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00:12
@Argon How was dinner?
@WillHunting Yummy
@WillHunting Do you have breakfast before you go to sleep? :)
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@Argon Sort of. I am not sleeping yet.
@WillHunting It's late (early?)!
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@Argon How many more years before you go to university?
@WillHunting This and next.
user19161
00:15
@Argon OK, maybe you will end up doing math eventually...
@WillHunting Maybe. We will see!
I wouldn't want to disappoint you by not getting the Fields medal w/ Pedro!
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@Argon I might still get it though!
@WillHunting Don't forget to mention that you answered one of my trig questions!
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@Argon I will mention that you answered my e question!
@WillHunting Oh right, the $e$ one :)
@WillHunting I'm so close to proving the Riemann Hypothesis. I just need to show that all the non-trivial zeros of the $\zeta$ function have a real part of $\frac{1}{2}$.
Then my proof will be complete.
user19161
00:19
@Argon Same here, maybe we will work on it soon in UT in a couple of years...
:)
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It actually got cold enough for me to shiver after showering just now...
@WillHunting Come to Canada. Plenty of cold here.
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Gee, now people have to flag shut up as well.
user19161
00:23
@Argon So the Canadian girl and the French guy came here for exchange, met, went to US for grad school and now they are both living there. Interesting...
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@Argon In another room.
@WillHunting Oh :). English?
@WillHunting So?
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@Argon Nah, the gaming room, the bridge.
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@Argon Nothing, just saying. Because that's the Canadian girl I used to like.
oooh negative temperatures, zero you still here?
00:24
@WillHunting I know.
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@Greg Wassup?
Oooh i was just wondering about those negative temperatures
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Haha, is zero some chemistry expert?
He posted about negative kelvin, so i assume he knows something?
@WillHunting I don't see you in the "Bridge."
user19161
00:26
@Argon I chat with another Canadian boy in the Eng room, about your age...
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@Argon I get flag notifications from all rooms.
@WillHunting Maybe it is me?
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@Argon Spooky. His name is Matthew, not Aaron.
@WillHunting Hmmm... Maybe I know him :)
it would be really neat if the magnitude of something with negative kelvin temp had a energy distributions like a postive of the same magnitude, but when touching something with a positive temp, heat would flow into it, bringing it to zero kelvin or above
@zero Tell us about negative kelvin!
00:28
in English Language & Usage, 10 secs ago, by Argon
$$\pi=\cfrac{4}{1+\cfrac{1^2}{2+\cfrac{3^2}{2+\cfrac{5^2}{2+\cfrac{7^2}{2+\cfrac{9^2}{2+\ddots}}}}}}
=\cfrac{4}{1+\cfrac{1^2}{3+\cfrac{2^2}{5+\cfrac{3^2}{7+\cfrac{4^2}{9+\ddots}}}}}
=3+\cfrac{1^2}{6+\cfrac{3^2}{6+\cfrac{5^2}{6+\cfrac{7^2}{6+\cfrac{9^2}{6+\ddots}}}}}$$
@WillHunting
user19161
@argon Will I get to see what you look like?
@WillHunting I look like this: $\varphi$
user19161
@Argon Aww, OK. You can show me a pic some day if you feel like it.
@Greg I just posted the question in the Chemistry Stack Exchange Site stay tuned for further news. Didn't you go to the Wikipedia page?
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@Argon WTF are you doing?
00:31
@WillHunting Showing the English chaps how cool we are.
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@Argon I think they had enough of us...
@WillHunting meh
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@Argon By the way I turned off gmail chat, so only email.
@WillHunting I know. You told me
@WillHunting You are missing out on my awesome Perl status message.
user19161
@Argon Have you finished your homework?
user19161
00:33
@Argon What is that?
@WillHunting Yup
@WillHunting I made a short JAPH script
for funsies
@zero im reading K&K now
what is the tex editor that was featured in the banner image on MSE a while ago?
In this metal, the phase transitions occur at 560 pK and at -1.9 nK, respectively.
In rhodium, 280 pK and -750 pK have been reached; these are the current world records of low temperatures.
user19161
00:39
Wow, never knew something could reach negative kelvins.
There it is negative Kelivin temperature!
user19161
Next thing you know, the world ends in 2012.
Strange
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It is possible.
But true.
