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00:14
LCA=Locally Compact Abelian
To apply Fubini, we need that the Haar measure is $\sigma$-finite
all we know is that $G$ is locally compact (and abelian)
apparently it still works. I'm gonna have a look at Folland to see if the above usage of Fubini was justified
@ShaVuklia its not even by Fubini theorem
one can show the equality with Fubini
and invariance of the Haar measure
oh wait
you are right
Fubini isn't even used
yeah, its just direct computation and linearity
invariance by translations
yea, I realise now too xD
well great
I'm having trouble verifying that the Fourier coefficients of a convolution are the products of the coefficients of the convoluted functions.
Let $h(x)=(f\star g)(x)=\frac1{2\pi}\int_{-\pi}^\pi f(x-y)g(y)dy$ be the convolution. Then its Fourier coefficients are given by $${1\over2\pi}\int_{-\pi}^\pi (f\star g)(x)e^{-inx}dx={1\over4\pi^2}\int_{-\pi}^\pi\left(\int_{-\pi}^\pi f(x-y)g(y)dy\right)e^{-inx}dx$$
Changing the order of integration, we get $${1\over4\pi^2}\int_{-\pi}^\pi g(y) \left(\int_{-\pi}^\pi f(x-y)e^{-inx} dx\right)\,dy\ .$$
Now here I'd like to do the substitution $t=x-y$ in the inner integral, but this makes the limits of integration depend on $y$, which I do not want. I want to end up with something like $${1\over4\pi^2}\int_{-\pi}^\pi g(y) e^{-iny}\left(\int_{-\pi}^\pi f(t) e^{-int} dt\right)\,dy\ .$$ Any ideas how I can go about this issue?
00:26
Gross. Who uses \star for convolutions? Use \ast! :(
@psie Do the limits of integration really depend on $y$?
Are you sure about that?
well, if I make the substitution $t=x-y$, I get $\pi-y$ in the upper limit, and $-\pi-y$ in the lower limit, no?
Yes, and the upper limit of integration is...?
it is $\pi$ for $y$, is that what you mean?
No. Do the change of variables. What do you get?
The inner integral becomes $$ \mathrm{e}^{iny} \int_{y-\pi}^{y+\pi} f(t) \mathrm{e}^{int} \,\mathrm{d} t, $$ yes?
I need to think, give me a second
00:33
What are the hypotheses on $f$?
it's periodic
@psie With period...?
Dos pi.
And what is the interval you are integrating over after the change of variables?
@XanderHenderson Well, it is $[y-\pi,y+\pi]$.
00:37
And that interval is how long?
$2\pi$.
And so...?
hmm, yeah, this is where I'm stuck :)
If $h$ is an $L$-periodic function, then what can you say about $\int_{x}^{x+L} h(t)\,\mathrm{d}t$, vis-a-vis $\int_{0}^{L} h(t)\,\mathrm{d}t$?
They are equal, those two integrals.
00:40
And so...?
And so $$\int_{y-\pi}^{y+\pi} f(t) \mathrm{e}^{int} \,\mathrm{d} t,=\int_{-\pi}^{\pi} f(t) \mathrm{e}^{int} \,\mathrm{d} t?$$
Is that a question?
Be confident.
IF it is a question, go back through the argument until you are able to confidently say that "Yes, these things are equal" or "No, those things are different."
I am kind of confident. However, $y$ is variable in the integral as a whole, no?
The inner integral does not depend on $y$, assuming that the equality above is true.
Ok.
00:46
$$\frac{1}{\pi^2} \int_{-\pi}^\pi g(y) \left(\int_{-\pi}^\pi f(x-y)\mathrm{e}^{-inx} \mathrm{d}x\right) \,\mathrm{d}y = \frac{1}{4\pi^2} \int_{-\pi}^\pi g(y)\mathrm{e}^{-iny} \left(\int_{-\pi}^\pi f(t)\mathrm{e}^{-int} \mathrm{d}t\right)\,\mathrm{d}y.$$
Hrm... Where is the syntax error...?
There it is. Extra curly brace.
But that inner integral is constant with respect to $y$. So it becomes....
$$ \frac{1}{4\pi^2} \left( \int_{-\pi}^\pi g(y)\mathrm{e}^{-iny}\,\mathrm{d}y \right) \left(\int_{-\pi}^\pi f(t)\mathrm{e}^{-int} \mathrm{d}t\right) $$
makes sense đź‘Ť
Which is $$\frac{1}{4\pi^2} \hat{g}(n)\hat{f}(n). $$
 
