The Bakery

Jivings

00:11

@dunsmoreb Hello.

dunsmoreb

@Jivings Hey.

Sorry I haven't been on frequently. I was on vacation in OK, USA.

Jivings

How's it going? Just noticed you'd appeared.

Nice.

dunsmoreb

I know right?

I just got back from an eight hour car ride... =P

Jivings

And straight onto RPi SE. Dedication.

dunsmoreb

Ikr?

This is like the first thing I check every day. =P

Jivings

00:12

Me too atm.

dunsmoreb

What is with all the non-RPi questions?

Like this one.

Jivings

There have been a few about software today.

dunsmoreb

4

Q: Taking a screenshot (within X)

How can I take a screenshot in X.org? I am unsure if the Print Screen button will "just work" and I don't know how I would go about testing it.

Jivings

I know.

dunsmoreb

I don't think this is really RPi-related. Seems like something for Unix and Linux.

Jivings

00:14

That sort of thing is difficult.

dunsmoreb

It is made even worse about the fact that nobody vists meta.

Jivings

It would be easier if we could vote to migrate. I guess that is a beta restriction.

I was moaning on meta earlier.,

dunsmoreb

I guess we will have to decide which sites we want to have for that.

Jivings

Some tag edits today were terrible.

dunsmoreb

Really?

Like which ones?

Jivings

00:15

[tag:waterproofing]
Waterproofing is the process of protecting something from water.

dunsmoreb

Wow.

Jivings

More here: meta.raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/143/…

dunsmoreb

I retagged media-center to media for your question.

> Maybe you are just not very good at writing tag wiki entries.

Haha. I love that.

Jivings

:D

My question?

dunsmoreb

Si.

2

Q: Is there any workaround for Netflix compatibility?

I know that netflix does not work with Linux because the open-source Silverlight (moonlight) doesn't support encryption. Have any workarounds or solutions been identified to bring Netflix to the Raspberry Pi for those of us that want to create media centers?

media netflix streaming-video

Jivings

00:17

Posted by hidden_premise

dunsmoreb

Really?

6

Q: How do I install new software?

I am aware that Linux distributions usually have 'package managers' to allow me to download and install software from the command line and that I should also be able to download and compile source code from the web but I am not sure about how best to do either of these things on the Raspberry Pi.

debian setup update package-management

@Jivings I just looked at the modified field. Sorry.

Jivings

:|

I know. Seem to have got a lot of those today...

dunsmoreb

I can't believe that there is only one other close vote...

Jivings

You have mine now.

dunsmoreb

Coolio.

I feel like the problem is that people don't know about our decision on meta.

Jivings

00:20

Why is Debian considered the standard installation?

dunsmoreb

I have no clue...

@Shog9 Can we put a notice to a meta question on the site?

Jivings

Which question?

dunsmoreb

The OS one. Let me see which one...

Jivings

I know what you mean.

dunsmoreb

I'm really hating this answer...

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A: Raspberry Pi itself vs. specific OS issues

I think RaspberryPi.SE should be a harbor for people who are interested in the subject or newcomers that desperately require guidance. As long as what they're doing is done on the Raspberry Pi, it's on-topic. I see the site like, for example, AskUbuntu.SE. Of course it has a major overlap with U...

Jivings

00:23

It seems to have the majority.

Shog9

@dunsmoreb There are four meta questions listed at the top of the right-hand sidebar (the "bulletin board"). The one you want isn't in there?

Jivings

I see the point. There will be a lot of newcomers to linux here.

dunsmoreb

@Shog9 No.

I want this one...

Jivings

And in some way I want to encourage them as much as possible.

dunsmoreb

5

A: Linux Questions: to close/migrate or to accept

I don't know enough about the subject to answer your question directly, but I can provide some guidance to point you in the right direction. Note: When I say "Raspberry Pi", I'm speaking generically about any subject — This site is about the subject of "Raspberry Pi" — You cannot re...

@Jivings I just don't like all these questions not related to the RPi.

I mean these new questions have nothing to with he RPi.

Jivings

00:25

Granted, the how do I install software question is terrible.

Shog9

@dunsmoreb wouldn't have shown up because it was at +2, and the threshold is +3. Also, it's closed. Gonna merge those answers into the other question if you've no objections.

dunsmoreb

This guy seems to be a pretty big offender.

