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Shog9

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@OliverSalzburg chat.stackexchange.com/faq#room-users

Oliver Salzburg

@Shog9 What about it?

That's a lot to read

And I'm drunk

Shog9

@OliverSalzburg Skip to the bottom section about automatic room owner appointments ;-)

Oliver Salzburg

@Shog9 Oh, thanks :)

Awesome. The procedure is excellently documented, as always.

Long live king @dunsmoreb :D

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dunsmoreb

01:41

Yo subjects.

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Oliver Salzburg

10:57

Hi :D

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Jivings

14:08

I finally have tag synonym privs. Let me know if there are any that need merging.

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Jivings

18:24

The tag wiki's badly need cleaning up.

Any volunteers? It's crazy, I can approve them, but I can't edit without approval and I cant approve my own edits.

Shog9

@Jivings You mean like this?

'cause if you want to do more of that, start submitting edits - I'll approve them as soon as I see them.

Just stick to "how this tag should be used" over "what this word means in some abstract context"

Jivings

Nice one, I'll get to work.

That's the main problem I'm seeing.

No-one needs to know what a hard-drive is!

Shog9

@Jivings Exactly. There's a blog post about that here:

Blog - Stack Exchange: Redesigned Tags Page

Jeff Atwood on March 23, 2011

In the spirit of our recent redesign of the users page, we felt it was time to enhance the tags page, too.

As you can see, the tags page now shows a bit more information about each tag, namely:

The first three lines of the tag wiki excerpt for the tag. The number of questions asked in that tag over the last two relevant time intervals — day, week, or month. These intervals are also clickable so you can zoom into recent questions with the tag.

The number of questions asked in that tag over the last two relevant time intervals — day, week, or month. These intervals are also clickable so you can zoom into recent questions with the tag. …

Jivings

Yes, I've taken a look at that a few times.

Shog9

It's handily linked to from the tag wiki editor... Obviously, not enough <blink>

Jivings

18:34

Heh

Are you one of the original proposers?

Shog9

@Jivings No. Just a SE employee hanging around to lend a hand.

Jivings

Excellent, I knew it was one or the other :) Thanks for your help.

Shog9

Jivings

If I say a users name, will they get a notification even if they haven't been in chat before?

eg, I want to talk to @ACarter

Jivings

18:56

@Shog9 Can you tell me how to create tag synonyms?

dm, I worked it out. It was hidden at the bottom of the page.

Shog9

19:37

@Jivings No, unless they've been in the chatroom fairly recently, it won't work.

Jivings

Okay, no worries.

Shog9

You can always post a link to chat in a comment somewhere if you want to invite someone

Jivings

Tried to entice him, no word yet. Trying to help him understand why his tag wiki edits are being declined.

Jivings

20:05

@Shog9 Mind if I ask you more questions that I can't find the answer to?

Shog9

20:59

@Jivings Go right ahead (I'm in and out today, but I'll check in periodically)

Jivings

21:11

@Shog9 Great :) I was just wondering how long the beta stage lasts. Is a decision made at some point to release?

Shog9

@Jivings Yes. It varies based on the level of activity and overall quality of content produced by a site. For more, see:

Blog - Stack Exchange: When Will My Site Graduate?

Robert Cartaino on October 20, 2010

At 90 days into beta, we’re supposed to evaluate each Area 51 beta site and either “pass” or “fail” them as full Stack Exchange sites. Some sites feel they’re not going to make it.

The Geographic Information Systems SE site has one more day of beta. We are Excellent in Qs answered and answer ratio, Okay in visits/day and Worrying in number of questions and number of avid users.

Are the admins planning to shut us down?

Please don’t! We may be small, but we’re good and growing. I’ve been working in the GIS field for almost 15 years and been acti …

Jivings

Thanks

Shog9

(the summary is: you'll be evaluated at 90 days and periodically after that, with the exact period based on past performance - when we feel the site can stand on its own, we'll graduate it. Past beta periods have ranged from 90 days to well over a year)

Jivings

Excellent, thanks for that answer

How about from private to public beta?

Q: How long is a site in private-beta/beta?

How long will a private beta be up normally?

finnw

Signal Processing has been 306 days in beta!

@Shog9, I think that blog post says more about problems with the design of SE than problems with the GIS (or any other) site

Shog9

21:24

@finnw Wasn't really supposed to be about problems, simply about process. If you notice, GIS has graduated some time ago...

(But yes, there are problems in the current system, which we're working to address with a new one)

finnw

I assume there is a meta.so thread about this somewhere...

But it has a lot to do with the assumption that the best people to have access to moderator tools are those that post a lot of answers (since that's the main way to earn rep)

Shog9

The original goal of SE 2.0 was to take topics whose audience overlapped heavily with the existing SO (/SU/SF) audience and turn them into sites. Where that's happened, it's worked quite well (we're preparing to graduate yet another one after just over 90 days...) but there are quite a few that simply don't have the numbers to stand alone.

@finnw At one time, I really liked the idea of sort of a "parallel reputation" that was based on meta activity: editing, close/reopening, retagging, flagging, etc. The problem is, when activity (questions, answers, voting) on a site is low, this sort of meta activity is usually a lot, lot lower - so even if such a system existed, it probably wouldn't help.

@Jivings Yeah, private beta is usually a week, two weeks if necessary. The goal here is simply to get enough questions and answers, on enough varied topics, to clearly indicate what the site is about (and what it's not about) prior to letting just anyone drop by. Remember, the first thing new folks are gonna see are the "active" questions on the homepage - if those don't reflect the nature of the site, things will go down hill quickly.

finnw

It's also that the rep thresholds (e.g. 3000 to vote to close) are fixed, rather than proportional to how busy the site is. You might have equally-qualified users on a smaller site, but it's much harder to earn that much rep just because there are fewer questions to earn it from

It's not such a problem with private betas, because the number of users is roughly the same for all of them

Jivings

Interesting discussions.

Shog9

21:48

@finnw Yeah - they change between private, public beta, and graduated sites, but there's no scaling based on rep-levels or activity. It's something we've talked about, but not a trivial change.

(Also... if you look back, SO went from one vote to close, to three votes to close, to 5 votes to close within its first year - that's something that's just not done at all)

Jivings

22:08

@Shog9 So would you say, in your personal experience, that this community is doing well in its early stages?

Or perhaps it's too soon to tell.

@finnw congrats at hitting 1k btw :)

Shog9

@Jivings It's doing quite well for its first week. I've nothing to be worried about yet.

Jivings

Great :)

finnw

Thanks

I'm used to SO. It's strange clicking the "tools" tab and seeing no flags :-)

Jivings

I'm quite surprised tbh, considering how few people actually have RPi's

finnw

It's tempting to create a poll question on our meta, asking who has one and who does not :-)

Jivings

22:16

Haha

I've downloaded so many packages I really don't want in order to answer questions for those without them.

Doing the opencv one now.

finnw

It's impressive that @AlexChamberlain has achieved such a high rep without having one

Jivings

Yeah

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