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08:09
@finnw Downvote was a bit much =/
@finnw I have no problem if you don't want me to moderate, but self-nomination was encouraged.
@Jivings I got a downvote too.
@AlexChamberlain I don't mind the downvote, just the explanation...
@Jivings On the mod post?
@Manishearth Hello there! Yeah.
Hey :)
08:15
@Manishearth How's it going?
Don't worry, I got a downvote as well in the chem.SE post. So did F'x and Nick T.
@Jivings Great :)
The votes aren't a big deal--it's not like the top 3 get chosen from there
that post just gives the comm team an idea of the users on the site
@Manishearth I don't mind the downvote.
@Jivings Good :)
@Manishearth Any idea when that will be?
Hmm, lemme give you an overview of ours
Public beta started 8th May
Mod post asked 14th May
Get email 1 from Aarthi on May 22
Get email 2 from Aarthi on May 22 (which was the next day in my timezone)
Email 1 was "Would you like to be a mod?"
Email 2 was "OK, you're a mod now"
08:20
Haha, very thorough thanks.
Hmm, you ought to get the emails soon
I mean, your site is much better than ours in terms of stats
Then again, we had similar stats at 20 days
@Jivings Looks like your public beta started early. If that's the case, the emails may come in a week
I dunno
Just noticed we've hit over 1000 visits a day.
@Jivings Yep
We were similar in our first few weeks. Then it declined
(seems like its normal)
@Manishearth Alright thanks
Of course, you still have muuch better stats (and much more high rep users)
So you may be able to sustain this
:)
08:24
Hopefully :)
@Jivings: Nothing wrong with self-nomination, but the combination reminds me of some spammers in the early days of SO who would ask a question and immediately answer their own question with a recommendation for their company's product.
@finnw Uhh, same happens on like every mod thread
@finnw Sorry about that.
F'x asked-answered on our mod post as well
@finnw You may not have understood the exact purpose for the post
+ if someone asked you to do both, why didn't that person nominate you?
@Manishearth: possibly not
08:30
@finnw They offered to.
@finnw That post is to show SE who is interested, and a rough idea of how the community trusts you to be a mod. SE does not choose based on the top three voted people, etc. They may not even choose someone from the list.
It is just an aid to the comm team
I see there are no 3rd-party nominations. I'm not sure why not (if I wanted to be a pro-tem mod I would rather have someone else nominate me than nominate myself)
@finnw That's the point. It's not exactly a nomination. It's an "I am interested" post
@finnw I told Jivings to make the mod post, and I encouraged whoever was interested to nominate themselves
I think
As a non-RPi user (I'm just someone who likes helping the newer sites out), I didn't feel it proper if I did the nominating
@finnw Of course, there is the "Those who want power are least suited to it"
08:34
"Does power corrupt, or does power simply attract the corruptible?"
@finnw Note that once you guys have actual elections (when you graduate), all nominations are self-noms
Anyway, it's done now. Never mind.
As I said, I am not objecting to self-nomination
Yep :)
Jun 26 at 14:20, by Alex Chamberlain
A vote we lock @Jivings in a room with a computer and coffee machine to mod 24/7
If you live near NY, maybe we can arrange that :P
(SE HQ in NY)
The posts are all supposed to be community owned anyway, so it's unimportant who posts them initially.
08:39
@Jivings Yep
@Manishearth Haha I would love that. Unfortunately, I'm on the other side of the pond.
@Jivings, but the asker still has the ability to accept an answer, even on CW questions (and in this case that would be a conflict of interest.)
@finnw I'm pretty sure that an answer will go unselected and the question should be closed as too localized as soon as mods are chosen.
@Jivings UK? Ahh. Marc (dev), and ChrisF (moderator extraordinare) are there. They may have some spare closets
@finnw What does accepting an answer change?
Aside from visibility?
@Jivings Yes, that will happen
I'm in the same city as @Jivings :-)
@finnw Bristol? I just moved house to Cheltenham yesterday!
I was saying the other day, if we make it out of public beta we should have an RPi meet up.
It's OK, I can find you SE members in Cheltenham as well :)
And more
(keep the input lowercase)
^^ Use that for meetups
Nice one, thanks.
I don't like meetup.com. I signed up to find out about the SO meetups and got loads of spam from it
09:02
@Jivings Have you got an X server working on your RPi running Arch?
@AlexChamberlain Yeah of course.
How? I'm trying to setup Xdmx
So, I don't want a display manager, just the xserver...
I think
Which part are you stuck on?
I can't find xorg.conf
xorg.conf is practically unused these days, unless you have special settings you need.
It would be in /etc/X11/
09:04
Ok - where do you define screens?
Section "Screen"
Is this the first time you've done xorg.conf manually?
Not exactly
I've only ever customised one
I've got a pretty complicated xorg.conf on my desktop - 2 screens with 1 rotated
Nice
brb
09:39
@Manishearth Can you remove 'supreme' from the title of chat? I think it's a bit alienating...
@Jivings Hmm, I don't really think so
Sort of tongue in cheek
You don't think it will be off-putting for newcomers?
@Jivings Hmm, not really
Dunno
Alright then, nvm.
What do you think it should be?
"The Council of The Pi"?
room topic changed to The Council of the Pi: The official room for raspberrypi.stackexchange.com (no tags)
09:44
Not if I'm the only one who thinks supreme isn't very inviting.
@Jivings I changed it, if anyone objects, let me or @dunsmoreb know
@Jivings Could you discuss this with the others first? I'll change it back for now
Haha love how @dunsmoreb is the room admin.
room topic changed to The Supreme Council of the Pi: The official room for raspberrypi.stackexchange.com (no tags)
Yeah sure.
I think it should be a raspberry pi pun
@Jivings Think of one, that's the point :)
@Jivings Why? Anything wrong with him?
09:45
The Pi Bakery
:P
Bring it up in a meta post or something
@Manishearth Haha not at all.
I do agree it's a bit alienating
Btw, I can make others room owners (and so can @duns), but as an outsider, I'd rather not :\
Yeah, leave it as it is.
09:48
room topic changed to The Supreme Council of the Pi: The official room for raspberrypi.stackexchange.com (no tags)
Ah, got the link to work
@finnw: I was asked to do both things. — Jivings 2 hours ago
^^ You make it look like I held you at gunpoint and forced you to write the post :P
Haha
"Self nominate, or there will be... consequences "
That's how I heard it.
Setting up Xdmx is like willingly banging your head against a brick wall
09:56
I've never tried it.
I just use X-forwarding. Looks like it's the same.
Does the Arch RPi image have a firewall?
@AlexChamberlain No I don't think so.
That's not the problem then...
This probably is though... /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp
Yeeees, probably.
I had issues with that, but I forget why.
I'm getting closer - it starts and crashes now!
10:04
lol
@jivings How do I install all packages that start with xorg-fonts?
Or all packages matching a search?
When I try pacman -S xorg-fonts it says do you want to install all of them
$ sudo pacman -S xorg-fonts
:: There are 2 members in group xorg-fonts:
:: Repository extra
1) xorg-font-util 2) xorg-fonts-encodings

