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yeah he probably is
Not probably. That is what is being done.
For any given $x$, the value of $f(x)$ depends directly on the value of $\varphi(x)$, which is determined by that limit.
ok 👍
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Q: Equivalent definition of existence of dense orbits for a homeomorphism in a dynamical system

TripleM115I am following the book A First Course in Dynamics: With a Panorama of Recent Developments (Anatole Katok and Boris Hasselblatt). Definition 4.1.3 in the book states: A homeomorphism $f: X \rightarrow X$ is said to be topologically transitive if there exists a point $x \in X$ such that its orbit...

what is an $f$-invariant set, and invariant set?
the book doesn't include a definition
@AlessandroCodenotti Hi! Sorry, I forgot to respond to this. I'm OK, still doing math. How have you been?
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I assume $f$-invariant for a subset $A$ in this context means $f(A) = A$, but I am not sure why this word was used twice
00:52
I think its just meant to be "non-empty"
@Jakobian The question defines a set to be $f$-invariant if $f^{-1}(A) = A$.
 
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@BenSteffan lol
 
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Can I have a counterexample for the following: If L/K is a field extension and V is a vector subspace of L that contains K, then V is a subfield of L (assuming 1 goes back into V)
nick: something like {a + b sqrt(2) + c sqrt(3): a, b, c in Q} is a Q-vector subspace of Q(sqrt(2),sqrt(3)) (or any field that contains this one, like R) that contains Q but is not closed under multiplication
maybe some work to do there but sqrt(2) sqrt(3) isn't in that set
for example
or {a + b 2^(1/3): a, b in Q} a similar example of smaller dimension (exercise, 2^(2/3) isn't in there)
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Huh it seems there is a concept of "imaginary Hausdorff dimension".
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Interesting, what would be a geometric meaning of "large imaginary dimension".
 
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@onepotatotwopotato Where are you seeing this?
I'm familiar with the idea of complex valued dimensions, but not complex Hausdorff dimension...
@XanderHenderson Uhh nowhere I just saw the title of this paper arxiv.org/abs/2010.16308 and guessed.
seeing it again, it seems I misunderstood the title.
does it even exist? @Xander
Interesting. I'm not really familiar with the area they are in, but it looks like they are relating spectral data to geometric data on Riemannian manifolds. I might need to look at that a bit more later.
@onepotatotwopotato does what exist?
complex Hausdorff dimension
@onepotatotwopotato Not to my knowledge.
@XanderHenderson that's good!
@XanderHenderson then what does an imaginary part of the complex valued dimension measure?
08:34
Hausdorff dimension is an infimum, so a complex valued Hausdorff dimension doesn't make sense to me. Which is not to say it doesn't exist, just that I didn't know what the definition would be.
@onepotatotwopotato In the context I know, the complex dimensions of a space describe a "geometric oscillation".
the reason why it does not make sense to you makes sense
Huh complex "fractal" dimension exists!
the paper I uploaded above is measuring the Hausdorff dimension of a Jordan curve in $S^2$ (as far as I know) and that Jordan curve has a fractal nature. It makes sense to talk about the complex fractal dimension of that Jordan curve.
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@BalarkaSen no worries! Still doing some kind of geometry? Are you doing a PhD now? I'm doing well, I'm also still doing maths, I'm a postdoc in Bologna now
 
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@nickbros123 Just take your favourite cyclotomic extension and the subspace spanned by 1 and one of the roots of unity you're adjoining
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what if I don't have a clear favorite
either of the two primitive third roots of unity over $\mathbb{Q}$ will do :)
 
