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7:02 PM
No I think I got it. But thank you
@DominicMichaelis
@DominicMichaelis Could you perhaps confirm my answer ?
 
sup
 
sup
how r u
@user58512
 
good
you
 
I'm fine. Working on problems :)
 
what
 
7:17 PM
@user43758 i will try
 
@user43758, you arent supposed to accept so quick
 
Anyone able to help with the one I posted earlier?
 
user19161
I should come to this chat less often. It is the blackhole of productivity...
 
YES
I figured it out!
 
7:40 PM
interesting...
 
7:58 PM
@math wassup?
 
Evening
 
Evening
 
hi
 
I haven't done any math in a while, and now I'm having trouble solving this i.imgur.com/A0I3ZbN.png . I'd need to find out the coordinates in orange.
 
hm
y = 6 - x/3
 
8:03 PM
And what I thought would work didn't quite work it. Any suggestions? I think this is not worth a question on its own
 
you dont need any square roots
do you agree with y = 6 - x/3 ?
I rewrote the line equation in a way that seems simpler to me
 
Yeah
 
i was wrong you need square root
so call the orange coordinates (a,b)
or
 
it's a triangle, you need to find one side of it
 
so call the orange coordinates (a,6 - a/3)
now you have a right angled triangle and pythagoras theorem
 
8:05 PM
precisely
 
(a-3)^2 + (b-5)^2 = 7^2
do you agree with that?
 
Sure
 
so now you put b in (a-3)^2 + (6 - a/3-5)^2 = 7^2
 
Indeed
 
and multiply out 10/9*a^2 - 20/3*a - 39 = 0
so now you can just apply the quadratic formula
that gives a, but then you can just use b = 6 - a/3 so you have (a,b)
 
8:07 PM
Alright, so in fact my proposed solution was correct, except for the fact that I wrote down the pythagoras theorem as C² = sqrt(A² + B²) for some reason. That sqrt shouldn't be there!
Precisely
 
it's the distance between two points, obviously, you havve the distance and want the point :D
 
Yeah I just put the square root there mistakenly, thinking I'd written down D instead of D² probably.
Anyway, here we go: wolframalpha.com/input/…
Thank you for your insights!
 
@Chris thanks to @user58512
 
:)
 
now I just have this weird thing where my text replaces e with 5
its an inequality, it would make sense to change it to 3.. why 5
 
8:20 PM
@user58512 ??
good, good...
 
Hi
Wie gehts?
 
gut und dir ?
 
gut, gut
ganz gut
 
do you avhe any advice on understanding inequaliteis
 
8:32 PM
@user58512 me or Dominic?
Ah, okay
 
@user58512 proofing
@charlie deutscher ?
 
@DominicMichaelis nein,nein, ich bin nicht deutsche
 
@DominicMichaelis, just understanding better
I have a way to tell if e^{-1/x} is increasing or decreasing when x increases.. just go through each subterm
x inc. so 1/x dec. so -1/x inc. so e^{-1/x} inc.
 
using that loads
 
8:40 PM
@DominicMichaelis Can I ask you something? I already saw girls called Dominic, and boys.
 
@Charlie yeah
 
@DominicMichaelis and you are..?
 
oh sry i am a boy, or male what you prefer
 
:/
 
:\
 
8:42 PM
@DominicMichaelis Ah, okay, thanks
 
seems like i gave the wrong answer :D
 
@DominicMichaelis no,no
 
I'm just symmetrizing anon's slanty-face
 
@Charlie akemsis and anon weren't so happy ^^
 
@DominicMichaelis haha
but I'm a girl mwahahaha
 
8:44 PM
:\ is a much better slanty face than :/
 
it's just the same
 
Lies.
 
who lied?
 
Whoever gave you the idea that :\ is the same as :/!
 
come on....
 
8:46 PM
/:
 
@Charlie i am on your side :)
 
@DominicMichaelis oh thanks
 
Hello
 
hola
 
Can I ask you guys a quick question?
 
8:47 PM
yes
 
@user43758 you already did
 
I have a ODE such that: xp''(x)-p'(x)=0
Can I set v(x)=p'(x) and have xv'(x)-v(x)=0 ?
 
divide by x^2, integrate, obtain (p'/x)'=0
 
Or is it wrong?
 
yes, that's acceptable
 
8:49 PM
Ok that's all I wanted to check. Thanks
We get \frac{\lambda}{2}x^2
Can I simply write Ax^2 rather than the above expression ?
 
actually, Ax^2+B would be your general solution.
yes, you can replace lambda/2 with A
 
Right because of the integration
 
@Dominic Bist du ein Mathematiker und Physiker?
 
@Charlie student ja
 
@DominicMichaelis ah, cool
 
9:00 PM
Normally guys are running away when i mention that :D
 
I wanted to do both
but I have no conditions
 
What year ?
 
second year
 
good, good
 
As in Bachelor or Masters..
 
