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14:01
@Lord_Farin I still wanna know, I don't give up so easily
@Charlie Hahaha.
Futile.
@Lord_Farin }:)
I think I solved the first integral completely elementarily.
@Lord_Farin I can be a very annoying girl
@Charlie Hahaha.
Futile.
14:07
We shall see
@Charlie Indeed.
This is a dumb question, but is it usually easy to tell whether a normal vector on a manifold points in or out?
@WouterZeldenthuis Sometimes the manifold isn't even orientable, in which case the question is meaningless.
well then don't interpret my question so as to render it meaningless
assume the manifold is orientable
I have a big problem: May I put the whole proof of the Tamaroff's first problem in one line?
hmmm, let me check that.
14:17
@WouterZeldenthuis Well the orientation (given that it's orientable) is given locally, so you should only have to check in a suitable chart; this shouldn't be hard.
@robjohn, why did you delete m y answer math.stackexchange.com/questions/370259/…
@shobon "an adjunction in a groupoid 1234567"? that was flagged as not an answer, and it is not an answer without more explanation. There was an unanswered request for more detail. If you have more detail and you wish to edit it, I will undelete it.
there
I edit it
@shobon I have undeleted it.
thanks
if steve d flags it again just ignore him
14:29
That looks more like an answer :-)
I just thought people can type words into wikipedia search box themselves
@shobon the fact that you had to add 1234567 to the previous one to get it accepted was a good indication that it was a poor answer
no
there is a minimum number of letters
right, and it is rarely the case that a proper answer will be below that
and adding something random without even mentioning that it has been added as padding makes the answer terrible
its possible to ask questions that have short answers
14:31
@shobon Please make the answers here as self-contained as possible. We don't like link only or "see Wikipedia" answers. Links can go bad and why would people look here if all they wanted was what was on Wikipedia? They come here for more information, examples, etc.
@robjohn, ?
I didnt link to wikipedia
@shobon you did in the new version. The previous one had even less information
@shobon No, that was for future reference. You were essentially assuming someone would understand "see Wikipedia"
ok well im glad we had this discussion
and the 1234567 at the end of your answer was a bit bizarre.
14:36
I dont like how there's no notification when your posts are deleted
@shobon yes, that is a good example of a short answer where nothing else was needed
its under the word limit, they added ${}{}{}{}{}{}{}$ to make the system accept it
yes, they added something that did not make the answer look strange
One doubt: Is this site suitable for discussing puzzles, (puzzles of mathematical inclination)?.
For example : The hat problem.100 prisoners are lined up and asked what the color of hat behind?.
@boywholived if the puzzle has actual mathetical content then yes
if by "discussing" one means "asking questions about it"
14:46
What is the reason why the site supports only questions that are answerable?. Why not discussed?.
Hi! How to undelete question?
It was mistake. ((
The awful truth
@Charlie I can't understand your point.
@boywholived because the setup of the site is not well suited for discussion
@blue you can ask a moderator nicely :-)
14:52
the chat, however, is a very good place for discussion
@boywholived nevermind :)
JeffAtwood has developed discourse for the exact purpose of discussion.
@blue I have undeleted it.
@robjohn Thank you!
I can not undelete my question?
I like when someone asks "prove X" an you prove not X
15:08
Have to leave, bye all.
MJD
MJD
shobon: I enjoyed your answer to the recent question about a square whose digits add to 2011.
are you here to insult me
MJD
MJD
No, I was here to ask an unrelated question. Insulting you was a bonus.
flagged your comment
added you to ignore
MJD
MJD
Seriously, I did not intend to insult you.
Oh, then I guess you won't see my apology for unintentionally insulting you.
15:14
HELP!! Could please someone with a background in group theory read my answer in math.stackexchange.com/questions/319812 and in particular the comments. If I get him right, MartinBrandenburg is saying that that my argument is void. I just don't get it.
MJD
MJD
Shobon, I sincerely apologize for offending you with my comment. I meant it sincerely. I thought your argument was clever and straightforward, although it happened not to work for this particular problem.
for pointwise convergence...
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MJD
So when I came in and saw you, I thought I would compliment you. I did not think you would take it as a personal insult, since I was not speaking of you personally, but only of something that you wrote.
its saying FOR ALL \varepsilon >0
MJD
MJD
My question is: Is there a common term to describe a property of a group element which, whenever it holds for some element $g$ must also hold for all conjugates of $g$? For example, the property of being central is of this type.
15:18
@MJD Your apology could be interpreted as an insult!.
MJD
MJD
@boywholived HOW DARE YOU SPEAK TO ME THAT WAY.
Incidentally, since Shobon has since deleted his answer, I am going to say here what it is. The question was to show that there exists a perfect square whose digits sum to 2011. Shobon replied "There's not. Since 2+0+1+1=3 the number would be divisible by 3, but it's a square so it would be divisible by 9, but then its digit sum would be too."
Spot the subtle flaw :)
wowowow
calm downnnn people
unless youre role playing or something.
:p
lets keep it mathematical people.
