the Shi'a and the Sunni are, but it doesn't explain anything about the use-case of such a tag. We already have tags for s...

discussion tag

the highest voted answer says keep it for difference related questions

goldPseudo

me, personally, i like shia-sunni if only because it gives me something i can ignore.

Bludream

This tag made me kind of curios? we have no shia mod, right?

Bleeding Fingers

honestly, I like it too. It's simple. But at the same time it looks slightly crude and reflects on the fact that we couldn't come up with a better idea.

Al Ummat

5:08 PM

@Bludream right

Bludream

that's a little unfair

Al Ummat

@Bludream in what way?

moderators are not chosen based on sunni or shia

Bleeding Fingers

@Bludream I wish I could DV that.

Bludream

in a way there is no mod to defend cases where another mod acts based on his own sect

Al Ummat

@Bludream moderators do not act based on their sect but act based on the benefit for this site they act as moderators, and if there was a problem the community team would deal with it

even if there was a shia moderator

yasar11732

5:11 PM

Anyone can defend their own case. What difference does it make if that someone is mod or not?

Al Ummat

does that mean he can act on his sect but we cannot?

and anyway this site is not run by moderators

but by the community

and until that is realized we are far from graduating

Bludream

well, your claim is hard to prove

Al Ummat

@Bludream what claim?

Bludream

"moderators do not act based on their sect but act based on the benefit for this site"

Al Ummat

@Bludream then I am sorry I cannot help you think otherwise

Bludream

5:14 PM

no it's ok, I understand it,

and you don't need to help me to think the way it isn't

Al Ummat

:)

Bludream

;)

it's just mods and the government system of SE

lol, have you read this?

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Q: What form of government does StackExchange resemble?

It's not representative democracy, because the decisions are taken by the entire community, but they are weighted :P The closest one that comes into my mind is the "Venus project" :)

form-of-government

Al Ummat

yes

Bludream

your opinion?

which form?

Al Ummat

@Bludream really nothing this answer doesn't say, as that is how I came understand the SE, and that is clear from the privileges page

Bludream

5:20 PM

and you never really used the power of being a mod to defend sunni sect?

never when editing or voting or ...?

Al Ummat

@Bludream I am able to vote and edit even if I weren't as a mod, so my actions as a mod are going to be no different then the actions of when I am not a mod except my actions as a moderator are accelerated. I do not defend the sunni sect, I try to defend Islam and the truth, and yes I try to do that on here but that does not get in the way of taking a moderator action.

meaning most moderator actions I take, I try to base it the best I can on the policies of this site, and such actions I don't think will be different from a sunni or shia moderator

Bludream

that's it!!! I just said it would be fair to also let a shia mod exist

atleast 1

Al Ummat

@Bludream whoever told you it is impossible?

Bludream

the law of graduation and then voting for mods!

Al Ummat

we currently have enough moderators, but you might just see a "shia" moderator in the future

@Bludream that is when we graduate, and we are far from it especially if people keep thinking that moderators run this site, and the moderators are sunni dictators

yasar11732

5:29 PM

It is quite possible that someone from shia sect would be appointed as a mod before the graduation, if one of the mods decides to resign or something. I don't think the idea is very far fetched.

Bludream

I see we have a inactive mod

yasar11732

On the other hand, thinking that a mod from the shia sect would be shia moderator is problematic

Al Ummat

@Bludream moderators have their lives, we are not required to be on the internet 24 hours and seven days

yasar11732

s/he would just be a moderator

Bludream

anyway I think it would be better we act based on researches and proofs rather than just trying to advertise our sect

Al Ummat

5:31 PM

I have said what I said, and I am done speaking.

Bludream

I just said it would be more fair, there are cases where the mod edits or deletes bases on his personal view

goldPseudo

anyone with enough reputation can edit and anyone with enough reputation can delete.

ANYONE.

Bludream

@AlUmmat, uh ok no problem! I meant no harm. just discussing matters

goldPseudo

there is very little that a diamond moderator can do that literally ANYONE else can't.

Bludream

ehh, then why we have mods? you know when I said a mod I'm referring to just those things that ONLY mods can do

goldPseudo

5:37 PM

because sometimes stuff needs to be dealt with faster than the community can handle them.

we're human exception handlers.

and glorified janitors.

Bludream

well, right! I just said no sect or personal view should enter that area

yasar11732

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Q: Who are the diamond moderators, and what is their role?

Some people have a diamond after their username (ex: Jeff Atwood♦) What special privileges do diamond moderators have? How can I become a diamond moderator? Who are the diamond moderators? How many are there? For more information, see Who are the site moderators, and what is their role h...

support faq moderators

Al Ummat

@Bludream then why do you want a "shia" moderator?

goldPseudo

even if i wasn't a diamond moderator, i would still vote and edit and flag and delete based on what i think is best for the site.

personal view is impossible to escape; what i think is best for the site is very possibly not the same as what others think is best.

