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why is $A - B + C$ wrong if I do $A - (B + C)$ first instead of $(A - B) + C$ they are 2x2 matrices
Is matrix addition not associative
lol $(2 - 10) + 4 = -4, 2 - (10+4) = -12$ I feel really silly what am I doing wrong
pemdas tells me to do addition before subtraction, but in this exercise they did the subtraction first and got a different answer.
@PM2Ring What parts are you having trouble approximating well, and for what? I think speculatively you could do something fast using exp and extracting cosh out of that, and $\frac{1}{x}$... well, I'm still kind of working on that one, but consider taking a look at oeis.org/A204983 and use A007733 instead of A002326 in the corresponding place in the expression.
Note: it's listed as conjecture only because I'm not really competent to formally prove it despite the fact that it's readily demonstrable to me.
@Obliv Addition & subtraction are associative, but that minus sign outside the brackets is distributive. That is, $A -(B+C)$ means $A + (-1)× (B+C)$
@PM2Ring so if I do the addition first, i'm essentially distributing a -1
shouldnt subtraction be done first then,
@PM2Ring the map is not invertible?
$A - B + C - D$ you want $(A-B) + (C-D)$ otherwise you have $A + (-1)(B+C) - D$
PEMDAS has failed me.
should be PEMDSA
00:19
PEMDAS is a parsing rule and isn't useful for understanding.
You can really do any of these in any order, really, barring the constraints each one is subject to
you basically just want to go left to right in the absence of brackets
I wonder if they do math right to left for arabic speaking countries and japan
@copper.hat My cosh function is well-behaved. It's a bijection, in fact it's monotonic. But that exponential growth makes it hard to get rough approximations.
Why does $[AI] = [IA^{-1}]$ work
The Taylor series at 0 is pretty simple, $u=x/2+x^3/4!+x^5/6!+\cdots$
it's equivalent to $A\vec{x} = I$ and solving the system of equations made by multiplying $A \vec{x}$?
00:27
^ Correct
so $[AB] = [BA]$ will never work if u tried to row reduce to this form
So $A=BAB^{-1}$ when A & B commute.
If I combine $A,X \to [AX]$ and manipulate it such that I have X on the left, does this only work if $A = I$
sorry meant to ask only if $[AX] = [XA^{-1}]$
and $X=I$
since matrix multiplication is not commutative.
no other way to get $[XA]$ from $[AX]$
@PM2Ring Any of these work? desmos.com/calculator/bdqv3vdyj1
trying to understand what adjoining matrices means
00:35
As a seed for Newton's method rather
@Obliv I'm not quite sure what you mean, but if $AX=A$ then $X=I$. We show that by left- multiplying by $A^{-1}$. Hopefully, you can show that a matrix always commutes with its inverse.
See functions folder for definitions.
I need help with this question
Find the 2 coordinates that have a gradient of curve of 30 for $f(x) = 2x^3 - 3x^2 + 18x - 9$
@PM2Ring Well let's say $A$ is a system of equations, and $I$ is also the coefficient matrix of a system of equations (does this make sense), then what is this adjoining process? It's not adding/multiplying the systems
@Ajay take the gradient
So I differentiate but then what>
00:41
then set it equal to 30, solve the quadratic
$6x^2 - 6x + 18 = 30$
let me do that
@AMDG Sorry, that's almost unreadable on my phone. I'm not sure why binary logs are helpful here.
@PM2Ring rip. Can't open it on desktop?
> I'm not sure why binary logs are helpful here

