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04:15
Here is a link to the suggested edit: math.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/1773466
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Q: Finding an arbitrary pair of sets $U,V$ that is a separation of $A \in X$ and will satisfy $U \cap V \cap (X - A) \neq \emptyset$

Bob McdonaldSay I have some topology $\mathcal{T}$ on $X = \lbrace a,b,c \rbrace$ and a disconnected subset $A \subset X$. Can it be true that any arbitrary pair of sets - say $U$ and $V$ - that is a separation of $A \in X$ will satisfy $U \cap V \cap (X - A) \neq \emptyset$ ? I have the definition of separa...

BTW you can used [tag:examples-counterexamples] or [meta-tag:support] both in the posts and in chat. (The advantage being that it is visually distinguished as a tag and that one gets a link.)
 
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07:26
Are questions about tag creation welcome here?
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08:15
@MichaelAlbanese They would certainly fall under the intended topic of this room. (For example, there were some such suggestions in this room or in MO editors' lounge.)
At the same time, one should keep in mind that this room is only visited by a few users.
So it is possible that you won't get much feedback here.
But probably it might be useful to discuss things here to get some initial feedback (if somebody responds). And then later take things on meta.
08:36
OK, thanks for the info.
There is already for groups which are not isomorphic to a proper quotient of themselves. I was wondering if it is worth creating a tag for co-hopfian groups which are groups which are not isomorphic to a proper subgroup of themselves.
While the definitions are very similar, as are the names, the two types of groups are very different.
Should a new tag be created for questions about co-hopfian groups, or should question about co-hopfian groups use the pre-existing hopfian-groups tag?
08:58
In mathematics, a Hopfian group is a group G for which every epimorphism G → Gis an isomorphism. Equivalently, a group is Hopfian if and only if it is not isomorphic to any of its proper quotients. A group G is co-Hopfian if every monomorphism G → Gis an isomorphism. Equivalently, G is not isomorphic to any of its proper subgroups. == Examples of Hopfian groups == Every finite group, by an elementary counting argument. More generally, every polycyclic-by-finite group. Any finitely-generated free group. The group Q of rationals. Any finitely generated residually finite group. Any torsion-free...
In the mathematical subject of group theory, a co-Hopfian group is a group that is not isomorphic to any of its proper subgroups. The notion is dual to that of a Hopfian group, named after Heinz Hopf. == Formal definition == A group G is called co-Hopfian if whenever φ : G → G {\displaystyle \varphi :G\to G} is an injective group homomorphism then φ {\displaystyle \varphi } is surjective, that is φ ( G ) = G...
09:09
If two topics are similar enough, then an option could also be to create two tags and then make a synonym. For example, has and among the synonyms.
But this doesn't seem to be case there.
@MichaelAlbanese This is not a topic I am familiar with - so I am not able to judge whether there are some similarities or not - but I'll take your word for it.
If the situation is that the topics are rather different (despite having a similar name), my personal opinion would be that a separate tag would be better.
You might wait and see whether somebody else responds here.
But even if nobody responds here in chat, the two reasonable options are:
A. Simply to go ahead and create the tag. (And wait a bit to see whether somebody objects to the new tag - in chat, in comments or on meta.)
B. To suggest the new tag on meta first - and see what response the suggestion gets. (My impression is that not many people are familiar with this topic - so I am not sure whether it could get much feedback on meta. Of course, I might be wrong.)
Looking at Wikipedia, I see that there are also hopfian and cohopfian modules, hopfian and cohopfian rings: Hopfian object
So another natural question is whether cohopfian modules/rings are close enough to to be under the same tag. (Maybe it would be called ?)
Or whether it is better to reserve a separate tag only for co-Hopfian groups.
But this is a question that is best answered by somebody who knows enough about these topics. (And even if a tag called is created now and later somebody suggests to include also rings and modules under the same tag - that is something that can be dealt with later.)
 
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10:51
Maybe I should say that it is nice that there are people who try to ask (somewhere - in chat, on meta, ...) before creating a tag. There is certainly a lot of users who simply create tag - without considering whether it is a useful tag, whether such tag has already been removed before, etc.
 
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13:28
I have decided to create the co-hopfian tag. Is my impression correct that capital letters are not to be used in tags?
13:42
A new tag was created. (See above.) There is also a tag-excerpt.
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Q: Can a free product of groups be co-Hopfian?

Michael AlbaneseA group $G$ is called co-Hopfian if it is not isomorphic to a proper subgroup of itself; equivalently, every injective group homomorphism $\varphi : G \to G$ is surjective and hence an isomorphism. Examples of co-Hopfian groups include finite groups, $\mathbb{Q}$, $\mathbb{Q}/\mathbb{Z}$, and fun...

