Puzzles Etc.

Jonathan Allan

12:00

example: the logo design

question_asker

that's not really policy though.

Jonathan Allan

but yes it's edge-cases

question_asker

(I don't care about the logo, personally, so whatevzzz)

manshu

I care about the logo. (Look at my dp for confirmation)

Jonathan Allan

only if the policy requires implementation, or has effects, that cannot be segregated does it affect our neighbours

manshu

12:02

And I think that our current logo doesn't really demonstrate what this site is about.

I really liked the idea given by Alconja in that answer.

Jonathan Allan

like a "loud neighbour" - which I am continually aware of trying not to be (I like dance music, I like my neighbours, and my hearing is not the best)

yeah I ^voted it too

manshu

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Q: I hope this puzzle motivates you

(I saw a similar question in a newspaper. Changing text to images and adding it here) Recognize the famous saying / quote / idiom / statement / movie or song title. The answer is in English language. Finally,

currently starting to solve it.

Prince William,
Whey Protein,
Williams sisters (I guess)
River,
Will Smith,
Road.

So many 'Will'!!!

Khale_Kitha

12:17

@Manshu

Without seeing the puzzle

I imagine the answer is:

Where there's a Will, there's a Way

Tons of Wills, and tons of ways

Yeah, that's the answer.

I'd feel bad if I posted the answer, since you figured out the images, though

manshu

no no...go on..answer it.

Khale_Kitha

You sure? I hate stealing answers

manshu

You are not stealing it.

You came to this by yourself.

Khale_Kitha

Not sure the lateral thinking tag applies, though

manshu

We can confirm only when he accepts the answer.

Jonathan Allan

12:28

@Khale_Kitha did you wake up, accept @LeppyR64's answer and then go back to sleep? - dedication!

manshu

Talent!!!

Khale_Kitha

No, I was in a game at the time, so I just looked at the other screen and confirmed that it was correct, then went back to what I was doing

Jonathan Allan

Ahh I see

Khale_Kitha

It was funny though, what he said - because i posted the hint about 5 minutes before his answer

Jonathan Allan

yeah - obviously he was already making his answer at that point :)

Khale_Kitha

12:32

yeah, hehe

Well to be honest, his first version

Only includes the answer to the 4-mark diamonds, with no illustrations

So I waited until he edited the rest in

Jonathan Allan

@Khale_Kitha also Wineglass Bay - there is a way.

edit at ready

Khale_Kitha

Is this a motto?

Jonathan Allan

no but there is a way there :)

Khale_Kitha

I'm not sure I get what you mean

Look, Leppy heard us talking about him.

Jonathan Allan

kind of stronger than "rhymes with" IMO

I would put both :)

Khale_Kitha

12:34

No, I mean I don't understand where "There is a way" is coming from

manshu

Drake Bell I Found A Way Official Music Video Drake And Josh

►

Khale_Kitha

Is this just arbitrary or is it a motto/etc for Wineglass Bay?

Jonathan Allan

like there is an idea in impedance

oh that's not right

^^

cant spell haha

like there is a pot in promote

LeppyR64

I was actually just in to see if anyone had made progress on pi 6-9 :)

Jonathan Allan

there are two pots in promote too :p

Khale_Kitha

12:36

They should have used a picture of San Jose, there

Then the clue could have been, "Do you know the way to San Jose?" lol

yeah, not yet, Leppy - not really sure where to move on that, yet.

LeppyR64

Yeah I had the diamond idea figured while I was out and was going to put it in and dig for the rest when I got home. And then I logged onto the PC and saw your hint for confirmation ;)

Jonathan Allan

pi 6-9?

Khale_Kitha

lol

manshu

I just noticed, where is @Will ?

:D

Jonathan Allan

@manshu wow that is awful, could be a Eurovision entry

LeppyR64

12:40

@JonathanAllan puzzling.stackexchange.com/questions/32412/the-trained-agent

manshu

What is eurovision entry?

Jonathan Allan

@LeppyR64 Oh that :)

manshu

@JonathanAllan How did you solve mazes in mazes?