You haven't said much about your computing domain anyways. Assuming it's binary, this is providing linear, crude approximation to the expression you want computed.
Blasted thing. I can't seem to escape the quote. /shrug
@AMDG I rarely use my desktop these days, maybe once a month. My back doesn't cope well with sitting at a desk.
@PM2Ring sorry, missed the h
00:50
Well who said anything about sitting? :)
Or just grab an iPad with magic keyboard
That thing is perfect for research on the go
Unless you need iOS apps to work with magic keyboard among other things because apparently everyone forgets about iOS and doesn't care.
@PM2Ring Try $x=2 \log u$ as a starting point?
@AMDG I'm doing this in Sage, using arbitrary precision binary floats, usually 80 or 120 bits, but I need more precision for large x.
Ah I see. Well yeah, I get there's a necessity for cheap and high precision Newton seeds at least, though, but I mean... if you could just manage to look at the stuff in the function folder, well, let's just say it speaks for itself on the cheap side of things relatively speaking.
Shame I can't read it
If I used lerped exp and ln, that would require an expression of the form 1/(x - y)
00:56
@copper.hat Yeah. I have a zillion tricks for circular trig functions, but not many of those work so well on exponential functions.
> for circular trig... not work so well on exponential functions
sad "circular = hyperbolic" noises
Have you looked at Gudermannian as well?
@AMDG Also, sqrt(|1 - x^2|) would like a word with you
@copper.hat That's not bad, although it goes negative for small $u$. I guess I could handle small & large $u$ as separate cases. But instead I've been doing $x=y \sinh^{-1}(u)$, with $2\ge y\ge 1$. And then the trick is to find good estimates of $y$.
Also I have this integration-based exp2 approximation (also Desmos, rip PM 2Ring) desmos.com/calculator/i9pekthogg
Keeps successively integrating the lerped exp2 approximation.
If you are using Newton it should be quick in any event?
Also I tried something similar with integration-based approximation of lerped log2 but it requires dividing by x (take a guess as to why)
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@AMDG Not in this context. I've used it when working with Mercator projection. But it's (probably) not so useful in this context, since I don't need to involve circular trig functions.
@PM2Ring Well... if it's easier for you to approximate circular functions, then Gudermannian is presumably the easy way out for ya
That's the idea at least
@copper.hat It's quick once it starts to converge, but it can need some help getting started, especially when x is large (and u is ginormous).
@AMDG Sure, but "wrapping" a hyperbolic value around the unit circle a zillion times may lead to some loss of precision. ;)
Suit yourself I guess. Perhaps take a gander at this bad boy (more readable than desmos presumably) wolframalpha.com/input/…
Mess with the terms and exponent/denominator and see what you can get. It's pretty nice.
I don't see how that relates to my equation.
For computing cosh and 1/x
Though I suppose using this for all three also requires equally high precision ln
Just substitute $i\pi$ for $x$ of course
01:20
I don't need to compute cosh, Sage can do that to any precision. It can also, simplify symbolic expressions involving hyperbolic functions, to an extent.
Oh, nice. I didn't know that. Wait, are you not looking for high performance too?
I'm somewhat confused then. If you can compute cosh with Sage... and 1/x no doubt should be no problem for Sage... then what's the difficulty?
Oh now I see. Sorry.
Arbitrary precision function evaluation in Sage is quite fast. I'm just trying to simplify my algorithm for calculating x from u. It's easy to compute u from x.
I didn't read your problem correctly.
My early versions needed >9 loops of Newton's method for large x. Now it does 1 or 2 rounds of $x\leftarrow \cosh^{-1}(1+ux)$ followed by 3 rounds of Newton, for 120 bits of precision.
"The product of two reals x and y is equal to one less than the hyperbolic cosine of x" :thinking:
01:29
I've noticed in some of these problems the inverse of a 2x2 matrix can be $\begin{bmatrix} a & b \\ c & d \end{bmatrix} \to \begin{bmatrix} d & -b \\ -c & a \end{bmatrix}$ but not always, what's the condition?
Each round of Newton has to do a cosh & a sinh. I suppose I could replace the sinh with a sqrt(cosh^2-1). My initial approx also needs asinh, tanh and an exponentiation (to a non-integer power).
Maybe try $x=\arccosh 6u$ for large $u$.
obliv: that the determinant be 1 (or -1)
a condition that has a tendency to come up, not least because it leads to homework exercises where 'the numbers work out nicely'
Oh okay, thanks.
computer grading has got to be the end of rigourous mathematical education
01:40
@PM2Ring What if you tried approximating the integral of the expression, approximated that with something having a known inverse in closed form, then used the difference quotient to approximate the inverse?
The shape seems relatively simple. Possibly even something that could be approximated by cosh or smth idk
Here's a parametric plot
I'm an idiot. I thought I'd messed up the labels, but that plot is fine. :) Take 2...
That's for 0<x<20
Just rotate the screen. ez
We need more fundamental operations for isolating variables.
I considered trying to do something with the Lambert W function. But that can be tricky to manipulate, even in straightforward cases.
We need more fundamental operations for isolating variables.
idk, find a geometric object that relates to the equation itself. That usually helps
I mean alternatively, we're saying that $\cosh(\phi) = u\phi + 1$ and $\cosh(\phi)$ is necessarily a point on a hyperbola, and $u\phi + 1$ is a parabolic shape. Haven't thought enough nor done enough research nor know enough about hyperbolic geometry to say much. Or just conic sections in general. Anyways, I'm going to retire to bed. Good night!
02:00
Good night, AMDG.
FWIW, this equation comes from special relativity.
Well there might be something worth looking at with $ux = 2^p (2^q - 1)$. idk. It relates a reciprocal to the infinite repeating integer value in its binary expansion. Presumably extends to all bases. Also, I'm working on solving $2^n x = y$ given $y$, so something might come out of that as an operation. Like I said: more fundamental operations. That's why I'm working on an isomorphism between boolean logic operations and numerical operations. Anyways, night!
A ship is accelerating with constant proper acceleration $a$, i.e., that's the gravity that the passengers feel. Then $x=a\tau$ and $u=d/\tau$, where $d$ is the distance in the rest frame, and $\tau$ is the proper time (i.e., the ship's clock time), in units where the speed of light $c=1$. In those units, standard gravity is ~1.0323 light-years/year^2.
02:39
@PM2Ring at that rate, the frame will locally accelerate over 1 c in a year, correct?
I remember computing that locally accelerating to 1 c will appear to an outside observer to be $\tanh(1)$ c (.7616 c)
