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04:48
hmm. i'm looking through my Saves, and there's a Q&A with a marked answer which provides a conjectured result but doesn't actually derive it. (it's not a bad answer, it's just a pretty hard problem). since the old Q&A exists it seems like asking for a proof would comprise a duplicate
i could bounty it i guess
semi: whatever you do, don't share this obviously interesting question with the channel
lol
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Q: Solving a functional equation for finding equivalent resistance in an infinite ladder

CrookedWarden13I was trying out a physics question to find the equivalent resistance between two points A and B. I got a functional equation on solving, but I couldn't proceed further. Finding f(1) gives the answer to the question. \begin{gather*} \frac{( x+1) f( x+2)}{( x+1) +f( x+2)} \ +\ x=f( x) \ \\ \end{g...

i had some conjectural comments of my own but solving it was beyond me too
looks cool
yeah, it's a neat question
particularly since the conjectured result seems correct
but, yeah, i'm not sure if a new question is appropriate or just a bounty saying "hey, someone should prove this"
if you had new stuff to add i think it would totally work as a new question, even if it's asking for what would amount to the same answer (if only because it feels more awkward to "answer" an existing post with a reframing of the question and further comments)
05:02
hmm
offhand i wonder if reducing it to a single recursion actually makes it more difficult, e.g. a lot of eigenvalue problems end up looking like that if you roll up an infinite number of equations into something that you solve for the entries of a single vector in terms of its first entry
whereas an eigenvalue problem is an eigenvalue problem
hmm, yeah
the difficulty of it vs a more standard resistor ladder is that the resistances keep increasing
but there should still be a way to write this as a big-ass 2-by-2 matrix product
05:22
@leslietownes had to write it out again, but the matrix version of this would be: Let $M_k=\begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 \\ -1/(2k+2) & 1 \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix} 1 & -2k-1 \\ 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix}$ and let $v_{k+1}=M_k v_{k}$. For most $v_0$, $\|v_k\|\to \infty$ as $k\to\infty$. For what $v_0$ does $\|v_k\|\to 0$ instead?
the conjecture amounts to $v_0=(4,\ln 5)$
not sure that version is an improvement tho. the advantage of that formulation typically is that, if $M$ were constant, then diagonalizing $M$ makes this trivial
yeah even there my thought is this is v = Mv for some decidedly infinite dimensional M that you can maybe analyze in some other way than matrix algebra
hmm
the other idea i had now is to impose $\|v_{k}\|^2 < \|v_0\|$ given $v_0=(1,x)$ and see what range of $x$ that requires
 
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07:35
"for every point x in $\Phi$, x is a unicorn" and "for every point x in $\Phi$, x is not a unicorn" are both true
08:15
Consider the problem $Y\mid X=x\in\text{Bin}(n,x)$ with $X\in U(0,1)$. I need to compute $\operatorname{E}Y$, $\operatorname{Var}Y$ and finally $\operatorname{Cov}(X,Y)$, but without finding the distribution of $Y$. The first two follow from the law of iterated expectation and variance respectively. However, the covariance I struggle with; we need to compute $$\operatorname{E}(XY)-\operatorname{E}X\operatorname{E}Y.$$ How do I compute the first term without knowing anything about $Y$?
08:31
I think I've worked it out. It's another application of the law of total expectation.
 
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10:35
@CowperKettle Weird.
11:29
good approximation to the prime counting function from x=0 to x=500
11:53
Does anyone know what the cdf is of the (Euclidean) norm of a point uniformly distributed in a ball of radius $r_0$?
12:10
Figured it out, never mind.
 
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13:12
in the construction of cantor set using the trisection of [0,1] method, is it true that every point that is in the cantor set is an endpoint of one of the intervals in the process of trisection?
@nickbros123 No, in fact most points aren't, since there's only countably many intervals hence countably many endpoints
oh shoot, yes! how did i miss that
14:02
If I'm not mistaken those corresoond to numbers whose ternary expansion contains only 0's and 2's, and with eventually constant tail
 
