Jaami'at StackExchange al-Islamyya

12:03 AM

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Q: Does StackExchange have a feature which restricts new users from using already taken usernames?

I've seen two new users with the username "Islam" and "muslim" which has already been taken by 2 users. This will be really confusing if in the future new users decide to use these 2 names. Is there a feature we can use to restrict them from choosing a name taken by someone ? also, How do we deal...

Al Ummat

@Islam.SE Alhamdulillah there is only one Al Ummat :)

yasar11732

12:18 AM

And I don't think anyone would ever take my name :D

My screen name is so unique!

Al Ummat

:)

goldPseudo

i've had my same username for decades.

and i'm in no hurry to start tacking numbers on the end of it. anyone else wants to be a goldPseudo, they can do the number-tacking thing. i was here first.

yasar11732

12:38 AM

Just curious, what does goldPseudo mean?

goldPseudo

damned if i know.

i used to just be "Pseudo", then an IRC joke took on a life of its own.

i used to just change my prefix to show my status (awayPseudo, sleepingPseudo, workPseudo, etc)

can't even remember where "gold" came from, but it stuck.

yasar11732

@goldPseudo "And if someone wants to be called the same name as a dozen, or a hundred, or two thousand ninety-nine other people on the site, so be it." --> Nice conclusion

goldPseudo

i would've posted quicker, but it took time to count all those Johns.

yasar11732

:) I looked for the total results in search page and couldn't find it. I guess it wasn't there after all

goldPseudo

1:05 AM

wouldn't help anyway; the username search filters by substring.

there's only 2099 users named "John", but there's a lot more who just happen to have "John" in their username somewhere.

only fifty-eight pages plus change of just "John"

yasar11732

I wonder if that is the most common name

goldPseudo

wouldn't be surprised. most common of the ones I searched.

nope. apparently it's Alex.

data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/147990/…

yasar11732

And John appears to be 3189

goldPseudo

pretty sure the username search on-site filters out suspended users. i assume the data explorer doesn't, but that's just a guess.

(the idea that there's 190 suspended Johns on SO alone seems shocking, but SO's numbers are typically ridiculous because, hey, SO.)

yasar11732

data.stackexchange.com/islam/revision/193534/250358

goldPseudo

1:17 AM

wouldn't be surprised if there's some sort of "must log in at least x times" filter too.

not exactly sure how the filter works. i know that i can't always find someone when i'm looking for them by name.

yasar11732

data.stackexchange.com/islam/query/193537/most-viewed-questions

I like this data thingy. I wasn't aware it existed.

Most Answered: data.stackexchange.com/islam/query/193538/…

Battle of Karbala

5:25 AM

@goldPseudo as I see both content used the same Arabic source book. so it is not amazing that both content look similar. anyway although they are similar but I can not say it is Plagiarism. any similarity is not Plagiarism. specially when both content use the same Arabic source book. similarity can be accidental. it is not right to delete posts before being ensured about Plagiarism.

@BleedingFingers OK, then what does this duckduckgo link prove? there are some search results that contain some of words of the content that is claimed to be Plagiarism. so what? I do not understand how this link prove the content is Plagiarism! please fear God and do not accuse others for Plagiarism before you become ensured. tanzil.net/#49:12 anyway I think your link is not enough to prove it is a Plagiarism.

goldPseudo

@BattleofKarbala don't insult me.

Battle of Karbala

the similarity can be accidental. even if it is really Plagiarism but still your evidence is not enough.

@goldPseudo Salam, again accuse of insult. I do not see where is my insult.

I made an advice for you. is it insult?

muslim1

@goldPseudo do you have some kind of enmity against @BattleofKarbala, Please explain the insult

goldPseudo

it was flagged for plagiarism. i checked the post, and confirmed plagiarism.

muslim1

Where is insult?

Battle of Karbala

5:36 AM

@goldPseudo OK where is my insult?

goldPseudo

your insult is assuming i'm too stupid to do my job.

Battle of Karbala

you are not God. you are a human and human possibly can have error.

muslim1

call

Battle of Karbala

@goldPseudo No I do not assume you are stupid. instead I really think you are clever. but I consider the possibility of an unintentional error in deleting the answer.

you have misinterpreted my advice.

goldPseudo

you are assuming i can't tell the difference between plagiarism and accidental use of similar words.

yes, maybe it was accidental.

i made a judgement.

that's my job.

if you don't like that, fine. bring it up on meta.

don't just sit here and treat me as if i don't know how to read.

