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oh my god its jason bornology
01:18
To find the interval of increase & decrease for $f(x)=2x^2-8$ do I need to find the first derivative? I have never needed to do this before.
 
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vulpes the question is at least arguably missing context but yes, if i had to guess what to do, it would be to find f'(x) and use the formula for that to indicate where f'(x) is positive and where f'(x) is negative
because the graph of f is particularly simple, it is very possible to answer this particular question without calculus, but calculus provides the general machinery that would answer questions of this type
03:00
@VulpesInculta Do you need to? Not at all. Indeed, as @leslietownes points out, there are ways to do this without calculus that are probably simpler: the function is a parabola, given by $f(x) = 2(x^2 - 4)$. That is your basic parabola, shifted down four units and scaled vertically by a factor of two. It is symmetric about it's vertex, which is at $(0,-4)$, so it decreases on $(-\infty,0)$, and increases on $(0,\infty)$.
But you can use the first derivative, instead, if you like.
yeah i was thinking, in the context of california state standards you could ask this question after people did 'graphs and transformations' in algebra 2
@leslietownes Yeah, and it is a major emphasis of the current precalc curriculum at UCR, which is also being rolled out at a number of CCs where former UCR grad students were hired.
(There's a grant of some kind.)
I really wish that folk emphasized transformations more in instruction. It is such a nice concept for understanding what the hell is going on, and it generalized in some really nice ways (e.g. in linear algebra).
03:15
surprising how much life boils down to things like completing the square and squares being nonnegative
03:41
Yet when asked what the square root of 4 is, people still answer "plus or minus 2"
04:04
in this clip from University Challenge, he asks "What are the two possible answers to the calculation 5 plus the square root of 4?"
"7 and 3 is correct"
5 + √4
04:19
If you don't know which branch is used 3 and 7 are the possible answers
"plus the square root of 4" tells which is being used
√4≠±2
Ikuk, but they don't know
Question should be closed because it needs more details and clarity
@SineoftheTime The notation $5 + \sqrt{4}$ means $5+2$. This is unambiguous. Comments about branches of the square root are only going to confuse people.
04:30
💯✅ sure it's a trick question, that is a trick question TV show
There are contexts in which one might need to consider branches of the square root in order to evaluate $5+\sqrt{4}$, but in any such context, that will be spelled out from the start.
@think_meaning_buildß That would be "further context".
Though I would argue that it is misleading to then say "the" square root.
The question should read "What are the two integers which described by the notation 'five plus radical four'?" or something like that.
The choice of article argument is what it all boils down to, yes.
"the" vs "a/an"
Lest we go further into the nth roots.
04:59
I woke up at 7 am today
Hopefully I will make it to 4 am in a week
3 hours is a lot to cut back
~½ hr less sleep per day adds up fast
05:45
Hi. Does anyone know about a good blogging website where I can write posts that natively support MathJax (or LaTeX), while also getting subscribers to the blog (like a newsletter)?
06:32
@leslietownes I want to learn this one day
 
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08:32
@SohamSaha does blogger count?
08:50
@SoumikMukherjee I slept at 10 pm and woke up at 7. This sleep early thing is not working for me. If I sleep at 1 I still wake at 7
 
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10:21
Let $\mathcal L$ be the Lebesgue $\sigma$-algebra and $\overline{\mathcal B}(\mathbb R^d)$ be the completed Borel $\sigma$-algebra with respect to Lebesgue measure $\mu$. Showing $\overline{\mathcal B}(\mathbb R^d)\subset \mathcal L$ is straightforward; the other direction is trickier I think. My book does the following (I'm paraphrasing).
> Let $A\in\mathcal L$. Without loss of generality, assume that $A\subset (-K,K)^d$ for some $K>0$. Then $\mu^\ast(A)<\infty$ and for every $n\geq1$ we can find a countable collection $(R_i^n)_{i\in\mathbb N}$ of open rectangles such that $$A\subset\bigcup_{i\in\mathbb N}P_i^n,\quad\sum_{i\in\mathbb N}\operatorname{vol}(P_i^n)\leq\mu^\ast(A)+\frac1n.$$
@handan_toddler yes
> We assume that the boxes $P_i^n$ are contained in $(-K,K)^d$ (the intersection of an open rectangle with $(-K,K)^d$ is again an open rectangle). Set $$B_n=\bigcup_{i\in\mathbb N}P_i^n,\quad B=\bigcup_{n\in\mathbb N}B_n.$$
> The author goes on to show that $A\subset B\in\mathcal B(\mathbb R^d)$ with $\mu(B)=\mu^\ast(A)$ and similarly, that there exist a $B'\in \mathcal B(\mathbb R^d)$ such that $B'\subset A$ and $\mu(B')=\mu^\ast(A)$. Thus there are Borel sets $B,B'$ such that $B'\subset A\subset B$ with $\mu(B\setminus B')=0$ and this shows $A\in\overline{\mathcal B}(\mathbb R^d)$.
Question Why can we assume without loss of generality that $A\subset (-K,K)^d$ for some $K>0$?
@nickbros123 oh
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Q: Completed Borel $\sigma$-field is equal to Lebesgue $\sigma$-field; Le Gall