MJD
MJD
@MJD was supposed to be a joke.
Anyway, what about properties of group elements that always hold for conjugates?
have noooo clue !
whats the difference between pointwise and uniform convergence in terms of the epsilon
@MJD I must agree you are very cleaver!. You continue your insults!. May I ask you if shobon had killed you the last time you was on earth? :-)
MJD
MJD
15:26
extremity: for uniform convergence, you need to find a single epsilon that works for every point. For pointwise convergence, each point can have a different epsilon.
thanks @MJD !!!!!
MJD
MJD
@boywholived If you are serious that my apology could reasonably be interpreted as an insult, I would be grateful for an explanation. I thought you were joking.
anybody know how to do a matrix in google dopcs?
@MJD . You are very clever that nobody (except may be me) can identify that.
and, what do you guys use for keeping your eqs?
15:31
@MJD say i have a sequence of function given by f_n(x)=arctan(nx). and say that x is in [0,\infty), can you tell me (if you have the time) why its not uniformly continuous?
MJD
MJD
Because as $n$ increases, the arctan function gets increasingly steep in the vicinity of 0.
yeh, it becomes the line \pi/2.
But in terms of epsilons.
how would you explain it.
MJD
MJD
So if someone gives you a delta, and you think you have an epsilon to show that arctan nx is continuous for all n, then someone can take a very large n so that arctan is extremely steep near 0, so steep that your epsilon is not small enough to bound arctan nx within delta.
I see...because the distance becomes 0....
since the limit joins with arctan...
hmmm i get it . thank you !
MJD
MJD
Sure.
15:39
@MJD. Actually I was joking. Sorry if it hurt you, and don't take it seriously. Ok?.
MJD
MJD
Nope, was not hurt or offended. I thought it was funny.
@MJD Ok. :). Byee. What's the time in your country? morning or evening?.
MJD
MJD
11:41 GMT-0400
Well then, have a good evening bye.
@MJD Is zero an identity?
MJD
MJD
15:43
What?
MJD
MJD
Zero is an identity for some operations but not for others.
Here says that 1 is a multiplicative identity: $1 \cdot x=x$ for all $x$.
MJD
MJD
1 is the unique identity for multiplication. 0 is not an identity for multiplication.
$0\cdot x=0$, for all $x$.
15:45
Under the addition operation 0 is the identity element.
Under the multiplication operation, 1 is the identity element,
They seem to have the same behavior.
MJD
MJD
No, $1\cdot x = x$ for all $x$.
$0\cdot x = 0$ for all $x$.
Spot the subtle difference.
Under matrix multiplication, the identity element is the identity matrix
I'm with the concept of tautological argument in mind.
15:47
@MJD Where?
MJD
MJD
One equation has $x$ on the right-hand side. The other equation has $0$ on the right-hand side.
Oh! Got it.
is he playing with you :p .
I thought that you said that what I said (both about 1 and 0) differed of what you said.
Well, but they're both tautological arguments, right?
i think he is xD
MJD
MJD
15:49
You said "They seem to have the same behavior". I pointed out that they do not.
@eXtremiity I guess not.
gustavito
What I meant with same behavior is the tautological argument.
gustaviiittto
does your mother call you that?
Nope, she call me Guga.
I'm not spanish.
15:50
guga ! hahahah
oh? what are you
can i guess
german?
actually, i give up, what are you?
Brazilian.
oooohh !
bbrrazzziil
God trolled me - he made me born in Brazil.
3
how? being brazilian is so cool !
do you play futbol ?
Not really
Nope.
15:52
youre a math brazilian person
see, my parents are both from bolivia
but i live in australia
God also trolled your parents. :P
hahahaha ! how so ?
he probably did. that cheeky god.
How's life on Australia?
15:55
great :) !!
winters settling in at the moment.
so its really cold.
well, getting there.
temperature doesnt drop to low though. some countries would consider our winter to be their summer.
hows brazil?
@eXtremiity How do you explain this:
so innacurate
MJD
MJD
That picture omits Mexico.
its amazing how people perceive other countries.
funny though :D !
15:58
ummmm.....i dont think anything has tried to kill me...
in terms of animals.
@Lord_Farin I bet that you solved $P=NP$ and Riemann Hypothesis mentally while you formulated his answer, right?
closest thing to death in analysis :D
is*
@blue not until you can see deleted posts.
@eXtremiity Why?
tough :(.
15:59
@MJD Mexico: Tacos, buritos.
@eXtremiity What book are you using?
introductory real analysis by a.n. kolmorgorov.
but like, my lecturer just goes through the definitions and theorems (in his own written notes)
proves them, and then moves on.
probably one of the worst ways to teach this course.
@eXtremiity Look.
I answered this some days ago.
while this will most definitely help me.
i only have 13 weeks to do this course.
including higher algebra, international finance and corporate applied finance. my life is so hectic :(.
i have to invest my time wisely. i cant go around looking at different books to get a better perspective (Even though id love to).
god trolled ME.
@eXtremiity Just try to look the analysis book I mentioned.
ugh ! id love to get my hands on this !