Battle of Karbala

5:39 AM

NO. the only thing I assume is the possibility of an unintentional error

you did your job right.

you judged

but any judge can have error

goldPseudo

so?

Battle of Karbala

unless he is infallible

goldPseudo

so i shouldn't do anything because i might make a mistake?

Battle of Karbala

so I have an advice for reconsidering it and rechecking it

goldPseudo

how long did i spend considering and checking it in the first place?

do you have any clue?

Battle of Karbala

5:41 AM

I do not know

goldPseudo

then why do you assume i didn't spend long enough?

Battle of Karbala

perhaps 30 min

goldPseudo

just because my judgement disagreed with yours?

Battle of Karbala

no dear brother

goldPseudo

if i'm wrong, God will judge. what does it matter if you decide i might've made a mistake?

Battle of Karbala

5:41 AM

not just because my judgement disagreed with me.

goldPseudo

why do you judge me?

Battle of Karbala

but because there is not enough evidence for Plagiarism

I did not judge you

I am not sure I am right

goldPseudo

then why do you assume i am wrong?

Battle of Karbala

I only considered a possiblity

I did not assume

possibility is different of assuming certainly.

perhaps I am wrong

I ask for a review and recheck

goldPseudo

in other words, you ask me to waste my time.

Battle of Karbala

5:44 AM

considering I have not seen any evidence that prove it is Plagiarism

goldPseudo

it's not my responsibility to prove anything to you.

Battle of Karbala

this is commiunity

goldPseudo

no, this is chat.

you want to bring it up to the community, take it to meta.

Battle of Karbala

I mean this site is a commiunity

what you consider it waste of time is needed for commiunity

are you sure the user has committed Plagiarism?

goldPseudo

yes.

i made a judgement.

Battle of Karbala

5:45 AM

only because of some words are similar?

No problem

you did your job well

goldPseudo

if you want a judge who is 100% infallible, this is not the site to find them.

Battle of Karbala

so I want to ask another mod recheck it

goldPseudo

why?

why don't you prove your own case?

instead of wasting moderators time?

you're the one claiming it's not plagiarism.

Battle of Karbala

because I think possibly your judgement is wrong

in fact I proved here in chat

my prove is that there is no evidence for it being Plagiarism

goldPseudo

despite the fact that links were provided and two people decided it was plagiarism.

Battle of Karbala

5:48 AM

partial similarity of two content specially when they have the same Arabic book source is not enough evidence for Plagiarism.

goldPseudo

make your case, bring it to meta. don't play games in chat.

Battle of Karbala

this is my proof.

Also who claims a text is Plagiarism should prove it. not who reject this claim.

if you claim I am a thief. who should prove it?

I should prove I am not thief? or you should prove I am thief?

goldPseudo

i'm done with this conversation.

Battle of Karbala

thanks for your time

also I am not playing any game

muslim1

7:41 AM

I was banned by @goldPseudo so could not participate

I dont think one has to beg a moderator that he did not intend to insult him/her

The best way IMO to address these issues is to post a question on meta and a moderator who took the action answers it

that we we see who is right and who is wrong

if that does not solve the problem entirely, sure one can chat here and discuss

goldPseudo

8:44 AM

huh. looks like the Hilali-Khan translation of the Qur'an isn't perfectly static.

my dead tree copy has one ayah translated completely differently from the text on quran.com

wonder which one's newer.

goldPseudo

9:02 AM

aaand posted:

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Q: Which translation of 41:24 is correct according to Hilali-Khan

In my dead tree copy (Sixteenth Revised Edition, Darussalam Publishing 1997) of Hilali-Khan's Noble Qur'an, 41:24 is translated as follows: Then, if they bear the torment patiently, then the Fire is the home for them, and if they seek to please Allâh, yet they are not of those who will ever b...

quran-translation hilali-khan

muslim1

@goldPseudo was I banned automatically or was done by you?

goldPseudo

9:20 AM

@muslim1 i flagged you for being rude.

muslim1

11:45 AM

so that would automatically ban me for one hour.

However you were very adamant that you were insulted by @BattleofKarbala

I think that was rude too when put blame on a user for nothing?

or may be take things to personnel?

