The traditional reward for asking a good question is getting a good answer.
Rep and such are icing on the proverbial cake, but pale in comparison to that primary reward of a solution to a practical question based on a real problem.
But of course, there are now sites where questions aren't rea...
the version I remember at least had the decency to change the spelling to "rushin'" at the end, so that you didn't have to spend that extra half-second working out what they meant by trucks having a nationality
"Figure out what's motivating folks to post puzzles where they already know the answer and can't be rewarded for knowing the answer. Then design ways to reinforce those motivations."
"I have no idea if the use-case is "fine", @jonathan. It seems pointless to me, but so does everything else on Puzzling. So that's a question for your meta site."
@manshu The parts of the messages that use English letters seem to roughly correspond to English in terms of letter frequency and mix of consonants and vowels. Makes me think it's not a substitution cipher.
What I don't understand is why this idea couldn't be implemented only for Puzzling? He seemed concerned it would be abused on other sites, but we know that bounties can be disabled because they are on most metas.
mmmm i think the only way to get through to him is coming up with something thats universal across all sites, although thats a bit difficult since things work differently here
yeah it seems like there are some people who are very active on other SE sites who seem... annoyed?... that Puzzling even exists as a SE site, since it 'works differently'
"Well... I applaud the cleverness of the folks who realized they could use this software in strange and delightful ways that the creators never envisioned much less designed for. I wish 'em all the best."
He was referring to sites which hid technical answers until you paid for membership, I think he was just saying it was ironic that we basically hide answers by default.
yeah. if there's one thing I feel like I'm known around here for, it's being a cantankerous asshole. but if there's a second thing, it's being a cantankerous asshole about trying to get people to even consider the idea of something outside of the normal SOP
oh for crying out loud. we "hide" answers that are unhidden by mouseover. (though, admittedly, a weakness is that apparently spoilertext isn't indexed)
self-answering is great for a situation where you would reasonably be trying to find the answer yourself, or providing the answer to a common question that hadn't been documented
The traditional reward for asking a good question is getting a good answer.
Rep and such are icing on the proverbial cake, but pale in comparison to that primary reward of a solution to a practical question based on a real problem.
But of course, there are now sites where questions aren't rea...
@question_asker As in, awarding questions gives incentive for more questions to be asked here, which helps in attracting more solvers and expanding the network
This is part of the problem - that "optimize for pearls, not sand" thing being taken as some kind of natural law, rather than A Thing Somebody Said Once Which Made Sense At The Time For The Specific Thing They Were Talking About
@Shog9 I think what we're looking for is 1) Setting a bounty to have a question of a certain type to be asked (Suppose we would like a puzzle involving a Maze, or perhaps a Language tag) We can award that bounty to a "good" question of that type. And 2) Setting up some kind of tipping jar for existing questions
As I understand from talking to Alconja, the problem you hope to solve is a fall-off in folks willing to invest their time writing puzzles, @Jonathan. So y'all are hoping that, by throwing points at existing questions, folks will be extrinsically motivated to do something they're currently losing interest in. In my experience, that probably won't work. But y'all aren't even discussing it; the idea's been floated multiple times on your meta with mostly crickets chirping as the response - do you even think this'll work? Why? — Shog9 ♦13 mins ago
So... is it 'multiple times on [our] meta', or do we need to write something up on the meta?
@manshu Why. There's nothing we could write in a meta post that we haven't covered here, and certainly nothing we could write that he hasn't explicitly written off already.
@question_asker We don't have a concrete method for implementation, at least from what I can see, unless we're literally using the same system for answer bounties
This isn't anything more complicated than: We, the users of the site, believe that a completely optional feature could be added, which would enhance the experience at this specific SE site, and could possibly be used in others.
Right but my point is that once we waste time putting together a detailed meta post, we'll likely be met with 'lol didn't you see me ignore you the other eight times?'
I think we may have to swallow our pride, write up a solidly written meta post, raise counter points to his disagreements, and if we get nowhere with him, find someone else to bring it to and cite his lack of helpfulness if that is the case
@Deusovi Based on his previous comments, Shog9 definitely doesn't like Puzzling. But other CMs expressed their support for Puzzling, so I guess they overruled him otherwise we wouldn't have graduated.
It's not about bringing up the topic. It's about bringing up the topic while having things thought out in the post rather than asking "Can we have this feature?"
Again, going "well why don't we just forget about it this once" is literally what's been done every time. That's a good way to never get anything done.
It used to be, a long, long time ago, that asking a question awarded +10 reputation. After some deliberation, this was changed to +5 reputation network-wide. The reasons at the time for this change basically amounted to:
Questions don't take much effort to ask.
The reward for a good question is...
Is this a feature-request worth asking about?
Is it too difficult to implement a system where questions can be awarded bounties as well?
Are there any reasons why this should not be done?
And should this be done on other sites as well?
I think the justification for this is obvious - a lot of q...
As I understand from talking to Alconja, the problem you hope to solve is a fall-off in folks willing to invest their time writing puzzles, @Jonathan. So y'all are hoping that, by throwing points at existing questions, folks will be extrinsically motivated to do something they're currently losing interest in. In my experience, that probably won't work. But y'all aren't even discussing it; the idea's been floated multiple times on your meta with mostly crickets chirping as the response - do you even think this'll work? Why? — Shog9 ♦36 mins ago
The traditional reward for asking a good question is getting a good answer.
Rep and such are icing on the proverbial cake, but pale in comparison to that primary reward of a solution to a practical question based on a real problem.
But of course, there are now sites where questions aren't rea...
Is this a feature-request worth asking about?
Is it too difficult to implement a system where questions can be awarded bounties as well?
Are there any reasons why this should not be done?
And should this be done on other sites as well?
I think the justification for this is obvious - a lot of q...