Jonathan Allan

Eurovision Song Contest

The Eurovision Song Contest (French: Concours Eurovision de la chanson), sometimes popularly called Eurovision but not to be confused with the Eurovision network which broadcasts it, is the longest-running annual international TV song competition, held, primarily, among the member countries of the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) since 1956. The competition was based upon the existing Sanremo Music Festival held in Italy since 1951. Each participating country submits an original song to be performed on live television and radio and then casts votes for the other countries' songs to determine the...

@Manshu I just tried to find the path, no clever tricks (I did talk about writing a solver but did not need to do so)

I noticed certain routes were either dead ends or recursive so "blocked them off"

fondor

@LeppyR64: fyi, I added another hint there

Jonathan Allan

12:44

I also noticed from working from the exit back that we must pop up the stack to exit

manshu

The explanation in the answer is "Note that you start by entering Red and inside Red you enter a Yellow then inside that Yellow you enter another copy of Yellow then pop back out of that Yellow into the previous Yellow...."

I understood until the italics.

LeppyR64

@fondor Another hint since a couple minutes ago?

manshu

But couldn't understand anything later

fondor

No, I meant today..

Jonathan Allan

@manshu you enter the small yellow block inside yellow and it takes you into another yellow one level deeper

LeppyR64

12:46

Yeah I noticed it. Thanks :)

fondor

@LeppyR64: Do you think I should add one more?

Jonathan Allan

see the orange and green lines and note the arrow heads

Khale_Kitha

I think that we're either not getting what you intended by the 6 nines in pi thing, fondor, or we're not understanding what to do next. =D

fondor

I am not referring to six nines

LeppyR64

@fondor I don't think so. I'm not at a spot where I can actively solve but I have an idea. It's the 6 to 9th digits of pi

manshu

12:48

oh...now I start to get this thing.

Jonathan Allan

@manshu so when we enter a coloured block we go into a smaller maze and when we go out of a maze we get back to the door at that position on the block we entered in the bigger maze

LeppyR64

So I think it's 2653 if memory serves

manshu

That's very clever of f''

Jonathan Allan

like the only path on green dips us into green breifly

fondor

Sounds promising

Jonathan Allan

12:49

it's not his idea, but yes it must have taken some effort to produce!

fondor

Your one step away from the answer to the first question

LeppyR64

Again, I was just popping in to see if anyone was actively working since I had seen the new hint, but without having time to work on it myself, being nosy ;)

fondor

I mean only one step

manshu

@JonathanAllan There seems to be many possibilities.

Jonathan Allan

@manshu can you find another though?

question_asker

12:54

@question_asker No. — weatherman115 57 secs ago

lol

manshu

I have not tried to find the complete path. But some partial paths.

Jonathan Allan

I imagine paths I didn't try (where I got lucky in my choices) do similar things - for example entering blue in the bottom of the left side is a clear no-go, and even more simply exiting red at the top of the left is not worthwhile.

Khale_Kitha

Lots of things that we can do with those numbers, fondor - Not having any luck, yet, though.

That is to say - nothing's turning into a word

Gordon Allocman

oh man I missed so much in this chat in the last 14 hours

manshu

At the start.. there are two ways @JonathanAllan

Gordon Allocman

13:00

Did you guys solve his puzzle yet?

manshu

@GordonAllocman It's solved. I am trying to understand it though

Jonathan Allan

@ manshu - yes and the other way leads to blocked or recursive loops in ALL ways

Gordon Allocman

damn, what an answer

manshu

@JonathanAllan You tried these ?

Jonathan Allan

@manshu - yep

- there may be ways in the middle I didn't try and got lucky that I went the right way - but when I got out and had five characters I tried them and they worked

I also worked from the exit a little to see what I was aiming for

one way collects a 6 the other an 8

(I thought the 8 looked more promising, but found the 6)

manshu

13:04

@JonathanAllan nice. I'l try other paths too, for fun :D

Jonathan Allan

how are your coding skills?

could probably check all routes

Khale_Kitha

Okay, this is bad, Jon...

My first thought, when you said that...

Was to set up a The Bard's Tale game, that auto-ran through it looking for paths...

manshu

@JonathanAllan very bad

Jonathan Allan

by constructing it as a graph and using a double traversal (to check for loops)

manshu

afk

Khale_Kitha

13:05

But there's NO WAY I'd be able to resist putting monsters in it..

Jonathan Allan

oh ok

Khale_Kitha

So my bot would likely die. :(

haha

Jonathan Allan

@Khale_Kitha the what game?

