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04:01
@amWhy gotta thank you personally for all the help you've given me!
@DanZimm My pleasure! It's always nice to work with serious, thinking students!
@amWhy Ahh. I always think well on a full stomach.
@JayeshBadwaik Well I sort of agree...I think best on a "satisfied" stomach, but tend to feel sleepy, sluggish, and distracted when "full"...
@DanZimm I see you're from Chicago? I'm about 20 miles west of Milwaukee.
@amWhy indeed I currently go to Loyola University Chicago
its a small world!
@Ethan I did a remove!!
@DanZimm Nice University!
04:07
@amWhy well their math program frustrates me a little bit sometimes, there isnt really a "set theory" class or a "topology" class or certain topics I would definitely want to take classes on
but otherwise yes a great uni, currently studying with an awesome professor
@Ethan where do you go?
@DanZimm That happens at lots of universities. I did a lot of independent studies as an undergrad, before transferring. The nice thing about smaller Universities, for undergrads, is you get taught, early on, from REAL profs, and some of my best friends are former profs of mine.
@amWhy yea it's pretty awesome, I'm excited for the coming few semesters, hopefully I'll get into graduate school too!
@DanZimm Awesome. How long before you graduate?
04:11
@Ethan I saw that! small world! my high school didn't have a number theory course or anything so I wouldn't expect anything more from high school tbh
@amWhy 3 more semesters
lol I know I was joking
oh heh im silly sometimes xD
danzimm, when did you graduate from hs?
@Ethan in reality december of 2011 but im technically class of 2012
$$\frac{1}{x-1}=\frac{1}{x+1}+\frac{2}{x^2-1}=\frac{1}{x+1}+2(\frac{1}{x^2+1}+\frac{2}{x^4-1})=\frac{1}{x+1}+\frac{2}{x^2+1}+\frac{4}{x^4-1}=\frac{1}{x+1}+\frac{2}{x^2+1}+4(\frac{1}{x^4+1}+\frac{2}{x^8-1})=\frac{1}{x+1}+\frac{2}{x^2+1}+\frac{4}{x^4+1}+\frac{8}{x^8-1}=\frac{1}{x+1}+\frac{2}{x^2+1}+\frac{4}{x^4+1}+\frac{8}{x^8+1}....$$

$$\frac{1}{x-1}=\sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{2^n}{x^{2^n}+1}$$
$$q=\sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{(-1)^nq^{2^n}}{(1-q)(1-q^2)(1-q^4)(1-q^8)....(1-q^{2^n})}$$
$$\int_{0}^1\frac{e^x-1}{x}\ dx=\sum_{n=0}^\infty\frac{1}{2\binom{n+2}{2}}\frac{1}{n!}(0!+1!+2!+3!+...+n!)$$
@DanZimm What school are you going to now?
04:24
@Ethan LUC (luc.edu)
what were your grades like in hs
uh in math I easily got A's but I think I got a C+ in a history class once
otherwise generally A's
What were your 11th and 12th final semester grades
I never finished 12th grade technically (I graduated a semester early) and in 11th grade I'm not sure
prob something like a 3.5
why do you ask?
You are studying primarily math?
04:29
split between math and physics
but undergrad physics isnt rigorous at all some I've fallen mostly to math
rigorous is the wrong word
difficult\
There is alot of stuff out there
@DanZimm when did you start studying math?
@Ethan like independently? last semester, after my first analysis course I fell in love with math (again)
yes
independently
yea midway through last semester
(hence why I appeared on here as if out of nowhere)
Did you have any idea what you wanted to do in high school?
04:33
yea I wanted to do physics, theoretical physics
lol
mathematical physics, since I was good at math and I liked physics - unfortunately I was pretty ignorant and didn't really know /physics/ or /math/
why do you ask all this?
Curiosity lol
What colleges did you apply to?
just LUC
Why?
04:35
wanted to gtfo of highschool so I went with the place I knew would accept me in the spring
@DanZimm track back 2 or 3 years, what did you do on an average day in your life
program about 10-12 hours out of the day
Program what?
iOS apps and mac stuff and general unix things
Why?
04:37
when i was young nothing challenged me and that did so I took the challenge
starting to get philosophical :P
@DanZimm Why bother studying, are you working towards somthing?
@Ethan ill answer the first question too ;)
but I study because I enjoy the challenge
math is interesting, some day I hope to publish something worth while to help someone else out with proving something /really/ worth while
@skullpatrol hello
Is that what makes you happy?
04:40
@DanZimm hello
for the most part thinking makes me happy - everything seems trivial besides math
thinking and teaching
DanZimm, are you religous?
