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00:16
@user58512 Me too!! (Maybe we should "lock" the comment to avoid "me too!" responses!)
@user58512 Just upvoted the question. I'll look for a modified answer, given all of @anon's help!
I missed it earlier today!
@OrangeHarvester hello!
@anon anon, what's your favorite abstract algebra text?
if I had a nickel for every time I've been asked that I'd have enough money to actually buy one
I don't really have a favorite, I bounce from pdf to pdf too much to have a birds-eye view of what I cover.
@anon That makes sense...Sorry to ask the same old, same old ;-)
00:32
Holy guacamole!
I have made quite some decent LaTeX -> HTML (for Wordpress) translator.
Including references and all, you know.
Well, actually it is just HTML, but I use it on my bloggie.
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@JonasTeuwen Wow!
BTW, do you know there is such a thing extant, I can guess yours might be better... can you point me to your code if you have them online?
@JonasTeuwen You write a blog? News to me. \heads to google.
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@JonasTeuwen http:// :)
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[](http://)
There we go. :)
00:40
Yes, I've tried all the options and then figured the problem.
I will publish the code when I figure out the best settings.
As I am not really satisfied with the markup.
Not at all, actually. But at least it parses.
kan
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@JonasTeuwen Sure. :)
@Jonas Why not try something like Jekyll instead of breaking heads with WP?
I have many of such tools already (have a couple of big software projects).
But Wordpress has many advantages: you can link it to the others.
Otherwise I'd have to break my head on how to connect all those tools while all I want is like a central place to make things work.
For my 'professional' things I have a subdomain called 'dashboard' and there all crap comes in. Notifications, server metrics etc.
what is the difference between wordpress and blogger
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00:45
Hah! I see.
Reworking the latter to include more things like e-mail and calendar.
Yes - I had to boot up a new server to run WP as I did not want filthy PHP on my precious cloud...
That reminds me to choke it in a jail.
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@JonasTeuwen So if all goes well, you're writing a software for a modern mathematician... :)
Yes.
I want to make some software tools for academics.
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Great!
One to reduce headaches, not add.
I started it some time ago, but I will now shift to mobile platform immediately.
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00:47
Well, those that add won't survive the test of time. :)
Windows did 8-(.
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Oh, but, Windows attracts more users but more users who are OK with computer dictating terms. Not so many who'd like their computer do what THEY want use Windows.
I need to find a slick way to have an interface for the 'Eisenhower importance scheme' in the TODO app.
It should be a bit like on paper, the 'TODO list', but then actually easier to use.
user19161
Windows 8 is good.
It is so horrible.
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00:49
@JonasTeuwen True that.
Where is the bloody terminal?
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@JonasTeuwen He is talking about the windows on his house's walls, I'd preseume. ;-)
Actually it should work like a piece of paper but give you metrics FOR FREE!
Windows 8 is quite funny, but my desktop is not a tablet 8-(.
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@JacobBlack It sucks. I saw it. The Central Computer Center here has a couple of Windoze machines.
@JacobBlack apply ice to the burned area
jking
user19161
00:51
@kan Yes, and 8 refers to my glasses.
Alright, my todo-list does not have all items marked and it is almost 2AM. For instance 'clean up room' from 2 weeks ago and 'throw out thrash' of two days ago is still there!
kan
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Oops. Lazy you! ;P
I've been like constantly busy since 8AM 8-(.
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Tim
thrash' -> trash?
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00:53
@JonasTeuwen I know, I was just joking.
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Tim
Busy man
I am so busy because I have such a low qualified job.
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Tim
what job is it?
Lecturer.
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Tim
Prof Jonas?
00:54
Professor is only used for full professors here.
And I do not have a PhD (yet).
That is why I am so busy, I need to speed up the process.
Why is it "low" qualified?
Because almost all other positions are higher qualified.
And I do not feel less qualified than most of the people that have one of those jobs.
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Tim
I always think you are very smart
Is that... good or bad?
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Tim
Dont worry, jonas
good
00:56
In that case: thanks.
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Tim
I am your admirer and fan
Hah, nice.
I think of a good lecturer as a highly qualified job and I believe most students do to.
Tim
Tim
I admire people who are good at mathematics, and especially in functional analysis and stochastic processes and probability, because I am always troubled with all those questions.
It is very cute.
00:59
Hi @Charlie
Hi @Charlie
@Charlie Hi
@JonasTeuwen What do you lecture?
what classes, I mean...
@Charlie Hi
Tim
Tim
functional analysis?