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02:30
If $X$ is locally compact Hausdorff, I know that $L^p(X,\mu)$ where $\mu$ is a Radon measure contains $C_c(X)$ (functions with compact support) as a dense subspace. The result seems to also be true when $G$ is a locally compact Hausdorff group and $m$ is the Haar measure (i.e., $\overline{C_c(G)}=L^p(G,m)$).
Does anyone have a reference for this fact?
I could of course have a look if the proof for Radon measure translates... I guess I'll do that
ohh
Haar measures are Radon!
I didn't know
that makes life so much easier
ah, it makes sense, since the Haar measure is constructed using Riesz representation
 
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Mad
Mad
08:04
I am having a hard time to prove this statement:

if B is a bilinear form that is invariant under the lie group representation $f: G \rightarrow GL(V) $ then it is invariant under $ df: g \rightarrow End(V)$
Partially because i dont feel comfrotable to deal with differentials
i know that differentiating a bilinear form results into :
d(B(x,y)(v,w))= B(x,w)+B(v,y)
which looks very close to what the invariance under df should look like.
Mad
Mad
08:23
i will send my "work"
08:56
22 hours ago, by one potato two potato
I guess $\alpha =1$ can be treated as a "singular" case
maybe this is not very straightforward
 
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Mad
Mad
12:06
what do we exactly mean when we say that g is a REAL lie sub algebra of the complex lie Algebra of all matrices nxn
I thought subspaces need have same field?
Or does one mean that g consists ONLY of matrices who are real (which are technically still complex, but no i )
12:32
every complex lie algebra can be considered as a real lie algebra
Mad
Mad
12:50
so when we say $ g $ a real sub algebra of $ M(n,C) $. Do we look at it first as a C-vectorspace, then, restrict scalar multiplication to R and call that A "real" lie sub algebra, or what do you mean?
13:45
yes
14:23
@Thorgott This is wrong, yeah?
No matter how I look at it, in 2), the determinant of change of basis looks like $\frac{1}{\|z_1\|\cdot ...\cdot \|z_{k-1}\|}$ to me
 
