Mathematics - 2013-03-01 (page 3 of 4)

user58512

21:02

bored :(

mick

I dont wanna start a fight or flamewar , but I quote the great tommy1729 :
" Teachers tell about I learned from them , but I did not even attend all lectures. I just took exams. Same applies to chess , I did not get lessons or read many books yet I play good. I can give other examples about me and also for other persons. I know this sounds arrogant , but I find it more offensive of people trying to get credit they do not deserve. What is truth ? truth is that what goes away if you stop believing in it. I believe in myself , and if you stop believing in those who claimed to have tought me al…

Charlie

Well, you guys don't know the true meaning of being a teacher

you never had a good one

too bad

mick

@Charlie Did you ?

Charlie

@mick yes, to start with my mom

mick

@Charlie What did she teach you ?

I hope I did not upset you with my quote @Charlie

Charlie

21:07

@mick everything, she teachs me how to teach, she's a great teacher, literally

@mick not at all

mick

I know students who are better teachers than teachers.

@Charlie

Charlie

@mick of course

To teach is a great art

which not even everyone is good at

mick

@Charlie tommy1729 could do math before he could speak , he rediscovered galois theory and advanced modular aritmetic.

Charlie

Congrats for him

mick

And at the time he considered himself to " know nothing yet ".
So far the humble part , BUT he also assumed he could prove the RH CONSIDERING how much great math has been done by others and once they teach him that ...
But those things were overrated , by overrated people ; overrated because they take too much credit for their students.

same applies to sports , the * trainer * is responsible for the improved succes. which is hardly the case.

why did my font change ?

@Charlie

Charlie

21:15

ok

mick

Im not arguing against teaching for all clarity.
Im saying that not every teacher has a teacher.

@Charlie

Charlie

ok ok

mick

@Charlie im not upset despite my rants :)

Charlie

fiiine

Ethan

what is going on

mick

21:18

@Ethan im ranting :)

Ethan

about what

user58512

hi @Ethan

mick

@user58512 Im not allowed to like (standard) ordinals.

user58512

@mick, what??

mick

@user58512 my master forbids it

user58512

21:20

weird

why

?

Ethan

your master?

kloll

Carpediem

What is the limit of \frac{e^{rt}}{r+1}+\lambda e^{-t} as r tends to -1 ?

mick

ZFC is not accepted , in particular the C , the ordinals and the vitaly set ...@Ethan
What you mean by slave ? are you a slave in school ?

user58512

lol @mick

that's hardcore

Peter Tamaroff

@Carpediem $$\frac{e^{rt}}{r+1}+\lambda e^{-t} $$

Carpediem

21:22

@PeterTamaroff sorry forgot..

mick

@user58512 what ?

Ethan

two sided limit doesn't exist

mick

@user58512 thunderdome ?? :p

Peter Tamaroff

As $r\to -1$ we have $e^{rt}\to e^{-t}$ while the bottom $\to 0$

mick

tommy1729 is almost a constructivist

Ethan

21:24

whose tommy1729

mick

my 'master'

user58512

wait your teacher is tommy1729?

Ethan

what?

user58512

from tetration forum.............

mick

@user58512 yes

user58512

21:25

hmmmm

@mick, I hope he doesn't turn you towards tetration

Ethan

im soooooo bored

mick

@user58512 why not ?

user58512

@Ethan, can you even read me??

@mick, because I don't believe in tetration :D

mick

@Ethan solve the Riemann Hypothese :)

user58512

> sites.google.com/site/tommy1729/prime-twins-unbounded

> I have found a proof of the infinitude of prime twins.

mick

21:27

@user58512 define that mathematically ( almost )

user58512

> Brun's constant is not only irrational but even transcendental.

:/

are you sure this guy isn't mad......

Ethan

lol stop talking about this, stuff you guys sound like cranks

tommy is a crank

Dominic Michaelis

sound like a crackpot to me

Ethan

crack pot

mick

@user58512 he is controversial.

Ethan

21:28

If you see tommy, ask if I can have some of his crack

mick

He is not on drugs

Ethan

where are the suposed proofs?

user58512

@mick, I think ordinals are important for the collatz problem

mick

he should remove that page

that all

user58512

yes I agree lol

sites.google.com/site/tommy1729/andrica-proved

> i understand the primes better than anyone now. - tommy1729

Ethan

21:31

Arrogance

user58512

@mick, I thought he was a chess friend - you only know this guy online?