Andrew Fogg, London, United Kingdom

367 7

midori screenshot web xorg setup update package-management

@Shog9 None at all.

Should we edit this question to apply to all OSs?

5

Q: How do I install Google Chrome?

When I go to download Google Chrome from http://www.google.com/chrome in Midori on the Raspberry Pi , I am presented with a modal dialogue box, Please select your download package: 32 bit .deb (For Debian/Ubuntu) 64 bit .deb (For Debian/Ubuntu) 32 bit .rpm (For Fedora/openSUSE) ...

midori web chrome

Has to do with more, "How do I install Google Chrome on ARM?"

Jivings

Yeah I guess.

My cross compiling was a big failure.

dunsmoreb

Which one?

Shog9

@dunsmoreb Merged.

dunsmoreb

00:27

@Shog9 Thanks.

Now can we get that question on the side thing?

Shog9

The meta questions shown on the front page rotate periodically, btw

dunsmoreb

Okay.

Shog9

If it's not shown now, it should show up later. Of course, feel free to link to it when / where it's relevant.

dunsmoreb

Coolio.

Jivings

Thanks

"You don't want to set up an environment where the mere mention of "Linux" brings down the wrath of the ban hammer. Always consider the context, and always provide sound, friendly guidance about why you've taken the actions you've chosen."

That's what I'm worried will happen if we start closing all Linux questions.

dunsmoreb

00:29

> You don't want to set up an environment where the mere mention of "Linux" brings down the wrath of the ban hammer. Always consider the context, and always provide sound, friendly guidance about why you've taken the actions you've chosen.

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There. Nice formatting for pinning. =P

Jivings

Nice.

> Like this?

dunsmoreb

@Jivings I'm not proposing the we close all Linux questions.

I'm just saying that we close Linux questions that are not somewhat specific to RPi.

Jivings

I think you're right about that.

dunsmoreb

Like this question.

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Q: How do I install new software?

I am aware that Linux distributions usually have 'package managers' to allow me to download and install software from the command line and that I should also be able to download and compile source code from the web but I am not sure about how best to do either of these things on the Raspberry Pi.

debian setup update package-management

Is not specific to the RPi at all.

Jivings

I'm trying to think of how that can be re-phrased to work. But it really cannot.

dunsmoreb

00:31

4

Q: Taking a screenshot (within X)

How can I take a screenshot in X.org? I am unsure if the Print Screen button will "just work" and I don't know how I would go about testing it.

screenshot xorg

Similar question.

@Jivings Same.

How about?

Jivings

Alright, let's get these closed.

dunsmoreb

> Questions that apply to non-RPi devices are off-topic?

I think that is a good base though could be rephrased a little bit.

Shog9

btw, @Jivings - nice work on the tag wikis. This one was a bit troublesome though, and could probably use another look after my edits

Jivings

How about
> Questions that cannot be solely attributed to the Raspberry Pi.

dunsmoreb

Got to go.

Be back in 15-20 mins.

Jivings

00:34

@Shog9 I wanted to delete it tbh

Shog9

@Jivings Ah, you'd need to roll it back to the first revision for that. Done.

Jivings

Okay. I'll let someone else come up with something. But I actually don't think the tag will be used again.

@Shog9 I think we need to get some proper content in the heavily used tags really. Before worrying about the others.

Shog9

@Jivings Yeah, don't stress about them too much. Tag excerpts / wikis are most useful for the first dozen or so by frequency, followed by those that need some usage guidance.

Jivings

Alright thanks.

@Shog9 When you VTC as Off Topic, what determines the list of sites you can migrate too?

Shog9

@Jivings It's a hand-picked list of sites that are likely to be useful (at most 5). The meta site will always be on there. For beta sites, it'll be the only one - migration elsewhere is moderator only until graduation (at which point there should be enough data and a solid enough scope to allow us to establish the others).

Jivings

00:47

Okay cool.

finnw

I did a quick search of unix.se, for an exact equivalent of #387 but was surprised when I did not find one

Shog9

During the private beta, we generally discourage anything from being migrated - either in or out. If something's off-topic, it should just be closed - that way it can be discussed (and potentially edited, re-opened, etc) without another site getting in the way.

@finnw Yeah, beginner topics are generally less well-represented on U&L (they're not off-topic, but the audience includes fewer beginners).

