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gentmatt
gentmatt
4:00 PM
I'll watch that thread. It's quite interesting!
 
Daniel Lawson
Daniel Lawson
@gentmatt I know, I know… but being awarded a ML bounty gives an entry in the promotion! :-)
(And it's been fun to investigate. I really like that question)
Power Nap is the second biggest reason I upgraded to ML
The biggest being the ability to answer ML questions here
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
I'd really love to have PowerNap aswell.
 
Daniel Lawson
Daniel Lawson
I thought as much from the frustration apparent in your question
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
I imagine myself going over the campus to eat lunch and the MBP upgrading itself in my backpack.
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hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
i want powernap!!!
 
Daniel Lawson
Daniel Lawson
4:07 PM
There's an active WiFi zone between my classroom and my office, but neither my office nor my classroom have working WiFi. It would be awesome if even occasionally my sleeping Mac picked up messages during the walk between them.
 
Graham Perrin
Graham Perrin
@gentmatt others may have linked to other parts of that topic before me, but thanks for the credit. I just suggested an edit to your opening question, I'm not sure whether it's too great a change. Take a look – at your leisure.
 
Nathan Greenstein
Nathan Greenstein
Can someone do me a favor and try to log in to the blog?
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
@NathanGreenstein what abnormalities should i look for in GrandPerspective?
I've never used it before.
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
@GrahamPerrin That edit is fine. Thanks!
 
Nathan Greenstein
Nathan Greenstein
@hanleyhansen Not sure how it handles disk images, but you're looking for some big .sparseimage files.
 
bmike
bmike
4:11 PM
my very long two cents...
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A: Why does Apple not support Power Nap on some of the Macs that have Power Nap capability?

bmikeThe why did Apple engineers X question is always a hard one to peg, but the simple answer is that a very small subset of Mac hardware is targeted for the initial Power Nap implementation. Specifically, the Sandy Bridge and newer Air and the retina MacBook Pro all have non-user replaceable RAM an...

@NathanGreenstein I just logged in - my session cookies were still legit, so it loaded.
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
@DanielLawson I like that PowerNap supports VPN on demand: support.apple.com/kb/HT5394
 
bmike
bmike
Lemme try logging out and in again...
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
@NathanGreenstein ok thanks. i'm assuming that if i find some it should be fine to deleting them.
 
bmike
bmike
@gentmatt Yes - certificate based VPN are activated when nap open's your cat's eyes.
 
Nathan Greenstein
Nathan Greenstein
@hanleyhansen Yeah, if you have other backups you should be fine with getting rid of them
 
bmike
bmike
4:15 PM
@gentmatt I am so excited about it. It takes some of the sting out of having a Mid 2011 model air that's barely two months old now...
Feel free to edit the heck out of my answer if you please.
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
@bmike AAaaargh! I wish I had PowerNap. But it's not such a big deal. Most programs will automatically fetch their latest data when the Mac wakes from sleep. Still, it's nice that PowerNap also covers security updates, the App store and Time Machine.
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
@gentmatt what do you have?
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
Early 2011 MBP with Sandy Bridge and a custom SSD upgrade.
It's barely a year old...
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
@gentmatt i just ordered my ssd. we'll be twins once install it.
@gentmatt i bought mine in october months before the new version came out -_-
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
What SSD have you ordered?
 