I wouldn't care
@Ethan ill answer once you tell me what you removed :P
04:42
@DanZimm I said "Me neither"
xD yea I'm not particularly religious no
lol
@DanZimm Is that all that makes you happy?
well
i like teaching and helping people
for the most part thats where fulfillment lies for me
@DanZimm What do you on average nowa days
math
lol
math and program some for money
04:44
I mean can you run through your average day?
well
its changed from a week ago (I was in school then) and its about to change again (since ill be going to school again)
so I'm not sure what an average day would be
pick a segment of the present and ill explain :D
@DanZimm do you listen to any music?
yea
house and rock for the most part
more so classic rock
What kind, can I here some of it?
sure
have you heard of deadmau5?
04:47
Yes
who hasn't
I don't like it that much
rob dougan is good
@Ethan well thats mostly who I listen to nowadays
and the name of that video made me chuckle
@WilliamStagner I think I just figured out the proof, as long as $A$ is nonempty at least
the empty set hint was really useful
@Ethan I like this 0.0
THIS IS THE SONG FROM THE MATRIX
btw the matrix is my favorite movie
Yes, thats how some of his stuff first got popularized
These guys are good too, youtube.com/watch?v=r-r1m4akxak
listening now
@Ethan how about you? still in high school>
?
04:54
@DanZimm Yes, I am in 11th grade atm
@DanZimm Have you ever been to a concert?
@Ethan are you bored as hell there? you seem incredibly intelligent
@Ethan yep
@DanZimm where?
Hollywood undead was my most recent one
In Milwaukee
yea thatd be sweet
you live in the middle of no where i presume?
@DanZimm Sorta
@DanZimm Have you ever been in a relationship?
O.o
currently in one
:P
04:57
Id say I have social skills, but I don't really use them unless I am trying to get homework or somthing from some one else
@Ethan I'm sure you do - it takes time to find them (at least in my experience)
I don't really see the point of forming any friendships at the moment, I am usually busy and most other kids don't share any interests with me, (aside from animalistic ones women,food, etc)
yea you will eventually for sure
@anon I assume that was sarcastic. The reason I made a comment before I deleted the post is that my comment is sent to the user if I delete the post soon after I make the comment. If they did not see any of the other comments, I wanted them to get at least a reason that their post was deleted.
@Ethan yea I agree and understand
04:59
yeah yeah, I know. just saiyan, thought it was funny.
@Ethan I meant eventually you will find people with similar interests
@DanZimm Yes
@Ethan so what math do you study nowadays?
@DanZimm number theory, algebra, and some logic
@Ethan I'm pretty jealous, I wasn't introduced to number theory until last semester, never have formally learned logic and am taking my first formal course in algebra next semster
I know I can study on my own, but I just started doing so last semster and I'm studying more analysis atm
05:02
@DanZimm I have not really studied anything in a while, its nice just to take in everything you have learned every once and a while and screw around with those tools
I wish I started younger, in other words
yea
@DanZimm I don't normally do practice problems or exercises anyway lol
Unless I really think I need them
I make my own usually
try and think of the most abstract weird problem
Hi Everybody. :-)
thats why I tried to prove the reals were uncountable lol
completely silly but was fun
05:04
@DanZimm I usually try not to solve problems, I think its kind of brutish
@BabakS. whats up
Usually just messing around with the things you have and seeing one comes up is nice
@Ethan well what do you mean by problems?
I have a question about this one math.stackexchange.com/q/393942/8581
I usually like proving theorems and the such
05:04
@DanZimm Like I wouldn't sit down and say "I am going to solve problem x"
gotcha ok
yea, ok thats cool
Unless its an exercise problem or what have you
at least for me all the problems I do are proving theorems
Thats kind of broad statement though
not sure if you still consider that uninteresting, but IMO its pretty interesting
05:06
@DanZimm Let me delete my comments, I am bad with words
heh
np
@DanZimm I would like to think there is some special reason why I still study math, but I think given enough time if I studied any reasonably interesting academic discipline I would be in the same place I am now only studying something else
ok, why were you originally drawn to math then?