@copper.hat Well, done properly, it's way better than no grading at all (which is the trend in today's academia). I don't know the context of your remark, but I am a big fan of well-written and -executed computational homework on WeBWork with proofs, of course, still graded by a competent TA or professor.
@TedShifrin it was a bit of a rant based on a call i had with a friend (prof) yesterday. i have never used WeBWork. the idea of learning with no grading is like taking a driving test on one's own.
@robjohn I like the new avatar
02:59
@copper.hat Getting ready for the next holiday
one of my nephews is getting married near Rome on Saint Patrick's Day, so i will visit for a few days.
@robjohn Indeed! The ratio $d/\tau$ is sometimes called celerity. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_velocity There's some more info on math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/Rocket/rocket.html And I have a derivation of some related stuff here: physics.stackexchange.com/a/345492/123208
@copper.hat cool. It would be interesting to visit Europe some day
@PM2Ring I remember bringing that up to Dr William Kaufman, who was the director of the Griffith Observatory, and he poo-pooed me because I was in 7th grade.
Written exams were only invented a few centuries ago. Partly to deal with the subjectivity of oral examination, but also to enable the professors to handle a larger number of students in a timely fashion.
@robjohn Well, "everyone knows" you can't go faster than c. :) But (mean) celerity is a useful quantity if you want to zip around the galaxy, and you aren't concerned that centuries will pass on Earth during your absence.
Of course, the amount of energy required to do that is insane, even if you have an ideal antimatter-powered engine.
Going fast is not the way to bop around the galaxy. Gotta break on through to the other side ;-)
03:17
It would be nice if some kind of hyperspace / sponge space travel is possible... It'd be a bit sad if the only way to settle the galaxy is in generation ships, or in ships that require the entire current energy budget of Earth just to go a few measly light years in a reasonable timeframe.
03:29
I'm sure I read a book (or 2) by Kaufman. I'm sure he understood about celerity, but maybe he thought you were claiming that the coordinate velocity $d/t$ would exceed $c$. It's so easy to have misunderstandings when discussing relativity, unless all parties are using the same terminology.
so given two square matrices $A,B$ if $B$ is obtained from $A$ by interchanging ANY two rows, det(B) = -det(A)?
Here's a song about a much more sedate journey: floating down the Mississippi on a raft, Tom & Huck style.
I don't get it.. what if I change row 1 and 3 but then I change 2 and 3, then the 3rd permutation C's determinant is the same as A..
is sudoku literally just matrix manipulation
I haven't touched a puzzle since childhood, Idk how they work
@Obliv This makes no sense. Each row change makes for a factor of $-1$. If you do it twice, then you're back to the original determinant.
right but say I swap R1 and R3, then I swap 2 and 3, giving me R3,R1,R2 in that order
how is that det the same as the original R1,R2,R3 order
03:39
@copper.hat Well, the fact remains that I have had colleagues who literally couldn't be bothered to grade homework in upper-level courses (even), and graded based solely on exams. I asked some of these colleagues how our students were supposed to learn to write mathematics and improve ... and he said, "Well, look at me. I made it." He was horrid.
Because it is, @Obliv. That's the beauty of the fact.
That's called a "cyclic permutation" (the order is preserved if you go around in a cycle/circle).
So I could theoretically have a 1000x1000 matrix and jumble it up with row swapping and as long as I keep the count of how many I do, I will have the det..
Oh okay
Doesn't seem convincing but I'll take your word for it.
@TedShifrin I suppose to be fair, most of my university exams were of that nature. Other than labs, I think we had little (or none) graded homework.
i mean university in Ireland
I'm not a fan of that system, but it is all over Europe (and plenty of places in the US).
does this apply to column swapping as well @TedShifrin
@Obliv What about $(-1)^n$ do you not understand? It's a fact. I won't try to motivate it.
Yes.
03:45
@Obliv You can divide the permutations for a given matrix into two sets, known as the odd permutations and the even permutations. The odd ones flip the sign of the determinant, the even ones preserve the sign. Play with permutations of small sequences (length 3 and 4) to see how this works. It's a pretty fundamental thing, and it keeps coming up all over the place in physics, so it's a Good Idea to try & get a solid understanding of it.
@Obliv Ever played with one of these puzzles? (From en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_puzzle)
The legal moves on such a puzzle can only produce even permutations.
No, looks puzzling :P
At first glance I thought it would have a well defined maximum number of moves to solve
but on the page it says there are some unsolvable starting positions
Exactly half of the possible permutations of the numbers are unreachable because they're odd permutations of the initial sequence.
How come there aren't impossible starting positions in a rubix cube @Pm2Ring
Suppose that I have a topological vector space (TVS) X. Let A be a convex open nbd. of 0.Suppose that $x_0\notin A$. Then there exists a continuous linear functional f on X such that f(x_0)=1 and f(a)<1 for all a in A.
@Obliv There most certainly are unreachable patterns on the Rubik's cube! But it's a little more complicated than the sliding block puzzle.
04:00
Let $p_A$ be the Minkowski functional of A. Then, it turns out that $p_A$ is subadditive, positively homogeneous and that $A=\{x\in X: p_A(x)<1\}$. Using which we define a function f($\lambda x_0)=\lambda$, which extends to f (using the same notation) satisfying $f( x)\le p_A(x)$.
Oh so you could be evil and peel the stickers and make an unsolvable rubik's cube :D
From here, how to conclude that $f$ is bounded/continuous?
@Obliv There's no need to mess with the stickers. You can be evil & dismantle the cube & reassemble it into an odd permutation, making it impossible to solve.
We only have $f(x)\le 1$ in a nbd. of 0 (in $(-A)\cap A$). So how do we get $|f(x)|\le 1$?
@PM2Ring Also not entirely sure what you mean by dividing the permutations into even and odd. Swapping R1 and R2 gives you a -, but doing it again makes it positive again? so how would you say one is an odd or even permutation
(in the context of determinants I guess)
04:06
There's a classic old Web page that teaches introductory group theory, with the later sections focused on the Rubik's cube. It's quite good, IMHO. It's a shame that the author didn't continue it. dogschool.tripod.com
will check it out, thank you.
Every day market hits new bottom these days.
nvm, I got the answer to my question.
@Obliv If you start from an even permutation swapping one row takes you to an odd permutation. And if you start from an odd permutation, swapping 1 row takes you to an even permutation.
^ That should say "swapping one pair of rows".
 