psieI'm reading Measure Theory, Probability and Stochastic Processes by Le Gall. In Proposition 3.7, the author proves that the Lebesgue $\sigma$-algebra $\mathcal L$ is the same as the completed Borel $\sigma$-algebra $\overline{\mathcal B}(\mathbb R^d)$ with respect to Lebesgue measure $\mu$. Showi...

Fixed a typo above. Any help is appreciated.
11:35
@psie i'm not 100% sure i understand the source of the difficulty. however one has defined overline{B}(R^d) it should not be too much work to verify that it is a sigma algebra (i.e. closed under countable unions). any subset A of R^d is the union over n of A intersect (-n,n)^d, so to show A is in some sigma algebra (any sigma algebra, not just the one you're focused on) it would suffice to show that each A intersect (-n,n)^d is
i haven't rendered that latex or clicked into the question you posted on main however so i may be missing something :)
@leslietownes oh, ok, that's an aha moment there for me :) thank you leslie! I think I understand now. The "without loss of generality" is more a statement of "it suffices to show". Thank you!
The author is basically showing that A intersect (-n,n)^d is in overline{B}(R^d), yes, and then since the sigma algebra is closed under countable unions, we have that A is in overline{B}(R^d). Makes sense.
yeah, and in general it is not an 'if and only if' kind of thing, e.g. one might be able to define some sigma algebra on R^d where some set A is in it despite none of the sets A intersect (-n,n)^d being in it. but the borel/lebesgue/whatever example you're focused on, that does not happen
yeah
12:34
@nickbros123 Yes, I hadn’t seen previously that it supports HTML editing. Will try it out. Thanks
12:46
Happy new year !
13:24
Happy New Year
 
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14:42
Let $U, W \subseteq V$. Show that $(x + U) \cap (y + W)$ is either empty or of the form $z + U$ for $z \in V$.
Assume that $x + U = y + W$. I've shown before that then $U = W$ and so this becomes $x + U = y + U$. Now assume that $x + U \neq y + W$. Assume that there is a $z \in (x + U) \cap (y + W)$. We will show a contradiction. Since $z - x \in U$, $$x + U = x + (z - x) + U = z + U$$ and since $z - y \in W$, $$y + W = y + (z - y) + W = z + W.$$
Since $x + U \neq y + W$, it now follows that $z + U \neq z + W$ and so $U \neq W$. But how does this help?
It should be $z + (U\cap W)$, not $z+U$
Oh $U$ and $W$ should be the same
Or else this doesn't hold
That makes things easier haha
 
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16:17
There is some difference between $V/U = \{v + U \mid v \in V\}$ (set of cosets) and $V + U$ (sum of subsets) yet at the same time they feel very similar
Well, the elements of $V/U$ are contained in $V + U$
16:40
Let $U, W \leq V$ be subspaces. Consider the restriction of the canonical projection $\pi_U\mid_W: W \to V/U$. Then $\operatorname{Image}\left(\pi_U\mid_W\right) = (U + W)/U$. Why is it not $W/U$?
$W/U$ is not defined, strictly speaking
@Thorgott Yeah, it's not necessarily defined if we don't know that $U \leq W$.
But why does that allow us to say the image is $(U + W)/U$?
We could aswell split it into two cases or something like that
well, you have to think about that
@ILikeMathematics the elements of $V/U$ are subsets of $V+U$, if you will (although I don't think that's necessarily a helpful perspective), but they're not elements of $V+U$
True, thanks
@Thorgott So we can generally say that $V/U = (V + U)/U$, right? Since $V/U = \{v + U \mid v \in V\}$ and $(V + U)/U = \{v + u + U \mid v \in V, u \in U\} = \{v + U \mid v \in V\}$
well, my point is that $V/U$ is only defined if $U\le V$, but in that case $V+U=V$
but you are making the important correct observation, yes
I think this is just an issue of getting caught up in notation
16:55
@Thorgott Assume $U$ is not a subset of $W$. We have $\pi_U|_W: W \to V/U$ and we need to express the image somehow. We can say $(W + U)/U$ since $U$ will be a subset of $W + U$. Also, this will be the same as the set $\{w + U \mid w \in W\} [= W/U]$.
[] because we aren't really allowed to say that but that's what we want
Is this the idea?
yes, and the second description should make it clear that this is exactly the image of $\pi_U\vert_W$
 