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15:17
@Jakobian and rational points, such as $0.0202\overline{02}_2$.
@XanderHenderson this is not an endpoint of any of those intervals
15:39
let's say polynomials r the basis vectors of the vector space of analytic functions
why are the components not unique
e.g. the same function has different components depending on the point u use to write the Taylor series
correction : monomials r the basis vectors
Joe
Joe
If by analytic functions, you mean the space of real analytic functions (with a domain of $\mathbb R$, say), then monomials are not a basis of this vector space. For example, the exponential function cannot be written as a linear combination of monomials.
(Assuming that by "basis" you mean the kind of "basis" meant in basic linear algebra, i.e. a Hamel basis.)
i am allowing infinite series linear combinations. i just want to know y the components r not unique, as components should b unique because of inner product @Joe
e.g. when i expand $L^2(R)$ functions using hermite polynomials, the components r unique @Joe
Joe
Joe
I don't believe that monomials are a basis even if you allow infinite combinations in this case.
but, by definition, they all have a Taylor series.. hence they can b written as an infinite linear combination ?
you haven't specified your rules, but whatever they are, varying the point at which you use to write a polynomial expansion isn't really playing by the rules. of course you'll have non-uniqueness, even in finite dimensional settings, if changing the point of expansion "counts" for your purpose. e.g. x = a + (x-a)
if you don't vary the point, you do have uniqueness of the expansion of an analytic function
Joe
Joe
15:53
I think that you should reread the definition of a real analytic function, e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic_function
but a vector should have unique components in its basis expansion, because the component is given by an inner product @leslietownes
you'd get something similar if you added in arbitrary translates of your hermite polynomials
@Joe thanks. i missed the "neighborhood" part
@leslietownes oh
ryder: what do you mean by "the component is given by an inner product"? component of what? what inner product?
your mileage may vary but a power series expansion of an analytic function is not guaranteed to converge in the sense of your favorite inner product, or even some random inner product
Joe
Joe
In a function space $V$, to say that $f$ is in the span of $\{f_\alpha\}_{\alpha\in I}$ means that there are real numbers $\lambda_1,\dots,\lambda_n$ and $\alpha_1,\dots,\alpha_n\in I$ such that $f=\lambda_1f_1+\dots+\lambda_nf_n$. I think your underlying confusion is that you are confusing a function with its values.
15:57
e.g. in $L^2(R)$ we have the inner product $\int \psi ^*(x) \phi(x)$. if we take a self adjoint operator and take its eigenfunctions, we obtain the components by using this inner product @leslietownes
totally fine to consider what is going on in L^2(R) but that collection is going to exclude some real analytic stuff and include a lot of non real analytic stuff
Joe
Joe
E.g. if $V$ were the space of real analytic functions, the condition that $f=\lambda_1 f_1+\dots+\lambda_n f_n$ means that $f(x)=\lambda_1f(x)+\dots+\lambda_nf(x)$ for all $x\in\mathbb R$.
Does that help?
you're playing fast and loose with various function spaces and notions of 'expansion' here, and you really can't do that while expecting questions to have precise answers
Joe
Joe
(Sums and scalar products in functions spaces are usually defined pointwise.)
@Joe yes. i know this
@leslietownes yeah... im not familiar with the precise technicalities. is there no inner product on the space of analytic functions wrt to which monomials are orthogonal?
or maybe the non unique expansions correspond to non uniqueness of the choice of inner product
Joe
Joe
16:01
@RyderRude: I think you should review what it means for a vector in a vector space to have a unique expression, and then you have your answer.
Unique does not mean what you think it means here.
thanks
@RyderRude i don't know of one. i certainly wouldn't assume that there is one
ok so the definition says we only call it a Schauder basis if the components r unique in the first place
this means monomials r not a Schauder basis
also you're going right to "inner product" with a lot of these questions, which i'm not sure if you know it, is a very restrictive choice in terms of requiring a choice of notion of orthogonality and also restricts what it means for a series to converge
Joe
Joe
16:04
The space of real analytic functions does not have a Schnauder basis, at all, apparently...
I would assume that this is because of pathologies like bump functions.
the sequence of taylor coefficients of a real analytic function can be entirely arbitrary. there is no guarantee that the taylor series of a function that is real analytic at a point a will converge pointwise at any point other than a
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Q: Is there a representation of an inner product where monomials are orthogonal?

muaddibThere are plenty of examples of inner products on special sequences of polynomials such that they are orthogonal. I can't quite wrap my head around the inner product s.t. monomials are orthogonal. Say we have polynomials defined on the unit interval $[0, 1]$. I can define an inner product by s...

this limits what you might want to do with partial sums of the series and maybe even the kinds of inner products you might want to define for such functions
oh
this means i shouldnt think of them as a basis
jumping to "inner products" with any of this stuff is like, a very peculiar choice
it's not like the language of expanding a function in terms of other things requires it
i'm not sure if you're aware of this, or just really interested in inner products despite being aware of this
16:08
i am aware that vector spaces have the notion of basis before an inner product is introduced
if you're interested in inner products, one annoying thing about them is that you only get square summable sequences of coefficients as sequences of coefficients of convergent sums of orthogonal things
@leslietownes it's just that Taylor series looks so much like a basis expansion, so i startes looking for inner products
this is great for purposes of doing hilbert space stuff but less than great for almost any other purpose
@leslietownes yes because theyre bilinear i guess
@leslietownes oh
and Taylor series sequences need not even be square summable, but im not sure
well, there you're right. the sequence of taylor coefficients of a real analytic function can be any sequence whatsoever
that's a good exercise, actually, in working with appropriately chosen smooth bump functions
16:13
so it's def not a basis
it's a nice lesson on how things can b wildly different from how they look
thanks @leslietownes @Joe
maybe i meant 'smooth' where you had 'real analytic' in a few places up above, but you run into trouble very quickly with defining inner products (for example) when you have very little control other than what happens in a neighborhood of a point that may vary depending on the function you pick
you're left with basically what is going on at the point in a limiting sense, which would include the taylor coefficients but maybe not the 'oh yeah and also we have convergence around here for at least some functions'
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Q: Can the definition $i=\sqrt{-1}$ be made sense of rigorously without using $\mathbb R^2$ or similar construction of complex numbers?