Carpediem

@PeterTamaroff So it's $$(\lambda +t)e^{-t}$$

mick

Ok I admit it looks silly , but think of it like this
Many ppl have claimed a proof for RH and those included famous mathematicians.
it looks cranky although these ppl are not !

user58512

hehe

Ethan

@mick Then where is the proof?

mick

21:31

@user58512 No he plays chess and not like a crank

user58512

ok

I can't wait until I finish my course so I can get back to playing chess

Ethan

@mick you seem to be avoiding my question, if your so sure hes proved all these famous unsolved conjectures, why can't you produce his proofs

mick

he should remove the site because , well it basically contains arrogant talk and not much math. however it does contain a way to do tetration !

so even in his cranky page , he has some math

Ethan

@mick where are the proofs?

Dominic Michaelis

there is no LaTeX i don't expect much from it

mick

21:34

@Ethan he admitted the proof contains a mistake so there is none. which is why he should remove it. Maybe he forgot about it.

@DominicMichaelis He does not like LaTeX , dont be fooled by that.

Ethan

@mick I am only 17, and I can say he very much appears to be a crank

mick

he knows alot about tetration for instance.

user58512

tetration is made up

mick

all math is made up !

user58512

I know but, I think tetration is not real

mick

21:36

its complex :)

Ethan

mick is a troll lol

hes trolling us

mick

trolling ?

Ethan

yes

user58512

@Ethan, I'll show you what happens when I try to do my own math

@Ethan,, math.stackexchange.com/a/317749/58512

@Ethan, for the second part I came up with some ridiculous BS that doesn't help at all... then look at Brian M Scotts second part... it's totally easy to solve

Ethan

yes, because he probably has studied the kind of thing before

mick

21:39

tommy1729 is weird. He is a fan of bobby fisher and I find he resembles him , he is weird but not stupid !

Ethan

@mick will you stop talking about that crank

mick

and bobby fisher is pretty weird

user58512

@mick, he definitely knows stuff but anyone who studies tetration is a little lost

imo

I heard bobby fisher got banned from america for his remarks

mick

@user58512 now you offended me

@Ethan he is DEAD !! lol

he is ALIVE !! lol @Ethan :)

user58512

@mick, really? I have been saying this a lot - what's wthe problem

Charlie

21:41

@peter are you there?

mick

Look guys , that page is the worst reference of him ... take that in mind

Compare to Andrew Wiles trying to prove RH and making a noob mistake on page 1

user58512

hehe

Carpediem

:O

user58512

from the documentary I heard Wiles make a huge mistake in his first proof of Fermat's last theorem

Charlie

yes

mick

21:43

@user58512 Yes that is true. and Tommy was one of the people to point it out.

user58512

wtf

Ethan

I would stop talking about this @mick, less you want to be treated like a crank, the little "math" that is listed on this page, sites.google.com/site/tommy1729/prime-twins-unbounded, is complete garbage

mick

:8331410 I actually like that , you do not ?

Ethan

you wan't people not to take you seriously?

mick

@Ethan Ethan , do you understand Loeb measure ?

Ethan

21:45

@mick, explain this statement to me, "The equation oo ( or countable infinity ) * x = 1 ,has no (real) solution for x", quoted from tommy

mick

Tommy refers to Loeb measure , Just an example of things he know about that with respect , I assume you dont.

Charlie

oh dear....

Dominic Michaelis

@ethan if it has a solution x would be in IR

than the multiplicative inverse would be in IR too

which means infty element IR

Ethan

@DominicMichaelis Is it giberish? it looks so

mick

Let x be a real number , Let O be oo
Solve O x = 1. I dare you !

user58512

21:47

@Ethan, do you only care about number theory?

mick

lol

I know nothing about galois theory

Let me ask you this ,
1) I repeat Let x be a real number , Let O be oo
Solve O x = 1. I dare you !
2) Lets say tommy had a rating here , how high do you expect it to be ?

user58512

the "rating" here is just how long you've been using the site...

mick

YOU SAY x = 0 ?

Peter Tamaroff

@Charlie here and there

mick

@user58512 SO 1857 is a cranks rating ?

or 1199 ?

user58512

21:51

what

mick

your not that much higher

user58512

I said the rating is only how long you've been here

mick

that is not true its not just about how long you are !

Charlie

@PeterTamaroff sorry, sorry, sorry, thousand sorries! sorry to disturb you! I already solved my problem!

Peter Tamaroff

@Charlie woah, why apologize?

mick

21:52

A crank would get a score of at most 400 after many years !! ? NOT ?

