8:00 PM
do you mean to ask what an invariant subspace is?
yup
$W\le V$ is an invariant subspace with respect to $A\subseteq\mathrm{End}(V)$ if $AW=\{aw:a\in A,w\in W\}\le W$.
In other words, what happens (via A) in W, stays in W.
hmm
rotation about an axis in (real) 3-space preserves the plane through the origin that is orthogonal to the axis, for example.
could we use $$\Gamma(z)=\frac{\Gamma(z+n)}{z(z+1)\cdots(z+n-1)},$$?
if $\Gamma(z + n)$ is close to $n! n^z$ I think it works
$$\Gamma(z+1)\sim\sqrt{2\pi z}\left(\frac{z}{e}\right)^{z},$$
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8:11 PM
Hi people of the math.
@WillHunting Hi Will!
@WillHunting Hi there
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@Melvin Your presence sends out strong waves to me, I don't know why.
Help.
@WillHunting Really? Fascinating!
8:12 PM
this is really nice
$$\ln \Gamma(z+1)= -\gamma z +\sum_{k=2}^\infty \frac{\zeta(k)}{k} \, (-z)^{k} \qquad \forall\; |z| < 1$$
Points Matt in the direction of anon, robjohn, ...
I need grief counseling.
Ah - I thought you wanted maths help
Points Matt in the direction of Old John, Will, ...
what has happened?
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8:13 PM
Points everyone to his heart.
@OldJohn I lost my teddy bear, some months ago.
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Geezis.
But I can't seem to get over it.
@MattN. Oh dear..that's awful
I feel so much loss :,(
8:14 PM
@MattN. so you need to find a new one ...
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Well, since you mention it, why is he so special to you?
You never replace a teddy!
@OldJohn I'm not sure this one is replace-able.
@MattN. darn :(
@WillHunting Can't explain.
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8:15 PM
@Melvin Hehe, I think you don't know what he is referring to!
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@MattN. Do you want to marry him?
@WillHunting now that you said that...i'm confused...
@WillHunting I already have someone else.
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@Melvin Yes, you need to be in this room for a few months to understand certain things we say here...
I don't like using log-convex and estimation and stuff to get the limit definition
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8:17 PM
@MattN. Ah, so it is not that kind of feelings.
Now how do I get rid of the feeling of loss?
Tequila and painkillers
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@MattN. So do you see him as a big brother or father or something like that?
@WillHunting I don't see how that follows but this is going off topic... : )
@WillHunting I see him as my teddy bear. On a more serious note: I haven't thought about how I see him. I'm too busy missing him.
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@MattN. Oh, it is clearly on topic. You said you lost him and you are trying to feel better by talking to us, so we need to know a thing or two.
8:19 PM
Maybe I should talk to a pint of lager.
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@MattN. Well, in whatever way you miss him, you need to find a replacement then or just go without it.
@MattN. I would "take" a pint of lager - rather talking to it :)
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@MattN. Don't get rid of it, it will rid itself in time to come.
@MattN. hmm..another pain to replace another... no it doesn't work... i still feel some pain...it gets less painful with time... but will hurt forever....
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8:21 PM
When unpleasant thoughts enter your mind, do not suppress them, let them enter and leave your mindstream naturally, maintaining equanimity throughout.
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Also, try to focus on other things and derive solace and joy from other sources.
@OldJohn Good idea. At it right now.
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Taking intoxicants is only a temporary relief that doesn't deal with the underlying problem.
@MattN. most of my better ideas are non-mathematical these days :)
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Finally, you can talk to the rest of us here if you miss him, though we can't be his substitute in your eyes.
8:23 PM
Someone once said to me:"no one is irreplaceble"
@WillHunting I know. But the loss comes in waves and today is a particularly bad day.
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@MattN. If he is just a "teddy bear" I cannot understand, unless "teddy bear" stands for something that is more than a "teddy bear".