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16:01
@Jakobian In the step $i-1\rightarrow i<n$, they first replace the $i$-th entry with $z$, which should be represented by a unitriangular matrix and hence has determinant $1$, then divide the $i$-th entry by $\lVert z\Vert$ and multiply the $i+1$-th entry by $\lVert z\rVert$, which also has determinant $1$, no?
16:19
@Thorgott $u_{i-1, j} = \frac{1}{\|z_j\|}v_j + ...$, no?
and $u_{i-1, j}\in \text{span}\{v_1, ..., v_j\}$
So its a triangular matrix with entries $\frac{1}{\|z_j\|}$ for $j < i$ on the diagonal
where $z_i = v_i - \sum_{j=1}^{i-1} \langle v_i, u_{i-1, j}\rangle u_{i-1, j}$
so while the term $\|z_i\|\cdot v_{i+1}$ fixed the term before it, it doesn't fix the other terms that were modified
I don't really see how you arrive at that
Note that we're not talking about the change from $(u_{i-1, j})_j$ to $(u_{i, j})_j$, but even if we were, that has determinant $\frac{1}{\|z_{i-1}\|}$ and not $1$
no, that is the change I am talking about
well, either way
how does that not have determinant $1$
16:30
because if we try to write $u_{i, i}$ in terms of $u_{i-1, j}$ we don't get coefficient $\frac{1}{\|z_i\|}$
we have something in terms $v_i$ that then need to be written in terms of $u_{i-1, i}$ so we get $\frac{1}{\|z_{i-1}\|\cdot \|z_i\|}$
the determinant is then $\frac{1}{\|z_{i-1}\|}$ and not $1$
and it checks out, the total transformation from $(v_1, ..., v_n)$ to $(u_{i, 1}, ..., u_{i, n})$ is then of determinant $\frac{1}{\|z_1\|\cdot ...\cdot \|z_{i-1}\|}$
so if we want it to be $1$, I'm pretty sure we need to have $u_{i, i+1} = \prod_{k=1}^i \|z_k\| v_{i+1}$
we even get a less problematic formula - with empty product for $i = 0$
@Jakobian ah, I get your point now
I had a disconnect cause the idea works, but the execution doesn't
you just have to define $z_i$ with $u_{i-1,i}$ instead of $v_i$
then the claims hold
not that I can see any application for arranging Gram-Schmidt like this, it seems unnecessarily convoluted if anything
@Thorgott might be better than what I was trying to propose
@Thorgott Its used in the proof that $\text{SL}(n, \mathbb{R})$ is path-connected, apparently
16:56
I'd be very grateful if someone could check my work. I'm trying to solve the following problem; find the Fourier series of $h(t)=e^{3it}f(t-4)$, when $f$ has period $2\pi$ and satisfies $f(t)=1$ for $|t|<2$, $f(t)=0$ for $2<|t|<\pi$.
Previously I worked an exercise where I showed that if $f$ has Fourier coefficients $(c_n)$, then the function $t\mapsto e^{iat}f(t)$ has Fourier coefficients $(c_{n-a})$ for $a\in\mathbb Z$. And similarly, the function $t\mapsto f(t-b)$ has Fourier coefficients $(e^{-inb}c_n)$ for $b\in\mathbb R$.
So here is my attempt. From the previous exercise, the coefficients of $h(t)$ should be $(e^{-i(n-3)4}c_{n-3})$, so I need to find $(c_n)$. They are given by, assuming $n\neq0$, \begin{align}\frac1{2\pi}\int_{-\pi}^\pi f(t)e^{-int}dt&=\frac1{2\pi}\int_{-2}^2 e^{-int}dt \\ &=\frac1{2\pi}\left[-\frac{e^{-int}}{in}\right]_{-2}^2 \\ &=\frac1{2\pi}\left(\frac{e^{i2n}}{in}-\frac{e^{-i2n}}{in}\right) \\ &=\frac{\sin(2n)}{\pi n}.\end{align} For $n=0$, we get simply $\frac2{\pi}$.
Recall the coefficient of $h(t)$ should be $(e^{-i(n-3)4}c_{n-3})$, so they are $$e^{-i(n-3)4}\frac{\sin (2(n-3))}{\pi(n-3)}\text{ for }n\neq 3,\quad \frac{2}{\pi} \text{ for }n=3 .$$ Therefor the (complex) Fourier series of $h(t)$ must be $$h(t)\sim\frac{2}{\pi}e^{i3t}+\sum_{\substack{k\in\mathbb Z \\ k\neq 3}}e^{-i(n-3)4}\frac{\sin (2(n-3))}{\pi(n-3)}e^{int}.$$
Unfortunately my book does not provide any answer to this exercise. Is this going in the right direction?
17:11
EDIT: the index variable in the last sum should be $n$, not $k$.
17:25
@psie correct solution from what I can see
cool, thanks for checking!
no problem, it would bother me if I didn't check
@Jakobian I prefer just doing orthogonalization instead of orthonormalization. Inductively set $u_i=v_i-\sum_{j<i}\frac{\langle v_i,u_j\rangle}{\langle u_j,u_j\rangle}u_j$. This has change of basis that is unitriangular. If you want an orthonormal basis, you can just rescale by a positive diagonal matrix after.
This suffices to get a deformation retraction from $\mathrm{SL}(n)$ to $\mathrm{SO}(n)$ and then you can argue the latter is path-connected.
@Thorgott $A\cdot b = (A^tb^t)^t$ in terms of matrix multiplication, no? So $A\cdot (B\cdot b) = (BA)\cdot b$, am I wrong?
shouldn't it be a right action instead?
oh wait, what I wrote is wrong
17:44
no, I agree
if you think of a basis as a matrix in GL, this is multiplying the transpose of that with the transpose of A from the left
the left action would be $A.(v_i)_i=(\sum_ja_{ij}v_j)_i$
if I can post cringe for a second, this should be consistent with how it's usually written $a^i_jv^j$ in Einstein notation
18:01
hmm actually looking at my calculations what I said should be correct
but I need to double check because I don't trust myself
$A\cdot b = A^tb$
if we interpret $b$ as the matrix having $v_k$ as rows
way to go, einstein
 
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19:24
can one find some (p,q,r,s) such that (x^p - x^q) | (x^r+x^s) where p,r are both 0 mod 15 and q,s are both 1 mod 15?
19:39
sorry I misread your question
we can assume that $p = 0$ or $q = 1$ by division by $x^{15k}$ for some $k$ though
Yes and I can't make any progress beyond that other than trying out values and thus far I've found none
If $p = 0$, we can similarly assume $r = 0$ or $s = 1$.
Do you think any solution is possible?
I can't really find a way to prove it, but thus far I must have tried around a 100 different values and found some remainder in all.
If $p = 0, r = 0$ then $x^q-1|x^{s\mod q}+1$, which is impossible unless we are in a field of characteristic $2$
we're working in a field of characteristic other than $2$, yes?
@Sahaj I don't know, lets just check all the cases and find out
If $p = 0, s = 1$ then $x^q-1|x^{r-1\mod q}+1$ if $r > 0$ and $x^q-1|x+1$ if $r = 0$ and this is impossible unless we are in char $2$ again
19:57
the ring is not of characteristic 2
Oh okay
So it's not possible then
$x^m-1$ doesn't divide $x^r+x^s$ in general it seems
we can take out power of $x$ from $x^q-x^p$ to make it a problem of dividing by $x^m-1$
yes I understand
and then similarly we can take out power of $x$ from $x^r+x^s$
19:59
@Mad If you are going to post a picture instead of typing it so we can read it clearly, at least make sure the picture is oriented so that it can be read.
and then if we divide $x^n+1$ by $x^m-1$ it will be $x^{n\mod{m}}+1$, but this won't be zero unless it happens that $n\mod{m} = 0$ and we are in char $2$
so $x^p-x^q$ can't divide $x^r+x^s$ unless we are in char $2$, no matter the other conditions on $p, q, r, s$
the conditions were a bit of a red herring
That makes sense. Thanks @Jakobian.
 