Khale_Kitha

A very old game that was essentially traveling through maze-like dungeons =D

Jonathan Allan

oh anothe computer game I know nothing of

Khale_Kitha

13:07

Game came out over 30 years ago, so I wouldn't imagine you did, since they don't interest you =D

Jonathan Allan

no I'm talking about developing a solver using a graph and two agents - one that goes one step for every two the other goes (if they reach the same point you have a loop)

Khale_Kitha

I'm aware - it was just the first thing I thought of =D

Jonathan Allan

@Khale_Kitha if it came out 30 years ago I'm far more likely to know of it :)

Khale_Kitha

lol

31, to be exact :P

Jonathan Allan

I had a zx spectrum back then and wanted programming books for Christmas, but my mother had no idea where to find such a thing... kids these days don't know how easy they got it :p

Gordon Allocman

13:10

@Khale_Kitha is it good? it's been sitting in my steam backlog for a while

Khale_Kitha

hah, Jon

No idea how the new version is, Gordon - haven't even taken interest in it

I never was a Bard's Tale fan

It's the basis of a great many games that exist, now, though, to be fair.

Gordon Allocman

oh cool

it will probably be a while before I can beat dark souls 2 though haha

Khale_Kitha

I started with an 8086, Jon, so it was easier for me :P

At least, the first one that was mine

Gordon Allocman

now that you guys have finished f"s puzzle you can finally solve mine :P

Jonathan Allan

I have two outstanding, and neither is that hard

Khale_Kitha

13:18

Yeah, both are too analysis-heavy for the time I can put into them, right now, though, unfortunately

Gordon Allocman

unfortunately I know very little about non-english characters and i'm also not great with number patterns

Khale_Kitha

^

Gordon Allocman

also that cw answer is very difficult to understand whats going on

Khale_Kitha

especially the last part

There's no description for any of it, so unless you already know what it means, you have to guess what they meant

Gordon Allocman

oh wait it is split into info for the left on the left and the right on the right

except the first part is swapped

fondor

13:21

@Khale_Kitha: You're right. But to get from 2653 to a reasonable word is a fair challenge. If you consider the sorrounding story, there is one possibility you should consider.

Khale_Kitha

I've tried 7 possibilities, so far

So i'm apparently not seeing the one specific one needed

Jonathan Allan

err, yeah could swap the first part and have it all L-L and R-R

Gordon Allocman

yeah, it just takes a bit of staring to comprehend what the info actually is

Matt

morning - I've got another meta question for y'all

what's your attitude toward a puzzle that requires a computer tool to get to the solution

Khale_Kitha

Okay, trying idea #8

I think it's fairly common, Matt

Jonathan Allan

13:23

"You got stuck for a while and consulted your watch."

Khale_Kitha

No, he said that was arbitrary information

But I have another idea

Jonathan Allan

oh

Matt

suppose such a computer tool had to be built for the job

Gordon Allocman

by built do you mean physically or coded?

fondor

The watch is no hint. I already meantioned that in chat. Sry ;-)

Khale_Kitha

13:24

okay, got it, fondor

Matt

to create the puzzle, I make a tool to help me create it

Khale_Kitha

though it hasn't helped me with the second part, I can at least add this

Matt

someone else would need to build a similar tool to solve it

Gordon Allocman

It's probably fine, assuming you give enough info in the question to imply that such a tool is needed and it wouldn't take mind-reading to know what to build

Khale_Kitha

okay, edited

Matt

13:25

I just don't want to discourage people with no programming backgrounds

Khale_Kitha

It depends on what kind of tool, and how common the algorithm is, especially depending on hints to get someone there.

Jonathan Allan

@Matt I dont mind it, but I dont know if the community would think it was one for a different site or not

manshu

@Matt thanks

Gordon Allocman

It's hard to tell how the question would be without seeing it I guess, but I guess try to use your best judgement

Matt

I also thought about providing such a tool

fondor

13:26

@Khale_Kitha: Thumbs up! I thought it could be encouraging if the answers are not connected. So people can try to find either solution.