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@PM2Ring I was playing around with GoL, and trying to stabilise too-large spaceships. This is what I came up with:
4b3o$3b5o$3b3ob2o$6b2o3$2bo3bo$o7bo$9bo$o8bo$b9o4$b9o$o8bo$9bo$o7bo$2b
o3bo3$6b2o$3b3ob2o$3b5o$4b3o! But searching for this pattern on ConwayLife search(https://conwaylife.com/ref/mniemiec/lifxsrch.htm) yields no results. Is this pattern too useless to be important, or are there any better search methods?
(The last ‘or’ was inclusive)
Also: 4b3o$3b5o$3b3ob2o$6b2o3$2bo3bo$o7bo$9bo$o8bo$b9o4$4b3o$3b5o$3b3ob2o$6b
2o!
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Let $S$ be an oriented surface with a conformal structure $c$. If $S$ is compact, by the uniformization theorem, it is possible to find a unique hyperbolic metric $g$ whose conformal class is $c$. But it seems if $S$ is not compact, for example $S$ has an infinitely many genus, then one might not be able to find a hyperbolic metric $g$ whose conformal class is $c$.
@SohamSaha It's not useless, but that strategy was investigated intensively, years ago. It's called a flotilla. conwaylife.com/wiki/Spaceship_flotilla Another approach is to build a "track" from still lifes or small period oscillators to stabilise the ships.
@SohamSaha A very interesting & versatile pattern is the Herschel. conwaylife.com/wiki/Herschel But maybe get some more experience playing with gliders & spaceships first. :)
If you're seriously interested in GoL, take a look at the Life Lexicon. conwaylife.com/wiki/Life_Lexicon Randomly browsing the Lexicon is a great way to become familiar with a lot of the standard patterns. Of course, the Wiki on the Conwaylife site is great, too. But the Lexicon is a bit smaller (at least, it was last time I used it), and its linear organisation makes it a little easier to study. IMHO.
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@PM2Ring Thanks for the links! :)
@PM2Ring the Life Lexicon is ordered alphabetically. Is there any other similar collection but ordered based on complexity?
15:35
@SohamSaha Kind of. There are some old collections of patterns, mostly oscillators, called "stamp collections". conwaylife.com/wiki/Stamp_collection
@PM2Ring thanks again
Using Herschel tracks, it's now possible to construct oscillators (and glider guns) of any desired period, above a minimum value. So some of those old oscillators aren't used much these days. But they're still of historical interest.
Another fun class of pattern is the rake conwaylife.com/wiki/Rake which is basically a mobile glider gun.
@PM2Ring I just found out about GoL a few years back, and have been trying to do something interesting with it. But I can’t even get started. So I just play around with random patterns in the LifeViewer hoping to find something interesting
Here are some of my early rake experiments. conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=92 That was over 15 years ago. I've forgotten so much...
@PM2Ring your profile icon on conwaylife looks cool :)
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@SohamSaha It can be a bit frustrating. Especially when you don't know the jargon. The Lexicon helps with that. And then the posts on the forum will be much more readable. :)
@PM2Ring Right. Thanks a lot for helping
:D
@SohamSaha Thanks. It's based on a glider reacting with a block to shift the block. I discovered it by randomly firing gliders at blocks.
Cool
‘Random’ seems to be the most useful tool for me rn
Strange to think so much revolving around such simple rules. RIP Conway, great man
A lot of random searches were done manually. These days, people tend to use scripts to speed up the process. But it's still a good idea to do manual searches when you're learning, to get a feel for what works.
@PM2Ring right
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FWIW, Conway was a bit annoyed that GoL got so much publicity, when he did so much other stuff. But Life made him famous to a much larger circle than any of his other stuff could have done. ;)
All the standard still life patterns can be constructed via glider collisions. That allows you to build just about anything from gliders.
Hitting blocks with gliders was a good idea. Found that we can get a pi heptomino too
@PM2Ring ah that’s called glider synthesis right?
@PM2Ring is that a proven fact or just empirical evidence?
@SohamSaha Right.
There are 71 distinct 2-glider collisions. See conwaylife.com/wiki/2-glider_collision
@SohamSaha There are "programmable" constructors that read their instructions from a tape. And in fact, you can program such a constructor to build a replica of itself. Of course, it's a little more efficient to make a self-replicator that's not universal.
And programmable constructor has a glider synthesis?
Then everything can be built from gliders…
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Gemini replicates itself using glider synthesis. Also see conwaylife.com/wiki/Chapman-Greene_construction_arm
I read about the Neumann self-replicating systems somewhere. So this shows that we can simulate such systems in GoL?
Yes, anything can be built from gliders. But what's really elegant is to construct stuff from glider salvos, that can "fly in" to the construction site. Rather than having to manually place the gliders into configurations that they cannot just glide into.
@SohamSaha Definitely.
But they aren't fast. Eg, Gemini takes 33,699,586 generations to replicate.
@PM2Ring hm…
Wow, a pulsar from a head on collision between two MWSS!
@PM2Ring Related Q: Is there any alternative to LogicLifeSearch software for windows?
@SohamSaha I have no idea. I haven't touched Windows for years. And I haven't done much Life stuff since 2010, so I'm not up to date on the latest search software.
What are you using to run Life patterns? Golly?
LifeViewer, online
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Oh, ok. It might not have the resolution to show these patterns properly, but take a look at conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74#p213
@PM2Ring Ok, seems like I can’t decompress gz easily on iPad. Will try on pc later
Unfortunately, LifeViewer is a bit limited on a phone. I guess I should install the Android version of Golly...