Jivings

Generally a user will use the package manager when installing a system, or it is covered very early in the beginners guide.

finnw

Why don't I see an "improve" button in edit review (as I do on SO?)

Jivings

I see it sometimes, but not others.

finnw

00:55

Oh I think I know - @Jivings edit is on a tag wiki not an answer

Jivings

That's probably it.

finnw

@Jivings, I think this part is a bit confusing: "Use for questions related to the architecture of the Raspberry Pi. For compilation questions, consider the cross-compiling tag."

Jivings

Get rid of the second half then.

finnw

That's not what I mean... "architecture of the Raspberry Pi" sounds like it refers to the overall design, you want to make clear that it refers to the CPU

Jivings

Oh right.

What would you put?

finnw

01:00

I'm not sure

Jivings

How about.

Questions concerning the ARMv6 processor that drives the Raspberry Pi.

finnw

Yes I like that one

Jivings

You got it

finnw

01:17

Oh dear, I seem to be the most close voter on the site

Jivings

Haha, I'm surprised its not @dunsmoreb

Shog9

@finnw Maybe, "questions related to the CPU and instruction set of the Raspberry Pi. See also: cross-compiling"

finnw

I just looked at the "close" tab under "review" - every question that has at least one close vote, and I was one of the close voters every time

Jivings

@Shog9 I'll take a look at it again.

finnw

Only 9 of us can VTC right now though, and I'm not aware of mods closing anything yet

Oh sorry, 16

Jivings

01:25

:)

Shog9

@finnw 1 post mod-closed, three deleted

Alessandro Cosentino

@Jivings: about Stella on arch, what do you mean by "fine". Does it react quickly when you click on buttons?

Jivings

tbh, I just started it.

I didn't test it. If you like I can have another look, but my Pi is just compiling something else atm.

Alessandro Cosentino

on X mine starts too, but it's not fast

for example, try to go to settings and click some buttons

Jivings

I'm heading to bed now, but I'll take another look in the morning.

It's 2:30AM here.

Alessandro Cosentino

01:32

ok, thanks!

Jivings

G'night all

dunsmoreb

Hey.

Sorry it took me so long, had to remove a branch from the roof...

@Jivings Haha. Thanks dawg. =P

finnw

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No. Popularity does not, and should not, supersede the site guidelines. We shouldn't decrease the site's signal to noise ratio and allow subjective, off-topic, etc questions simply because they are popular. Further, introducing such a rule suddenly ties questions to time. Every new question w...

Very relevant to us I think :-)

dunsmoreb

VERY.

Maybe we should create a meta post for this, that way it shows in the Community Bulletin?

meta.raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/users

I'm surprised that I'm the top user by participation... =P

Should we retag web as web-browsing?

finnw

01:51

@dunsmoreb, I don't think so, just because superuser doesn't.

dunsmoreb

@finnw Well the tag desc makes the actual tag name kinda ambiguous.

From my experience, users do not read the tag descriptions and so we need to make the tag names as descriptive as possible.

Jivings

09:54

@dunsmoreb I struggled with that tag description

dunsmoreb

14:27

@Jivings The web one?

Jivings

Yes. I thought about web-browsing

Probably an improvement.

@dunsmoreb Are you going to be working on tags today? :)

dunsmoreb

@Jivings Si.

Jivings

Yay.

I'm off to play some badminton in a sec. But I can approve edits in a couple of hours so go mental.

dunsmoreb

Ya! Badminton! =D

I rock at that game. =P

Jivings

Awesome.

My Pi has been annoying me this morning, so I'm going to take my mind off it!

dunsmoreb

14:30

I just found out that I won't get my Pi until August...

Jivings

Wow, that sucks

dunsmoreb

Ikr? School starts in that month too! D=>

Jivings

Oh dear

dunsmoreb

What?

Jivings

You wont get any RPi alone time.

dunsmoreb

14:33

Ikr?! D=>

> And finally, Warrington Collegiate have been working on getting Windows 7 (!) running on the Raspberry Pi using the VMware View Open Client.

> Nick made a download available this morning – get testing!

Jivings

No thanks!

dunsmoreb

Haha.

Jivings

Impressive, but I favour Linux anyway.

dunsmoreb

I wonder why my star is at the top?

Jivings

Time to go!

dunsmoreb

14:42

Okay. Bye! D=>

Jivings

Probably because you're the room admin

dunsmoreb

Your posts weren't super starred though...

