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09:44
Hi 👋
$\omega(x,y) = e^x(\sin(x+y) + \cos(x+y)) dx + e^x \cos(x+y)dy$
but since the domain is all $\Bbb R^2$ , I can say that the form is exact and therefore also closed
I don't need to calculate partial derivatives, right?
I had read that the entire $\Bbb R^2$ plan is simply connected
$\omega $ exact + $\omega \in C^1$ implies always $\omega$ closed
this follows from Schwarz theorem
maybe you're confusing the other implication
I was thinking that since the domain is simply connected then the form is exact, doesn't this imply that it is also closed?
what?
if the domain is simply connected, this does not imply $\omega$ is exact
09:58
ah ok then I was confused
omega closed on a simply connected implies omega exact
omega exact and omega $C^1$ implies omega closed
Oh ok, then I'll look at this thing better, thank you very much
10:32
Lets say I have an $m+n$ dimensioned vector space $V$. Let $W$ be a subspace of dimension $n$, spanned by $\{d_1,d_2 \cdots d_n\}$. Let the extended bases for $V$ be $B=\{d_1,d_2 \cdots d_n, e_1, e_2 \cdots e_m \}$. Let me define $V_j$ to be the $m+n-1$ dimensioned subspace of $V$ spanned by $B_j=B \setminus \{e_j\}$. Is $V_1 \cap V_2 \cdots \cap V_m=\text{span}{\{d_1,d_2 \cdots d_n \}}=W$? Just asking so that I am not hallucinating any details
10:51
@SineoftheTime are you still here by any chance?
for that exercise he asks me to calculate the work of $\omega$ along the curve $\gamma (t) = (\cos(2t), \sin(2t)) , t\in[0,\pi]$, but then $\int_0^{\pi} [e^{\cos(2t)} (\sin(\cos(2t) + \sin(2t)) + \cos(\cos(2t) + \sin(2t)) \cdot \\ (-2\sin(2t)) \\ + e^{\cos(2t)} \cos(\cos(2t) + \sin(2t)) \cdot 2\cos(2t)] dt$
@nickbros123 yes
@PM2Ring That projection will take my equilateral triangle on the sphere and flatten it, but the result won't be a Euclidean equilateral triangle like I'm hoping to get. If I'm not mistaken, it'll take the 72° interior angles and make them even wider.
@Pizza yes
give me 10 minutes
11:05
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11:32
maybe there is another way to calculate the work, I don't know, it seems strange to me that integral comes out
11:57
sorry I was busy
@SineoftheTime Don't worry 👍
@Pizza the form is closed on a simply connected domain
so it's exact
Yes, I meant the point after
the exercise asks me to calculate the work of $\omega$ along the curve $\gamma (t) = (\cos(2t), \sin(2t)) , t\in[0,\pi]$
if it's exact, how do you compute the work?
remember exact form is the same as vector field conservative
note that $\gamma(0)=(1,0)$ and $\gamma(\pi)=(1,0)$
Ah , potential difference ?
12:03
yes, but first see the end points before computing the potential
@SineoftheTime But since the curve starts and ends at the same point, then the work is 0?
Oh ok, thanks!
12:13
remember that given $\omega=\sum_{i=1}^n \omega_i(x)dx_i$, you can consider the vector field $F=(\omega_1,\dots, \omega_n)$, $\omega$ is exact is equivalent to $F$ is conservative
in $\mathbb R^3$, $\omega$ closed if $\operatorname{rot} F=0$
12:25
yes, thank you very much!
13:16
@SophieSwett Oh. I'm not sure what the Lambert does to the angles. A gnomonic projection can give you a 60° triangle because it maps great circles to straight lines. But as you can see, it definitely won't preserve area.
13:27
we have only 2 linear algebra courses in our entire 5 years of study, and the first one is a computation based course open for all science students, the 2nd one uses Sheldon Axler. But looking at hoffman kunze, i cant help but notice a decent chunk of stuff in there is left out, be it entire topics or in-between theorems. Is this how it generally is?
Which topics are left out?
I studied linear algebra only in a first year course (geometry 1)
@SoumikMukherjee entire chapter-4 of hoffman is left out (polynomials), grassman ring, multilinear functions, modules, commutative rings (hoffman develops determinants using rings I believe), and no bilinear forms. much of 9th chapter of H&K deals with forms which is not there I guess
13:57
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Q: Characterization of subsets of Q with a supremum

Cathartic EncephalopathyThe supremum axiom, so far I unde stand, characterizes all subsets of R with a supremum. Is there some equivalent statement which does the same for Q? That is, what are the necessary and sufficient conditions such that the supremum exists for a subset of Q?