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19:20
this abstract tells me literally nothing
this feels off
have you looked at the paper? looks like it was produced by a chatterbot
@leslietownes it sounds like the author is trying really hard to convince people to consider Cantor cube $\{0, 1\}^\kappa$ for $\kappa >\aleph_0$ instead of the Cantor set. Who knows why or what for
> In the history of mathematics, there are many instances of exotic mathematical objects which have found extensive application in physics
it reads like the ravings of an unstable person
if it appeared somewhere reputable i would regard it as a stain on the reputation of the journal, but for all i know this publication is a paper mill
I need to consult my friends in the physics chat with this gem
@leslietownes I mean. This underwent review I would think?
would you think? i don't know anything about the journal or its editorial board
19:30
yeah. Because it's on springer
oh, haha. i wouldn't assume anything on the basis of that
springer has all of the incentives that paper mills do, receive hard currency, provide published articles
i have no idea what their operations are but i'd expect that outside of some internal "top tier" of stuff they do, the oversight is minimal, maybe limited to reviewing who is on the editorial board
would make sense
the article sounds like someone really eager to justify studying niche topology but giving no reason to do so
i don't even get that out of it, it looks like pure crank stuff
well, niche, I shouldn't say that. Just not "applicable" topology
someone mish mashing definitions with statements that lead nowhere
19:37
where applicable means, in physics for example
@leslietownes yeah. It's like a student in high school trying to complete an assignment so they bloat it with words that ultimately mean nothing
i don't want to sound too elitist, haha, most academic papers including my own basically amount to nothing in the grand scheme of things
but this paper is lacking any hallmarks that a person has any regard for their audience, i don't even see anything set out as a theorem, let alone offered as a purported proof
its just word salad with citations to "real" things
I don't think it's supposed to be a paper in mathematics
or maybe it is... hm.
it sounds like an idea that the author came up with while having a blunt
and decided to follow it through into a paper
the slums of academic publishing are really bad places but i can't be too harsh because sometimes those journals publish real papers too
When was the first realization that holonomy detects curvature?
I found an error on the wiki page "monodromy theorem"
they say "endopoints" where it should be "endpoints"
19:54
Let $d\in\mathbb N$ be fixed and let $a_j,c\geq0$ be reals. What is $$\lim_{n\to\infty}\left(\prod_{j=1}^d\lfloor na_j\rfloor\right)\frac{c}{n^d}?$$The floor function there makes me unsure about what the limit is or even where to begin thinking about what it is.
the $c$ is obviously not uh, not needed
This is a translation of a Russian journal
And knowing how it works over there I am not sure if it was under review
My first papers only needed a "review" from my advisor
the limit of $\frac{\lfloor na_j\rfloor}{n}$ is always $a_j$, and since $d$ is fixed, this will be product of $a_j$'s times $c$
@Jakobian ah ok 👍 is the limit of $\left(\prod_{j=1}^d\lfloor na_j\rfloor+1\right)\frac{c}{n^d}$ as $n\to\infty$ the same?
20:24
can someone tell me what E. K. van Douwen, (preprint) means
sounds like a paper they were given in some stage prior to publication, authored by ek van douwen
one step above "E. K. van Douwen, personal communication"
An unspecified preprint by E.K. van Douwen, naturally
Here is the list of papers: https://www.math.buffalo.edu/~sww/0papers/van_douwen_eric_k.html
maybe you'll find something relevant around the year of the publication of the paper
erectile dysfunction spaces
hell yeah i got that BDE (Boredom, Depression, Ennui)
20:32
@VladimirLysikov I think "Spaces without remote points" by van Douwen and van Mill might be what I'm looking for, since they address similar topic
or maybe not
What is the context of the citation?
not to harsh the vibe, but one time somebody told me and a coauthor that they had proved something and without asking for a proof we took their word for it and said they had done it in a paper