01:01
@Charlie hi @Charlie
Tim
Tim
Charlie, please say hi back to them!
@Charlie hi @Charlie
Depends... now: nothing. Previous semester: differential equations.
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Tim
PDE is hard
Now I supervise theses :-).
01:02
$\Huge\text{Hi}$ @Charlie
One of them is in wave front sets in (quantum) optics - cool stuff.
@Charlie
Tim
Tim
What books in stochastic processes and probability and functional analysis do you recommend, Jonas?
$\frac{Hi}{@Charlie}$
Tim
Tim
Do you maintain a list of courses and books or notes?
01:06
$\text{Hi}^{\text{@Charlie}}$
hmm, is there notation for the $\pi(T)$-adic completion of a function field ${\bf F}(T)$? and its ring ${\bf F}[T]$ (or ${\bf F}[T^{-1}]$)
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What is T?
formal variable
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ranging in which set?
"ranging"?
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01:07
I mean taking value from which set?
or "formal" means "formal"
Forgive my ignorance
I should have never put on the Mozart Violin Concertos - Now I will never be able to sleep before light comes again 8-((((.
Tim
Tim
maybe drinking a little will help your sleep?
it doesn't take values, it's a formal variable, and $\bf F$ is a finite field. see polynomial ring and rational function field. (note that the adjective "function" is highly misleading)
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Thanks
@skull @argon hi boysssssssssss! How cute!
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01:12
Dear lord
Charlie speaks!
@Tim yes I dooooooooo!
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Hope you are doing well
@Charlie Hi
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@skullpatrol I'm good, skull
01:19
HOLY GUACAMOLE! What the heck are you doing?!
user19161
@JonasTeuwen Are you talking to your guacamole?
@skullpatrol how are you ?
@Charlie Fine thanks.
@JacobBlack hi Jasper
@JacobBlack Yes.
01:24
@skullpatrol good
Hello @jonas
@Charlie Do you like expresso?
Hi.
I just threw out some old paper. Like 2000 pages 8-(.
@skullpatrol no, I don't drink coffee
Still plenty left.
@JonasTeuwen oh noes!
01:27
@Charlie I brought you a cup
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@JonasTeuwen I have so much of papers to throw too. I haven't gotten around to it. :)
Bye folks.
@skullpatrol how cute :)
@kan Start writing correct things then! I keep trying, but still plenty of crap coming in... 8-(.
Good night guys.
01:29
Good night @jonas
user19161
@Charlie Hi M.
@JacobBlack Hi JB
@JacobBlack :D
user19161
Geezis, I made a terrible miscalculation, luckily no downvote before I edited, phew!
@JacobBlack I'd need some scotch to calm myself down after that
@JacobBlack is combinatorics more math or compsci?
user19161
01:43
@Khromonkey I don't know about comp sci, but it is definitely a major branch of math.
@JacobBlack but comp sci majors seem to learn more of it
user19161
@Khromonkey Well, depends on what courses are offered. This varies greatly from uni to uni.
Heyyy
@math101 hey! hay...heigh...!
@amWhy Hi
02:05
If $\psi_0(q)$ is the digamma function, $$\sum_{\substack{\gcd(a,r)=1\\1\leq r\leq a}}\psi_0(\frac{r}{a})=-\gamma\phi(a)$$
Hi @OrangeHarvester
02:33
@Orange Yoo-hoo!? (You Who?) Yahoo!
@skullpatrol How'd you come up with your user?
@amWhy Me Orange!!!! Yahooooooooo....
@skullpatrol hi!
@OrangeHarvester :-D
@amWhy Howz it going?
@OrangeHarvester okay...could be better, could be worse. So, I'll take comfort knowing thing could be worse! Optimistic, hey?
@skullpatrol Is that a riddle? Maybe I'll call myself a "Cheesehead"
@amWhy Yes. I hope things are better with you soon. Optimistic is the right way to go.
02:37
@skullpatrol Is that related to a fan of a particular team, or of a particular sport.
@OrangeHarvester Yes, one always has hope...and I've got the essentials, and am better off that most folks in the world: I have a roof over my head, food to eat, a warm place to sleep, and passion and compassion...so I should answer that I'm doing well.
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@amWhy How'd you come up with "amWhy"?
@skullpatrol I love the word "why" for one. But phonetically, it is identical to a letter in the alphabet...hint hint...
@skullpatrol I'll convert you yet: Green and Gold all the way. Go Pack! ;-)
@amWhy Yes. :-)
02:42
@OrangeHarvester how 'bout you? Aside from as yet being deprived of an email from me ;-)
How 'goes it?