@Melvin I thought that before but now I'm not sure about it anymore.
@WillHunting But... you know who we're talking about.
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Also, I guess you won't be emailing me @matt, but that is alright.
I have not decided.
8:25 PM
I don't know who we're talking about but i feel your pain
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@MattN. Yes, but I don't understand why he is so special! Because you haven't explained to us, which you don't need to.
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@Melvin Do you feel mine? I have been in pain my whole life, but that is my secret.
@WillHunting I feel your pain will, deep in my heart.
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@Melvin My name Will Hunting is chosen for a reason, I have similar experiences as Will Hunting.
@WillHunting okay, okay.
8:28 PM
@OldJohn Going to refill that pint.
@MattN. that was quick - I am still on my first glass of Rioja
@WillHunting what about you real name?
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@Melvin Ah, you will find out next week.
@OldJohn I'm thirsty.
@WillHunting i'm anxious
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8:29 PM
@Melvin Why are you so anxious? =)
@WillHunting why wouldn't i be?
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@Melvin I am just a random person on the internet! I am only a banana.
@OldJohn To stackexchange!
@WillHunting why people think like that?
@MattN. ?
8:30 PM
@OldJohn toast..
ah! - silly me!
@OldJohn I thought we're drinking together, so a toast seemed appropriate. Do you have a better one?
: )
you're a real person somewhere, with feelings, @WillHunting. people need love
I'm on my first mug of coffee. Can I toast too. ??
@MattN. not off-hand - that sounds good to me :)
8:30 PM
@JayeshBadwaik Hi jayesh! how are you?
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@Melvin Well said, now I feel some connection with you.
@MattN. Cheers. :D
@WillHunting All we need is love, love is all we need.
@Melvin Hi, I am holding up nice enough.
8:31 PM
Na Zdorovie!
@Melvin You?
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I think I shall have some tea now.
@WillHunting excellent!
8:32 PM
@OldJohn That is Russian and means "you're welcome". They don't use it to mean "cheers". In fact, they don't have a word for cheers, they always say toasts.
Or so I'm told.
Literally it means "to your health" - it is what my in-laws say when they knock back a vodka or three :)
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@old Did I tell you I finally reached 25k on Eng? Now I can retire from Eng!
@OldJohn Heh. The Russian explaining it to me had it all wrong.
@Melvin Ahh, nice.
8:34 PM
@JayeshBadwaik yeah..i think..... how's life, jay?
@MattN. not necessarily - Russia is an emormous country, and they have different customs in different places, I think
@WillHunting Congratulations!!
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@OldJohn Let's both aim for 10k on math now that we have 5k!
@Melvin Life is nice enough. Not terribly good, but chugging along. Howz yours?
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@JayeshBadwaik Hehe, yes, especially when you have an XXX, unlike me.
8:35 PM
@WillHunting yep - althoough I am not in a rush for that
@WillHunting uuuu jayesh also has XXX?
Good old alcohol. It always works.
@WillHunting Once I find a way to make a living from mathematics, I will retire from life. :D
@WillHunting ;-)
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@Melvin Well, he has an XXX, I want an XXX but have none, but at the same time I am also not in a position to have an XXX now, but I also lookout for potential XXX.
@JayeshBadwaik is XXX the one you mentioned couple of days ago?
8:37 PM
@Melvin yup.
@WillHunting maybe XXX finds you
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@Melvin XXX can stand for anything, just a dummy variable.
@Melvin In Soviet Russia?
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@WillHunting dude, it is the schrodinger's cat all over again. you can't know yes or no, unless you open the box.
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@Melvin That would be a miracle, but then sometimes miracles do happen.
8:38 PM
@MattN. hahaha. :D Alcohol hasn't dimmed your quick wit yet. ;-)
@WillHunting yes, of course! someone to shar your problems..maybe heal them...
@MattN. ;D
@WillHunting I need a miracle, too.