Enter a selection (default=all):
Run pacman -Ss xorg-fonts
You get a few font packages
I have discovered most of them are installed and X is misconfigured...
10:17
Not sure if you can. Could write a simple bit of bash to do it.
I'm having issues with pacman since they rolled out PGP signed packages.
It wont let me search the databases.
There was something on the website about that
I've tried the fixes they suggest (I think)
10:46
What do you think of this question?
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Q: Are there step by step tutorials for beginners on things like setting up bluetooth or SSH?

zenbikeIs there a step by step for using a bluetooth keyboard and mouse with RasPi? Or SSH? I've seen the forum posts regarding using BT, and they are not complete enough for someone like me, who is very new to Linux. They seem to assume some (apparently basic) knowledge I don't have (or I'm missing so...

Difficult.
@AlexChamberlain I'm tempted to vote off-topic.
I don't know what he's looking for?
He should re-ask "how do I setup bluetooth?"
See my comment...
Yeass. I'm not really sure what to say.
It seems like too much of a recommendation question to me.
11:11
@AlexChamberlain Answered your question with my really easy method.
Trying it...
What's the proper way of restarting ssh on Arch?
sudo /etc/rc.d/sshd restart
or
sudo rc.d sshd restart
@AlexChamberlain Try enabling forwarding on other machine.
On the Pi?
Which did you enable it on?
> On the Raspberry Pi edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and add/uncomment the following line:
> X11Forwarding yes
11:26
On the Pi
My answer isn't very clear.
You should be running x2x on the other machine, not the Pi.
I've got it working
Not what I want
Aww
You want to be able to drag windows across?
I essentially want the RPi to be a Thin Client
Oh right. Why didn't you say so? =P
11:34
or a Graphics Card
Well, not a thin client
because that implies that stuff is attached to the Pi
I want to attach the Pi to a screen and the network
Yeah I get it.
and then use it as the third screen in a massive setup
...isn't that what x2x does?
Explain?
11:35
x2x gives the mouse on "from" control of the display manager on "to"
Yes
If you find the ideal thin-client setup, let me know. I'll be interested in giving it a go.
I want to create a fake screen in xorg.conf that sends the x commands across the network... I think
I was thinking about lettings users of pibake suggest ideal image setups.
In what way?
So that it could have a couple of ideal setups for say a python programmer, media-center or thin client.
And it would preselect the required packages.
11:40
O I see
Or there could be pre-built images.
Good plan
Once you've got it working!
Yeah, my bash skills aren't great.
Have you accepted there might be some emulation yet?
heh no
We shall see.
12:22
Hey guys.
@duns Hi there.
@Jivings What you guys talking about?
@duns you wont believe what's been happening.
What?!
Not much really.
I'm still failing to write bash.
Believe that.
12:23
I see you guys tried to change the room name. =/
Oh yeah, I was going to start meta discussion about that.
What is wrong with Supreme?
Just feels a little elitist, thought it might put people off joining.
I'm probably reading too much into it.
Do we have any case studies? =P
But is this seriously the important news?
Not much going on today.
12:26
Okay. =/
Sorry.
Ya though, I can see where you guys are coming from.
Let's change it for a while (a week perhaps?) and see if new users get active.
room topic changed to The Council of the Pi: The official room for raspberrypi.stackexchange.com (no tags)
Sure.
We need a good pun though.
No clue. =/
I suggested "The Bakery", or "The Pi Bakery".
What do you have with Pie?
12:28
Like, do I like pie?
Do you like pie?
No.
Except pumpkin pie. That's it. =P
Cherry Pie is awesome.
Haha.
Btw, should we go ahead with => ?
God yes.
=D
12:36
Okay. I'll guess I'll be organizing and today. =P
Isn't GPIO type stuff?
Then it should be okay with just