Graham Perrin
Graham Perrin
4:19 PM
@stuffe I reproduce that behaviour, when: first appearance of the alert is whilst Safari is in front – with the associated window (not necessarily the associated tab) in front. If something other than Safari is in front when the alert appears, then does the alert stay?
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
@gentmatt what about you?
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
Ha!
But only 128 GB
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
lol
how is it? fast?
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
Yep. The read speads get up to 510 MB/s
Write speeds were around 190 MB/s, but I'm not quite sure. I'll have to look again. Your SSD will have faster write speeds.
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
i'm not sure of i need 256. that's why i'm trying to figure out this backup storage issue. i just moved all my media to my buffalo linkstation. i wanna see how much my core apps is taking up.
@gentmatt crucial is saying 260 for mine but we'll see
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
4:22 PM
My MBP booted in 16s in Lion. I haven't yet checked the time for ML.
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
@gentmatt wow! i boot like in a minute right now lol
i have 16gb of ram too and i'm not really taking advatange of it bc the hd is so damn slow. can't wait to get my ssd.
how was the installation? anything i should worry about?
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
No. Just make sure to install the latest firmware onto the SSD.
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
off of the crucial site?
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
what did you do? you installed, restore from timemachine then upgrade firmware?
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
4:24 PM
I've upgraded the firmware already a long time ago.
I installed Mountain Lion over the top on my main workstation.
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
i'm thinking of installing ML on my MBP then getting a good backup and then replacing the drive and restoring from the backup. What do you think?
Was the drive easily accessible? this i my first time opening this MBP.
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
@hanleyhansen That should work fine. But I would not do it.
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
@gentmatt what would you do?
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
This way, you'll not have a recovery partition.
1. Backup using Time Machine.
2. Format the new drive after installation.
3. Install OS X
4. Restore your data from the Backup (using Time Machine).
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
explain step 2. i backup then i put the ssd in and install OS X?
then restore from within the OS?
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
4:30 PM
After you install OSX, you'll be prompted from the installer if you want to recover your data.
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
gotcha
i just need to get os X lol
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
The installer also asks at the beginning if you want to restore from Time Machine. But that time you say no!
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
ok so it asks before and after and i should go with after?
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
@hanleyhansen You can search the Internet for tutorials to create a recovery USB with the DMG.
@hanleyhansen yes.
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
what about the physical installation? how was that?
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
4:32 PM
Piece of cake. :)
Just follow ifixit's guide and you're clear to go.
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
@gentmatt good. this is my first time opening this MBP
@gentmatt cool. looking for it now.
thanks for your help
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
No problem!
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
i can't find the 15 inch guide. only the 13 inch
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
What Macbook Pro do you have?
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
early 2011 15 inch
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
4:41 PM
 
Ian C.
Ian C.
I don't mean to look down on a gift, but there was just a ton of upvoting on my answer for "Why isn't iTunes shuffle Random". Mods -- weird, right?
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A: Why isn't iTunes shuffle random?

Ian C.I don't think this is a bug, it's a feature. Though I can understand how it might seem broken. iTunes doesn't shuffle the order of the tracks every time you hit play (or any other control button). Another way of saying this is: it uses the same seed for your playlist every time until you tell it...

 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
@gentmatt you're the man. thanks!
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
@IanC. Oh wow! 17 times!
 
Nathan Greenstein
Nathan Greenstein
@IanC. Someone added an answer and the question got bumped to the top
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
@hanleyhansen One more thing...
 
Nathan Greenstein
Nathan Greenstein
4:44 PM
My guess is that more people saw it and voted.
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
@gentmatt what?
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
The reason for why the installer asks twice if you want to recover from the TM backup is: The first time it will recover everything from the TM backup. Even if I use a Mountain Lion installer and the backup is Lion only, it will install Lion.
 
Ian C.
Ian C.
@NathanGreenstein ah cool. gave me a reason to re-visit that answer and put a summary at the top.
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
The second option will install Mountain Lion first and then recover the data from your Lion backup.
 
Graham Perrin
Graham Perrin
For anyone with an interest in ZFS: ZEVO Community Edition should be freely available from 15 September. Hurrah!
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
4:47 PM
@gentmatt oh i see. you recommend i buy Mountain Lion but i should bother installing it on Lion. Instead I make a recovery disk from the dmg and use that to install it on the SSD. Then at the end of the install restore my lion data on my newly installed mountain lion ssd?
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
Yep.
 
hanleyhansen
hanleyhansen
gotcha. makes perfect sense! thanks
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
@bmike Ouch. That's expensive.
 
Nathan Greenstein
Nathan Greenstein
Probably the real source ^
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
5:04 PM
@NathanGreenstein Dunno if you are still having the problem, but I can log in.
 
Nathan Greenstein
Nathan Greenstein
@daviesgeek Cleared out my cookies for blogoverflow.com and things seem to be working now. Something must have gotten weireded up on my end.
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
Ah. Okay...
@bmike But for sharing a printer to other computers, that'll work fine right? And it should also share a USB external right?
 
Daniel Lawson
Daniel Lawson
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
5:29 PM
15.51 GB for a game.
 
