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19:15
I prefer well-rounded people and rectangles.
Me too.
Help yourself to some popcorn Dr Ted.
Well-rounded rectangles?
Indeed.
19:45
uh, is this a bad time to fundraise for my house campaign?
We know you'll use the money for Botox.
i see that you've read my platform. it's not fraud if you tell them you are going to do it.
Is your platform built on lesliecoin.
there is an eventual transition over to lesliecoin in a promised future, but for complicated reasons, campaign contributions will only be accepted in US dollars.
No gold?
19:51
oh, gold is fine too. supporters are also encouraged to deed us real estate.
really? that's a double tax liability!
ok, I have some swamp land in Florida I've been meaning to donate
I hope it's in prime hurricane country.
Of course, and plenty of gators too.
OK, then the double tax onus should be pleasurable.
19:58
double the tax and give it to the next person
@leslietownes I've got some lesliecoin running around which I would be happy to donate.
@leslietownes Buying a house or running for the House?
Really? He promised me generous amounts and has yet to give a leslie penny.
the latter, @Mast. He already has one of the first.
@TedShifrin I snuck into his blockchain at night.
You always were sneakier than I.
19:59
Or perhaps a campaign for Dr. Gregory House.
Consider $M \times \Bbb R$ where $M:=\big\lbrace \log^2 x +\log^2 y=1 : (x,y)\in \Bbb R^2_{\gt 0}\big\rbrace.$ Consider intersecting two of these surfaces at right angles. Then I want to show that the intersection curves either lie on a plane or on a hyperbolic sheet $N\times \Bbb R$ where $N:=\big\lbrace xy=1: (x,y) \in \Bbb R^2_{\gt 0}\big\rbrace.$
Two of these surfaces in $\Bbb R^6$? I don't understand what you're talking about.
What are "these surfaces," precisely?
By this point, you should be more skilled at asking questions that are well-defined.
So you have a "logarithmic cylinder" parallel to the $z$-axis in $\Bbb R^3$ and another parallel to the $x$-axis. ....
Your hyperbolic sheet is indeed a hyperbolic cylinder.
So why are you asking this question instead of solving it yourself? Also, your hyperbolic cylinder should be parallel to the $y$-axis, given your two equations, should it not?
Oh right, a hyperbolic cylinder
next is to find the intersection volume
21:04
$S_1=S^1\times (-1,1), S_2= S^2-\{N,S\}$. Consider the diffeomorphism $\phi: S_1\to S_2, \phi(x,y,z)= (x\sqrt{1-z^2}, y\sqrt{1-z^2},z)$. How to orient $S_2$ such that $\phi$ is orientation preserving?
I have no clue how to even start with this one.
21:15
give it the pushforward orientation
the definition of 'orientation' [there are several] may provide clues
i mean, "via phi" is the answer, but how you do that would be dictated by the definition
so if $N_1$ is the orientation on S_1, then I think I must find orientation N_2 on S_2 such that $N_1(p)= N_2(\phi(p)$ for all $p\in S_1$, right?
by orientation, I mean a smooth choice of normal vector field N(p).
**N(p)**= (p, N(p))
@SoumikMukherjee $\int_A f=\int_A\sum_n \frac{\{nx\}}{n^2}\le \int_A \sum_n \frac 1{n^2}=\int_A \frac{\pi^2}6= \frac{\pi^2}6 |A|,|,|$ is Lebesgue measure. |A| is finite as A is closed and bounded.
holy shit that's a terrible definition
what is the alternative definition?
there are plenty and I don't think there's a best one, just this specific one is very bad cause it makes it seem like orientation is an extrinsic structure instead of an intrinsic one
21:30
@Thorgott why do you have a problem with him?
(nvm this question. you really don't have to answer this.)
@Thorgott may be. Probably that's why I am clueless as to how to even start with this.
@Koro You didn't say how you were orienting $S_1$.
But, yeah, Thor is right. You can't explicitly involve $N_i$ in a computation with the map, other than to invoke the right-hand rule to say what an ordered basis on the tangent space is in each case.
So S_1 is basically part cylinder. I take the radial vector (going outwards radially from the axis of the cylinder) to orient it.
OK, so what order do you take the tangent vectors so that their cross-product gives that orientation?
Tangent to circle, tangent to interval or vice-versa?
Pictures are allowed. Same for the sphere.
@TedShifrin I make the right handed system.
Ultimately, you need to consider the derivative of $\phi$ ... and you need it in local coordinates, not $\Bbb R^3$ coordinates. But you can do it pictorially by seeing where $D\phi$ maps the tangent vectors to curves in the cylinder. It's very easy with pictures.