@AlexChamberlain That is why we are changing it.
That's what the i is for in the acronym.
and there are no posts tagged
12:37
It was originally for both peripherals and components.
Now there is. =P
God!
I don't see the point in extending the tag
That's just faff
I accidentally created instead of !
@AlexChamberlain We aren't extending the tag. =/
> An input device is any device that provides input to a computer (mice and keyboards are the most common). However the Raspberry's GPIO pins, I²C and SPI bus allow for many more types of input devices, including buttons, touchscreens, cameras, magnetic infrared and RFID sensors, etc.
input -> input-device
Making it longer then
input says all it needs to say
I know, but our other tags are in the form of plurals.
@AlexChamberlain Can you read the discussion we had yesterday? Might help.
12:39
@AlexChamberlain We are cutting to only apply to data provided by peripherals.
We are retagging it to eliminate confusion as nobody reads.
@Jivings Do we want plural or singular?
No idea
Plural sounds better?
Okay, can you edit that question so it says ?
I screwed up. =/
Whoops, I just made a mistake.
Completely foobar'd the arch image I was working on I think.
12:43
Aww, shucks.
@Jivings Can you create tag synonyms?
I can suggest them
Okay then. We will just use the singular form.
Because wait for it...
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Q: Tagging as singular or plural

Mehper C. PalavuzlarWhile tagging questions, it appears that there are both singular and plural tags for plenty of terms as stated in this question. Assuming that there is no semantic difference between the singular and plural state of the tag, which one should we prefer? The one which was used more or the one which...

Apparently popular consensus is to use singular tags.
@Jivings Tag wiki edit! =D
What?
Who?
 
2 hours later…
I don't get mine until early August?
I hope it arrives before my birthday. =P
I even got a free element14 shirt.
Which is cool because I like element14 :D
Awesome. I ordered from them so I hope I get one.
Free shirts are always cool. =P
@Jivings You here?
@dunsmoreb Given their latest estimate about my shipping date, I'm really happy
Let me pull up my email.
08/16/2012
God! That is a day before school starts! D=>
15:37
So they do use MM/DD/YYYY!
Which makes this delivery really early.
No.
I actually get mine before you do.
16:38
@duns what's up?
@Jivings I just wanted to know if there is a use for .
From what it seems it deals with the same thing as .
Is it important? I don't think it will cause confusion. If they are used synonymously then we can synonym them later on.
I think so. Confusion and that.
Nahhh
Couldn't we synonymize => ?
16:42
That was what I said.
Woot.
Lol.
Are they being used for the same questions?
For the most part.
There are some where people didn't bother to read the tag wikis. So I'll edit thos.
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Q: How do I attach a GPS receiver?

Maria ZverinaI would like to hookup a GPS receiver to my Pi so that I can: Get my geographical position Synchronise clock when not connected to network What are my options? Will any hardware supported by gpsd work with the Pi?

Opinion?
17:04
Should that also be tagged or ?
I think it should be: .
What about ?
Oh btw, I think the correct tag for our temperature-related questions would be :) I like that
@OliverSalzburg Eh.
room topic changed to The Bakery: The official room for raspberrypi.stackexchange.com (no tags)
@Jivings I've decided to change the room name to what you said earlier. =P
17:47
@Oli nice! :D
@duns haha okay. Its a terrible pun, but I guess thats what we're going for. Hah
@Jivings It is. That's the point. =P
@Jivings I know nobody would use that tag and noone would use it in a search, but I still think it would be the correct one :P
How do you mark an answer as canonical answer?
18:02
@dunsmoreb It's automatically added when you put up the appropriate bounty.
@OliverSalzburg Okay.
 