@skullpatrol naww...I won't try and convert. It's good to be dedicated, as you clearly are to your Raiders. I wouldn't want to deprive them of a loyal fan.
Well considering that that is the worst thing that can happen to me... :-(
But I am good, finally understanding the basic things in mathematics, so now can more forward.
@amWhy I give up ... what letter is it?
m
@skullpatrol "why" sounds like "y"
Now add that to "a...m...+
@OrangeHarvester Great! What you moving on to?
@skullpatrol a+m+y = Amy
02:47
@amWhy Measure Theory.
@OrangeHarvester Wow! Good for you. You can teach me what you learn ;-)
@amWhy Yes. :-)
@skullpatrol I just don't want my name to be too obvious, to casual onlookers. Gender can be a liability in the field of mathematics.
@skullpatrol I have been playing around for over a month trying to construct a new user...to use...I'm rather attached to amWhy, but variety is good, and I need change to get out of my stagnant rut of a life.
@amWhy Stagnation is never good ;-)
02:54
@skullpatrol You're right about that. My biggest dread, as an adolescent (which still lives inside me) was living a stagnant life. So I'm committing to "shaking things up a bit."
stagnant?
@anorton You did a really nice job with this. Do you have "logicly" or some similar circuit construction software?
I see, you used LabView...I have logically. Your pictures are prettier.
If I have a double summation (two variables with bounds) what is the correction notation for showing that the variables gcd must be 1?
(sum i = 1 to x)(sum j=1 to y) yada yada
gcd(i,j)=1
You can use iverson brackets in the summand.
Hi
03:01
@amWhy The Raiders have always been committed to "shaking things up a bit." But we just hide it and call it "Commitment to excellence" ... it helps put an end to stagnation :-)
Quick physics thing.
Say i have this image
I.e. $\sum_i\sum_j [\rm{gcd}(i,j)=1]\dots$
And I make the raidus smaller
is work done negative?
@peoplepower but then what about the actual thing being summed
@Link Yes, if pulling down on the string is considered negative work.
03:04
@user62753 What do you mean? You just multiply the bracket with the "yada yada".
for some reason that command [\rm{gcd}(i,j)=1] is throwing off the rest of the expression
Are you talking about latex?
It is not clear what "throwing off the rest of the expression" means.
whatever \rm is it wants to apply to the rest of the expression
i have sum sum [\rm{gcd}(i,j)=1] rest of expression
03:08
Ah, in mathjax, I just use \rm, but you should use \gcd in a real latex document.
@skullpatrol, thank you.
what is the proper way?
I am not the one to ask for proper latex usage in general, but here one should use [\gcd(i,j)=1].
fantastic; thank you!
There are other ways, that I will mention, one is to stack conditions under a single summation. I.e. you can have one row be i=1,j=1 and the row under it be \gcd(i,j)=1.
03:27
what are the things I should study before doing an undergrad?
I really like math but I am sort of stupid
guys?
I need to take a bath good night
or goodbye depending where you live
MJD
MJD
04:31
In case anyone here would like to search for questions in which their answers might have been plagiarized.
Thanks
+1
05:03
@MJD Would it be reasonable to post that link in the gnometorule's thread . So, as to allow more visibility to your query?
MJD
MJD
You may if you like.
I find se.math's rules about what is reasonable to post in meta to be inscrutable.
Hehe. Okay.
se.math?
anon, anon, anon... when will you learn to commute? ;-)
MJD
MJD
math.se is confusing because it looks like a Sweden domain name.
user19161
05:09
@MJD I just saw your comment. I was rather shocked too.
MJD
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On the bright side, I'm having fun composing queries.
Deleted posts are really not queryable.
I can search post histories for deletions, but I only find them for posts that were deleted and subsequently undeleted.
There is a sentiment on that meta thread, that the issue should have been dealt with privately by moderators, but considering that the issue was hidden for so long, I am not sure how not making it public would have helped the cause of finding the plagiarism in so many other posts.
@MJD Probably moderator can query deleted posts?
MJD
MJD
Surprisingly, no.
user19161
Sometimes I do post an answer, think of some improvement, and log in to find that others have answered, in which case I still go ahead with the edit.
05:16
Hmm, I just rechecked the thread and am also shocked. Tsk tsk, amwhy.
user19161
Sometimes, I may have naturally used some phrasing of words to describe something because I have read an article 9000 times and sort of remembered it.