Charlie

@PeterTamaroff you said you were tired

Peter Tamaroff

@Charlie meh, i can still type!

mick

If 1199 is a crank rating , then most are cranks here ( at MSE ) !!
@Ethan
@user58512

Peter Tamaroff

@Ethan Kill it. Before it lays eggs!

Charlie

@PeterTamaroff okay, thanks for your attention!

user58512

21:54

@mick, I never called him a crank or anything - I just don't beleive in tetration.. like some people don't believe in infinty

Ethan

@PeterTamaroff lol

Peter Tamaroff

@user58512 "believe in tetration"?

you can define it nicely...

mick

point is , apart from the prime twins and the " attitude " , that page is better than it looks ...

user58512

but I like mick

@Ethan, do you want to discuss any math?

mick

@Ethan I have more reputation than you , do you realise that ?
Now think about that , how much rating would that imply tommy would have ?

user58512

21:57

lol

Peter Tamaroff

@mick Stop discussing meaningless stuff.

user58512

@mick, that's because you have been on the site longer

mick

Not trying to fight , but just saying.

user58512

how are you not understanding this?

mick

Im not on the site very long !

Peter Tamaroff

21:58

@mick Rep. doesn't measure a user's mathematical knowledge.

Charlie

^true

mick

@PeterTamaroff Im only 14.

user58512

what's the Goldbach problem called for p-q instead of p+q?

mick

IM not andrew wiles

Peter Tamaroff

@mick I like red balloons. What is your point?

mick

21:59

@user58512 I know that sec

@Ethan I like you , but You cannot answer my question ( without removing it ) can you ?

Ethan

@mick ???

@mick you're only 14?

mick

@Ethan basicly tommy1729 > mick , and my rating is slightly bigger than yours , what does this imply ??

@Ethan yes.

Peter Tamaroff

@Ethan "You're"

Ethan

lol

Peter Tamaroff

@mick What mathematics are you interested in?

mick

22:04

@PeterTamaroff tetration , number theory , optimization , algebra , dynamics , topology , fractals , numerical methods , continued fractions.

Peter Tamaroff

@mick And what have you studied?

mick

@PeterTamaroff Cant answer that. I just read stuff on the internet.

@Ethan do you " believe " in vitali sets ?

Ethan

@mick I don't understand the terminology your using

Peter Tamaroff

@mick Meaning? Because I see a question of yours where you ask about "integral transforms", "meromorphic kernels". Have you studied any complex analysis?

mick

Vitali set

In mathematics, a Vitali set is an elementary example of a set of real numbers that is not Lebesgue measurable, found by . The Vitali theorem is the existence theorem that there are such sets. There are uncountably many Vitali sets, and their existence is proven on the assumption of the axiom of choice. Measurable sets Certain sets have a definite 'length' or 'mass'. For instance, the interval [0, 1] is deemed to have length 1; more generally, an interval [a, b], a ≤ b, is deemed to have length b−a. If we think of such intervals as metal rods with uniform density, they likewise have w...

@PeterTamaroff I studied a tiny bit of everything.

Peter Tamaroff

22:08

@mick I don't think you believe in maths... you either accept the axioms or not.

@mick That sounds like a lot.

mick

YOU simply CANNOT understand tetration without complex analysis basics !

Peter Tamaroff

@mick Why?

mick

Tetration is related to fourier series and Riemann mappings on C !! Not so weird afterall huh ...

Peter Tamaroff

@mick What is a "fourier series"?

Could you explain?

mick

@PeterTamaroff The best solution so far is constructed by using complex analysis and riemann mapping. Nothing cranky about that !

Peter Tamaroff

22:11

@mick What are Riemann mappings?

@ethan Why would you delete that?

mick

@PeterTamaroff you know that very well. Dont play games. Im 14 but not retarded.

Peter Tamaroff

@mick I know nothing about complex analysis. Ask anyone here.

Argon

I can vouch for that.

mick

Well tommy does actually :)

user58512

how are you 14

mick

22:13

13+1

Charlie

I don't believe

Peter Tamaroff

@mick Do you know what it means for a set to be simply connected?

user58512

lol

Charlie

PROVE

Peter Tamaroff

@Charlie I do.

Charlie

22:13

:\

mick

Ok then , since I seem to have lowered my rep by admitting my teacher , let met explain what a riemann mapping is ( and if you want how it relates to tetration too ! )

Peter Tamaroff

@mick OK.

mick

But lol if i explain that it might shed doubt on my age :p

Peter Tamaroff

@mick Go on. I believe you're 14.

mick

Seems im into dilemma's

Peter Tamaroff

22:16

@mick Come on.

