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00:37
@Jivings Already upvoted your proposal. =P
Now we just have to wait a week... Lol.
I didn't think it would be very controversial.
:)
How about...
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Q: How to set up swap space?

TiborRaspberry Pi has only 256 MB of RAM, so I would like to use swap space (either on SD card or attached USB storage). How do I set it up?

What about it, do you think it is off-topic?
Idk.
I'm just throwing stuff into the wind. =P
I need to save my brainpower for tomorrow.
Wait?
Are we going public today?
I'm so confused by this localization.
Haha.
It's 1:42AM here.
00:42
It's 1942 here.
And it's 0042 at SE.
I really don't know what TZ we're following..
Nice work. That's what we want to see.
Just some last minute clean up until the mythical public hour.
=P
I still want to see this meta post
00:48
Ikr? So unfair. D=>
Should we have this FAQ question?
> How do I install <Debian/Arch Linux>?
<burns some karma>
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A: How to set up swap space?

finnwDo not do this at all. You should not enable swap on the Raspberry Pi. Although it is possible, it is not useful. Even on a class 10 SDHC card, it is just too slow. Also you will reduce the lifespan of the SD card. On any flash-based storage device (SD card, SDD, USB thumb drives) you are als...

@finnw What did you do?
That (I think) is the answer that proves the question is on-topic
because it would be wrong for a similar question on unix.se
I'll let other people decide and then follow the crowd.
@finnw I think you might be right there. Swap on the RPi is useless.
@finnw You may have just awesomely proved that questions may be ambiguously on/off topic.
00:57
@Jivings, I think one of my questions already did that
I was meaning to talk to you about that
Did you install it through apt?
because none of the applications/libraries involved are RasPi-specific...
True
though they depend on drivers that are
(and I suspect the drivers are part of the problem)
@Jivings yes I did install it through apt
So, did you install through apt?
Have you tried building from source?
It took about 40 minutes.
01:14
No I haven't tried that. Might do so next week if I get a chance.
01:38
Right, I'm off to bed. Good luck for public tomorrow everyone.
Good night.
02:24
@Shog9 When do you expect to undelete your question?
 
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03:30
Good night y'all.
 
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07:18
@dunsmoreb Probably tomorrow, but... I realized I was kinda going off on a tangent here with that anyway (that's the trouble with trying to write about one thing while having a conversation about something else). Here's my take on @Jiving's post from earlier:
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A: Are some off-topic questions necessary for a healthy community?

Shog9No. Off-topic questions aren't necessary for a healthy community. As Robert notes, you don't want to just throw your hands up and allow any topic provided it comes from someone working with a RaspberryPi device. You cannot reasonably hope to cover any possible questions of interest to Raspberry...

 
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08:44
@AlexChamberlain "root does not have a password and it shouldn't! – Alex Chamberlain ↵ 27 mins ago"
What?
What? Unless you really know what you are doing, root should not have a password. You can achieve everything using sudo.
sudo logs the commands run, and you can limit what users can run as root
If root doesn't have a password then you can run su root unprompted.
Interesting
Having a blank password for root is crazy. That means anyone can log in as root on your pi.
And do whatever they like.
"If you want to enable root account (which is not recommended) enter the following command."
08:47
Blank password is different from no password
Ah, this is a debian thing?
@Jivings Possibly
I've never heard of it before.
On Debian and Ubuntu, if root has no password set, the account is disabled.
At least that's how it is enabled/disabled.
I thought that was the case!
08:48
Fair enough. That's okay then.
I guess I falsely assumed that to be the default behavior.
I thought I was going crazy for a sec there
I have only used Debian/Ubuntu/Mint Linux, so I've never seen any other behaviour
I've never used Debian/Ubuntu.
Debian's alright, and I'm still using Ubuntu 10.04
My Arch ARM install root password was root. Because Arch doesn't come with any software, there's no sudo unless you install it..
So not changing the root password is a pretty massive security risk.
08:51
Yes
Ok, we should change this question to "Should I create a new user?" and update the/add a answer for Arch and possibly QtonPi
Agree?
Following the meta discussion on necessary off-topic questions?
@Jivings @AlexChamberlain @OliverSalzburg it is for precisely these reasons that I asked the question
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Q: Should I create a new user for Debian?

Andrew FoggI am interested to know if there may be any security or permissions related reasons for creating a new user. I am using the Debian Squeeze operating system from the Raspberry Pi website.

Morning Andrew
@Jivings which meta question?
i just followed that root password conversation you had
08:53
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Q: Are some off-topic questions necessary for a healthy community?