It’s running! But slowly
Absolutely wonderful! @PM2Ring
@SohamSaha Well, it's got to do a lot of work. Golly is much faster, since it has the hashlife algorithm, which speeds up calculation of patterns containing a lot of repetition in time or space.
@SohamSaha It probably looks better in monochrome. :)
Looks like there golly for ios too
@PM2Ring would try later on desktop golly
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And scale it so 4 cells fill 1 pixel.
Ok
@PM2Ring gotta run now. It was nice talking to you (as usual)
and thanks for all the help
See you later!
Bye!
@PM2Ring one last thing: In the Marilyn code, the gliders are going around and getting reflected between two reflectors and somehow they are being ‘copied’ when they reach the output section right? And the gliders sequences getting reflected around are the ‘1’s and ‘0’s for a single row in the image?
In Rudin's PMA, when he proves the Stirling formula, i.e. $$\lim_{x\to\infty}\frac{\Gamma(x+1)}{(x/e)^x\sqrt{2\pi x}}=1,$$ he defines a continuous function $h(u)$ such that $h(u)\to\infty$ as $u\to -1$ and $h(u)\to 0$ as $u\to\infty$. Then he derives an integral expression for $\Gamma(x+1)$ in terms of the function $\psi_x(s)$ defined in the screenshot. He claims this function converges uniformly on $[-A,A]$ for every $A<\infty$.
I think I know which theorem in the book he uses to justify this claim, however, that theorem deals with sequences of functions, whereas here it seems we have a function that is indexed by a continuous variable $x\in (0,\infty)$. How can I deal with this?
It's causing me some confusion that we have $\psi_x$ and not $\psi_n$, where $n$ is a natural number.
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@SohamSaha Yes. Here are some smaller inverting reflector-based memory loops: conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=81#p275
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@psie could one simply say that if $$\sup_{s\in[-A,A]}\left|e^{-s^2}-\psi_x(s)\right|\to0$$as $x\to\infty$, then the convergence is uniform?
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Is this correct ?
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it's profound
moving, even
I am reminded of malevich
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I am asked to show that if $A \cap B$ be nonempty then $\sup A \cap B \leq \inf \{\sup A, \sup B \}$
When I go ahead and do that I don't really seem to use the hypothesis that $A \cap B$ nonempty at all...is it embedded in me asserting (tacitly) that $\sup A \cap B$ exists at all?
My proof: We have for all $x$ that $x \in A \cap B$ implies $x \in A$ and $x \in B$, so that $x \leq \sup A$ and $x \leq \sup B$. That is, $\sup A$ and $\sup B$ are upper bounds for $A \cap B$. Then by definition of the supremum we must have $\sup A \cap B \leq \sup A, \sup B$, so that $\sup A \cap B$ is a lower bound for $\{\sup A, \sup B\}$, whence, by definition of the infimum, we must have $\sup A \cap B \leq \inf \{\sup A, \sup B\}$.
@psie I've been stuck for hours now :( does anyone have a hunch, just a hunch, of what it means for $\psi_x(s)$ to converge uniformly to $\psi(s)$, where $x$ varies continuously, not just in the naturals?
@EE18 you don't need the assumption at all, assuming the usual $\sup \emptyset = -\infty$.
(as you should verify for yourself)
if you do not use that convention, then existence of the sup is the obvious issue, yes
Sorry Ben, I should mention: we are in an arbitrary poset $X$ here
$A,B \subseteq X$
in an arbitrary poset, there is no reason for sup of anything to exist
are you? well the convention still works
but yeah,
I doubt this is true in an arbitrary poset without some completeness assumption
if it is true then certainly the existence of $\sup A \cap B$ wants to be justified
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I guess what I'm trying to ask is, in the context of this question, why do the authors specify $A \cap B$ nonempty? My thought was that we want to specify $A \cap B$ has a supremum at all but, as you point out THorgott, the nonemptiness of $A \cap B$ is nowhere near enough to guarantee this
So it seems odd to mention it at all
clearly the authors are not working in an arbitrary poset...?
where did you find this?
Problem 6c in Chapter I.3 of Amann and Escher's Analysis I
key phrase is assuming the relevant suprema and infima exist
so it comes down to what I said above: either you're happy to either assume your poset has a minimal element $-\infty$ or to adjoin such an element to it and define $\sup \emptyset := -\infty$, or you leave it undefined, which should answer your question
Perhaps I am being obtuse (quite possible), but my question is the following: if $\sup A \cap B$ exists (as per "assume all relevant suprema/infima exist" then isn't $A \cap B$ being nonempty immaterial? i.e. the result then holds either way?
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Immaterial? No, but if you work under the assumption that $A \cap B$ has a supremum and that $\sup \emptyset$ should be undefined then it follows from a suitable reading of "assuming the relevant suprema and infima exist"
splitting hairs, anyhow
the authors seem to feel a need to highlight this special case
which is kind of them, since the yoga of the empty set is usually left to the reader :)
pie
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Can you recommend a well-known book on numerical analysis, similar to how Stewart's or Thomas' Calculus is for calculus?
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"left adjoints are right exact, right adjoints are left exact. left adjoints are right exact, right adjoints are left exact. left adjoints are..."
my greatest pride as a mathematician is that I can reliably remember that right adjoints commute with limits and left adjoints with colimits
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the latter is easy, the former is hard
one thing I never remember correctly is whether left or right exact functors preserve projectives resp. injectives
now the real question is whether you can tell me what final, cofinal, initial and coinitial means
 