9:01 PM
bachelor :(
 
I'm freshman still
Planning on double majoring math and physics too
 
that's a good idea
 
I have to go
Nice talking to you both
 
when i was younger i wanted to do physics just because i wanted to understand quantum physics
@user43758 my pleasure
 
@user goodbye
 
9:05 PM
Tschüss
haha
:D
 
i will go too
tschüss
 
@DominicMichaelis Bye bye
 
haha
> Ribenboim says "The method of proof is interesting, in that the inequality is shown first under the assumption that the Riemann hypothesis is true, secondly under the contrary assumption
 
9:49 PM
can someone tell me the difference between $H/N$ and $HN/N$ where $H$ is a subgroup of $G$ and $H$ is a subgroup and $N$ is a normal subgroup .
@anon :
you there ?
 
@Theorem everybody is sleeping
 
@Theorem What is $HN$ supposed to denote?
 
@DavidK. : product of two subgroups
@Charlie Hi
 
@Theorem Hi!
 
@Theorem Well is $N$ a subgroup of $H\times N$?
@Theorem Wait, do you mean $HN$ is the 'product group' of the subgroups $H$ and $N$ or the product of two subgroups $HN=\{\,hn:h\in H, n\in N\,\}$ ?
 
9:57 PM
Do any of you veterans here know of a question on the main site about programs that work out nonlinear differential equations numerically (or perhaps know yourselves)? I wouldn't want to clog the site with a duplicate question.
 
@Alyosha If you know any C++, then I'd recommend FreeFem++
 
No I don't, but I'd be happy to learn. I happen to have mathematica (from a friend); is that better than 'traditional' programming platforms like C++ for differential equations' modelling (I'm as inept in all fields of programming at the moment, so could learn either)?
 
@Alyosha I also use Mathematica and I have never been able to get mathematica to efficiently produce numerical solutions to nonlinear PDE's. If you are talking about ODE's then Mathematica is actually a fairly good solver.
I don't really know any programming either, but I found that FreeFem++/C++ was remarkably easy to learn and implement.
 
@DavidK. I'll keep that in mind, thanks for the help
 
Anyone educated in algeba around?
 
10:06 PM
Algeba?
nobody
:PP
 
I happen to know some Algeba
 
WOW!
 
@DavidK. I want to try and generalie the proof of the following: If $2\mid |G|$ then there exists a $g\in G$ such that $g^2=1$ but $g\neq e$.
THe general would be
If $p\mid |G|$ then there exiss a $g\in G$ such that $g^p=1$ but $g\neq e$:
Now, the proof for the case two is considering the set $S\subset G^2$ of pairs $(x,y)$ for which $xy=1$.
Then we define an action of $\Bbb Z_2$ onto $S$
By $1(x,y)=(y,x)$, $0(x,y)=(x,y)$
And argue that $|S|=|G|=\sum |\Bbb Z_2 (x_i,y_i)|$
 
@PeterTamaroff May I ask why you wish to do this?
 
Modding out by $2$ then gives us something nice.
@DavidK. What is "this"?
 
10:13 PM
Why you want to prove this generalization?
 
@DavidK. I am interested in it.
 
The reason I ask is, this is a fairly well known theorem.
It follows directly from the First Sylow Theorem
 
I don't know that Sylow theorem.
But I'm on my way to studying it.
I'm a few sections behind it.
 
A finite group whose order is divisible by a prime $p$ contains a subgroup of order $p^{e}$
 
$e$ is the identity, yes?
 
10:16 PM
No. Sorry. Just some integer
 
Some integer?
 
positive integer
 
Can't you determine it?
 
Determine $e$?
 
Yes. Is it $4$, $26$; $2593$?
 
10:17 PM
Well, $p\mid|G|$, right? So $|G|=p^{e}n$ where $e\geq1$ and $n$ is some positive integer.
 
Oh, OK.
And that is the 1$^{\rm st}$ Sylow Theorem?
 
The first in Artin's Algebra
 
I'm studying from Jacobson BAI.
@DavidK. Now, do you know the general idea of the theorem I want to prove?
To set up $S\subset G^p$
 
yes
 
The set of $p$-tuples such that $\prod^p x_i=1$
@DavidK. But I can't seem to define the action well.
Could you help me, maybe through the case $p=3$?
 
10:22 PM
I think so.
 
Ok, so take a group where $3\mid |G|$.
Define $S=\{(x_0,x_1,x_2)\in G^3:x_1x_2x_3=1\}$
 
Ok, by the first Sylow Theorem, the group $G$ has a subgroup of order $3^{e}$ for some positive integer $e$.
 
@DavidK. I don't want to use that theorem.
 
Ok.
 
I want to use the idea of an action from $\Bbb Z_3$ on $G^3$
And then we would have that $|G|=|S|=\sum |\Bbb Z_3 {\bf x}|$
Do you know how the proof for $p=2$ goes?
Maybe if I show you that it'll be clearer
 
10:26 PM
Ok.
 