00:41
It's as strange as $i^2 = -1$
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So after 2012, when is the next prediction of the world ending?
@WillHunting 2013
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@Argon HAHAHAHA
Hmm looks like negative temps have been around since at least 2000
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@AbstractionOfMe Could it be LyX?
user19161
00:44
You know what? LyX is the worst editor!
The atoms move so slowly... they have a negative speed.
@WillHunting pourquoi?
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@Argon Because it is neither WYSIWYG nor WYSIWYM anymore but in between. If you wanna use TeX, stick to coding.
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Otherwise, just use Word. QED.
@WillHunting It's fine for my purposes.
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@Argon OK Padawan.
00:46
@WillHunting Hahahahaaa
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@Argon Yoda was one of my disciples.
Remember the laws of Physics are not scale invariant.
@WillHunting Hahahaa :) What about Gandalf?
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Oh man zero you seem to know everything!
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@Argon Same. I have disciples in different worlds.
user19161
00:49
@argon Do you know my favourite TeX editor?
@WillHunting None?
user19161
@Argon TeXworks. It just works.
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anon uses TeXworks too. =)
And you are both pros.
user19161
No, I am only a banana.
user19161
00:51
Bananas in pyjamas, that's a nice show.
Right here ^^^. Classic Jasper Loy moment.
:)
@WillHunting
when approaching zero from the negative side, T-> -0, eventually only the highest energy level is populated. Since heat is transferred from the warmer to the colder part when two systems are brought into thermal contact, negative temperatures are actually hotter than positive ones. The crystalline lattice and conduction electrons cannot be cooled to a negative temperature because in this case the energy spectrum has no upper bound: at T<0 the energy of the system would be infinite.
01:21
«Suppose there are surjective homomorphisms $G\to H$ and $H\to G$. Are $G,H$ isomorphic?» I could have sworn I've read about this problem before, but I don't remember the answer or any references.
user19161
02:02
@Argon Do you mean that I just vanished?
@WillHunting Nope. I meant random Bananas in Pajamas references.
@WillHunting Couldn't sleep?
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@Argon Yeah.
@WillHunting So you are back :)
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@Argon Haha, now you know why people in a cha room don't get each other.
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@Argon Anyway I am going to sleep now, see you in my dreams.
02:09
@WillHunting Alright. Good night, again.
Hey @Argon
@math101 Hey :)
@math101 Did you hit any bikers yet?
hahah I have been showing up late to work these days
Like at around 11
Late :)
The streets are relatively empty
at that point
02:14
We used to have late starts on Wednesday where we came to school at 10 AM....
But the stupid teachers union got rid of that right quick.
hahah
They drive me nuts
Maybe parents complained
So what are u gonna do when it starts snowing?
How will u get to school????????
We can't do anything. Its all just the union complaining about the provincial government. And taking out their anger on us (?)
@math101 As I always do :) I bike
wth
Bike in the winter????
You are funny :)
02:16
Yup. Did it last year and the year before
It gets a bit slippery when the slush in in excess Hahahaa'
Can someone here answer a question about power sets and the empty set?
@DavidK. Perhaps...
@math101 I used to bike home in the snow holding a bass clarinet!
But not anymore
OMG you play the clarinet
Yup
Bass
02:18
Cool
Heavy
lol ya I would say soo
I biked in hail once. Caught me on my way home
Well I feel like its a bit of a stupid question but... I am grading some homework papers and one of the exercises asks the student to prove that $\varnothing\not\in\mathcal{P}(A)\setminus\mathcal{P}(B)$. But is this true? I don't think it is.
Where $\mathcal{P}(A)$ is the power set of the set $A$.
@DavidK. It is true since the empty set is in every power set.
02:20
Well, the power set is a set right?
@DavidK. Certainly.
All sets contain the empty set as a subset. So shouldn't it be that the set containing the emptyset is not a subset of that set difference?
That's not what I meant. Hang on here...
Aw. You said a true statement though.
So, the empty set is both an element and a subset of a power set right?
@math101
02:24
Yes.
For any $A$ we have $\varnothing \in\mathcal{P}A$.
Your school is soo diverse @Argon
Which implies $\varnothing\in\mathcal{P}\mathcal{P}A\implies\varnothing\subseteq\mathcal{P}A$.
02:25
@math101 Ya
Well, Toronto is!