BoltClock
BoltClock
I must not be the first to ask how to clean-install OS X Mountain Lion on a Mac notebook
In any case, how do you clean-install OS X Mountain Lion on a Mac notebook?
Not interested in keeping anything but some app preferences and some documents
 
bmike
bmike
@BoltClock It's easiest if you are on Lion already.
Boot to recovery and erase the drive. Then hand migrate things from an external drive once you've set up the new user account.
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
@bmike Nice banner.
 
bmike
bmike
5:45 PM
I'd love it if those steely cougar eyes would look over new people as they ask and answer things until they've read the FAQ.
 
Graham Perrin
Graham Perrin
@BoltClock backup, download the installer, install to a separate volume (USB flash drive or whatever), copy the installer to that volume, erase (make clean) the internal disk of the laptop, install.
 
BoltClock
BoltClock
Let me boot to recovery and explore
Will it detect the Mountain Lion installer and let me choose it?
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
@bmike Like this? 'cept with a cat
 
BoltClock
BoltClock
Or do I have to copy the installer to an image or external disk and run it from there. I don't get it
 
bmike
bmike
@BoltClock I didn't think that through.
It works for internet recovery to re-download the installer.
Do you have a spare 16 GB external drive?
 
Graham Perrin
Graham Perrin
5:48 PM
@BoltClock yeah, Recovery OS will allow you to erase the startup volume that's internal to the laptop. Then you can use Recovery OS to perform the clean installation.
 
bmike
bmike
I actually installed Mountain Lion on a cheap SanDisk drive - it's a bit painfully slow, but if you installed a clean MoLo on an external partition (20 GB should be fine) you'd have an external recovery partition and a workable system to do the erase and re-install without needing to redownload the installer.
 
Graham Perrin
Graham Perrin
@BoltClock if you plan to allow Recovery OS to download and install OS X 10.8 then you need not download beforehand. Depends on how you wish to use your bandwidth.
 
BoltClock
BoltClock
Well, I have the installer
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
I hate hearing the Windows sound coming out of my computer...
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Daniel Lawson
Daniel Lawson
@daviesgeek Or any other computer
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
5:52 PM
That too
 
Graham Perrin
Graham Perrin
@BoltClock OK so the earlier suggestion applies, if you have spare an external disk with – as @bmike suggests – 20 GB.
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
But I'm being rebellious:
 
Graham Perrin
Graham Perrin
@daviesgeek background music for you then
 
BoltClock
BoltClock
Bliss is a really great XP wallpaper to be honest
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
@GrahamPerrin Oh thanks! sarcasm
I needed that (no I didn't)
 
Graham Perrin
Graham Perrin
5:56 PM
@daviesgeek My work here is done. This house is clean. Et cetera ;-)
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
:-)
 
Ian C.
Ian C.
@NathanGreenstein oh man. The geek in me is nerding out HARD right now!
 
Graham Perrin
Graham Perrin
@bmike thinking aloud … use cases where a person has no spare disk … if someone uses Recovery OS 10.7.4 to erase then install OS X 10.8, Recovery OS will be outdated until that person … uses something other than that Recovery OS to reinstall 10.8.
Does that sound about right? It's clumsily worded but you probably get the drift.
 
bmike
bmike
@BoltClock Is your path clear now that I've tried to retract the bad plan?
(and propose a good plan)
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
@bmike Did you see my question earlier about the USB server?
 
bmike
bmike
6:02 PM
@daviesgeek I answered it as well
Except you didn't ask it on the main site so that things would be clear ;-)
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
@bmike No, my second question
 
BoltClock
BoltClock
@bmike Eh, a little confused
(But that may be because I have a headache)
 
bmike
bmike
OK - you need to have 10.6.8 or newer running to run the Mointain Lion Installer you have already downloaded as the recovery HD only knows to download another version from the store - not see one you have mounted elsewhere.
So you'll need a second partition on your Mac or a bootable external drive.
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
Can someone with Safari 6 take a quick look at this?
Main thing I want to know is, does it get out of proportion when you scale it?
 
bmike
bmike
The path of least resistance to me is to run your installer against a small 20 GB partition and use that system to then erase your main partition once you've got a backup copy of the data and installer.
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
6:10 PM
Like squashed.
 
Daniel Lawson
Daniel Lawson
@daviesgeek It doesn't make me want to buy furniture, I can tell you that.
But the proportions seem to stay the same.
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
@DanielLawson Haha!
 