Be a miracle!
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@MattN. There can be miracles when you believe.
The problem with that is that I don't believe.
8:40 PM
If you just believe..if you just believe!
@MattN. I might have mis-remembered - maybe the in-laws actually said "za vashe zdarovye" (means nearly the same, I think)
@OldJohn : )
@MattN. My memories of Moscow were heavily clouded by masses of vodka
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You know, now I have a feeling that every regular in this room is a nutcase. =)
@OldJohn I can imagine. That's me stereotype of Russia.
@WillHunting I'm not a regular and I'm normal. Hence contradiction?
8:42 PM
"I ain't happy, felling glad, gotta sunshine in a bag feel useless, but not for long the future is coming on..."
@OldJohn Seeing as you call yourself old you are probably also wise. Do you have any advice on coping with loss?
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Well @melvin I might share some secrets with you when I get to know you more...
@WillHunting Thanks will.It will be a pleasure
I will open a new branch of psycology
@MattN. not sure anyone would call me wise - and not sure I have any easy answers to coping with loss, I'm afraid
"mathematical psycology"
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8:43 PM
Do you guys here say "I have fever" or "I have a fever"? Just a survey.
a specila psycologist to deal with mathematicians
@WillHunting The latter.
@WillHunting the former...
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@Melvin OK, may I ask which continent you hail from?
@MattN. apart from finding someone you can talk to about your loss - and probably not in a public forum like here, unfortunately
8:44 PM
@WillHunting america
@WillHunting definitely the latter
@OldJohn My friend! : )
@MattN. :)))
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@MattN. Yes, don't you have close friends in real life?
good night people.
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8:45 PM
@Melvin :-)
8:46 PM
@WillHunting I have a few and a few more who very much would like to be my friends but I don't like people. Why? Talkin' won't bring him back.
@OldJohn good night.
@JayeshBadwaik Didn't you just drink coffee? Good night.
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@MattN. Some people drink coffee to sleep!
@WillHunting Bizarre.
@WillHunting wtf???
after dinner i don't drink anything with caffeine.
nor anyhitn with estimulatings
8:50 PM
There are several ways. One is like this:\begin{align} f(z) &=\frac{z^2 - 2 i z + 3}{(z-2)(z^2+1)}\\ &=\frac{(z-2)^2+(4-2i)(z-2)+(7-8i)}{(z-2)((z-2)^2+4(z-2)+5)}\\ &=\frac1{z-2}\frac{(7-8i)+(4-2i)(z-2)+(z-2)^2}{5+4(z-2)+(z-2)^2} \end{align}
why such a beautiful formula
$\frac{e^{-\gamma z}}{z} \prod_{k=1}^\infty \left(1 + \frac{z}{k}\right)^{-1} e^{z/k}\,,$ comes from something so ugly $\lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{n! \; n^z}{z \; (z+1)\cdots(z+n)}$
@cassandra0 cause true beauty comes from simple things
@N3buchadnezzar Then you do a power series division.
where you least expect
@Melvin hi
8:52 PM
@WillHunting did you give a list of translations recently of the previous names of people in the chatroom?
@Melvin Chillin' ... you?
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@OldJohn Yes, I did.
@cassandra0 I think they are both equally beautiful
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@OldJohn I can give it again now.
8:53 PM
@WillHunting could you re-post it?
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cassandra0=jdoe=sperners lemma
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charlie=me and math
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skullpatrol=a dangerous idea=john junior
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old john=john senior
8:54 PM
WillHunting=...
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I am a banana.
...matt damon?
WillHunting = 1/0
Or was it di caprio?
They all look a bit the same.
@WillHunting thanks!!
8:55 PM
@OldJohn, I don't get the limit one, do you haveany views on it?
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@MattN. I prefer to be Taylor Lautner, ooh!
it could be derived from some estimates and log-convexivity, I didn't like that
@cassandra0 I just think the limit is just as nice as the infinite product - no other views
@WillHunting I like him too
8:56 PM
:(
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@Melvin Hehe, OK. But I am not gay.