I see all different kinds coming out of there
hahah I agree
Hahahaaa
Are most of the students from that area?
Most. But lots of kids are in the gifted program or the advanced program
Ok. So the set difference of two power sets does not contain, as an element, the emptyset. But it does contain the emptyset as a subset. Yes?
02:27
Correct.
The second statement is true since differences are merely sets.
Damn. That means I have to regrade a bunch of papers. :( sadness
So you must be part of the gifted program and the advanced program :)
Well maybe not.
@math101 Not both. The advanced program
You can't be in both
02:29
gifted as in mentally challenged or musical?
Ok nevermind. I don't have to regrade. I thought several students had made the same 'mistake' but I was just losing my mind for a moment. @peoplepower
@math101 As in they excel at some stuff but not at other stuff...
Gotcha
Thanks for your help. That was quite confusing for a moment there.
@math101 They have it easy. We need a 75% average in all advanced courses to stay in the program. And they get free TTC tickets
Those gifties :)
02:31
Wait why dont you guys get the free TTC tickets?
@DavidK. You're welcome.
@math101 No idea :)
Not as if you need it :P
@math101 Nope hahaa
I gotta get to studying. I have been lazy all week
02:33
All right
Good night
Good Night
Maybe I will bump into you tom
I finish work at 3:30
Maybe
I'm out before then
hahah So then I guess our paths wont cross
Good Night
 
4 hours later…
06:12
hi @GarbageCollector
@zero: hi zero.
@zero: are you undefiined?
@GarbageCollector Zero is not undefined.
@GarbageCollector In fact zero is a well defined number.
@GarbageCollector are you undefined?
@zero Yes. I am undefined.
@GarbageCollector Why?
@zero: I have to take a bath first. See you later.
06:21
@GarbageCollector bye.
@zero Just a humorless joke from me.
np
 
2 hours later…
08:23
@anon Schroeder Bernstein?
08:56
@GarbageCollector do you have an answer for me to the question:

Why can you never divide by 0?
@zero Because for non-zero a divided by 0 produces b, $$\frac{a}{0}=b$$... wait...
@GarbageCollector Waiting...
$a=0 b$, for any $b$, $a=0$ that is contradictory to the assumption than $a$ is non-zero.
I should rephrase my sentence to be more mathematical style, but I cannot. :D
What I am saying is you can not write
$$\frac{a}{0}=b$$
because $\frac{a}{0}$ has no meaning.
So how can you say it equals b to begin with?
@zero: Just start with $\frac{a}{c}=b$. Assume $a$ is non-zero, and $b$ and $c$ are any numbers.
Consider the special case for $b=0$ in $a=bc$.
The you got the contradiction as mentioned above. :-)
09:16
@GarbageCollector But when you write $\frac{a}{c}=b$ it is because $a=bc$
@zero Is there another meaning?
@GarbageCollector You must start with a=bc to write a/b=c, correct?
@GarbageCollector Where would you normally look to find a meaning?
@GarbageCollector In a dictionary you would look up the definition, right?
The definition in Algebra of division reads: a/b= a*(1/b), b=/=0.
Now every real number except 0 has a reciprocal and can be written as 1/b
09:35
@aDangerousIdea Hmm, I don't know :D
@GarbageCollector 0 can not be written as 1/b because 0 times any number is 0, not 1.
@zero Very good reasoning.
Dividing by 0 would mean mutiplying by the reciprocal of 0.
But 0 has no reciprocal, because 0 times any number is 0, not 1.
Therefore, division by 0 has no meaning in the set of real numbers.
@garbagecollector Remember reciprocals are two numbers whose product is 1.
10:01
Honestly, @GarbageCollector did that make any sense to you?
I guess not...
@WillHunting hi there
user19161
@OldJohn Hi! I had to refresh my Chrome to see this. See how unresponsive it is.
@WillHunting something is very wrong with your setup, I fear :(
user19161
@OldJohn Yes, I don't think incognito mode has anything to do with it, or my perfectly fine hardware, or my internet connection. It's one of those strange things that happen to me.
user19161
10:06
For example, I have this strange pain whenever I jump from a high place and land. It is a sharp unbearable pain in my perineum.
I have some concerns about these 2 guys ...