Daniel Lawson
Daniel Lawson
@bmike So just to be clear, the optimal interface for asynchronous Q&A about Apple hardware and software is the Ask Question button. The optimal interface for calling moderator attention to problematic posts is the flag link. The optimal interface for synchronous discussion is the chat room.
 
bmike
bmike
@daviesgeek The yellow dots are fixed against the image when I change the canvas size / window size
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
Thanks for taking a look though!
It is a prototype of something I'm working on
does it look like this?
 
bmike
bmike
6:12 PM
@DanielLawson hee hee - and the optimal place for clarus is everywhere!
Dogcow
The dogcow, also known as Clarus the Dogcow, is a bitmapped image first introduced by Apple. It is the shape of a dog, originally created in 1983 as part of the Cairo font by Susan Kare as the glyph for “z.” That image was later chosen for the Mac OS Print Setup dialog box, though it needed to be slightly redrawn because the original Cairo dog did not proportionally fit the Print Setup dialog box. This modified version became the image famously known as the dogcow. The term “dogcow” was first coined by either Scott Zimmerman or Ginger Jernigan. Mark “The Red” Harlan named the dogcow “C...
 
Daniel Lawson
Daniel Lawson
@daviesgeek no
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
Sorry, without the blue highlight
 
Daniel Lawson
Daniel Lawson
Hey, that's pretty cool!
What's this screen flicker I keep getting in chat? I don't like it.
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
Hmm...so it isn't my imagination...I thought it was only because I was switching tabs really quick
 
BoltClock
BoltClock
@bmike And then run the installer on the main partition and move the data back?
 
Daniel Lawson
Daniel Lawson
6:14 PM
@daviesgeek You're getting in and you're not in ML. Good to know.
 
BrQAnt
BrQAnt
Moof!
3
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
@DanielLawson Yes, though I'm not completely sure of it.
I'll watch it
 
BoltClock
BoltClock
So basically a more convenient version of what my brother did - he installed ML on a new partition on the same disk... then wiped the main partition and cloned the second to the main
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
Ugh. I hate cross-browser compatibility issues...
 
Daniel Lawson
Daniel Lawson
@daviesgeek There are no cross-browser compatibility issues. Everyone just needs to use Safari.
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
6:18 PM
@DanielLawson Umm...I'd disagree on that :-) As you already know.
The main thing everyone needs to agree on is that everyone needs to be on a Mac.
That would solve 90% of all issues.
Then IE is gone.
 
Daniel Lawson
Daniel Lawson
Someone in some other chatroom is going to link to that out of context and point to how arrogant Apple fanz are.
 
BoltClock
BoltClock
Does IE5:mac run on any of the new versions or is it too PPC-ish?
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
Imagine a world without IE... Glorious isn't it?
@BoltClock I think it is too PPC-ish
 
BoltClock
BoltClock
@daviesgeek Honestly, I prefer a world without WebKit
 
Daniel Lawson
Daniel Lawson
@BoltClock shudder
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
6:20 PM
@DanielLawson I echo Daniel.
 
BoltClock
BoltClock
IE bugs are easy to work around because their infamy is well-documented
WebKit bugs on the other hand...
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
Can you give me an example of WebKit bugs?
I've never seen one because I write with a WebKit browser.
 
BoltClock
BoltClock
Well to be fair, some of them were fixed, and many of the rest are corner cases
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
And IE bugs?
IE bugs and non-standardization are a pain to manage and a pain to fix.
LOL!
> Warning: Use a web browser and not Internet Explorer as primary browser.
 
bmike
bmike
6:37 PM
@BoltClock Yes. Most people use the migration assistant to get the data back after a clean install, but hand migration is always better if you don't mind the extra time to pick and choose.
Just remember to fire up Disk Utility to wipe the partition before running the installer.
 
BoltClock
BoltClock
@bmike I really would love to migrate by hand, but app preferences seem like a problem..
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
@BoltClock Do you do a lot of web development?
 
BoltClock
BoltClock
@daviesgeek Compared to other kinds of software dev I would say yes, pretty much
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
I see.
 