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Q: Hopfian and co-Hopfian groups

Diego HavezLet $G$ be a group. We say that $G$ is a Hopfian(Co-Hopfian) group, if every epimorphism(monomorphism) of $G$ if a monomorphism(epimorphism). Can someone give me some applications of Hopfian and co-Hopfian groups in geometry...?

I don't think that the software allows capital letters in tagnames. But I did not find this being clearly documented anywhere.
14:04
I think it would make sense to change hopfian-groups to hopfian to be consistent with co-hopfian. Alternatively, co-hopfian could be made co-hopfian-groups. Not sure which of the two would be preferred. Regardless, how can I suggest such a change?
@MichaelAlbanese I would guess that making a post here would be the most standard way: Tag management 2022.
But since moderators can do such things without any need to involve regular users, and @XanderHenderson is here, we might ask for his opinion.
If the mods consider such change uncontroversial, maybe they will simply rename the tag - without the need to discuss that on meta first.
@MartinSleziak @MichaelAlbanese I think that is something which could be brought up in the tagging thread. While this seems like a good idea, it is way outside my area of mathematical expertise, and I would like to see some community input about whether these tags should (or should not) include the word "groups".
Thanks for the response! I see that you're dealing with SE-related things from the early morning. :-)
14:47
@MartinSleziak Not that early. I was up at 4:30 this morning (as I am most mornings). I got the dishes done, had two cups of coffee, did some laundry, prepared some notes for my 8:30am class, graded some exams, and then checked in here. :D
It just so happens that you pinged me within 30 seconds of my getting online.
(And then my mother called.)
Ok, so that was luck of timing.
Getting up before 5 o'clock sounds rather impressive. (I suppose you'd have to go to sleep relatively soon if you get up this early.)
Yeah, I am usually in bed before 9. I was up until almost 9:30 last night!
Thursdays are rough, though, as I have to teach a class until 9pm.
Stupid Thursdays.
On the bright side, I can teach from home, so I don't have to drive home after that (which is extra good, because there are a lot of elk between my home and office, and they like to run into cars).
Oh, we don't have classes that late. The latest a class here ends is shortly before 8 pm. (Basically the classes at our faculty are from 8 am until 8 pm - with some rare exceptions.)
14:53
Yeah, community colleges tend to have later classes, as we serve a community which may have to work during the day. So we have classes which run from 6pm to 8:45pm.
I hate teaching those, but we also don't have any classes on Friday, so I can try to sleep in on Friday mornings (I am rarely successful, but I can try).
Ok, I should get back to work.
Thanks for responding to the tag-related issue - and also for the short chat. (Hopefully you'll inspire me a bit to improve my daily routine a bit.)
Heh. Though I am not sure that my lifestyle is an "improvement". It probably isn't entirely healthy. :/
 
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The above queries return no results now - but the recent posts should appear there after the next update of the database.
The tag has both a tag-excerpt and a tag-wiki.
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Q: Does $G\cong G/H$ imply that $H$ is trivial?

KlausLet $G$ be any group such that $$G\cong G/H$$ where $H$ is a normal subgroup of $G$. If $G$ is finite, then $H$ is the trivial subgroup $\{e\}$. Does the result still hold when $G$ is infinite ? In what kind of group could I search for a counterexample ?

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Q: An example of a residually finite group which is not Hopf

jemimatrying to think of any residually finite group which is not Hopf. Any help?

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Q: The Hopfian property for groups

Chris LearyLet $G$ be a group, which for my purposes would be abelian. To say that $G$ has the Hopf property is to say that every epimorphism of $G$ is an automorphism. Does anyone happen to recall the context in which Hopf first used this concept, and a reference for this?

16:24
@MartinSleziak @MichaelAlbanese Based on the tag wiki for , it looks like the objects being studied are more general than groups. So it seems reasonable to me to remove the -groups from the tag. But, again, I would like to see some input from the community on meta, just to check my understanding (I'm an analyst; category theory is DUMB! :P )
 
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21:46
@XanderHenderson @MartinSleziak Thanks for your feedback. I have proposed the name change in the tag management thread, see here.
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A: Tag management 2022

Michael AlbaneseProposal: Rename hopfian-groups to hopfian. I recently created co-hopfian for questions about co-hopfian objects in any category. I could have created co-hopfian-groups which would be consistent with the pre-existing hopfian-groups, but then questions about co-hopfian rings, modules, etc. would b...


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