Jonathan Allan

@Matt it would be niche (none of the "riddle crew" would even look at it)

Gordon Allocman

Oh @manshu good edit to your question, thanks for updating my answer along with it

fondor

COKE is right

Matt

but I don't want to ask users to run a strange program on their own/work computer

manshu

:)

Khale_Kitha

13:27

That's understandable, fondor. Though disappointing that solving one doesn't provide any assistance in the other, since it's essentially two puzzles.

Gordon Allocman

I would try to solve it, guess I'm not in the riddle crew :P

Khale_Kitha

I half expect the second puzzle to state: "GO HOME"

Jonathan Allan

see my first comment on this and the user's response and edit...

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Q: Riddle - The first sentence of a long journey

"A young man stands in his bedroom." Who am I? Either one can be an answer.

riddle

fondor

Think of something else than merging the squares...

Gordon Allocman

Oh man, he really took that comment to heart

Solid edit 10/10

Jonathan Allan

13:30

he thought "oh yeah it's not a puzzle, it's a riddle"

Khale_Kitha

Oh, I have, fondor - i just haven't posted most of it, because it was worthless. Haha

manshu

haha

Khale_Kitha

It's clear thta following a similar conversion isn't going to go anywhere, though.

Gordon Allocman

So I thought of a pretty clever part 3 for my puzzle, just gotta work out the details and wait for part 2 to get solved

Jonathan Allan

oh I tried converting the second using 1s for digits (2,6,5,3) and 0s otherwise

Gordon Allocman

13:37

oh man, how did two already duplicate twisted corner rubik's cube questions get posted so close together...

Khale_Kitha

Yeah, I tried getting the 2nd, 6th, 5th, and 3rd numbers (one from each line), but they don't spell anything on the phone, so using a similar pattern, again, doesn't work.

And the letters, themselves, are HDCF

if not turning to numbers

So I don't think that we can re-use the 2653 here

It feels like a completely separated puzzle

fondor

But that would mean, that the solutions are connected. But they're not. I mean in the sense that the first answers would help to find the second. That's not the case.

Khale_Kitha

Yeah, so that's where my issue lies. The non-connectedness of it seems to hurt it as a puzzle.

But my opinion doesn't really matter - still looking into it

fondor

I appreciate your critics

Khale_Kitha

Basically for the second half, we seem to have a series of letters with no clues to work from

fondor

13:40

think twice

Khale_Kitha

The only "clue" that I've seen is think twice and "counts on you"

It hasn't made a difference, though, with so many meanings for "think twice"

question_asker

whats up, jerks/pals

@JonathanAllan lol at your edit on your puzzle

Jonathan Allan

@question_asker the wrong one?

question_asker

yeah

Jonathan Allan

yeah I have not slept

question_asker

13:44

still struggling with where to even start on this one :(

fondor

@Khale_Kitha: Last hint for today added :-P

Khale_Kitha

Yeah, with them being 1 - 10 (or 0 - 9), that seemed like the only way to use th em

question_asker

I feel like Asphalt, Stencil, and Orion are important, but I don't know what those even are, much less understand their protocols

Khale_Kitha

I love Linqpad. "Linqpad didn't shut down correctly, last time. Recover queries?" "Yes". 44 queries appear =D

question_asker

(or Apache and Destiny, for that matter)

(OK I understand the computer thing that is called Apache but I'm not convinced that's the significance)

Khale_Kitha

13:50

Thinking out loud...

So if I take every second number, from this series

It's either:

711759143559654357528469

or

947071012251122632323651

stares blankly

Yeah, I don't think that's it.

Gordon Allocman

ok so it's definitely not using a vignere cipher as far as i can tell

Khale_Kitha

yeah

Taking number pairs, into ascii, isn't going to do anything

97 41 71 07 75 19 01 14 23 25 55 19 16 25 24 63 35 27 35 22 38 64 56 19

duplicating everything wont' help

fondor

I watch you thinking. You will solve this, I am convinced :-)

Khale_Kitha

I just have no idea what "think twice" is supposed to mean

And I'm hoping I'm thinking the same that you mean, because there's a language barrier in parts of it, hehe

fondor

You do have, I can see them

Yes, I'm not a native speaker, trying to do my best.. Feel free to edit the question concerning langage related stuff etc. by the way

Khale_Kitha

13:58

Nah, that's alright

Just trying to take it into account =D

I tried taking the number pairs into binary and seeing if I get a visual phrase, like last time

no luck

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