Any idea what could be wrong with this question
14:35
@CatharticEncephalopathy asking for sufficient and necessary conditions for X too broad of a question. Sure, it's equivalent to X. But what exactly do you expect the answer to be?
What form of answer do you seek ? Many answers would fit your question, but what form of conditions do you expect ? — Maxime 7 hours ago
Your response to this was unsatisfactory
14:53
I reedited now. What do you think @Jakobian
> If there is none, why is there non property shared by those subsets of Q having supremum exist having said?
what does this sentence mean
anyway, I think the edit might sweep the problems under the rug, pretending they don't exist by trying to hide them, but the problems are still there
15:36
@SineoftheTime Are you there by any chance for a moment?
$y'' - 2y' + y = \frac{e^x}{x+2}$ , I found that $\lambda = y$ it is a solution of $ay^2 + by + c = 0$ of multiplicity $m$. So I can use $x^m \cdot e^{\lambda x} \cdot (A_0 + A_1x,...)$ but since I have a rational fraction, I can't use a standard polynomial expression with $A_0$ etc, can I use as a particular solution $\frac{x^2e^x}{x+2}$?
I used $m=2$ since the root $r=1$ of the characteristic equation is double
@nickbros123 You will probably learn about polynomials and rings in some other courses. But the LA course should contain multilinear functions and bilinear forms
15:52
@Pizza the solution of the homogeneous eq is $y=e^x(c_1+c_2x)$
@SineoftheTime yes
where did you get $\frac{x^2e^x}{x+2}$?
To find the particular solution
$x^m \cdot e^{\lambda x} \cdot (A_0 + A_1x,...)$
yes, but did you guess it?
no, I used this
But I have a rational fraction so I don't know how to use It well
15:55
@Pizza who said you can use this?
@SineoftheTime no none, I mean I can only use it if I have a polynomial, with a rational fraction how should I do it?
Maybe so
$A \cdot x^m \cdot e^{\lambda x}$
no, you can't
you have to use variation of parameters
@Pizza you can use these formulas only in particular cases
Yes I was confused that was for a polynomial multiplied by exponential
$\frac{e^x}{x+2}$ is not $e^xp(x)$ where $p(x)$ is a polynomial
But there are also cases only for exponential
I don't understand what case I'm in
16:03
what are you referring to?
@Pizza what cases did you study?
@SineoftheTime This
$\frac{e^x}{x+2}$ is not of the form $ke^x$
so you can't apply it here
so k refers for example to 2e^x ecc
$k\in \Bbb R$
So I think the only option is to use the other method as you said
Thanks so much again for your help!
16:26
@Pizza the general solution is $y=c_1e^x+c_2xe^x+2e^x\log|x+2|+xe^x\log|x+2|$
@SineoftheTime I don't know why I get an extra $-xe^x$
you don't
$c_2xe^x-xe^x=(c_2-1)xe^x$
$c_2-1$ is a constant
Oh ok... I hadn't thought of that
in the computation there's an "extra" $-xe^x$
Yes, in fact I didn't understand why... now that you told me I understand
16:47
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17:09
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Q: Consider the set $X×Y$ for metric spaces $X$ and $Y$ with the product metric. Show that $B(x,r) × B(y , s)\subseteq X×Y$ is open in $X×Y.$

Thomas FinleyLet $X, Y$ be metric spaces. Consider the product set $X×Y$ with the product metric (defined below). Show that any set of the form $B(x,r) × B(y , s)\subseteq X×Y$ is open in $X×Y.$ Let $(X, d)$ and $(Y, d)$ be metric spaces. The function $$d((x_l,y_1), (x_2,y_2))=\min \{d(x_1, x_2),d(x_2,y_2)\}...