...students a taught to read their notes 9000 times, no?
user19161
Yeah. So I am just raising some peripheral issues here for one to consider before trying to classifiy something as plagiarism or not, just general comments.
So am I pal.
Plagiarism is the "wrongful appropriation" and "purloining and publication" of another author's "language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions," and the representation of them as one's own original work. The idea remains problematic with unclear definitions and unclear rules. The modern concept of plagiarism as immoral and originality as an ideal emerged in Europe only in the 18th century, particularly with the Romantic movement. Plagiarism is considered academic dishonesty and a breach of journalistic ethics. It is subject to sanctions like expulsion. Plagiarism is not a crime per se but ...
user19161
@skullpatrol Most things in life are unclear...
05:22
@JacobBlack ...maybe.
user19161
However, to copy something from X and accuse X of copying him, or to then lie to X that no copying was done, makes it a clear cut case of plagiarism.
MJD
MJD
Yes.
It also makes me a schmuck for letting it go.
user19161
So there is wrongful plagiarism, wrongful accusation and wrongful falsehood.
I agree with your sentiment, and believe me I am firm proponent of Everything is a remix but the fact that the following statement was copied and similar other statements were copying fails to strike me anything but willful.

"Amazingly, the answer that was left was the correct answer (he was working on finding roots of polynomials, I think). "
...and wrongful wrong
QED
user19161
05:28
QED
hmm, the only paper specifically covering eigenfunctions of the p-adic fourier transform I can find ... is in russian
Welp, time to learn russian.
user19161
Also, wrongful insult of people saying they have inflated egos for pointing out.
What has been inflated can also be deflated, no?
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@Sanchez do you think, $$\lim_{s\to 1}\frac{1}{\zeta(s)}\sum_{n=0}^\infty\frac{\mu(an+b)}{(an+b)^s}=0, \text{ for all coprime a,b, b<a}$$ is as strong a statement as, $$\lim_{s\to 1}\frac{1}{\ln(\zeta(s))}\sum_{p\equiv b\text{ mod a}}\frac{1}{p^s}=\frac{1}{\phi(a)}, \text{for all coprime a,b, b<a}$$
05:40
Hi from Philly area. Would someone mind to critique my question that is unanswered after 13 hours? Maybe it's just too long. math.stackexchange.com/questions/310306/…
way to long
I suppose I could chop off lots of it and possibly bring it back in another form some other day.
@Sanchez do you think it would be any easyier to prove the first result, then the 2nd one?
what first and second?
05:42
The limit involving the mobius function is the first
and the other the second
@minopret +1 for effort :)
I don't know what you are talking about
how can I refrence a previous comment?
in chat
@skullpatrol Thanks!
@Ethan Drag it down to the message box
05:44
5 mins ago, by Ethan
@Sanchez do you think, $$\lim_{s\to 1}\frac{1}{\zeta(s)}\sum_{n=0}^\infty\frac{\mu(an+b)}{(an+b)^s}=0, \text{ for all coprime a,b, b<a}$$ is as strong a statement as, $$\lim_{s\to 1}\frac{1}{\ln(\zeta(s))}\sum_{p\equiv b\text{ mod a}}\frac{1}{p^s}=\frac{1}{\phi(a)}, \text{for all coprime a,b, b<a}$$
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@minopret Your question is very vague. Kepler's equation is transcendental in the sense that is involves sine function which is transcendental itself, and hence, does originate from the fact that it is impossible to square a circle. But the focus of kepler's equation is not to prove such an impossibility. It already assumes that. Its focus is to express a relation between two quantities as a way to calculate stuff.
@minopret Hm.
I was just trying to refer to a previous comment in chat, not to you.
Sorry if this seems ofensive.
Having trouble understanding how to refer to comments...
@OrangeHarvester :)
@anon can u give me some advice
05:47
just paste the url of the permalink; chat will automatically turn it into a quote
probably not ...
do you think it would be easyier to prove the first statement I wrote
as apposed to the second one?
dunno
:(
user19161
When the great anon doesn't know something, we can all go home.
05:49
actually my guess is on the second
really?
yes, it's in the PLC notes I have linked to you, as J would put it, over 9000 times
@OrangeHarvester OK, that makes sense.
Im pretty sure the first sum is $O(1/\zeta(s))$, so it would be $lim_{s\to 1} o(1/\zeta(s)^2)$
@minopret Also, I feel Kepler's Law does not depend on squaring the circle. That is, impossibility to square a circle is not the key point of proof in kepler's law.