@DanZimm I can't really say exactly why, but I have a working idea, I think at first it was just because I wanted to impress my father or somthing
But after studying it a long while on my own, and forgetting about my father who I no longer really trust, I found my own reasons to keep on studying
I can relate to that
thats why I originally learned to program
05:12
I think that is where the majority of new generation specialties in disciplines come from, 'father like son' or what have you
I think its probably just human nature for children wanting to impress there care givers, like dogs killing birds for there owners
hrm thats an interesting idea
@DanZimm I started studying math when I was around 14-15 over summer break
damn I'm jealous :P
what did you study at first?
euclidean geometry
or somthing like that
@DanZimm I was in a pre algebra class in 9th grade
Which was when I started studying, I have only been at it for about 2 years
Before that I pretty much just listened to music and played video games all day
I am still geting $xbox 360$ membership pings in my email, I guess my dad is still paying for it lol
I didn't really have any friends through middle school that is through the years $11-14$
And I spent most of my life between $9-10$ in a boarding school in new mexico
They call it a "child development center"
Ass holes
I had a bunch of friends when I was around $5-9$, and I can't remember anything past age $5$
@DanZimm Do you have a facebook or somthing, send me a request
I don't really use it, but its better then nothing lol
I guess
@Ethan yea I feel your pain, I had some rough times in my past
I don't have a facebook, got twitter?
sorry got distracted
05:24
@DanZimm ahh no lol
@Ethan check the other room
@DanZimm $$(a+b+c)^5+(a-b-c)^5-(a+b-c)^5-(a-b+c)^5=80abc(a^2+b^2+c^2)$$
Its a nice alteration of bountins identity
lol
lmao is that really true? thats awesome
ye, little things like this are what makes math nice for me
Q series identitys etc
ya i understand that
05:27
That sort of thing is very nice
05:52
oh
@DanZimm other chat for a sec
oop wrong room xD
06:34
Now we have $(removed)^2$ :D
mh i don't know whether i should use a wlog or not
are there curves on manifolds which are locally straight lines that are NOT geodesics?
what is a locally straight line on a manifold?
06:59
i would say those with no curvature but that seems strange on a manifold
and what definition of geodesics do you use? is ith the local or the global definition ?
@skullpatrol indeed ;D
where do you live that youre still awake? lol
you mean already awake :D
07:21
xD
I suppose you're european?
jealous
my professor is from Romania and tells stories about how he learned analysis in 11th grade
I wish I learned analysis in 11th grade
Well it depends a lot on the teachers anyway
what do you mena?
mean*
(derp)
07:33
(derped)
aren't manifolds without any curvature kind of pathologic ?
im pretty convinced the american education system is absolutely fucked
Hy I have only 23 hours to give a 50 rep bounty, who want it?
http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/384622/theory-of-structures-with-infinite-partial-orders-langle-h-sqsubset-i
@DanZimm
I have no idea about that stuff
@DominicMichaelis
@anon
07:36
@MphLee if I understood what that meant I would surely help
unfortunately i dont
ok no problem
I am not an order theorist, but I am on a roll today, so I'll look at the question.
I just because i don't want to waste tyhe bounty
ok thanks
np
@anon you must be butta
butta?
07:38
If is a good answer Ill accept it too, but the bounty is sure @anon
butter
as in butter on a roll
has great jokes
@GustavoBandeira ohai
Hello!
Just woke up.
Hi gustavo, I read yhe pdf tha you sent me
04:38am here.
@MphLee What did you think?
Very interesting point of view.
07:40
Guys, when you studied null sequences, did you struggle a lot to understand?
@MphLee So essentially your question is "Is there study of structured collections of partial orders on a given set?", right?
Combinatorics is the perrfect exmple of this distintion..
@anon
@MphLee Mind if I try to improve the grammar in your question?
sorry, don't understand what you said, other than you're purring like a cat
@GustavoBandeira intuitively yes, otherwise it seems easy to find the basis for it and the such
intuitively i still have no idea what it represents
or anything in linear algebra that is (except for the basis part)
07:42
null sequences as in sequences that tend to zero?
oop
i thought that said null space
i guess being up for 24 hours does that to ya
so, kernels of linear transformations of vector spaces?
they are fun
@anon yes, like for example rings, field are the study of structures with 2 binary operation, I'm looking for the study of structures with an infinite number of (partial or)order realtions
whats a partial order
I am not aware of anything that focuses on such objects.
07:43
gunna google
technically couldnt $\mathbb{R}$ be a set with an infinite number of partial orders?
may be completely off case
any infinite set admits an infinite number of partial orders
@anon What you mean? Aren't null sequences sequences that converge to zero?
Is there other meaning for it?