You define the action $0(x,y)=(x,y)$ and $1(x,y)=(x,y)$
Then $|\Bbb Z_2(x,y)|=1$ if and only if $x^2=1$
And $=2$ else.
Since $|G|=|S|=\sum |\Bbb Z_2(x,y)|$, modding out by two kills all the cases where the "coset" has 2 elements, leaving only with the $x^2=1$ cases.
But this is $\equiv 0 \mod 2$
since the group has even order.
But then there must be, apart from $e^2=1$, at least one more element in $g$ fior which $g^2=1$
QED.
The idea then would be to define an action such that $|\Bbb Z_p(x_1,\dots,x_p)|=1$ $\iff \prod^p x_i=1$
And $p$ otherwise.
Or something of the sort.
Oh, blimey. $|S|=|G|^{p-1}$
I have found the generalization.
Oh, what the frac is the "order-stabilizer" theorem....
 
Glad I could help. ;)
That is the theorem that leads to the proof of the first Sylow theorem.
 
Oh, well.
@DavidK. Hehe, =P
I tried my best,.
"It is also typical to use Cauchy's Theorem to prove the first of Sylow's Theorems, though this is not required."
"Cauchy's theorem is a theorem in the mathematics of group theory, named after Augustin Louis Cauchy. It states that if G is a finite group and p is a prime number dividing the order of G (the number of elements in G), then G contains an element of order p."
 
True.
 
Oh. The orbit stabilizer theorem doesn't look much complicated.
 
user19161
10:44 PM
@peter You are working on Jacobson by yourself?
 
@JacobBlack Aye,
 
user19161
@PeterTamaroff Good boy.
 
@JacobBlack Barks
@JacobBlack I signed up today.
 
@Theorem H/N doesn't make sense if N is not fully contained in H
@PeterTamaroff There is in fact a proof of Sylow I using only group actions and arithmetic information (ie a finite group's order). I like it much more than something based upon induction.
 
@anon Hello, sire.
@anon Thanks.
 
11:27 PM
@anon Man. Only 70 people sign up for math in my college per year,.
 
That's probably, like, two calculus classes in my uni :)
 
@anon Heheh, probably.
Gives us more freedom, though.
What did @AndrewSalmon say?
 
he just said "Hello"
can you give me an example of a number that is congruent to 1 mod 4 and 3 mod 4?
look up chinese remainder theorem
any system of congruences is either inconsistent or logically equivalent to a single congruence
 
lol im an idiot
not thinking
 
gotta catch the shuttle; don't wanna walk in the snow with a flimsy hoodie
 
11:41 PM
Hello
Can someone help me with this please? math.stackexchange.com/questions/307562/…
 
@Ethan Stop removing your stuff. We don't judge here...
Learn from your mistakes.
@user43758 I'm willing to help if you put a little work in your question.
It is really messy.
I't be easier if you tidied it up a little.
 
ok
@PeterTamaroff
 
@user43758 OK, I got what you wanty.
I'll edit if you dont mind.
 
Ok. Thank you
@PeterTamaroff I wrote TD because that was the notation used in my book. So I wanted to maintain it
 
@user43758 I think it gives rise to confusion, as you see.
 
11:49 PM
yes. it could mean product
 
@user43758 Are you sure?
I'll edit it back then.
 
Yes.
No. It means composition
sorry
I misunderstood your statement
@PeterTamaroff
 
@user43758 Ok, good.
Using coordinates, note that $T$ is $(a_0,a_1,a_2,a_3)\mapsto (0,a_1,2a_2,3a_3)$
While $D$ is $(a_0,a_1,a_2,a_3)\mapsto (a_1,2a_2,3a_3,0)$
So, what is $T\circ D$?
 
it is the matrix (c1,c2,c3,c4) such that c1 is (0,0,0,0), c2 is (0,0,0,0), c3 is (0,2,0,0) and c4 is (0,0,6,0)
@PeterTamaroff
This is the matrix of TD relative to the basis of V
 
Yes, $T\circ D$ is $(a_0,a_1,a_2,a_3)\mapsto (0,2a_2,6a_3,0)$
And your matrix is obtain using the canonical basis.
 
11:57 PM
@anon If two Dirichlet series' $f(s)$ and $g(s)$ converge conditionally for s>1, and $$f(s)/g(s)$$ can be bounded between two constants , can I conclude that $$\lim_{s\to 1}\frac{f(s)}{g(s)}$$ exists?
 
Sorry.
 
@PeterTamaroff We still didn't see eignvalues
 
So we agree that
0000
0020
0006
0000
Is our matrix?
 
yes
 
OK, what do you know about diagonalization?
Suppose that there existed basis $B_1,B_2$ for $V,W$ respectively for which this matrix wsa in diagonal form.
What would this mean, regarding the values of $f=T\circ D$ on this bases?
 

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