@awllower Yo!
05:52
yo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIydlgER51o
Call me danger...
If a group hs quite small order, then its irreducible representations have to be one-dimensional... Am I on the right track?
hs=>has
@OrangeHarvester So practically every transcendental equation is as near to (and as far from) the topic of squaring the circle as Kepler's equation. And presumably transcendental numbers were considered (although not in terms of the quadratic closure of the rationals) long before Kepler. I suppose there's something there but it's not really special to Kepler's equation.
@awllower, what you said is wrong when over nonalgebraically closed field.
I would like to know why.
It only uses a dimensional argument, right?
whoops strike "(although not... rationals)" which was a very confused thought.
@awllower, the sum of squares statement is wrong.
05:59
Oh!
So what arguments still remain valid?
Em, I'm not sure what you can do in general.
But we still can decompose the representation into irreducible ones, right?
But for descent to $\mathbb{R}$, there're things you can say - start with an irrep $V/\mathbb{R}$, then the behaviour of $V \otimes_{\mathbb{R}} \mathbb{C}$ is known
Yes, semisimple part is still true.
Is that suggesting us to study the twisted forms of $V /R$?
43 secs ago, by awllower
Is that suggesting us to study the twisted forms of $V /R$?
Oh I know now. Thanks.
I mean I know now how to refer to previous comments, not that I know how to answer that question.
27 mins ago, by skullpatrol
@Ethan Drag it down to the message box
06:12
I'm not sure what you mean by twisted forms. I don't know these well to be honest, but my impression is that if you start with an irrep $V/\mathbb{R}$, then $V \otimes_{\mathbb{R}} \mathbb{C}$ is either an irrep/$\mathbb{C}$, or irrep + its conjugate. So if you know what happens for all irrep over $\mathbb{C}$, you can use this to find all the irrep over $\mathbb{R}$ @awllower
@Oh It works like that, I was thinking about Galois descent techniques...
@Sanchez
I don't know what Galois descent is.
@skullpatrol Thanks for telling me that: it is very useful!!
An introduction!
http://www.math.uconn.edu/~kconrad/blurbs/galoistheory/galoisdescent.pdf
@awllower Thanks for the video link :)
But I know it only through studying central simple algebras ...
06:15
22 mins ago, by awllower
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIydlgER51o
Call me danger...
What video? FOC?
Oh. NP:)
That series helped me a lot in learning English: I do not know why, but it was through my attempts to listen to their songs that I developped my English skills to some extent.
@Sanchez Might I suppose that you are a specialist in representation theory?
Listen to as much as you can and back it up with reading the lyrics.
Indeed. :)
Those lyrics are oft quite funny!
@awllower, not at all.
I can try to answer your questions if I happen to know the answer.
@Sanchez Sorry for this misunderstanding then.
It just sounded that you know a lot on the subject. ^^
06:21
oh, not really - otherwise i could probably answer your question.
The relationship between irrep over $\mathbb{R}$ and $\mathbb{C}$ should be well known, but I can't work it out right now.
That is fine!
Looking forward to your solutions then. Hope I would work out it at that time.:D
@awllower Here is another one :-D
:)
Very interesting!
Thanks for sharing!!
06:47
I'm reading the proof of Lebesgue's monotone convergence theorem on Baby Rudin.
Hi!)
Hm, anybody who heard about morphology of binary images, is there some topological description of binary image in this relation?
o, nice, it's a digital topology
07:18
@Nimza what makes a topology "digital"?
@robjohn Suppose $\mathfrak M$ is a $\sigma$-ring and $\mu$ is a nonnegative measure on $\mathfrak M$. Put $\mu^*(A)=\inf\{\mu(E)\,\vert\,E\in\mathfrak M\land E\supset A\}$ and $\mu_*(A)=\sup\{\mu(E)\,\vert\,E\in\mathfrak M\land E\subset A\}$. Are $\mu^*$ and $\mu_*$ so called outer measure and inner measure?
I was looking at Digital Topology
@FrankScience As I remember, that is correct.
@robjohn I think it is called digital because it is used in computer science, but I'm not sure :) What do you think?
@Nimza according to that article, that is right
What about $A_1\supset A_2\supset\dotsb$ and $\bigcap_{n=1}^\infty A_n=\emptyset$ implying $\mu^*(A_n)\to0$?
07:39
@FrankScience countable additivity
@robjohn $A_n$ aren't necessarily measurable.
What does that mean?
user19161
07:59
@robjohn Never heard of that term.

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