BoltClock
BoltClock
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
6:46 PM
@BoltClock Nice! I did notice you are an SO mod
 
BoltClock
BoltClock
:D
I don't do web dev on my Mac, though, only on my PC
I can't stand running a virtual machine or Boot Camping just for IE
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
@BoltClock I don't see how you could do that.
I can't live without Coda
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
@all What's the point of Location services in OS X? Can't any application with internet access just grab my ip? I've disabled location services in the System Preferences, but of course that does not stop Chrome from being able to locate me in maps.google.com.
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
@BoltClock I can't stand running six different programs to do the job that one can do.
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
I mean, showing this setting in the preferences is misleading as Apple pretends to be able to guard your privacy here, which it can't.
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
6:54 PM
@gentmatt That is weird.
 
Jason Salaz
Jason Salaz
@gentmatt GeoIP puts you in the country, Location Services puts you in a specific room of your house.
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
@JasonSalaz How does that work?
 
Jason Salaz
Jason Salaz
Also, Geo IP is erratic, Wi-Fi Triangulation much less often.
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
Check your settings. Have you allowed Google Chrome to track you? If so, I don't think Apple can do anything about it.
 
Jason Salaz
Jason Salaz
Which part? GeoIP or Wi-Fi Triangulation?
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
6:55 PM
Well, I know both. I'm just sorta surprised that this actually uses Wi-Fi triangulation.
 
Jason Salaz
Jason Salaz
What else would it use?
Computers don't have GPS yet :)
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
My home Wi-Fi has no GPS location (I assume it's in no database.). So how would that work?
It'll just use the GeoIP, which will do in most cases, I guess.
 
Jason Salaz
Jason Salaz
I'm pretty sure Apple's Location Services doesn't fall back on GeoIP
why do you think your Wi-Fi isn't mapped?
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
Never mind. No smartphone ever connected to it, but that's not enough.... I just realized.
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
Does anyone have a PC that they can test something really quick on? @BoltClock ?
I need someone to test something in IE 7 or 8
 
BoltClock
BoltClock
7:01 PM
@daviesgeek Yeah
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
Can you check out jsfiddle.net/Ef83k and let me know how laggy it is?
It lets you resize the box.
I think that my VM is just slightly laggy and it isn't the browser.
 
bmike
bmike
@daviesgeek If you have the rep, please start one - webkit geekery or something like that.
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
@bmike Okay
 
bmike
bmike
I can see about moving things in a bit...
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
@bmike How do you add someone to a chat room? Like an invitation?
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
7:03 PM
@JasonSalaz It's just weird that if I disable location services maps.google.com will say in Safari that it may not use them and hence not do anything - while in Chrome it doesn't even care.
 
BoltClock
BoltClock
@daviesgeek I can't resize it in anything but a WebKit browser
The controls just don't appear
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
@BoltClock So IE doesn't work?
 
BoltClock
BoltClock
@daviesgeek Doesn't work in IE, Firefox or Opera
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
Very weird. My VM is working just fine.
@BoltClock Can we move this over to the web room?

 Web Development

webkit, web development and other geekery of browser testing
 
BoltClock
BoltClock
@daviesgeek Alright
 
Jason Salaz
Jason Salaz
7:06 PM
@gentmatt There's something else here. Location Services is a Cocoa API, and Chrome has had location services since well before ML.
It's probably doing it's own work. Google does have it's own Wi-Fi triangulation database, of course.
 
bmike
bmike
@daviesgeek The room is public, but you did fine with the link. You can also find that user in chat and then invite it...
 
Jason Salaz
Jason Salaz
Apple doesn't prevent all location lookups from taking place. It prevents it's API from being used without permission.
 
bmike
bmike
@JasonSalaz But they still have all the Wi-Fi data they recorded in Europe apparently...
@JasonSalaz I think this is a nice step forward.
 
Jason Salaz
Jason Salaz
@bmike I never said anything to the contrary.
 
bmike
bmike
@JasonSalaz I didn't mean to imply that. I had hoped to amplify your words.
 
Jason Salaz
Jason Salaz
7:08 PM
ah
noted :)
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
@JasonSalaz Well, that's why offering to "disable location services" is sort of a scam.
 
bmike
bmike
Having an API educates people. Those that don't know tracking will never be safe, but those that do can choose to tunnel traffic / choose an IP that doesn't reveal location or buy a block of IP addresses for their router / privacy.
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
For most of the consumers, this will not help at all. GeoIP is enough.
 
Jason Salaz
Jason Salaz
@gentmatt It's not exactly a unique problem.
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
How is that?
 