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Statistics has to be the least objective math there is
Can anyone please explain proof of proposition 2.18?
I don't understand the part 'the same holds for $q^{-1}$.'
Suppose that y is the unit ball in Y. Then $\|q^{-1}(y)\|=\|[x]\|$ for some [x] in the unit ball in X/ker T.
So $q^{-1}$ maps unit ball in Y into a unit ball in X.
how to prove the onto part?
06:02
@CottonHeadedNinnymuggins I always hated it :(. I've a course this semester
me too, regression stuff. It's hard to tell when I'm wrong or just have a different preference for what I'm looking at. Drives me crazy
Nice car btw
Thanks, it's not mine lol. Koenigsegg Agera RS1. Nice username
06:37
@Koro maybe I'm misunderstanding the issue, but if x is in the unit ball of X/ker T, then q(x) is in the unit ball of x, so $x=q^{-1}(q(x))$ is in the image through $q^{-1}$ of an element of the unit ball of Y. But x was arbitrary so we're done
Salud, demonic @Alessandro
07:17
Hi @Ted, how are you doing?
Doing fine, thanks, and you?
@Ted up late tonight?
All good thanks, keeping busy with maths
07:34
@robjohn sorta.
07:46
Suppose that D is a countable dense subset of R. Then there can not exist a function f:R->R which is continuous exactly on D.
Hint 1 (showing that the set of points C at which f is continuous is a G_\delta set.): Take $U_n=$ union of all open sets U, diam U <1/n. Then $C=\cap U_n$.
This is okay.
Hint 2 (show that D is not a G_\delta set): Suppose on the contrary that it is so. Then $D=\cap W_n$, where $W_n$ is open in R. Define $V_d= R-\{d\}$. Then show that W_n and V_d are dense in R.
Suppose that W_n and V_d are dense in R. How does this contradict that D is not a G_\delta set?
W_n is dense because it contains a dense set. V_d is dense by definition.
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Q: Countable Dense Set not a $G_{\delta}$ set? Where's the contradiction?