What on earth is a Riemann mapping, and how does it relate to repeated exponentiation?

mick

Any nonselfintersecting connected closed curve on the Riemann sphere can be mapped by an analytic function to the unit circle. This is called a riemann mapping.

+1 :)

Do I need to get on or all you lost here ?

Peter Tamaroff

@mick What does it mean for a curve to be connected?

mick

@PeterTamaroff continu , might even be fractal.

Peter Tamaroff

@mick "continu"?

mick

continuous

Peter Tamaroff

22:20

How can a curve be discontinuous and still be a curve?

mick

@PeterTamaroff

@PeterTamaroff by being open for instance.

Peter Tamaroff

@mick Open?

I know about sets being open, not curves.

mick

hmm maybe i can drop connected. I need to think about that

Peter Tamaroff

You haven't defined what connected means yet.

mick

It needs to be contractable , so connected.

Peter Tamaroff

22:24

Ah?

mick

anymore questions ?

simply connected

Peter Tamaroff

You haven't defined what connected means yet.

user58512

@mick, primes.utm.edu/notes/conjectures

mick

@user58512 yes ?

user58512

prove one

mick

22:27

@user58512 If you prove another one first :)

user58512

lol

I need to go to bed soon :(

I just want to sta y up

mick

@Ethan what are you talking about ?

@user58512 your less than 14 ? :p

user58512

this is so cool math.stackexchange.com/questions/318193/3-primes-conjecture

it restricts to twin prime, subtractive goldbach, polignacs conjecture..

Peter Tamaroff

@OldJohn Hey! Long time no see.

Charlie

@oldjohn !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mick

22:30

:8332214 thats not my site

Ethan

Didn't you say it was?

Charlie

@old We missed you!

Old John

Hi @PeterTamaroff @Charlie - just back from 2 weeks in the sun :)

mick

Ethan why are you addicted to removing so much ?

Peter Tamaroff

@mick I honestly recommend you try and learn maths properly, not memorize some big words and stuff and brag about it.

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Charlie

22:31

@OldJohn good!!!

Peter Tamaroff

@OldJohn Where were you?

Old John

and it is disgustingly cold here in the UK :(((

Tenerife in the Canaries

mick

@OldJohn Its cold here too

Argon

@OldJohn How was your trip??

mick

@PeterTamaroff Are you calling me a crank now ?

Charlie

22:32

@mick knock this thing off!!!!!!!!!!!

Ethan

Yes mick, stop with this

Peter Tamaroff

@mick No. I said what I said, no more no less.

user58512

llol

be nice

hi @OldJohn !!

@Ethan, why didnt you answer my question?

Ethan

what question?

Old John

@Argon Really great! - warm, sunny, lots to do and great food

mick

22:33

@PeterTamaroff I just explained you something and that is your reaction ?

user58512

@Ethan , are you interested in other math than number theory

mick

I know perfectly how riemann mappings relate to tetration !

Peter Tamaroff

@mick You explained nothing to me. You failed to define anything.

Ethan

@user58512 Yes, but I don't know much math

mick

@PeterTamaroff No then you failed to understand ! Do you even know what a Riemann Sphere is ?

Charlie

22:35

He keeps with the tetration....

user58512

@Ethan, is there anything you'recurious about but havent looked into

Argon

@OldJohn Great! Well, welcome back :)

Peter Tamaroff

@mick There is only one Riemann sphere, that's why we usually call it the Riemann sphere.

Ethan

@user58512 yes quite a bit lol

user58512

such as? :)

Peter Tamaroff

22:36

It is the Alexandroff compactification of $\Bbb C$, right @mick ?

mick

@PeterTamaroff Wrong , you can map the unit sphere to itself by multiplying by a root of unity !!!

user58512

@Ethan, if you do an undergrad in math you will probably have analysis really early on and kick ass in it

Old John

@Argon Thanks - great to be back - much happened here in the last 2 weeks?

Peter Tamaroff

@mick Oh, so that means there are two?

I can map $\Bbb R$ to itself by $x\mapsto x^3$, does that mean there are two $\Bbb R$s?

mick

@PeterTamaroff oh you said sphere , I thought you said mapping. NO there is only ONE and YES I already knew that !

Argon

22:38

@OldJohn Some conflicts, but hopefully all are settled now!