JivingsI want to share my experiences this week and how my opinion has been shaped by the community. I have spent a great deal of time in chat, and it seems this meta question is brought up at least once a day, and still appears to not be resolved. Today I had a discussion with Andrew Fogg. Andrew is...

@Jivings Morning! :-)
So, this is a necessary off-topic question?
I would say so.
We've just proved it's on topic for beginners.
So perhaps it can be changed to 'How do I create a new user?' or 'Should I create a new user?'
We've just proved it's on topic for vaguely experienced people!
Let's go with How, as that's what we are describing - I'll change the question and my Debian answer
Maybe, you could add an Arch answer?
@AlexChamberlain Done.
On Debian/Ubuntu, what stops a normal user from creating the root account then?
Oh, it has to be done with sudo.
09:07
@Jivings Can you delete your comments on my question please?
Yup
"Don't be too relaxed with your RPi's security though"
What are the default permissions on /home/pi?
Not sure I follow - only pi will be able to read it, but that's no use once the SD card leaves the RPi
Yeah, true.
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Q: What is the effect of setting an empty (root) password?

Oliver SalzburgOver at RaspberryPi.SE we were discussing the effects of setting an empty root password. This sparked confusion, as we seemed to have a differing idea of the result of this. Does it effectively disable the account (like we observed in Debian-based systems)? Or does it allow you to use the root a...

Now I want the truth! :D
09:27
Interesting.
I wonder when public beta kicks off today.
09:56
So, I had the wrong understanding all along about the root password thing.
Interesting
10:13
ok so what is the rest of the process for the beta it appears we go to public beta some time today how long does it last and then what?
10:29
@SteveRobillard It lasts minimum 90 days I believe.
@OliverSalzburg So what was the actual answer? I don't think I understand.
10:46
It's not actually setting an empty password. That was just our interpretation of what's happening.
It's not set to an empty password, but to a non-existing one.
   -l, --lock
       Lock the password of the named account. This option disables a password by changing it to a value which matches no possible encrypted value (it adds a ´!´
       at the beginning of the password).
That's what's happening when the account is disabled on Debian.
By setting a password, the account is reenabled because, now the password is valid.
But that doesn't imply that no password was set previously.
Right, okay.
That makes sense.
 
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14:00
@Jivings quick thought about your question re resize / partition, should we worry about / vs root that is one of those things you pick up along the way with linux but not neccesarily common knowledge. should it be resize my / (root) partition?
Sounds like a good idea.
I'm still concerned about that answer. For some reason I was under the impression that the filesystem size is constrained by the size of the image flashed onto the card.
But perhaps that is only when using QEMU
It is constrained by the image becasue of the placement of the / partition between the boot and swap
I mean by the size of the image.
I just made the edit to your question
Which question?
Oh right, dm
14:05
/root
it is constrained by the image I don't know that you can make a dynamically sized image
but if you put the / partition at the end it would be much easier to recreate the partition and resize
The experience I had while emulating is that the image is 2GB.
This means that the combined size of the partitions could not exceed 2GB.
But I haven't tested it on the actual SD card.
exactly and I am sure the 2gb thing was a choice to allow smaller cheaper cards
Exactly what?
combined size of all partitions =2gb
So on the SD card you can't exceed 2GB?
I don't think you understand me...
14:12
Yello.
@AlexChamberlain just deleted his setup question, so I asked a new one covering just the last part (making it secure before putting it online)
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Q: How can I protect the Raspberry Pi against intrusion and malware before connecting it to the internet (especially on a public IP address?)

finnwWith the large number of Raspberry Pis in the wild, and the fact that large groups of them are configured identically (when a newly-flashed SD card is installed with one of the few available images), they are likely to be a tempting target for malware, including botnets. What can be done to miti...

He actually moved it to a tag wiki as I suggested.
@finnw It's Linux. Nobody cares about us. =P
ok
14:17
So when are we going public?
No idea.
Argh. This timezone thing is so confusing. D=>
the sd card as flashed is partitioned to approx 2gb so all partitions must btotal to that limit. but that is a logical limit not a physical disk limit
I'm off for a few hours now. Hopefully we'll be live when I get back :)
Hopefully, bye. =P
14:19
@SteveRobillard What do you mean by logical limit?
the physical limit is the size of the disk
...That wasn't what I asked.
But lol.
Really going now, I'll catch up with you later. I actually have a different answer to that question, but I wanted you to explain yours so I could determine which was better.
@dunsmoreb, our area51 page says 6 days in beta. I think it needs to reach 7 as a minimum
@finnw I know. But it said six days yesterday.
This timezone stuff is so messed up.
@SteveRobillard Deleting partitions to resize them seems like a bit of a hack to me, so I'll be sticking to my way I think.
14:23
a logical limit is one imposed by the partition table. so there is the configured limit (partition table size) and the physical size (total disk space). have you ever dual booted a machine with only a single hard drive. or maybe your pc has a single drive but has 2 different drive letters
@finnw Would it make sense to add resources to the Arch tag? Like.
@Jivingstoo each his own
@dunsmoreb archlinuxarm.org you mean
@Jivings Sorry.
And maybe a link to the AUR?
There's so little support on the AUR for arm packages it's probably not worth it yet.
I have to edit every package file to get it to install.
14:26
@dunsmoreb, @Jivings: We should probably link to both
Go for it.
Okay.
@Jivings Btw, what do you do?
@Jivings, why not favourite the question instead of using a comment as a bookmark?
@Jivings You there?
@dunsmoreb I'm not sure about that reddit link
14:32
@finnw Why not?
Ah.
Just remove it.
Isn't there an improve button?
Not for tag wikis, only for questions/answers
I don't know why that is
That is weird.
Just accept it and I'll put another edit in.
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Q: Allow 'improve' for Tag Wiki Edit Suggestions