user1747134For me, the natural way to define complex numbers seems to be to take $\mathbb R^2$ and then define addition and multiplication on top of that an boom, you have complex numbers. You then pretty straightforwardly prove they have the required algebraic properties. Easy. However for some reason, the...

i feel like people ask some version of this question a lot, but it always attracts good answers
this question is also extremely important to anyone's math journey
it kind-of makes complex numbers feel less spooky and makes u encounter isomorphisms
yeah, although i always get a little nervous when people ask about doing things 'rigorously' without 'using' other things
i mean, in at least one sense of very rigorously, the complex numbers are going to turn out to be the exact same thing as R^2, no matter how you define 'complex numbers' and 'R' or 'R^2'
so (as the answers are implicitly pointing out) the question can be thought of as being about how hide that you're actually doing that
when you inevitably will be doing that
yeah you r right. i misunderstood the question as being about the relation between complex numbers and matrices
that is what i think is important
idk about this question.. it's really weird :P
16:39
ted's not back yet?
yeah. i dunno about the hope of return implied by the 'yet,' but he certainly hasn't been around.
Oh I didn't realize he was possibly leaving the chat for good!
Xander is still here so that's great
well, i dunno, let's not go crazy. :)
England vs Denmark today who's amped?
i favor the team whose flag is red and white with the cross on it
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16:53
sorry it's the Netherlands !!! vs england lol
well, i'll have to rework my joke, and i don't know how
thanks
hahhaaha that was a good potential joke
if england were playing denmark that joke would have been so good
Today I'm studying the equation $y=mx+b$
I'm doing lines
linear equations
studio 54 up in here
refreshing to get back to what really matters
and forget all the talk about isomorphisms and structure preserving yatayata yattas
17:25
This time it is difficut to guess who wins : Netherlands or England , I assume England. I hope they present more attractive soccer tonight.
@leslietownes Actually , those teams HAVE played together in the EURO 2024 , but not in the KO-mode.
 
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18:34
Can someone explain what this procedure (reference.wolfram.com/language/ref/FindLinearRecurrence.html) is outputting? I'm not sure what the 10 in the input means (or what a minimum linear recurrence is, or what they mean by kernel here). I am trying to find the recurrence relation which has the solution $a_n = a_0(1 + \frac{.06t}{n})^n$. Is the output somehow encoding coefficients to such a recurrence, or is it doing something totally different?
19:01
Isn't two knights vs king a draw?
How is white victorious here, it should be draw due to insufficient material
19:46
The two knights endgame is a chess endgame with a king and two knights versus a king. In contrast to a king and two bishops (on opposite-colored squares), or a bishop and a knight, a king and two knights cannot force checkmate against a lone king (however, the superior side can force stalemate). Although there are checkmate positions, a king and two knights cannot force them against proper, relatively easy defense. Paradoxically, although the king and two knights cannot force checkmate of the lone king, there are positions in which the king and two knights can force checkmate against a king and...
"Although there are checkmate positions, a king and two knights cannot force them against proper, relatively easy defense"
that's probably the out here
so it didn't force a draw and Black lost due to time
looking a little bit more, it seems to not be universal: it's not an auto draw under FIDE rules, but it is under USCF
Oh okay this is not a forced draw, thanks
lol, I am into chess for so many years and always took it for granted that two knights vs king is a draw, never realized that checkmate can happen if the opponent helps
 
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Bit of a silly question, but what do you guys think the prereqs to this book are? Graph Dynamics, Erich Prisner. It takes primarily about "Graph Operators" or "Graph Valued Functions". I'm an undergrad and I've taken a single course in combinatorics. If not "Prereq", then an area of study which is simpler and in this direction
21:15
@zetaspace England will win
"If you bet after the game is ended, you can't lose" Sun Tzu
"I never said that"- S. T.
"we are going to Berlin!" -England futbol club
the homophobic meme that was going on SM recently became reality
I was going to say something just now but I decided against it
social media
21:53
@SoumikMukherjee meme?
@nnabahi graph operator just seems to refer to some type of function which takes in a graph and constructs another graph from it. Nothing advanced here
I don't think any prerequisities would be needed, other than some graph theory knowledge, but you can always backtrack as necessary

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