user193319 Prove the following theorem: Theorem: If $D$ is a countable dense subset of $\Bbb{R}$, there is no function $f : \Bbb{R} \to \Bbb{R}$ that is continuous precisely at the points of $D$. (a) Show that if $f : \Bbb{R} \to \Bbb{R}$, then the set $C$ of points at which $f$ is continuous is a $G_{\del...

I got it. :-)
 
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09:38
To prove something is not bijection we must prove all of the function is not bijection but the proof only involves one specific function.
I don't think cantor diagonalization proves (0,1] is uncountable.
09:56
What if there is another way to count it?
10:08
Ignore it I asked a stupid question. I forgot about uniqueness property.
11:06
@AlessandroCodenotti yeah, I don't know what I was thinking at that time.
:(
11:41
Can someone please look into this question? I shared my work but I don't get the answer
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Q: Line is passing through point (0,a) making with OY axis angle Ï• . Find pdf and cdf of intersection point of line with OX axis.

unit 1991Line is passing through point $(0,a)$ making with $OY$ axis angle $\phi$. Find pdf and cdf of intersection point of line with $OX$ axis. a)$\phi \in [0,\pi/2],b)\phi \in [-\pi/2,\pi/2].$ I stared on this problem a lot but can't get any idea how to solve this. Can you give some hints? My work. $y=...

 
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14:05
Let
$E ⊂ (0, 1)$
be the set of all real numbers with decimal representation using
only the digits $1$ and $0$:
$E := \{ x ∈ (0, 1) : ∀j ∈ N, ∃d_{−j} ∈ \{1, 0\} \text{ such that } x = 0.d_{−1}d{−2} . . .\}$.
$f : E → ℘(N) \text{ s.t if }
x ∈ E, x = 0.d_{−1}d_{−2} . . .,
f(x) = \{j ∈ N : d_{−j} = 1\}$.
I am trying to prove that f is injective. This is my reasoning. Set $f(x)$ tells us about the position of $1$ and $N-f(x)$ tells about position of $0$. From this it implies that if $f(x)=f(y)$ then $x=y$.
@Koro Is this the idea?
 