Jason Salaz
Jason Salaz
7:11 PM
I'm unfortunately not sure how to answer that :).
three conversations, and everything I'm doing for work.
If we could revisit this topic a bit later I'd appreciate it.
 
gentmatt
gentmatt
It's not a problem. We could also just leave it here.
 
bmike
bmike
OHAI @slhck
 
slhck
slhck
IZ IN UR CHATZ @bmike
 
Jason Salaz
Jason Salaz
Man, what's with all these foreign diamonds today?
 
bmike
bmike
LOL - WE HAVE CATZ ON OUR PAGEZ
 
slhck
slhck
7:14 PM
haha
Actually I have a simple question: To unjailbreak with Absinthe, I have to make a full reset of the phone instead of just restoring from backup, right?
 
bmike
bmike
We've not had much jailbreak brainpower on the site lately.
 
slhck
slhck
Yup.. I could ask a question on the main site I guess.
 
bmike
bmike
In the past a full restore (recovery mode) was typical, but I'd hate to steer you wrong as I've not used absinthe (or even read much about it).
 
Nathan Greenstein
Nathan Greenstein
They just open-sourced Sparrow
Well, partially open sourced.
 
bmike
bmike
@NathanGreenstein Yeah - how do you snark about open that isn't open. Although, I can understand the sentiment of a company not wanting to seed a codebase to a competitor.
 
Nathan Greenstein
Nathan Greenstein
7:20 PM
I'm guessing it was more up to Google than to them
 
bmike
bmike
I'm glad they opened the code, nonetheless.
 
slhck
slhck
Too bad what happened there.
 
Nathan Greenstein
Nathan Greenstein
Yeah. Haven't been able to find a replacement that I really like yet
Playing with Postbox, but it's got so many 'I'll never ever use this' features that it begins to feel like Outlook :/
 
slhck
slhck
Online Gmail is enough for me, but I know there's a lot of people who like real apps
 
Jason Salaz
Jason Salaz
Wow, @stuffe may have won this round...
 
slhck
slhck
7:26 PM
Alright, I asked my question – I'm outta here, KTHXBAI!
 
 
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Ask Different Blog: Interesting new UNIX commands/binaries in OS X Mountain Lion
patrix on July 27, 2012

In addition to those on its well-known list of 200+ new features, OS X Mountain Lion also brings along a handful of new UNIX commands and binaries. Most are probably outside the scope of Ask Different (e.g. commands concerning Radius Authentication, Kerberos or Berkeley DB maintainance) but some of them may prove valuable to (aspiring) power users out there. As always, you will find more information in the corresponding man pages.

This is a great addition to the UNIX shell level: a tool to create, modify and delete share points (aka shared directories). In its most basic form it can be used like this to add a share for a specific directory on afp, ftp and smb/Samba: …

 
jmlumpkin
jmlumpkin
9:05 PM
With ML and desktop notifications in this chat, when I click enable I get a 'Desktop notification is blocked by your browser'. I hit allow when it asked, anyone else getting this?
 
Nathan Greenstein
Nathan Greenstein
In Safari?
 
Daniel Lawson
Daniel Lawson
Should have taken a picture of 10K when it lasted.
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
@DanielLawson What happened? Bounty?
 
Daniel Lawson
Daniel Lawson
50 simultaneous downvotes. No, wait, it was a bounty :-)
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
@DanielLawson Ooh! Can I make it 51 downvotes? :-)
 
Daniel Lawson
Daniel Lawson
9:18 PM
Of course you can, but I'd rather you didn't. Unless you find a post that needs downvoting, of course.
@jmlumpkin I'm not getting the notifications, but I'm not getting an error, either.
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
@DanielLawson Just kidding, of course!
 
Daniel Lawson
Daniel Lawson
Wait, I got a notification for that one. Strange.
 
daviesgeek
daviesgeek
9:31 PM
@DanielLawson Can you move some stuff from this room?
Messages that is.
From here on down, all mention of browser stuff needs to be moved to the Web Dev room

 Web Development

webkit, web development and other geekery of browser testing
 
jmlumpkin
jmlumpkin
10:04 PM
@NathanGreenstein yes sorry, in Safari
 
stuffe
stuffe
10:55 PM
@JasonSalaz What do I win? :)
 
Jason Salaz
Jason Salaz
@stuffe Props. Like pops but not as tangible.
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