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@OldJohn Haha, what kind of concerns? =)
@WillHunting hmm - maybe stop jumping from high places? :P
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With regard to the pain I mentioned I saw about ten doctors but nobody knows for sure.
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@OldJohn Yes, I just had to be downgraded then when I was in the army, which is why it mattered.
10:08
@WillHunting I suspect 2 accounts for one person ...
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@OldJohn Ah, I thought you were concerned they posted rubbish.
@WillHunting slightly concerned that the rubbish answer got accepted ...
@WillHunting and there are a number of similarities between them that make me think they are the same person
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@OldJohn Hmm, this has happened before. Anyway, I am not gonna bother about them!
@WillHunting Doesn't really bother me either - I just find it rather silly, but also slightly amusing
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@OldJohn It is also weird that one of them keeps using ! in his comments.
10:13
@WillHunting they both do!
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@OldJohn Haha.
and they both put dollar signs round individual parts of equations, rather than round the whole equation
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Hmm, very amusing...
Hey look, I have free internet!!
Looks free to me :)
10:22
@aDangerousIdea Heh. I am in a different city currently, staying in a hotel right now. The hotel has 200MB free internet usage in its Wi-Fi thing.
Thanks for the context :-D
@aDangerousIdea You're welcome. By the way, are you Parth from the chatroom before?
 
1 hour later…
11:27
@GarbageCollector Why can you never divide by 0?
@garbagecollector no scrolling back...
user19161
11:40
@aDangerousIdea Why did you change your username skullie?
@WillHunting hahahah
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@Charlie Nobody escapes me.
@WillHunting Nobody!!!
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@Charlie Except Charlie...
@WillHunting heheheheh
@WillHunting have 20 min before next lecture
user19161
11:43
@Charlie Wow, I am glad I ordered the book from amazon earlier, it has now gone up by 20 USD.
@WillHunting That's good news!
@WillHunting Jayesh is in mumbai...
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@Charlie I thought he went to Brazil to find you.
@WillHunting That certainly would be awesome!!!!
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@Charlie I think that would happen very soon.
@WillHunting Hope so! :D
11:48
@GarbageCollector So you like to pester other people, but when I do it to you, it is not so much fun any more is it?
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@GarbageCollector Your reasoning is fine.
@OldJohn I presume you've flagged the relevant bits?
Well @GarbageCollector ?
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@J.M. What a sudden entry!
@WillHunting It's like you aren't used to my modus operandi... :P
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11:51
@J.M. Wow, using Latin, so pretentious. =)
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@WillHunting It's shorter than "way of doing things", and I'm lazy as hell. :P
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@J.M. Also, shorter than mode of operation.
bye
@WillHunting hi!
I wanted to ask you something, will ask over mail probably. academic related.
12:14
@J.M. Not yet - should I do that?
@OldJohn Well, if you really, truly think there's monkey business going on...
@J.M. I would be pretty staggered if there were not, I think, having looked at style of questions, style of comments, whose answers are accepted, ... so I guess I ought to raise someone's awareness ...
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@JayeshBadwaik OK. But remember that I am only a banana.
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@OldJohn The most the mods can do is check the IP addresses and emails.
user19161
There is no one-one correspondence between IP address and user though, contrary to popular belief.
12:19
@WillHunting Yes - I assumed that would be the case - and neither of those is likely to be conclusive
@WillHunting Sure, I use Tor every so often...
@WillHunting yep -too easy to use vpn or Tor
@J.M. Me too very rarely
Still, not everybody is careful. At least, those dudes can be caught.
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For me, I have not done any evil deeds, so I don't have to worry about being caught. Naughty things yes, but not evil. =)
@J.M. I will flag it as possibly suspicious - without being overly aggressive about it, I think
12:21
@OldJohn It's all in the phrasing of the flag, sure. :D
@WillHunting I've done knotty things myself...
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@J.M. I have done many naughty things. Eg jaywalking ...
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Small things are fine, just don't do the big mistakes in life. =)
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I made a big mistake once in my life though, and luckily that did not have drastic consequences.
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I am beginning to love this MSE and this room. It is my home on the internet. =)
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@WillHunting emails are more conclusive, but most ISPs rotate IP addresses, so IP addresses are not as reliable for determining duplicate accounts.
user19161
12:32
@robjohn There is a nutcase on ELU who has hundreds of emails to create duplicate accounts while on suspension and continue posting.
