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01:41
Has anyone belief in juggling sequences/ braids being found to have interesting questions in the topic that might be related to specific instances?
 
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09:01
@psie give me precise definition
 
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10:41
$y''+3y'+2y=\cos^4(t)$
how is it solved?
Pls
11:32
@Gian'sPizzeria $\cos^4 x=\frac 38+\frac 12 \cos(2x) +\frac 18 \cos(4x)$
@SineoftheTime thanks
I guess that handle should be named meme for engineers and not mathematicians..
clearly, $9=10$
11:49
@SineoftheTime Yep. There's a reason why $10-9=0!$
@Sahaj Exclamating and semantical consequences.
@Sahaj the most bothersome isn't math but the misplaced "how" here
12:14
With continuity from above, we require one of the sets to have finite measure. I'm wondering, if all sets have infinite measure and the measure is Lebesgue measure, does then the intersection also have infinite measure?
I know for e.g. counting measure on $\mathbb N$, this may not be the case.
My sad story got so sad that now I find it funny. There is a chess tournament happening in my institute today and tomorrow. I didn't know about it earlier. When I finally knew about it, the 3rd round had already started.
I registered, got paired in 4th round. My opponent didn't show up. In the next round my next opponent didn't show up either XD
I withdrew
From the tournament
@psie maybe I should get specific; we have a set $E$ and the sets in question are the union of the dyadic cubes that intersect $E$. These dyadic cubes have vertices in the lattice $(2^{-k}\mathbb Z)^n$ and side length $2^{-k}$. So that union decreases as $k$ increases.
12:31
@SoumikMukherjee that's sad
Tomorrow there will be 4 rounds, even if I win all of them, 6/9 won't be enough to win the tournament
How to do ii)?
@SoumikMukherjee Rip.
Last year, I couldn't participate in a chess tournament in my university, because they missed my participation request email. lol
12:54
@psie basically I'm wondering if $\overline{A}(E,k)$ denotes the union I was talking about here, does $\bigcap_{k=1}^\infty \overline{A}(E,k)$ have infinite measure?
if all $\overline{A}(E,k)$ have infinite measure
@psie $\bigcap_{n\in\mathbb{N}} [n, \infty) = \emptyset$
ah, ok
@psie when $E$ is what
@Jakobian unbounded say and subset of $\mathbb R^n$
Isn't this intersection just the closure of $E$?
if you take a line in the plane then $\overline{A}(E, k)$ will always have infinite measure, but $E$ is of measure zero
13:10
@Jakobian it looks like it, though we are taking a possible infinite union of closed sets. I'm not sure if $\overline{A}(E, k)$ will be closed.
@psie what does that have to do with it
but yes, it will be closed
@Jakobian well the closure is the intersection of all the closed sets that contain $E$. Why would $\overline{A}(E, k)$ be closed?
@psie but that doesn't mean that $\overline{A}(E, k)$ intersect to the closure of $E$
although it will be
basically I was wondering if continuity from below still holds if $E$ is unbounded, meaning all $\overline{A}(E, k)$ have infinite measure. But I guess your line example is a counterexample then.
it will be closed because the family of the closed dyadic cubes of fixed size is a locally finite family
wooah I'm tired... going to take a nap
13:21
@Jakobian for your line example, it's not clear that the intersection of all the $\overline{A}(E, k)$ will have measure $0$.
 