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15:16
Is it true in general that mathematician use $\times$ for the cross product and physicist use $\wedge$? I thought it's the contrary
@SineoftheTime It's not universal either way. Most mathematicians use \wedge for the wedge product, which is distinct from the cross product.
However, you will find in some situations, a mathematician might opt for \wedge because \times is already used elsewhere and might be easily confused.
15:58
Hi! any idea what is $C_0(\mathbb R)$ space?
@PNDas Probably the set of continuous functions on $\mathbb{R}$ that vanish at infinity.
@PNDas Does it make sense if it is continuous functions $\mathbb R\to\mathbb R$?
Or maybe "vanishing at infinity"?
@PNDas Same as above, but with at least zero derivatives, probably.
Here they iused this notation
@XanderHenderson okay thanks
16:00
Again, I don't know. Those are questions for the askers, I suppose.
For example, $C_0$ could be the space of compactly supported continuous functions.
Depending on the author.
Okay in the first link they defined the space but in the second link they didn't
Here it means continuous functions which vanish at infinity because fourier transform of $L^1$ function is uniformly continuous and vanishes at infinity (by Riemann lebesgue lemma).
But it's a very confusing notation
16:34
@NotTfue yes
@Koro So my proof is logically sound right?
or do I need to put more details?
There is one minor issue though, but it can be fixed.
1/2 for example has two binary representations 0.100000... and 0.01111....
@anak sure, but I thought it was the opposite :)
@Koro Not relevant here, as the problem is about decimal representations, not binary representations.
16:49
@Koro Oh I already set inequality I forgot put that on my proof.
Now it feels quite convincing :)
17:10
Hi can x!-y! Be expressed differently (Not Just writing ist Out)
@XanderHenderson $\frac12$ also has two decimal representations.
It is not a big deal, and can easily be worked around.
yeah, the exercise involved a construction involving numbers having only the digits 1 or 2 (and in particular, not 9 and not 0) in their decimal expansions, which do not raise the concern
Why does the Principe of induction Not Work in gödels incompleteness, Like OK there ist a Statement that ist true but Not provable by some theory, then add that and all next Statements too that occur by the Same logic
that book seems to be squeezing a whole lot of exercises/arguments out of one construction
@leslietownes Oh, I was just looking at the standard diagonalization argument, and didn't realize we were discussing something else. I need to read back more.
17:20
not to exaggerate too much, but reading back more on that particular problem/family could take the better part of several days. i recommend against it.
@SAJW Could you say that in a different way?
im having a bit of trouble seeing why the $b_j$ in the LHS of the inequality needs to be complex conjugated D:
i see that the proof provided by Rudin wouldn't work (at least in the same way), but I don't see an actual reason for it having to be complex conjugated
@XanderHenderson Oh right. I didn't see that carefully.
the result would be true without the conjugates, so in some sense this inequality doesn't "require" the conjugates. the conjugates do make the thing inside | |^2 on the LHS a complex inner product on C^n, which it would not be without any conjugates.
ah okay
17:33
if that's rudin, however, i'm not sure he ever uses the complex inner product on C^n that much. it's just a common way of writing it, for those who do use it.
physicists sometimes put the conjugate in the first variable (over the a's) instead of the second
:P i wish there were some footnotes or something which made the precise connection between the complex modulus and so on with metric spaces, inner product spaces and so on
oh gosh i misunderstood the proof. the same proof works for non conjugated
that is strange :P i would think that such a nontrivial detail would actually matter in the proof but i guess maybe like you mentioned one is to think about innerproducts
@SAJW If $x\ge y$, why not factor it out as $x!-y! = y!\big(x(x-1)\cdots (x-y+1) - 1\big)$?
@anak This is more a question of which part of the world you come from. The European school (including South America) tends to use $\wedge$ for $\times$. It really confuses people, ultimately, because a bivector is not a vector. (Of course, physicists will be careful to call the cross-product a pseudovector rather than a vector.)
@robjohn Yes, but not with only 0s and 1s.
The problem is about real numbers with decimal expansions containing only zeros and ones.
18:03
$H\times 1$ and $1\times K$ are both normal in $H\rtimes_\phi K$.
No.
Try the easiest example.
Oh right. Only $H\times 1$ is normal.
The other one is normal iff $\phi: K\to Aut(H)$ is a trivial homomorphism.
the little triangle even points at the one that's always normal