Moderator is not an easy job and may be not for every one

@goldPseudo you have to be professional and to the point

even if you mean to ask, "Are you insulting me", you have to show some degree of politeness

why do you think you feel insulted

you put the burden on the other person to figure how he/she have insulted you they may have not any clue

may be it has to do with high @Moderator status :)

Al Ummat

2:23 PM

interesting

goldPseudo

3:54 PM

@muslim1 If you have a problem with the way me or anyone else is handling his moderator duties, bring it up on meta where it belongs. If you are unwilling or unable to treat others (including moderators) with respect while you're in the chat room, I will not hesitate to flag you again.

I have no interest in coming to this room just to be expected to defend myself or my actions. Chat is not a place for bickering.

Bleeding Fingers

4:48 PM

I thought about it after reading the forgoing chat logs, whether I should be giving a response to any of the claims and assumptions which I happened to (dis)agree with. And I choose not to. Reason: I'll end-up wasting my time.

@BattleofKarbala I'll ask you a simple question. Were you to determine if something was plagiarised, how would you do that? What percentage of similarity between the content under question and similar text found elsewhere would be enough for you to deem it as plagiarised?

@goldPseudo Don't mean to judge your actions or something. But I think you could be bit more patient. I know sometimes it could get tiring and frustrating, but I strongly believe that patiently dealing with these matters and explaining stuff out is more fruitful and builds trust and retention.

But that's just me. I don't mean to undermine the extent to which you have shown patience. I only took this recent log as a sample.

goldPseudo

5:14 PM

@BleedingFingers I try to be patient, but nobody appreciates coming into chat just to be attacked.

We have an entire meta forum that's explicitly designed to allow such issues to be settled by the community.

We have enough problems with sectarianism on this site, we don't need people throwing accusations and insults around.

muslim1

5:27 PM

@goldPseudo that's the way to go. To answer question on Meta. But I have seen none of the moderators answers any of the question, when the post says, why this question was deleted etc

Since moderator is responsible for deleting these posts, they are responsible to provide any explanation they might have.

Just by saying, 'you are wasting my time', 'I dont have time' in chat rooms does not solve the problem and is generally 'impolite'

as for putting the blame on me that I disrepected someone, 'Who did I disrespect?'

I am not the type of guy first of all who would say something wrong to any one

I really believe we should constructively develop this site but I have question on how some of the answers and question were deleted.

I am not saying, I am right. I could be wrong. What I can do on my part is post question on meta but moderators aren't really interested in answering those question and are more interested in their 'honor'. That approach sadly does not work on SE sites.

goldPseudo

5:56 PM

@muslim1 Bring it up on meta.

I have no interest in discussion this matter with you if you can't even be bothered to discuss it with the community.

And neither me nor any of the other moderators are under any obligation to respond to every post. It's your responsibility to make sure the question is something that people actually want to answer.

Islam.SE

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Q: Please read carefully before approving or rejecting edit suggestions?

I've recently come across approved edit suggestion (e.g. this and this) which either don't improve the post or actually changed it's meaning altogether. So please be careful with the edits you approve. One is not bound to approve or reject if unsure. You can always skip and let others decide but...

discussion editing

goldPseudo

9:13 PM

The quran tag needs some serious cleanup.

According to my own tag scores, I'm apparently an expert in "quran" which is very much not true.

Al Ummat

people seem to tag everything with that tag

goldPseudo

A lot of people are apparently still using it as a catch-all.

I'm going through my own answered questions and removing it from posts that shouldn't have it.

(a lot of them look to be better tagged as tafsir)

i want my tag scores to reflect what little actual expertise I have :)

Al Ummat

:)

goldPseudo

also not sure how useful the sunni tag is in and of itself. feels a bit meta to me.

given how many different schools of thought there are in Sunni jurisprudence.

are there any actual experts in "Sunni"? would anyone actually care to search for questions about sunni as compared to, say, hanafi or shafii etc?

that might need to be a meta discussion.

fixing these tags gradually. don't really want to flood the front page with old bumped posts.

Al Ummat

@goldPseudo yeah

goldPseudo

9:26 PM

halal-haram and islamic-rules may be merge-worthy. would need to investigate to see if there's any practical difference between them.

i think both of them are just generally used for fatwa questions.