I am looking at an example of an $F'$-space which is a subspace of an $F$-space but not an $F$-space, in the article "On $F$-spaces and $F'$-spaces" by Dow
it's hard to explain so I'll just refer you to the write up here that I made
the only citation I could access was "An Extremally Disconnected Dowker Space" by Dow and van Mill
it revealed a lot, I've started to understand how this example works
but now I think either 1) there's a mistake or 2) I am misunderstanding something
the article I've been able to access proves that a $P$-space $X$ can be $C^\ast$-embedded in $E(2^\kappa)$ which is fine to me, but I have some problems
maybe the weight of $\beta X_\delta$ and $X$ where $X_\delta$ is the $G_\delta$-modification of compact Hausdorff space $X$ are somehow nicely related, but I don't know
I was thinking that perhaps my bound $w(\beta X)\leq 2^{w(X)}$ was too strong?
either way I have no access to the article to tell me why $E(2^\kappa)_\delta$ embeds as a (nowhere dense?) subspace of $E(2^\kappa)$
20:54
I don't know enough topology to help
And it seems impossible to find anything with all these P-spaces and F-spaces
i think it's time to email van douwen with accusations
I thought he's dead?
email his children with accusations
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21:06
@VladimirLysikov me neither
Here is the book for the reference [W], if this helps: ir.cwi.nl/pub/18573
it will, thank you
> Theorem Lebesgue measure on $\mathbb R^d$ is invariant under translations: for every $A\in\mathcal B(\mathbb R^d)$ and every $x\in\mathbb R^d$, we have $\lambda(x+A)=\lambda(A)$. Conversely, if $\mu$ is a measure on $(\mathbb R^d,\mathcal B(\mathbb R^d))$ which is finite on bounded sets and invariant under translations, there exists a constant $c\geq0$ such that $\mu=c\lambda$.
> Remark For every $a\in\mathbb R\setminus\{0\}$, the pushforward of Lebesgue measure $\lambda$ on $\mathbb R^d$ under the mapping $x\mapsto ax$ is $|a|^{-d}\lambda$. This is an immediate application of the theorem.
I'm trying to understand the remark and how it follows from the theorem. We have that the pushforward is $\lambda(f^{-1}(A))$ where $f$ is the dilation by $a$, but I don't see how the theorem applies here. Any help is really appreciated.
without thinking too deeply, maybe they are implicitly using that the pushforward is finite on bounded sets and invariant under translations and using some model case (e.g. the unit cube) to identify the value of c guaranteed by the theorem
@leslietownes yeah, I think you're on the right track :) I buy that the pushforward is finite on bounded sets since Lebesgue measure is (I think), but why is it translation invariant? Is it because $f^{-1}(A+x)=x+f^{-1}(A)$?
I'm just guessing here.
@psie well actually, the preimage of a bounded set has to be bounded too. Hmm.
21:19
well, are you just guessing? could you prove it? would the translation invariance of lebesgue measure imply that x + f^{-1}(A) has the same measure as f^{-1}(A)?
i agree with your implicit contention that f and f^{-1} are linear maps
i'm not sure i understand the remark as the best route to understanding the result that it claims, but a theorem like that reduces the comparison of translation invariant measures to the problem of computing the measure of any single set of nonzero measure
which is sometimes a useful thing
apparently van Douwen proved that weight of $\beta (2^{\omega_2})_\delta$ is $\omega_2\cdot 2^{\omega_1}$, so that I can $C^\ast$-embed my space $X$ into $E(2^{\omega_2\cdot 2^{\omega_1}})$ but I'm not sure if its any better
this use of C-starring for things that aren't C-star algebras is offensive
22:01
@leslietownes regarding your third question, it would, however, for the pushforward to be invariant under translation, we want $\lambda(f^{-1}(A+x))=\lambda(f^{-1}(A))$. And I'm not so sure how one verifies that $f^{-1}(A+x)=f^{-1}(A)$ for $f$ being given by $x\mapsto ax$ where $a\neq 0$.
@VladimirLysikov the article by Woods helped me get to an article of van Douwen where he calculates weight of $\beta X$. The bad news is that it's $\omega_2^\omega$ and its consistent with ZFC that it equals to $\omega_2$. So I might have by accident posed a hard set theory problem
And the details of method of van Douwen of embedding $P$-space into $E(2^\kappa)$ is still unknown to me as well
22:20
never mind, I think I understand now

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