@cassandra0 It is a very long time since I looked at things like beta and gamma functions
WillHunting = 1/(1/0)
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@OldJohn Is there an alpha function? I wonder...
@WillHunting never heard of one
8:58 PM
@WillHunting do you think i am?
I aways thought gamma was stupid because who cares about extending functions to non integers
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@Melvin I don't know.
@WillHunting wanna find out?
but it's actually really good
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@Melvin OK, you can tell us if you like.
8:59 PM
@Melvin Want to meet and have coffee?
@MattN. why not?
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Hehe...
Hoho...
I'm not gay. I just like to be kind with everyone.
@Melvin Touché. : ) As I pointed out earlier, I am with someone.
@Melvin How kind, exactly?
...
9:00 PM
@MattN. let's have a coffee three of us
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@Melvin You're not? For a moment I thought you were.
@MattN. kind. Nice. polite.
@WillHunting why?
are you homophobic?
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@Melvin Just from the way you talk above.
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@Melvin Of course not.
@WillHunting you said you suffered you whole life, wanted to make you feel better
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9:03 PM
Anyway, I am going to make some tea now.
@WillHunting i like tea
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@Melvin I think tea is better than coffee.
@WillHunting Me too
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Also, I prefer wine to beer, but some people here like whisky!
wine...
wine is nice
but i don't use to drink
9:06 PM
O.o
Me neither, alcohol is evil.
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@n3b Your exams are in Dec right?
Indeed
If you drink don't drive. or as people say:if you drive, don't drink. your drink may fall.
@WillHunting 01, 05 an 12
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@Melvin I think I drink less than a bottle a year.
9:07 PM
@Melvin I thought it was "Don't drink and derive."
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@N3buchadnezzar They should just make it 1,2,3 and be done with it.
@WillHunting i don't use to drink bottles...
@Melvin I don't drink and drive - I can't afford both beer and petrol
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@MattN. Just drink and integrate!
@OldJohn GReat!
9:08 PM
@MattN. Drink and derive works exellen, done that a plethora of times.
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@OldJohn HAHAHAHAHA
@WillHunting Not differentiate -- derive!
if you wanna drink, stay home, drink as much as you want. at least you're home
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@MattN. Yes, I know the pun, and I created another too, integrate (with someone), hehe.
@Melvin Not when you wake up
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9:10 PM
Hey @amwhy Congrats on getting 9k! =)))
i always been afraid of living alone beacause of that. what if something happens to me? i will die alone? and people only will miss me days later and my dead body startsto stinks?
Absinth is good though =)
@N3buchadnezzar Van gogh liked it. his painting was influenced by it
@Melvin No matter how much you drink, you will always wake up at home. Seriously. The human ability to find its way home, is stronger than any other human urge ^^
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@Melvin It is van Gogh, not Van gogh.
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9:12 PM
Oh, I have to walk 2 miles, over a field, then through some sticky bushes and crawl through a bog to get home? No problem! I am drunk!
@WillHunting you understood.
i'm afraid to lose my way home when i'm normal... imagine drunk...
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@Melvin He is also a poor soul, suffered like shit and then died.
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@WillHunting he was killed
@WillHunting i really like him
mainly starry night
9:15 PM
@WillHunting A friend of mine drank a lot, and a chick wanted to go home with him. Then we asked if he wanted some water. He then suddenly seemed to realize he was intoxicated, and replied "No, I am drunk and need to go home". Then he promptly walked home, alone.
What happened to Johannes?
geez
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@N3buchadnezzar Good, now the girl can go home with me.
9:16 PM
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@WillHunting Proves that the ureto get home, sometimes is stronger than the sex urge
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Well, probably halfway through RH now.
@WillHunting I see.
9:17 PM
^^
@WillHunting RH?