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22:11
Why are invertible matrices precisely the matrices of change of basis?
I think I've missed this fact in my linear algebra classes
uh, not sure what a "a matrix of change of basis" is, but if BA = I then B represents the linear transformation on F^n that sends the columns of A to the standard basis (in order), and an invertible matrix A represents the transformation taking the standard basis to the basis given by its columns
its probably something to do with that?
yeah, sort of
is this a question that has more impact when F isn't a field
its just a question, its not a tricky question
for fields
If you have a basis $(v_1, ..., v_n)$ and a new basis $(w_1, ..., w_n)$, you write $w_j = \sum_i a_{ij}v_i$
and $A = (a_{ij})$ is called matrix of change of basis from $(v_1, ..., v_n)$ to $(w_1, ..., w_n)$
22:23
If we write $W, V$ to be those vectors placed in rows, then this will be $A^tV = W$
its one of those things where if you look over F^n its something like VW^{-1} or WV^{-1} where you write the v's and w's as coordinates and stick them in matrices V or W
oh, with a transpose in it
i could never keep any of that stuff straight and had to re derive it every time when teaching, even if it was worked out in my notes and the book already i felt like i was doing it for the first time
sha's question the other day about some group action being f(x^{-1} y) vs. f(xy) or following the expected left action law vs. not gave me the same kind of vibe
I'm not really sure whats the order here. Clearly the rows are independent iff the determinant is non-zero. I'm not sure how I know that
if $(f_n)$ is Cauchy is $L^p$ and $g_n=xf_n$ is in $L^p$, what can we say about $(g_n)$?
But I can use that to show $\det(A)\neq 0$ so $A$ needs to be invertible
jakobian the solution is for you to teach a first semester in linear algebra at least once :)
22:27
probably
Joe
Joe
@Jakobian: I wonder if there is an abstract reason using group theory, somehow. The matrix $P^{-1}MP$ is conjugate to $M$ in the general linear group. Although perhaps this idea doesn't go anywhere, since we can still change the basis of a non-invertible matrix $M$.
Well if I know that independent rows iff determinant non-zero, then this is clear that if $A$ is a change of basis matrix then $\det(A) \neq 0$, and if $\det(A)\neq 0$ then $\det(W)\neq 0$ so that $W$ is a basis
assuming I also know that $\det(AB) = \det(A)\det(B)$
I think this is a good enough justification for my own purposes
I think "independent rows iff determinant non-zero" is proven before introducing change of basis matrices?
its up to you when or how or whether you prove it :) when i last taught, that fact did arrive just before change of basis matrices
it's pretty common for US textbooks to put determinants well before any explicit discussion of abstract bases or linear independence, although they vary in how much they use determinants to illustrate or explain those concepts once they arrive
22:43
$f_n\to f$ in $L^p$, then there is $(f_{n_k})$ such that $f_{n_k}\to f$ a.e. and $xf_{n_k}\to xf$ a.e.
im looking at my last notes, i seem to have done a lot in terms of counting pivots in row echelon form, with facts about both linear dependence and determinants as corollaries to that, presumably because the textbook did it that way
sine: what's x?
I have a space such that $f_n$ and $xf_n$ is in $L^p$ and $(f_n)$ is Cauchy
thanks for the discussion Leslie
23:23
@Jakobian This equation says you should think about the columns of $A$. I recommend columns, not rows.
23:34
I'm not sure what you mean
$SO(n+1)$ acts free on $S^n$ iff $n \leq 1$, yes?
Not sure why but the case $n = 0$ is excluded in what I'm reading
I didn’t read your conversation with leslie, but that formula for basis change says to think if vectors as columns, not rows.
The case $n=0$ seems tautological since all there is to the group is the identity.
But it does not act transitively.
Yeah
I'll probably send the mistakes to the author once I gather enough of them
Maybe he requires a transitive action for it to be free. Seems reasonable to study homogeneous spaces.
23:50
That's not it, because he gives example of a free but not transitive action
Oh well.
This was such an example.

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