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14:49
@psie why not?
@Jakobian you simply haven't shown that $m(\bigcap_{k=1}^\infty \overline{A}(E,k))=0$. Note, it's not possible to apply continuity from above here because all $\overline{A}(E,k)$ have infinite measure.
Whatever, I think we are misunderstanding each other. I believe one has to declare $m(\bigcap_{k=1}^\infty \overline{A}(E,k))=\infty$ whenever $E$ is unbounded. I don't see how else one can "show" this.
It has to be a sort of convention. I don't see how to show it simply because continuity from above does not apply.
$\bigcap_k \overline{A}(E, k) = \overline{E}$, we should agree on this
at least in the case of line
so that the intersection is the line, which obviously has measure zero
15:05
ok
@Jakobian could you explain once more how $ \overline{A}(E,k)$, being a possible infinite union of closed sets, is closed? That goes against the foundations in topology, doesn't it?
@psie are you seriously telling me, a general topologist, that it supposedly goes against foundations of topology?
No it doesn't. Its important when union of closed sets might be closed, and it happens in particular when the family is locally finite.
That is, for each $x\in X$ there exists open $U$ with $x\in U$ such that $U$ intersects finitely many elements of your family
more generally
ok, I have to look this up then. I only ever learnt that a finite union of closed sets is closed. We can't say anything about infinite unions.
If $\mathcal{A}$ is a family of sets which is locally finite, then its hereditarily closure preserving in the sense that $\overline{\bigcup \mathcal{B}} = \bigcup \{\overline{B} : B\in\mathcal{B}\}$ where $\mathcal{B}\subseteq\mathcal{A}$
@psie just prove it
If $\mathcal{A}$ is locally finite then so is $\mathcal{B}\subseteq \mathcal{A}$
ok 👍
why can we say that a locally finite family of sets is closure preserving?
consider which inequalities are obvious and which we need to use local finiteness for
work by picking an element and its neighbourhood
from the definition of closure of set $A$ as set of points whose every neighbourhood intersects $A$
15:16
@Jakobian ok, sorry if I upset you :D I now see the possibility for this
15:51
@psie I didn't as much upset me, as you were saying this like its irrefutable truth, while you know. it isn't
16:38
hi
is logic an empirical finding
some philosophers say that logical truths must be valid in every possible world
e.g. if A --->B and A then B
then this is not an empirical law. it must hold in every conceivable world
it would mean laws of logic are necessary true, instead of possibly true
a possible truth is something that happens to hold in our universe. and a necessary truth is something that must hold in every world
17:02
This is probably one of these topics with more than 2000 years of discussion behind it
To me it always seems that logic is actually not central here
What is a "possible world"? - that is the question
And I would say a fairly pointless one
even worse than pointless, it's a self-defeating question
rather than tell everyone what a possible world is, i'm going to show you. please take something from that package of pills that i mailed out last week
the red one or the blue one?
@SineoftheTime Your choice.
17:25
@VladimirLysikov yes. it seems like philosophers just define the set of possible worlds to be whatever set of worlds they want
if it's just upto imagination, I can conceive of worlds where there's no logic. e.g. take a world where there only exists a point. now, logic has no meaning there
but our world has the structure of mathematically rich physics models, in which there's determinism and differential equations. All of this structure is defined using logic
 
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@Gian'sPizzeria what did you try?
20:35
Consider the collection $\mathcal Q_k$ of dyadic cubes of sides $2^{-k}$ with vertices in the lattice $(2^{-k}\mathbb Z)^n$. Let $U$ be open and define $\underline{A}(U,k)$ to be the union of the cubes that are contained in $U$. Then $\underline{A}(U,k)$ is increasing with $k$. Define $\underline{A}(U)=\bigcup_1^\infty \underline{A}(U,k)$.
Now, I'm reading a lemma of the fact that $U\subset \mathbb R^n$ open is a countable union of cubes with disjoint interior. Write $$\underline{A}(U)=\underline{A}(U,0)\cup\bigcup_1^\infty [\ \underline{A}(U,k)\setminus \underline{A}(U,k-1)\ ].$$
Then $\underline{A}(U,0)$ is a (countable) union of cubes in $\mathcal Q_0$, and for $k\geq 1$, the closure of $\underline{A}(U,k)\setminus \underline{A}(U,k-1)$ is a (countable) union of cubes in $\mathcal Q_k$. These cubes all have disjoint interiors and the result follows.
Question: Why does the author mention the closure of $\underline{A}(U,k)\setminus \underline{A}(U,k-1)$? What relevance does the closure have here?
20:49
I don't get why not just say $\underline{A}(U,k)\setminus \underline{A}(U,k-1)$ is a (countable) union of cubes in $\mathcal Q_k$. No comprendo.
 
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22:41
I have drawn the rectangle with vertices at $(0,0),(1,0),(0,2),(1,2)$. For $k=0$, we can fit two dyadic cubes into that rectangles, for $k=1$, well, we just bisect the cubes we already have and get $8$ cubes and so on. But clearly $\underline{A}(U,k)\setminus \underline{A}(U,k-1)$ will be the empty set for $k=1,2$. I guess the statement about closure is not false, but I still do not comprehend why the author used that word.
In fact, probably $\underline{A}(U,k)\setminus \underline{A}(U,k-1)$ equals its closure?
22:58
chat is quiet today
@SineoftheTime indeed
it's saturday night, I presume normal people have a social life, not like me :(

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