@WillHunting yes, I was thinking of duplicate emails indicate duplicate accounts, but it is quite easy to get a lot of email addresses.
@robjohn Did you vote in the election?
user19161
Do you guys understand this question? math.stackexchange.com/questions/233527/…
12:35
@aDangerousIdea I did.
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@aDangerousIdea So now I should call you dangerous instead of skullie?
@WillHunting You can call me whatever you want pal.
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@aDangerousIdea So what inspired this name change?
I have a linear operator $L(f)$, and another operator $G(f)$ which is invariant under $L$ what I mean is $G(L(f)) = G(f)$. The operator $G(f)$ is not linear where as $L(f)$ is. I am kinda not able to figure out what I could do with this structure?
@WillHunting I guess he wants to find $x$ such that the denominator is a factor of the numerator
12:39
Hi @rob @Will @Old and dangerousidea
@RajeshD Where does this come from?
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@RajeshD Hi, long time no see...
@RajeshD hey!
long story @rob
yeah I have been a bit away @Will
@RajeshD hey there...
12:40
Hi @rob seeing u on chat after long time
@GarbageCollector hi
@zero hi tooo
@GarbageCollector Why can you never divide by 0?
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I am beginning to think that zero and adangerousidea are the same person...
12:46
@zero Can God divide any number by zero? :-)
@GarbageCollector Why don't you ask him?
@zero Because she cannot be asked.
user19161
Wait, didn't we already go through the zero thing a million times in this room?
A zillion, in fact.
@WillHunting No - infinity times :)
12:49
@Grarbage : Are you skull?
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@RajeshD No, skull is adangerousidea.
Can she create a rock she can not lift? @GarbageCollector
oops Garbage seems even dangerous
user19161
@RajeshD However, zero might be skull as well, I dunno.
@RajeshD Why?
12:51
@RajeshD Will is Jasper
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@zero Everyone knows that by now. =)
dividing aa number by zero is a dangerous idea, it blows up,
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@RajeshD Nah, it can't even be done.
@WillHunting But the God can :-)
user19161
@GarbageCollector So now Rajesh is your honey?
12:54
@zero No. Only Jasper is my honey!
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@GarbageCollector Haha, why are you replying to zero the question I asked?
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Is the screen messing with you?
@WillHunting ;-0
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@GarbageCollector I am not your honey, you should look for someone else...
@RajeshD It has been a while. Nice to see you back :-)
13:00
@WillHunting :-)
@robjohn Did you know this?
13:23
@WillHunting Call him "Dang"...
@WillHunting That^ would be a $\Huge\text{Dangerous Idea.}$
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@J.M. That is a dangerous idea.
"zero skull" would be a very interesting name...
user19161
This is not a real question. math.stackexchange.com/questions/233554/…
13:29
@zero I have seen it before.
@J.M. wouldn't you need to call him @adang?
user19161
@robjohn That sounds like a Malay name now.
@robjohn I suppose, for @-lerting purposes... :)
Heh... the last 5 of my answers have been accepted, but only two have gotten upvotes.
People find them the best answer, but not useful? :-)
@robjohn voting is certainly capricious ...
@OldJohn indeed ;-)
user19161
13:32
@robjohn Might be non-registered users though.
@WillHunting ah, good point.
@robjohn I posted an answer recently - the OP said it was the one that made most sense, it got most upvotes - and then accepted a different one :)
@OldJohn That is not uncommon. capricious indeed.
user19161
Capricorn is a zodiac sign.
@robjohn equally baffling are the 5 upvotes for my latest question :)
user19161
13:36
@OldJohn Is it not great?
@WillHunting yes, and goats are the epitome of capriciousness.
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@WillHunting It is a very obscure part of topology that I expected almost nobody to be interested in (although had a faint hope that someone somewhere might give a clue)
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@OldJohn People can upvote a question even though they may not totally understand or appreciate it.
@WillHunting Indeed
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For example, maybe I see XXX asked this question and I like XXX, so I upvote it! =)))
@WillHunting true
Must go - photography group - back later
user19161
So now the ticket question guy says there is tax and not all sales were taxed, which makes that all the more not a real question!
user19161
13:58
hi ... can anyone help with with this short Question.
given f(x) = sin(1/x) ... is |f(0)| <= 1 does intermediate value theorem apply here?

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