Al Ummat

I am unsure of the purpose of the shia-sunni tag, and if we really need it. not sure if that was discussed on the meta

goldPseudo

i brought it up back in the day.

Al Ummat

also the muslim and muslim-practices

perhaps a merge?

goldPseudo

we still have muslim? i thought we burnt that ages ago.

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Q: Why do we need a "muslim" tag?

Title says it all: We have a muslim tag, but I can't fathom any constructive use for it; might as well just add islam to everything while we're at it (don't do that). What possible use does this have? Should it just be burninated?

discussion tag

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Q: What is the "shia-sunni" tag for? Do we even need it?

Currently, we have a shia-sunni tag (16th most popular on the site), but it's not very clear what this tag is for, or why we would need it. The tag wiki simply explains what the Shi'a and the Sunni are, but it doesn't explain anything about the use-case of such a tag. We already have tags for s...

discussion tag

i reckon there's a valid use case for shia-sunni for those issues that are explicitly a point of contention between Shi'a and Sunni beliefs.

given how many people actually want to ask questions about that, and how many people really don't care to deal with it at all, having the tag makes sense so people can choose to ignore those questions.

(it's one of my two ignored tags, the other being shiism.)

Al Ummat

I think it might be best renaming it, people seem to tag it with shiism , also I see people use sects for similar purposes.

I see many tags that need to be dealt with. for example islamic-rules and sharia.

if I recall, wasn't there a "source request" tag or did we always have the source-identification tag?

goldPseudo

9:39 PM

there used to be a confusion between reference-request and source-identification.

i prefer to use source-identification myself. reference-request had an issue with people just tacking it on to things as "I need references for this answer".

source identification is more clearly "I need information on this particular source"

Al Ummat

ok, i see

goldPseudo

huh. i thought source-identification was birthed on meta. turns out it was in chat.

The birth of tag:source-identification

Jun 25 '12 at 3:17, 20 minutes total – 24 messages, 3 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 9 secs ago by goldPseudo

goldPseudo

10:05 PM

the hadith tag probably needs some cleanup too, for much the same reason as quran.

people seem to just tack it on as a catch-all.

goldPseudo

10:19 PM

and on a completely unrelated note, the Community Bulletin holds featured M.SE posts now too. cool.

(doesn't seem to hold hot M.SE posts though, unless M.SE has a much higher threshold of "hotness" than I expect)

Al Ummat

10:32 PM

also unrelated:

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/62022/arabic-language/…

"What is the best Arabic joke ever?"

a great example question of what won't be wanted on the Arabic site Insha'Allah when it goes beta, and Alhamdulillah such a question won't be asked on here unless if it was intended to be a joke or someone did not read the site title

goldPseudo

I'm surprised the Arabic site is still so far from commitment.

actually, is this a new proposal now? did the original get abandoned?

looks like it. i know i'd asked some sample questions on the first proposal, but they're not there.

Al Ummat

@goldPseudo I forgot the reason the original got closed, but yes this is a new one

goldPseudo

proposals will get automatically deleted if they have no activity for a month.

not sure if that's what happened to Arabic

welp, i'm following the new one now.

interesting. the Area51 "close question" dialog is still using the old close reasons (NaRQ, NC, etc).

i thought they would've updated at least those by now.

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/62022/arabic-language/…

there. have a new example question. :)

(even if i already know the answer)

yasar11732

11:05 PM

I just heard Newton made a tafseer of Surat al-ikhlas

I wonder if that can be verified

By tafseer, I mean commentary

Al Ummat

Newton?

yasar11732

yes :)

Al Ummat

@yasar11732 who is this Newton?

yasar11732

It is kind of founder of modern physics

Isaac Newton

| birth_place = Lincolnshire, England | death_date = | death_place = Kensington, Middlesex, England, Great Britain | resting_place = Westminster Abbey | residence = England | nationality = English | fields = | workplaces = | alma_mater = Trinity College, Cambridge | academic_advisors = | notable_students = | known_for = | influences = | influenced = | signature = Isaac Newton signature.svg | signature_alt = Is. Newton }} Sir Isaac Newton (; 25 December 164220 March 1727) was an English physicist and mathematician (described in his own day as a "natural philosopher") who...

Al Ummat

ok I know him, and I see you are referring to him now, I was trying to make sure

yasar11732

11:10 PM