@Koro So which is first?
21:35
tangent to circle, and then tangent to interval and then normal vector N(p).
OK, right.
Now pick a random point on the cylinder and follow where $\phi$ maps the circle through that point and the vertical (through that point). Take tangent vectors appropriately.
in Helpful Commentary, 10 hours ago, by Shaun
Why would this get downvoted?
n o b o d y k n o w s
yeah
@TedShifrin thinking
Surely somebody does. There's three downvotes already!
21:40
sadly you can't directly message whoever downvoted you. this is punitive, shaun. it's not us, and we don't know.
Four!
okay, i now have a hypothesis that at least one downvoter [not me] doesn't like what you're constantly doing here.
Several people downvoted me in recent days. Just because mick asked a bad question (so he couldn't define what one function "smaller than" another meant), don't punish me!
ted: that was my army of bots, taking revenge for something else.
night king of bots
or was it knight king?
21:44
@Shaun is the answer wrong? Otherwise it's very suspicious
@Shaun This OP makes it clear he's just beginning his study of algebra. You write fancy stuff, including Tietze operations, which I've never heard of, and I've written a textbook on algebra. Come on! Surely you're intelligent enough to understand why you're getting these downvotes.
I did not even read to see if it's correct or incorrect. That's not relevant to my observation.
@Koro night knight
@TedShifrin vertical interval goes to interval, circle goes to a strange shape.
the circle at the equator (x^2+z^2=1) goes to $(x|x|,0,z)$ under $\phi$.
I have asked the following . . .
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Q: I don't understand why I'm getting so many downvotes, and nobody seems to want to help.

ShaunI'm aware that nobody can possibly know why somebody has downvoted, except the downvoter, when there's no comment explaining the situation; I'm aware of - and, in fact, am the guy who started - the chat room "Helpful Commentary" on the main site; but I keep getting downvotes on various posts of m...

Bad timing just now . . .
Thank you, @TedShifrin.
if this post also gets downvotes, then what will happen? I wonder.
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21:52
koro: a black hole will be created and envelop the planet
alas, it got one already.
post about 'why downvotes' gets downvoted. There is no justice left in this world now.
I deleted the meta question. It was more of a rant really.
@Koro You have variables confused. The circle is $x^2+y^2=1$. You should understand the mapping first of all.
@Shaun That's good. You need to stop projecting your neediness so loudly.
Ohh, I took x,y in the plane (of your device screen) and z outward the screen onto viewers face.
axis of the cylinder parallel to y.
The equation for the mapping tells you how you must do it. You don't get to decide.
The $z$-axis is vertical.
21:57
ohh okay.
The axis of the cylinder is the $z$-axis. Look carefully.
the circle at the equator (x^2+y^2=1) goes to $(x,y,0)$ under $\phi$ and the interval $(1,0,z)$ goes to $(\sqrt{1-z^2}, 0, z)$.
I'm considering the point $(1,0,0)$.
OK, so now look at tangent vectors to those curves and see if the right-hand rule works out or not.
@Koro Well, it was removed by author.
22:24
I know, by definition, $$e^A=\sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac{A^k}{k!},$$ and that this always converges, since the power series of $e^z$ converges for all $z$, and you can define functions of matrices in terms of entire functions. But what about $$e^{tA}=\sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac{(tA)^k}{k!}?$$ Can the $t$ somehow mess with the convergence here? I'm supposed to motivate why this series converges.
@TedShifrin yes, I realised it now. I was not using the definition that I should have used.
I should look at derivative of $\phi$.
psie: it might help to fix what notion of 'convergence' you are talking about. e.g. if you are working in a normed algebra where A has some finite norm, tA also has some finite norm (indeed, t * ||A||) and if you stare at the proofs of convergence for e^z even in the case of complex z that is probably all you need to prove convergence in the norm.
you might not have convergence that is 'uniform' in t, but you don't have that even in the real or complex case.
if A is something slightly more than a matrix (e.g. an operator, not necessarily bounded, on a hilbert space) you might not have a sense of norm convergence for the operators, but you might have norm convergence in the hilbert space.
ok, I guess absolute convergence would probably be the most sensible here, so we have $\lVert t^kA^k\rVert \leq |t|^k\lVert A\rVert^k$ (using $\lVert AB\rVert\leq\lVert A\rVert\cdot\lVert B\rVert$), then apply comparison test I guess
22:40
@psie tA is a matrix too
true
So if it converges for all matrices...
👍
23:08
@Koro Yes, but in this case we did that visually with no computation.
@psie $tA$ is just another $A$.
ok, I will argue like this :) it's in preparation for an oral exam
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