Can anyone please help me with this issue?
there are typos all over that question and it is too long, as usual. the question is whether that formula, or that formula redefined so that it involves y_1 in an obvious way, defines a metric. it doesnt.
maybe try "max" instead of "min." try stating the source of the problem so people can check which errors are yours and which errors are in the source.
horrible notational practice to use the same letter, "d", for three different metrics, as you seem to acknowledge by changing the name of the metric on X x Y. if that is the source's fault and not yours i would mention it. a lot of people will skip right by a question like this if they can't tell whether it is a question about an unreliable source (like a textbook that has a typo in it), or a question from an unreliable source (i.e. an OP who makes typos a lot)
[the putative typo in the formula defining your putative metric on the product space is that the second thing in the 'max' should probably be d(y_1, y_2). in the current context, there is no reason why "d(x_2, y_2)" would have any meaning because it purports to compute "d" between elements of different spaces]
@ThomasFinley have you checked if that min metric satisfies triangular inequality or not?
i now click into the history of this question and note that "max" became "min" in an edit. if it was originally "max" it should have stayed "max," unless, again, this is something in a source you are drawing from, and not your own creation (in which case i would mention that)
the "d(x_2, y_2)" issue is maybe the outstanding issue. is that a typo in your source, or is it your typo? please note that rigorous type checking of the problem statement would reveal that we do not have a given way of computing "d" between an element of X and an element of Y
17:34
as for the proof you might have noticed already that $B((x, y), r) = B(x, r)\times B(y, r)$. Moreoever if $(t, z)\in B(x, r)\times B(y, s)$ then there exists $r_0$ and $s_0$ with $B(t, r_0)\subseteq B(x, r)$ and $B(z, s_0)\subseteq B(y, s)$. By replacing $r_0$ and $s_0$ with $\min(r_0, s_0)$ we can assume $r_0 = s_0$. Thus $B((t, z), r_0)\subseteq B(x, r)\times B(y, s)$
why all these stars?
2
I don't know, the star system is kinda useless anyway so the stars just indicate something that's relevant here and should be read
someone is serial upvoting my answers
the SE platform has an automated way of dealing with that
18:03
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@SoumikMukherjee and @leslietownes With your suggestions, I checked the errata of the book I was reading and yes, it's a typo... it should've been max instead of min and with this modification, I was able to solve the problem... the moral shall always be: When stydying a book, if you get stuck before wasting time, check the errata...
This seems so frustrating when so much time gets wasted just because of a typo...but ig it can't be helped.
Thanks to both of you, for pointing it out! I'll now delete my original post as it's useless now.
:?)
the more you study a subject, the easier it becomes to spot 'obvious' typos, until it wraps around and you no longer notice 'obvious' typos because you mentally fix them every time you read them. :)
@SineoftheTime I can help to neutralize that by serially downvoting:)
@ThomasFinley another thing is that, if you were to think about it, it becomes obvious that this is a typo
If you have $\mathbb{R}\times\mathbb{R}$ for example, then using $\min$ would get you that $d((x, 0), (y, 0)) = 0$ for all $x, y\in\mathbb{R}$
which violates one of the properties of a metric
I wish all of category theory to be a typo
18:15
even without an explicit example, you just need to see how would things act if you were to take a minimum on some abstract metric spaces
@SoumikMukherjee go ahead :)
1 upvote=5 downvotes
proceeds to make 4 more accounts
@leslietownes this would make textbook proof reading a very specialized skill.
yes, and one with a finite lifetime
a non monotone 'skill vs. time' graph
all sorts of oddities
Because it's difficult?
18:25
no because the longer you do it the worse you get at it because you begin to read what your mind knows and not what is there on the page
there's a similar thing with human detection of typos and spelling errors, you'll be very bad/inefficient at it if you don't know the language, you'll get better, then eventually you learn the language too well to do it as well as someone who doesn't know the language as well
in sum, we are all doomed
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The automaticity effects of overlearning are not all favorable.
any math profs here?
i don't think so. being a math prof is pretty incompatible with spending your time in a place like this.
18:40
or perhaps retired
well sure if you add in all the has-beens, you will probably find that a few people like that pass through
18:55
hey
anybody so kid to help ou t
it must be quick
how too solve problem c?
I got to the solution(2/x^15*y^3)+ 13th root of (y to the twelfth) right?
but someone says that this does not meat the reuqriment and that I should merge it in one
any help would be helpfull
19:16
well, Ted used to be one
in general, though, you will find those at MO rather than MSE
@mathsresearcher askaway
19:45
@FedericoRuck is this from an ongoing exam?
20:07
no
this is a challenge between me and my friend
if you don't trustme I have even the solution
we are jsut challenging each other who can simplify the 2 terms we foudn in one still respecting the rules
but we both got stuck
so here we are
if you are worried this is an exam you can with until tomorrow to prove that this is not tomorrow please don't take too long or my friend is gonna keep asking em if I found it
if you are still worried about the issue here is the solution I found
(2/x^15y^3)+the 13th root of y to the twelfth
20:29
@Thorgott No one really chats at MO though
I suppose that correlates with valuing your own time though
there were times when the homotopy theory chatroom was more active, but yeah
20:49
Yup, they all moved to Discord.
21:12
when MO started they were very enthusiastic about encouraging people to use their real names, and i remember thinking, welp, there are definitely two ways it can go if people in your department find out how much time you spend in a place like this
you get promoted?
22:01
or the opposite
18 messages moved from Math Meta Chat
At Discord they are very enthusiastic about encouraging people to use their real names and affiliated institutions.
22:42
What do you call a surface with 9 holes?
half a golf course
23:10
sine: well, sort of like user said. for older / established faculty it would probably not make any difference. if you were on your way up in the academic world, e.g. not in a tenured position, or really in any position where you might be looking for another job sooner rather than later, being seen as spending a ton of time online might not be professionally beneficial, to put it mildly.
and yeah, using real names and institutional affiliations anywhere, even outside of academia, maybe only seems like more of a good or neutral idea if you have never been harassed online based on your perceived identity. most of the people who push that uncritically and unreservedly tend to be men, for example, and i don't think that's a coincidence
Where can I find a proof of "Every bicategory is biequivalent to a 2-category"?
23:49
ephe it seems like something nlab would have. or if this is something where there are like 20,000 papers about what the "right" definition of bicategory is, maybe nobody would have
i don't know enough about the theory to tell which one

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