16:04
@eXtremiity You could downl...ugh...coff coff banana.
yeh, downl - i mean a banana would be nice about now
Do the australian bananas also try to kill you?
theyre highly dangerous actually.
you dont want to go near the darker bananas
theyve been raised and nurtured in the streets and mean serious trouble.
oh no, no the bananas in pjamas. there's a bountry on their heads.
i think i wont sleep tonight
so much study to do.
sigh
There's a part in the book's preface.
Changes in the school curriculum over the last few decades have resulted in many students finding Analysis very difficult. The author believes that Analysis nowadays has an unjustified reputation for being hard, caused by the traditional university approach of providing students with a highly polished exposition in lectures and associated textbooks that make it impossible for the average learner to grasp the core ideas.
i highly agree ! my lecturer makes me mad. i actually LOVE topology. its so god damn abstract yet interesting how the ideas are formulated.
yeh we go through them SO FAST.
i have no time to exercise or play around with them.
What math course are you taking?
Money biased?
You mentioned finance.
im doing a double major in Finance and Pure mathematics.
finance is part of my commerce degree, maths is part of my advanced science degree.
double degree basically.
not sure how it works over there.
5 years.
whats C^1 (R)?
oh wait, its coming back to me.....continuous function......differentiable once....with real coeffecients?
16:14
@eXtremiity Math with finance, your song $\rightarrow$ youtu.be/8jlo6H8tNeU
i hope so !
help me out with what i said before @guga
Don't forget your friendsin Brazil!
I dunno.
I'm still in teh beginning of a analysis course.
oh really ! cool ! how old are you?
im 20 turning 21.
16:16
Trying to look older?
by stating that im turning 21? mmmm, no, that was not the intention. id preferably like to stay young forever.
turning 20 was disappointing .
:P
There's a little crysis some time after 20 yo.
@eXtremiity Be careful, one comment in the video says:
Warning: Money may result in excessive bitches!
that is a risk i am willing to take.
:p
|f(t)|
is that the distance from the x-axis?
I guess so.
The notation is similar to the notation on vectors.
mmmhm
so whatre you doing at uni?
or college, or school,
16:28
The notation is similar to this.
ahhh ! thanks .
I guess $| \overrightarrow{A} |$ is the length of the vector.
@eXtremiity I'm in uni.
I'm doing a math major.
@GustavoBandeira hoje é dia de são Jorge
Hmmm, A set of elements indexed by a directed set.
Indexed is just a way or arbitrarily choosing something, right?
16:31
@eXtremiity Look.
ahhh yes, the length of the vector.
makes sense.
have you done indexed and directed set "stuff" in uni yet?
From the notation you employed, I guess you can think about the distance from the origin to $f(t)$
Nope.
oooo i see....
@GustavoBandeira sim
@Charlie O que é que vai ter?
@eXtremiity Don't be afraid of asking in the main.
16:36
@eXtremiity if you don't sleep you won't learn
asking in the main? as in, on the board
i have 2 exams and one assignment due ......in a few hours - its 230am in the morning.
i wasnt irresponsible with my time, but im in probably one of the worst weeks of uni at the moment
"in the middle"
@Charlie It seems his teacher is fucking his life using an outdated book.
god and lecturer trolled me.
YEH
BOOK IS SO OLD
16:37
@eXtremiity interesting
I have it here.
@eXtremiity The book can be interesting if you read something lighter before.
i definitely hate how this course has been taught.
i love the course ...but.....so much abstract content. so little time
@eXtremiity Do not expect for your lecturer give you the best book.
Search for it yourself.
OH WELL. have to continue working. and the reason im asking questions here is because i need quick responses.
and theyre little things too.
16:39
im trying to visualise what a "net" is right now....
set of elements in X that are indexed by a directed set.
I'll go out to lunch. bbl.
cya !
,guga
@eXtremiity I'm imagining you speaking with australian accent
oh i hate it !
probably one of the worst accents to ever have.
but i have an accent of my own. since i talk a little spanish
you can think of it as a hybrid between aussie and something of my own =/
I think it's lovely
16:41
no way. we dont pronounce words like they should be.
can't -> KANNNTTT
It's so nice
its different.
@eXtremiity it is funny, I like to listen
what nationality are you?
@eXtremiity same as gustavo
16:46
brazzziiiilll
he says that he was trolled by god and born in brazil
i think brazil is beautiful.
well, it HAS amazingly beautiful areas.
@eXtremiity yes yes, like australia
mmmm, australia is nice in terms of wildlife.
but the city is nothing special.
if you want to embrace in something unique of australia, best to check out the national parks.
city is dull.
we have some nice beaches, but they dont compare to brazils.
my mothers told me this (ive never been).
@eXtremiity where I live is very urban
@Charlie I forget, are you in Rio?
@Arkamis nope
16:58
@Charlie Ah. I was wondering if it was getting crazy down there yet with the Olympics coming in a few years
Somewhere nicer than rio
Is Senna still a beloved character to the younger generation of Brazilians?

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