I see that in the lecture note sent by my algebra teacher, the examples for semi-direct product match with the examples in Keith Conrad's article.
Keith Conrad is also on mse :-).
I never remember what that notation means.
18:15
Yes. If the homomorphism $phi:K\to Aut(H) $ is trivial then the semi direct product is nothing but direct product
@SouravGhosh your image says a cow is homotopically equivalent to S^2 :((
Aren't you homotopically equivalent to a cow?
Ohh.
We are all T2 spaces then.
Isn't that so, regardless?
yes, regardless.
18:20
Topology is interesting :)
yeah
Suppose that H and K are solvable. Given $\phi: K\to Aut (H)$, a homomorphism, then their semi-direct product is also solvable.
Warning: Your language is misleading. There are usually lots of possible semi-direct products.
(fixed)
So I have two series $\{1\}= H_0\subset H_1\subset H_2 \subset ...\subset H_n= H, \{1\}=K_0\subset K_1\subset...\subset K_m= K$, such that the factor groups are abelian.
Presuming I understand that I use $\phi$ to build the semi-direct product, yes.
But not sure how to go from here.
yes, this $\phi$ is used to build the semi direct product in the statement.
18:26
Presumably you have to figure out how to combine $\phi$ with $K_i$ and $H_j$, or what "combinations" are possible.
G be a group, then G is solvable iff there is a normal subgroup N of G such that N and G/N are both solvable.
where is the dude that called it a conspiracy theory? wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a
@shintuku was that you?
I'm just name dropping right now
Sourav's theorem might be useful to @Koro.
Hi Ted
how are you
I haven't thought about this stuff since the beginning of graduate school, when I took my algebra qualifying exam.
Hi, Shmo. Doing fine, thanks. Leaving momentarily.
18:30
something I said?
I graduated grad school recently
Oh, congratulations! You mean, your first graduation?
after ~7,8 years in the making..
first & last in grad school, wdym?
I was doing a masters, not a doctorate
Oh, I thought you were contemplating continuing on to the doctorate.
I'm actually probably gonna go back to do a phd in retirement
Ah, see, I was right.
18:31
I was, still am.
as always!
Let's not exaggerate.
but I hit 30, need to work, cant afford another ~3,4 years in school
@SouravGhosh Oh I see. I didn't know that theorem before. Thanks.
@JoeShmo congratulations!!
in Izzy (probably other places in EU, too) you actually get paid a nice stipend NOT to get a part-time job when youre in grad school
thanks @Koro!
@JoeShmo but still, is stipend enough?
18:35
it will definitely carry you over for a couple years
Not if you're used to living high on the hog with a good job.
yeah it's not that kinda money
the only advantage could be: it's tax free.
but I was surprised at how generous it was relatively
~5500 shekels/moth IIRC
A continuous map $f:\mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{R}$ that maps every dense set to a nowhere dense set is constant
Is this valid?
18:36
in Jerusalem, where the cost of living is lower than.. NY
idk if it included living arrangements
@SouravGhosh such continuous function should not exist if the dense set is countable.
I think actually that was on top of some other money that the university threw at you actually
I mean the function which is continuous exactly at a countable dense subset of R.
dunno. and it was for computer science. the department that has $$$
It's continuous on all of $\Bbb R$. Use the IVT.
18:38
@JoeShmo oh I think one of my batchmates is in the university there.
HUJI?
fantastic school
@Koro I am not talking about continuity on $\Bbb{R}$
there are two universities there... I don't remember the name of the one.
Weizmann
Tel Aviv
He did his engineering in Biotechnology.
18:40
Technion
yes^ :-)
and is doing maths (ph.D or masters, I dunno) now there.
oh interesting
:-)
you start with a masters in Israel, then if youre good you can continue to a doctorate
thats also how it works in EU
same same in US, but masters programs are typically for profit
@TedShifrin Nice hint :) Continuous maps are Darboux map ( maps connected set to connected set/preserves interval)
18:42
not biotechnology (this one went to Illinois, and graduated in maths), the guy I mentioned above did his engineering in Physics.
interesting
there's a lot of biotech going on in these institutions too, that's what I thought he was doing there
How many conjugacy classes of subgroups of order 15 in S_15 possible?
Let G acts on the class of all subgroups, then size of the class of conjugate subgroups is [G: N_G(H) ]
(By orbit -stabilizer theorem)
Any hint to proceed further?
I think that you can use the fact that all conjugates have the same cycle type.
@Koro Conjugate subgroups
$\sigma $ and $\tau$ in S_n are conjugate iff $\sigma$ and $\tau$ have the same cycle type.
Ohh
I thought elements. Please ignore.
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Q: Proof for: semidirect product of solvable groups is solvable