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@aDangerousIdea Riemann Hypothesis, just a joke.
@WillHunting So, no idea?
@WillHunting More likely a bottle of Glenfiddich
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@aDangerousIdea Well, I haven't talked to him, but it's not like people need to be here all the time.
9:20 PM
@aDangerousIdea I see he on fb from time to time, so possibly not dead.
Most likely just figured he had to work, instead of procastinate in chat.
He is a cool dude...
@Melvin He is a cool guy. It is not like people suddenly loese their cool satus, just because do not wish hang around in chat.
tb <3
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9:23 PM
Bananas are the most cool...
Jonas?
But we don't the pleasure of their company :(
@WillHunting What about liquid nitrogen, that is pretty cool.
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@N3buchadnezzar I prefer the company of XXX.
@Melvin Yes.
9:24 PM
hmm
What are the complex fourier coefficients of the function $f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}$ defined by the $2\pi-periodic$ continuation of $f(x)=\pi-x$ , for x $0\le x < 2\pi$ ? And how can one use that fact together with the Bessel equation to show that $$\sum \frac{1}{k^2} = \frac{\pi^2... what is the bessel equation? Any quick counter example to$$ \lim_{x \to a} f(x) \cdot g(x) \neq \lim_{x \to a} f(x) \cdot \lim_{x \to a} g(x) $$When we are not looking at the L_2 space? 9:29 PM @N3buchadnezzar By the way - I was right about 1/(z-2) being its own Laurent series :) @OldJohn Its own laurent series about z=2? yep But f(z) = 1/(z-1)(z-2) ;) @N3buchadnezzar what is f(z)? - you asked for the Laurent series for 1/(z-2) hello, does anybody have a second to help me out with a terrible easy question? 9:33 PM @OldJohn Ops, my bad... @JustDanyul what is the question? basically, I been revisiting my old course notes, the idea was to try and convert them to english and have some fun revisiting my days of studying. Apparently, I gotten quite thick in the 15years time since I wrote them. @N3buchadnezzar no worries :) - I was just beginning to doubt my understanding :) @JustDanyul yes - but what is the question? @OldJohn well, I only just gotten up to inverse functions. And I'm struggling to understand my notes about checking if a function is symmetric around y=x @OldJohn, my notes claim that if I can swap the x and y in the function, and end up with the same equation, its symmetric around y=x @JustDanyul yep - that would be true 9:37 PM What properties does the L^2 space have? @N3buchadnezzar what sort of properties are you looking for? Continous and bounded @N3buchadnezzar how can a space be continuous? I meant all functions living in the L^2 space. Sorry I thought capital L was reserved for functions, and little l was reserved for refering to sequences. Hmm - from what I remember, functions in L^2 need not be continuous or bounded 9:41 PM Wikipedia says, that it is both a hilbert space, and complete so? Yep - it is a Hilbert space and complete Okay, let me give you my question in full ^^ I am looking at when it is allowed to do the following$$ \lim_{x \to a} f(x) g(x) = \lim_{x \to a} f(x) \cdot \lim_{x \to a} g(x) $$I am wondering what sort of restrictions need to lie upon f and g, and possibly what space these functions must lie in. hmm - tricky that would certainly be true for continuous functions - but I can't see why it should be true for L^2 functions @N3buchadnezzar you could take f and g so that f(x) goes to infinity as x approaches a, while g approaches 0 as x approaches a, while fg is constant @N3buchadnezzar Haha Bye everyone. 9:53 PM @OldJohn Yeah, that is what i did @MattN. Bye matt, take care! Oh fuck!I don't know what's wrong with it! What is the rational irrational function called again? @N3buchadnezzar I can never remember its name - only what it looks like :)$$f(x) = \left\{ \begin{array}{cccl} x & \text{if} & x & \text{is irrational} \\
0 & \text{if} & x & \text{is rational} \end{array} \right.