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Q: Uniform convergence in the proof of Stirling's formula by Rudin

psieThere are some related questions, e.g. here (but with no answer). I'm concerned about the proof of Stirling's formula in Rudin's PMA. I've spent a good portion of the day trying to figure out with what tools presented in the book so far I can best understand this. For a full overview of the part ...

Final means last, and I have it on good authority that putting a co- on something makes it go the other way, so cofinal must mean first. Similarly, initial means cofinal means first, and coinitial means cocofinal message final means last.
Duh
@Thorgott I have no clue what exact functors do, but those are easy
@AlessandroCodenotti not in category theory, unfortunately
these are 4 terms, with only 2 possible meanings, but there is no agreement of which 2 terms to use and for what meaning
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They are easy in set theory
Reason #999 to be doing set theory rather than category theory
so you get gems like "What we call cofinal is called
final, what we call coinitial is called cofinal,"
and I haven't even mentioned the option of calling them left/right cofinal yet
@Alessandro "Traditionally, final functors were called ‘cofinal functors’; but this use of ‘co’ is potentially misleading as it has nothing to do with dualization — it is derived from the Latin ‘cum’ rather than ‘contra’ — and so it is now generally omitted."
(unfortunately, this quote is from an older reference when the name 'final' was the prominent choice, but then HTT came out and reversed the conventions again)
speaking of awful conventions, @Ben it's killing me that Lurie denotes operads by $\mathcal{LM}$ or $\mathcal{BM}$ and then goes ahead and talks about the monoidal $\infty$-category $\mathcal{M}$
Left and right are difficult in all fields. Some people call the the left uniformity what other people call the right uniformity
it's all just different flavors of sign errors :)
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Hi
@Thorgott well, $\mathcal{M}$ is consistent with his usual notation: mathcal for $\infty$-categories
yeah, but he could use a different letter
he also uses $\mathcal{M}$ for a correspondence to boot
anyway, how do I internalize this approach to the bar construction without losing my grip of reality
@Thorgott $\mathcal{C}$ was clearly taken, and then the next letter is obviously $\mathcal{M}$...
@Thorgott that is a very good question I am also coincidentally facing
let me point you at Yuqing Shi's thesis dspace.library.uu.nl/bitstream/handle/1874/431446/…
he wants to use $\mathcal{M}$ for the fiber of $\mathcal{C}$ over $\mathfrak{m}$, but I'll cease complaining
5.2. A quick course on ∞-operads. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 124
5.3. Operadic Koszul duality. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 147
chapter 5 of that is basically all the relevant theory from HA collected, abbreviated and sorted through for your convenience
operadic koszul duality revolves around the bar construction
so it should hopefully contain most of the material you need
well, okay, let me actually check what Lurie does
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I'm not sure if that is more or less scary lol, but I'll definitely check it out
the issue is that Yuqing develops the theory for a model of $\infty$-operads with values in other $\infty$-categories
I just need an intuitive description of the inverse equivalence in the recognition principle for the handwaving "Discussion" section in my thesis, but the ideas are currently drowning in a sea of formalism
@BenSteffan oh yeah, you mentioned that before
okay the HA section on this looks absolutely horrible
theoretically speaking approach from the thesis and the approach from HA should be equivalent (although I believe this is a pretty recent result)
the definition of $\mathbf{Tens}^{\otimes}$ makes me wanna exit via the nearest window
does it make you tense :^)
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heh

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