michaelDo you know the proof for the following statement or where I can find it? Semidirect product of solvable groups is solvable? I thought that this property is so general that it should somewhere on the Net, but unfortunately I didn't find the answer. Thanks

Why is $G/K\simeq H$ here?
@SouravGhosh: I tried to prove the result you stated. I understand the proof. But not sure how to apply that here:
So we want to show that $H\rtimes K$ is solvable provided H and K are.
$H\times 1$ is normal in the SDP. Since H is solvable, $H\times 1$ is too and we get a series for this.
K is solvable, so $\{1\}=K_0\subset K_1\subset...\subset K_n= K$, with $K_i/K_{i-1}$ abelian, $K_i$ normal in $K_{i+1}$.
Using the theorem, you mentioned: it is enough to show that $H\rtimes K/H\times 1$ is solvable.
But not sure how to break the SDP here.
19:53
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Q: Suppose that H and K are solvable. Given $\phi: K\to Aut (H)$, a homomorphism, then $H\rtimes_\phi K is also solvable.

KoroSuppose that $H$ and $K$ are solvable. Given $\phi: K\to Aut (H)$, a homomorphism, then their semi-direct product $H\rtimes K$ is also solvable. I came to know that I need to use the following theorem here: A group $G$ is solvable iff there exists a solvable subgroup $N$ such that $G/N$ is solvab...

20:07
Does anyone remember the theorem which goes something like this: If G is a finite group, H is a subgroup. Let i be index of H in G. If i! (i factorial) is not divisible by something, then something happens?
@Koro Yeah! That's "Whose It's Theorem".
haha
You can find a complete proof in that one book. You know, the one with the cover and the pages.
I saw this theorem in Herstein's but I don't remember the statement.
The proof goes something like this: G acts on left cosets of H in G. Then, I don't remember...
I mean, that's pretty much how every proof goes.
20:24
I don't understand why my question was closed
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Q: Suppose that H and K are solvable. Given $\phi: K\to Aut (H)$, a homomorphism, then $H\rtimes_\phi K$ is also solvable.

KoroSuppose that $H$ and $K$ are solvable. Given $\phi: K\to Aut (H)$, a homomorphism, then their semi-direct product $H\rtimes K$ is also solvable. I came to know that I need to use the following theorem here: A group $G$ is solvable iff there exists a solvable subgroup $N$ such that $G/N$ is solvab...

@XanderHenderson: can you please take a look at this? Thanks.
20:49
Hello everyone!
Can a regular curve have self-intersections?
@MagnusAlexander Yes, unless your definition includes one-to-one.
Ok. I have a following task: Let the rank of the Jakobi matrix of the correspondence $f: \mathbb{R}^n \rightarrow \mathbb{R}^m$ is $n$ for each point. Prove that f translates regular curves into regular curves
21:15
@XanderHenderson I'm sorry. I replied to leslie about my mistake.
Oh! Missed it! Sorry!
I'll be quiet, now.
21:35
Nah, it was my bad.
Why is every finite subgroup of C* is cyclic?
Suppose not. Then how to get the contradiction?
Suppose that o(G)=n, where G is finite subgroup of C*. If g is any non identity element, then $g^k=1$ for some $k|n$. Suppose that k<n. Then there is g' in G not in <g>.
But not sure how to go from here
a lot of the most popular proofs use a teensy bit o' field theory.
the set of elements of order d in a subgroup of the multiplicative group of a field is contained in the set of solutions of x^d = 1. and if you toss out the roots corresponding to elements with orders properly dividing d there are at most phi(d) elements of order exactly d. but sum_{d | n} phi(d) = n, so if n is the order of your group, you have to have exactly phi(d) elements of order d for each d dividing n. in particular phi(n) >= 1 element of order n.
i'm not sure if i'd even call that field theory. just counting solutions to a polynomial equation.
in C* maybe you can do something more concrete. these things lie on the unit circle and one of them makes a smallest positive angle with the positive x axis?
21:56
Mmh i think of gödels incompleteness vs consistency Like the halting Problem, because the solution i ready where very similar. But ist the Numbers of "different" unprovable Statements Infinite? Like different thoughtbranches of a Axiom based system. That there are infinitely many of the Same branch i understand by now.
Sorry for Bad capitalization
Thanks, Leslie. I understood it now.
22:11
what would you say the story of an introductory real analysis class is

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