Lance RobertsI've been approving or rejecting Tag Wiki Excerpt Edit Suggestions, but some of them are close and I'd like to just tweak them. We can improve regular edit suggestions, how about giving us an Improve button for Tag Wiki Edit Suggestions. Note: If I click on the tag wiki excerpt link, then it ta...

> you can only Improve a post if you would have the right to edit it unsupervised.
There. Thanks. =P
14:44
Why is it interesting?
The fact that the top 4 are all British
Oh. My. God.
It's a conspiracy! D=>
(to be fair I just boosted @AlexChamberlain's rep slightly - he was just behind @Tibor - so yes it is :-)
Haha.
I lead the Americans. =P
I also don't actually have an RPi yet!
14:46
Does anybody?
@Jivings You there?
Nope.
15:26
@dunsmoreb i have a raspberry pi
@AndrewFogg Coolio.
Do you have Arch Linux on it?
debian
Ah.
Pshadwa.
15:29
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Q: How can I protect the Raspberry Pi against intrusion and malware before connecting it to the internet (especially on a public IP address?)

finnwWith the large number of Raspberry Pis in the wild, and the fact that large groups of them are configured identically (when a newly-flashed SD card is installed with one of the few available images), they are likely to be a tempting target for malware, including botnets. What can be done to miti...

this is a great question
15:55
@AndrewFogg: Thanks :-)
Opinions?
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Q: How do I install packages from the AUR?

dunsmorebArch Linux has the AUR, a collection of user-built packages. How do I install these packages on Arch Linux ARM though?

I want it to be CW for new users.
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A: What questions should be protected, community questions?

dunsmorebI would like this question about installing from AUR on Arch Linux ARM to be a community question. How do I install packages from the AUR? I can see it as common question coming up for new Arch Linux users.

What do you guys think of this question?
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Q: DSI video connector

Maria ZverinaOn the left of the Raspberry logo, there is a DSI connector. I am not familiar with this standard. What sort of displays can I connect to using this connector? And can I buy these displays off the shelf?

16:51
@dunsmoreb What?
17:03
@Jivings What?
 
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19:45
Badges!!!
Sweet. My first Beta badge on any SE site :)
@OliverSalzburg Same. =P
Beta. Beta. Beta! =D
Really?
20:03
Congrats all. We made it to public beta!
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My first beta badge too.
@Jivings Yes.
I'm just sad I have to have my edits approved now...
20:15
Ha ha
Can you do me a favour and fix my AUR answer. I'm on my phone.
@Jivings Sorry. Which one?
Oh. See it! =D
@Jivings You can't install yaourt via pacman.
I'm fairly sure you can. I did it yesterday.
You didn't used to be able to though.
It is not in the official packages.
Nevertheless. It seems to work. I'll check tomorrow. It may be there's an extra repo in the pacman conf.
It doesn't work on my system. =/
20:34
Weird.
Maybe we should change that to tell them to build it as stated in my answer?
21:20
We got our first migrated question. =P
@dunsmoreb Yeah... Good one too ;P
@OliverSalzburg Why can't I edit this?
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Q: GStreamer raspberry pi gst-omx

user185955Been having the toughest time over the last week trying to get gst-omx plugin working with gstreamer on the Raspberry PI. I wonder if anyone here has done it and could show me how? I've installed wheezy as git://git.collabora.co.uk/git/user/gkiagia/gst-omx0.10-debian.git needs a testing version...

@dunsmoreb Because it has a pending edit (mine).
At least, that's what I assume.
21:23
Man do I wish I could still review suggested edits. =/
Yeah, I miss my edit privileges :D
I can't even edit questions any more without them getting approved. D=>

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