(sorry for the delay, I'm making coffee)
@GustavoBandeira for example $\{\frac{1}{n}\}$ ?
not really
07:46
@gustavo yeah a null sequence could be a sequence consisting only of 0
«In quantum mechanics, the Riemann sphere is known as the Bloch sphere [...]» quoth Wikipedia
which would make things pretty easy :D
quatum physicists should be banned from naming things
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@anon a non usefull structure of this kind is the set of complex numbers ordered by the order relations of (z >_t w) only id Re(z)>Re(x) and Im(z)= Im(w)=t
@Mariano you are so totally right
I wish i could give it more stars
@MphLee doesn't that depend on what you consider "useful" to be? ;P
yes, I am familiar with partial orders
I don't know whether i told you the story already our prof wrote $\delta_{ij} = i \cdot |\varphi\rangle \dots$ and said
yes it does...but , really I cant find a field where taking infinite order relations on a set is usefull
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez unfortunately I study physics as well as math and always seem to find how icky physics because of their lack of 'purity'
07:48
in fact if an infinite set has cardinal size $\kappa$ I think the number of well-orderings (a particularly nice type of partial order) is $\kappa^\kappa$.
@DanZimm
@anon that went over my head, i just learned what cardinality is yesterday lol
@MphLee yea?
Yea, that is why i asked xd
@MphLee oh yea, well it could be considered useful if the whole point is you want to understand the general gist of a set, no?
@DanZimm Purity is overrated
07:50
be carefull the $i$ on the left hand side is an index and on the right hand side it is the imaginary unit. So I just asked him why he doesn't change the notation. He answered "we could introduce a new symbol for the imaginary unit but i think that would be kind of strange"
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez so is absolute disgustingness
oh no, i must go cyaa
later
srsly
physics is just like
07:50
yea dan, the concept was usefull for me in a case
cyaa
"ya lets just ignore just about half the facts that math has provided for us and do whats easy"
@MphLee yea ill cya round
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez the prime instance: physicists say $1/0 = \infty$
@Mariano did you know that for every eigenspace there is exactly one basis, and this basis already has only one order of elements ?
@DanZimm Really?
at least in undergrad physics, ive never done grad level theoretical physics
ah, if you find that icky you are in for lots and lots of pain...
07:52
@DominicMichaelis Got it.
@DanZimm Which physicist do you have out with! :P
@GustavoBandeira from my classes thats what we say at least
@DominicMichaelis hm?
@anon You were studying p-adic numbers, isn't it? I remember you talking with old-john about it.
@JayeshBadwaik the ones that are trying to teach to people that dont understand calc
07:52
@GustavoBandeira yes
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez what do you mean? where?
you know shit's getting heavy when you need to take into account valuations of valuations
@DanZimm There's a civil engineer in Brazil that also says that $1/0=\infty$
$1/0=\infty$ is a very sensible thing
@anon In p-adic?
07:53
I've seen people differentialy a formula with respect to the dimension of a vector space, say
I dont even understand
@GustavoBandeira mmhmm
infinity isnt a number
well
you surely agree that 1/0 = infty does make sense
ya i think i can assert that
07:54
for example, in the context of analytic functions is makes perfect sense
and it is a standard convention when working with meromorphic functions, say
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez my instructor differentiated an element of a galois group wrt another half-jokingly yesterday. all of the math worked out perfectly - it was pretty mysterious.
doesnt know what an analytic function is so i must just be ignorant lol
I apologize for the rant
that is very imporant: never make fun of physicists, for they know stuff
:-)
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez But I guess some of these guys aren't talking about analytic functions.
@anon well, sometimes weird thing do make sense :-)
07:55
At least the one I know was talking about basic arithmetic.
@GustavoBandeira but it may well be the case that one can make things formal
even if not, it does make sense to operate with the equality 1/0 = infty in many contexts
itt is a useful heuristic
and, I'd say, a rather safe one
in that it will not lead to mistakes too often
@Mariano in Bra ket notation $x | \vec{x}, i\rangle$ stands for the $i$-th eigenvector to the degenerated eigenvalue $x$. (A degenerated Eigenvalue is an eigenvalue which eigenspace has dimension at least $2$) and it seems like that would identify that vector uniquely. On the other hand $|\vec{x},t\rangle$ can also be a time depend wave funktion ...
well, the bra-ket thing is a train crash
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@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez so 2 things, you're totally right there on the not making fun of physicists, as they know things, but then wouldnt it follow that $1 = 0 * \infty$ ?
but notice that those notations for eigenvalues is very very convenient
@DanZimm physicists and matheaticians know that you have to be careful
you mutiplied both sides of the equality by infty
that doees not work
07:58
erm i thought i multiplied by 0
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez thats one of the events I wish noone survived
none of this even makes sense, 0 is in the denominator, i dont understand
heh
Dirac inveented it, so the notation has a whole aura of depth
@DanZimm well, it doesn't matter
dirac said "aight heres whats up, we can in fact divide by zero" ?
07:59
as you gain maturity you will appreciate the usefulness of those little abusses
if this is true i cant wait to learn about it

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