1 hour later…
19:18
Damn the newark site is flunky today I must not be the only one ordering a second Pi
19:45
Hey guys.
@SteveRobillard That's illegal!
20:19
sounds like jealousy don't worry not exoected to ship until the 16th of August
That is when mine is expected to ship. >=(
21:05
Haha awesome. What are you using your sendond one for?
the first is running my warning/info dashboards and will soon be doing eenvironment monitoring and running my build/warning light system
Numbe 2 is for programming and playing around with
I'm using mine... For fun! =D
 
2 hours later…
22:42
Is anybody in the bakery currently?
yup just a quick check of what has been going on
Wait for it...
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Q: How can I set up SSH on Linux to log in password-less?

bngtlrsMy Raspberry Pi is running the default Debian image and has SSH enabled. I log into my Pi as follows: ssh pi@<IP-address-of-my-Pi> I have to enter my password every time. Can I somehow make my Pi accept log ins from my local machine? I am running Fedora Linux.

Is this off-topic?
it could be but it falls in that category of would someone new to a pi ask this if yes then I feel it is ok or needs to be migrated rather than just killed.
I think we should at least close it.
how annoyed do you get when someone points you to a blogpost/answer that points somewhere else anf that then points somewhere else
22:53
Over 9000.
link leads to link leads to link until you have followed 5 links to finally get to an answer
@Steve: Its only annoying if you don't get the answer at the end
@SteveRobillard I'm voting to close as off-topic.
@finnw What is your opinion?
I vote not to close without linking to the relevant SU or SO question
yes, off-topic. I haven't searched but am willing to bet there is a similar question on SU and/or U+L
22:54
@finnwmildly annoying even if yiou get an answer but by closing you hit a road block I think migrating is much bettre it keeps that link chain alive
How about:
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Q: How to make password-less login work

TshepangI generated a key and copied it to my target: ssh-keygen ssh-copy-id username@hostname I left the the location of the key as default and did not set any passphrase. For a small while after that, I was able to ssh username@hostname without being prompted for a password, and then it stopped wor...

@SteveRobillard The question is already answered. It's not like we are a dead end.
@SteveRobillard: As I said, I'm happy to follow a chain of up to 3 links, as long as the links are still live and lead to the answer (which is usually true of SE sites)
closed prevents updates for new info and it also doesn't cover windows
I don't care.
This isn't the right site anyways.
22:58
I agree but by migrating we help those new users who are struggling with these issues find an up to date answer
Unless you want to get a mod involved, this isn't going to get migrate. =/
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Q: ssh prompts for password despite .ssh/authorized_keys

RadekI issued ssh username@db2workgoup -n "echocat ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub>> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys" and then checked that the key was stored in authorized_keys file. But ssh is still asking for the password. I used the same for other servers within our company without any troubles. Someone can help...

we will have mods shortly as I understand it
Yes, but for now I'm voting to close.
I don't have a problem with that my opinion does not have to be that of the group or set in stone
23:04
I know, all I'm saying is that we shouldn't allow questions just because they may be common.
Once we get the ability to migrate questions we can do that, but for now we're kind of stuck. =/
23:15
If you remove the words 'Raspberry Pi' from the title and question, would you be able to say for sure that the question is about Raspberry Pi?
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There we go. Now our maxim is pinned again.
23:32
Hey guys, I've asked a question on meta relating to our maxim. Please read this and share your opinion on the matter. Thanks!
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Q: What should our site maxim be?

dunsmorebCurrently, we don't have a centralized set of rules or general rule that we can refer to if a question is off-topic or not. While we do have the proposed FAQ, not a lot of people link to it or use it when discussing why a question is on- or off-topic. Which is why I'm proposing that we have a sit...

23:46
I doubt that being as specific to the Raspberry Pi as you, @dunsmoreb suggest would be a good idea. After all many questions that come up when working with a Pi are at their core Linux/Unix/Debian or programming specific and should therefore be answered at different stackexchanges. But on the other hand: Why not tell all those stories from a Pi perspective, as long as someone is willing to do so? In my case the question might have been 1% Pi and 99 % SSH, but that 1% might still help someone.
We already have a site for U&L questions, we don't want all of those over here.
Why not?
I think, this is about includism/excludism, again just like on wikipedia.
Includism/excludism? Where'd you get that?
I think you should read the discussion surrounding the acid test.
Jun 18 at 19:46, by Jivings
Anyway, I would like to propose a new Acid Test for off topic questions.
You will have to read for a while, I would say for about five page-fulls?

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