Bludream

I don't want it, I just said it would be more fair! referring to my thought about not " no sect or personal view should enter that area"

@goldPseudo, so just don't say we're exception handlers.

goldPseudo

5:43 PM

if we start any sort of affirmative action program, then where will it end? we'll need a Shi'a mod, then we'll need an Ahmadi mod, then we'll need a Qur'an-only mod, then we'll need a Hanafi mod, then we'll need a Salafi mod, then we'll need a mujtahid mod....

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yasar11732

We also need an Atheist mod, to defend the questions Atheists ask regarding islam

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Bludream

bludream said : "
I don't want it, I just said it would be more fair! referring to my thought about not " no sect or personal view should enter that area""

Bleeding Fingers

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Q: Brothers, we are not Christians‼

I am a Christian. You say you are. But we are not.1 It seems that a lot of folks are having a hard time wrapping their heads around the scope of this site. While I respect the SE staff2 and have been impressed with the effort they have taken (and judgement they have shown) in nurturing this site...

discussion site-definition sensitive-topics

yasar11732

@BleedingFingers ohh, I forgot about that one. It is a good one.

Al Ummat

@Bludream this isn't about fairness, this is sectarianism!

Bludream

5:46 PM

what do you mean?

Bleeding Fingers

Just in case we drifted too far. We were discussing tags fellas.

goldPseudo

if you don't want to risk moderators bringing their own personal biases into site curation, you need to make sure the site can stay stable without moderator intervention.

the SE model is one of community moderation. if diamond mods need to step in for any reason, the only tool we have is the diamond hammer so every problem looks like a nail.

Al Ummat

@Bludream the fact that you think the existence of a "shia" moderator is fair, is that you think that all the current moderators cannot do their jobs properly because their sunni view get in the way, so if there is a "shia" moderator, his shia views would get in his way and contradict the other moderators in their actions

which is not constructive, if you want a fifth moderator and call that fair then say so, but there is no such thing as a sunni or shia moderator

Bludream

@BleedingFingers, right sorry for that!

@AlUmmat: bludream said : "
I don't want it, I just said it would be more fair! referring to my thought about not " no sect or personal view should enter that area""

yasar11732

6 mins ago, by goldPseudo

if you don't want to risk moderators bringing their own personal biases into site curation, you need to make sure the site can stay stable without moderator intervention.

Bludream

5:54 PM

@AlUmmat: just wanted to say my view about you mods not letting their personal view into their work

@yasar11732, exactly, and site won't be stable when mods don't do their job

Al Ummat

interesting, I didn't realize we have a non-muslim tag

Bleeding Fingers

huh. no description as usual

will need to spend time on that

yasar11732

I didn't realize we had time

goldPseudo

i'm apparently the expert on time.

yasar11732

offtopic: @AlUmmat There is a difference in Arabic between "Allazi pray" and "mu-pray-oon" right?

Bludream

6:00 PM

ok then brothers , have a nice time! see you khodahafez

Bleeding Fingers

what about time-travel? :p

Al Ummat

should we merge diet with halal-haram or food?

Bleeding Fingers

@Bludream take-care

@AlUmmat neither

Al Ummat

@Bludream yes, take care, salam Alaikum

@yasar11732 sorry I don't understand, I can't really read transliteration

yasar11732

Allazi -> those

pray -> make salah

mu-pray-oon -> Also, those who make salah

But I guess there is a difference between them

Al Ummat

6:04 PM

ok I seem to get the first one

الذي يصلي

but the second? "المصلون" ?

first one who prays, second those who pray

yasar11732

Hmm. I thought first one meant those who pray occasionally, and second one meant who who pray consistently.

Because I thought if you put "moo" at the beginning, it would indicate a constant character.

Al Ummat

@yasar11732 as for the first, it is referring to one, as for the second, I am only guessing what the transliteration says

yasar11732

@AlUmmat I will try to find examples

Al Ummat

@yasar11732 the waw at the end refers to a group

yasar11732

The second one: quran.com/70/22

First one: quran.com/33/43

If for example, this ayah said, la musalloo, instead of la salla, would it make a difference.

quran.com/75/31

Al Ummat

6:18 PM

there is major difference between the three

in the first it is refering to one, and with the context it is referring to Allah

in the second it is referring to a group, but because I guessed it had waw Jama'a, but with the context it is referring to anyone who matches the description

as for the third

it is by itself refers to one

but with the context it refers to the one who is the loser on Yamul Qiyamah

@yasar11732 I am not sure if that helped

yasar11732

Thanks, it was helpful. I was looking at something else for a moment, so I couldn't respond

Mohammad Hossein

6:34 PM

@muslim1 I am in agreement with you but As a muslim we have to be polite.

muslim1

@MohammadHossein Thx. I am very happy to take any criticsm. I take that as constructive.

May be I am wrong but can someone explain to me, who did I insult someone who how dare someone say to me 'shut up' and no one flags him!

goldPseudo

7:55 PM

@AlUmmat i'm pretty sure halal-haram is being used for a lot of fatwa-type questions which aren't food-relevant.

there's enough questions about food/diet alone to warrant its own tag.

Al Ummat

ok so we leave it

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