@Jivings Did you approve my edit. =P

finnw

15:40

@dunsmoreb, I don't think it is necessary to avoid power-supply on alternate-power questions, as you edit seems to imply...

That would be like insisting on not mentioning python because numpy implies it

dunsmoreb

@finnw Wait for it...

Here you go. This one is you.

> There's only one question atm, but I would expect alternative-power to mean powering the device using anything but a micro-USB charger

finnw

yes, but I would put both tags on that question

indeed the 2 current questions do have both tags

dunsmoreb

Okay.

Wait a sec then.

Tada.

dunsmoreb

17:53

Coolio: thimble.webmaker.org/en-US

Jivings

Hello

dunsmoreb

@Jivings Hey.

I've edited about six tag wikis.

Jivings

How's it going? 16 suggested edits for me to review. Nice work.

Some are by ACarter.

And are being rejected...

dunsmoreb

Which ones?

Like this?

raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/suggested-edits/213

Jivings

Display: This tag should be used for questions relating to how to connect and use display sytemss for the Rasberry Pi.

How can that be improved? (ignoring the typo)

dunsmoreb

17:56

Hmm...

Oliver Salzburg

[tag:display]

dunsmoreb

@OliverSalzburg Yes?

Oliver Salzburg

Just FYI ;D

Jivings

Thanks Oliver...

lol

Oliver Salzburg

And I needed to click that to see what has been tagged with it ;)

dunsmoreb

18:00

@Jivings

raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/suggested-edits/215

Jivings

Better.

Could you take a look at java?

dunsmoreb

I also copied the excerpt into the wiki.

@Jivings Sure.

Jivings

Thanks.

I approved it because it's better than nothing

dunsmoreb

How about.

> Java is a C-like programming language developed by Sun Microsystems.

Jivings

Some example questions would be nice. The Wiki is just unfinished.

What should security refer to?

Alex Chamberlain

18:04

Just wrote an Android wiki for you. Quite brief, but a good start?

Jivings

The suggestion for it is "Questions related to security of data on the Raspberry Pi."

Seems a bit broad.

dunsmoreb

Si.

finnw

You could copy the Java one from StackOverflow (minus the FAQ section)

dunsmoreb

Well I have to go.

I'll probably be back in an hour.

Bye.

Jivings

@AlexChamberlain Actually Android supports ARM, MIPS, and x86 too

finnw

18:06

Oh, I just got +2 rep from a tag wiki edit. Didn't know that was possible once you had over 1000

Alex Chamberlain

Is it primarily developed for MIPS and x86?

Or primarily developed for ARM, with MIPS and x86 ports?

Jivings

I think it's just Google TV that uses x86

@finnw I'm still getting +2s

Alex Chamberlain

You get +2s until you have +1000 from edits?

Jivings

Could be. I have no idea.

We need to get out of private beta now. The questions have dried up.

Alex Chamberlain

Agree, there are a lot of artificial questions too - need some real ones

finnw

18:11

Found the answer:

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A: No reputation from suggested edits

There were 2 bugs here, one fixed 2 days ago one fixed just a few moments ago. First, post deletions weren't immediately affecting your rep as they should have (it was getting skewed) - that was fixed 2 days ago. Second, the "do you have 1,000 rep from suggested edits?" check wasn't paying atte...

Yes, it's tempting to ask artificial ones :-)

I know how to liven things up...

Jivings

I still have unanswered questions though.

So I guess we need new users.

finnw

I just started a bounty on one of my questions

I just hope we get to public beta (and someone who knows the answer joins) before it expires!

Jivings

I was going to wait for public before I put bounty on mine.

dunsmoreb

18:35

Back! =D

Oliver Salzburg

18:47

Advice from someone who's sorting out this sort of thing on a much more mature site, sort this out right now while there aren't many questions to edit. — Tom Medley 8 hours ago

Are we planning to make a move on that, btw?

dunsmoreb

I think we should.

The majority agrees that we should spell it out, so we should do that.

I don't think this is related to RPi.

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Q: Should I create a new user on my Raspberry Pi or am I ok just using the "pi" user that came with it?

I am interested to know if there may be any security or permissions related reasons for creating a new user. I am using the Debian "squeeze" distribution from the RPi website.

debian setup squeeze

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