Old John

@Argon good

Peter Tamaroff

@mick Good. So let's better call it the Riemann sphere.

mick

@Argon Is this a conflict today ? :)

Argon

@mick I hope not!

mick

@PeterTamaroff k. but that proves nothing

@Argon Alot of fuzz going on today

because of me

user58512

22:39

@Ethan, after basic real analysis, there is complex and fourier analysis is my favorite

Peter Tamaroff

@mick What are we trying to prove?

user58512

@Ethan, but there's also functional analysis and probability and stuff like that which I never went into

mick

@user58512 But they are used for tetration !!

user58512

@mick, that doesnt legitimize tetration

mick

You guys are trying to prove
1) Im a crank
2) Tommy is a crank
3) Tetration is for cranks
4) I do not undestand a Riemann mapping
etc

user58512

22:41

@mick, I never said crank

mick

@user58512 Ok but others did

user58512

well dont worry about it it doesnt matter

mick

It does matter to me ! I defend tommy1729 although I can understand some parts of that page of him does not give a great impression.

user58512

does anyone know a little group theory? My answer didn't get upvoted math.stackexchange.com/a/316239/58512 and that's happened a few times when I've got things wrong... I wonder if it's wrong?

Peter Tamaroff

@mick Well, I cannot see how you can possibly understand what a Riemann mapping is if you don't know about topology, say.

mick

22:43

And I also defend tetration and ~AC

user58512

@mick, yeah I accept that - we all made mistakes in the past. I don't think we can discuss tetration without you getting upset though.. also I agree about AC

mick

@PeterTamaroff the topology of a sphere is quite simple. I did not call myself an expert with a big E ...

Peter Tamaroff

@mick "The" topology? But there are many topologies we may endow a sphere with. Do you know what a topology is?

mick

@user58512 Its not you who upset me , its the idea that i do not know tetration and/or riemann mapping that upsetted me , plus the claims about cranks.

@user58512 the weird part is that tommy , like you , loves number theory and ~AC , so you have more in commen than you think.

user58512

@mick, I want to give you a poem

do you want it?

mick

22:46

@PeterTamaroff Im not an expert in topology

@user58512 will i like it ?

Peter Tamaroff

@mick You needn't be an expert to know what a topological space is. I am not an expert either.

mick

@PeterTamaroff A sphere has no holes ...

Peter Tamaroff

@mick So? $\Bbb R$ has no holes, but I can think of a few different topologies to endow it with.

user58512

man this question gets re-asked every week .. math.stackexchange.com/questions/318247/…

mick

@PeterTamaroff its genus is trivial

Peter Tamaroff

22:49

@mick So?

mick

@user58512 what did you remove ? dont become like ethan

user58512

haha

Peter Tamaroff

@OldJohn So, what did you do?

user58512

I'm just surprised what you know at 14

mick

@PeterTamaroff Im not braggin at all !! I said I know a tiny bit !

you insulted me :/

Peter Tamaroff

22:53

@mick I insulted you? How?

Old John

@PeterTamaroff Visited lots of interesting places. tool loads of photos (about 1500) - and even spoke a few words of Spanish :)

Peter Tamaroff

@OldJohn Bien!

mick

@PeterTamaroff the starred message

I never said I cannot learn more

Peter Tamaroff

@mick OK, whoever starred it, please unstar it. @ethan @user58512 @Argon ?

mick

or know alot

Peter Tamaroff

22:54

@mick I was being brutally honest.

Old John

@PeterTamaroff My wife wants to go there again (as soon as possible) so I might have to learn Spanish properly

Ethan

@PeterTamaroff I think its helpful

Peter Tamaroff

You won't learn math this way @mick

mick

@PeterTamaroff CORRECTION you wont learn math this way

Peter Tamaroff

@mick Ah?

mick

22:55

Im not an expert , but i know how to do tetration from a riemann mapping despite not being a topologist !

now im not in the mood anymore to explain

so it is you who wont learn

user58512

@mick, read this kipling.org.uk/poems_if.htm

Peter Tamaroff

@mick No-one needs to be an expert to know the basic about topology. What I mean is that mathematics has a pyramidal structure. You can get on top if you don't build up the bottom.

You're pretending you know what a Riemann mapping is, but if you don't know any topology, you simply cannot.

mick

@user58512 what are you trying to tell me ?

user58512

@mick, I'm saying keep doing what you think is right and don't listen to advice from undergrads

mick

@PeterTamaroff I agree on your pyramid but not on the riemann mapping , BESIDES you told me you did not know what it was ! SO you lied or what ?

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