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00:07
ted, would you mind greatly if i added the complex-geometry tag to math.stackexchange.com/questions/4535669/…
Why not quaternionic?
i dare you to
set-theory also seems like a good fit. i wonder if asaf is up.
is there a convex-optimization tag?
latin-square seems appropriate
all that locus pocus
its a battle between my internal snide sarcastic cynic and my kinder gentler side (huh?)
the mad raging pugilist irishman and the maudlin poet irishman
the devils on your shoulder
00:19
the drunk and the guilty hangover
 
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03:10
ooh-whee
i can hardly contain myself, the excitement.
new green for accepted answer and saves instead of bookmarks.
what will they think of next?
(son returned to college this morning resulting in an exceptionally bad mood.)
strange given that there is a $\max$ of 5 mins interaction during the day.
Are you sulking again?
not in the sulking phase yet
My Eustachian tube has blocked. Ugh.
my daughter is down in lala land until saturday, so i am not getting my daily abuse
sorry to hear about it
apparently i have 'eustachian tube dysfunction'.
03:15
Permanently?
apparently.
the only advice the doctor gave me was to put on weight
Never heard thereof.
You can have 20 of my lbs.
i think he made it up.
Yeah … how is that revelant?
he figured adding weight might expand the tube in some magical way
i did try, but back then i was very active
now i have nice crunching sounds whenever i swivel my neck, so the minor auditory impact on hearing pales.
i want a refund on my body.
03:18
Mine’s sinus-caused :(
hopefully treatable?
Every disk in my back has bad stenosis. Wanna trade?
lemme think....
sorry
So stop sulking!
ok :-). i'm off to chez panisse in a moment
buying vouchers as birthday presents
my rate of getting downvotes has dramatically dropped in the last few weeks.
03:27
Oooh. So jealous!
Maybe it’s time to venture back to the Bay Area.
Where is the border between north and south cal?
Sorry, that was an easy Google :-)
I’ve lived in CA 25+ years and have no answer.
The central valley is neither.
04:00
its just south of morgan hill :-)
there are at least 4 californias bay area, north cal, south cal, central valley
Gilroy is south Cal? That’s absurd!
user: some stuff is very definitely one or the other but like ted said no clear boundary.
maybe we need another california
gilroy is in the central valley equivalence class
berkeley is its own bubble
so naive i was on arrival, i thought berkeley was representative of the usa
berkeley isn't even representative of berkeley. that would be too much work, man.
well, ever since caffe med closed...
04:17
Berkeley is so different now from the 60s and 70s. Sorta depressing to me.
It is essentially a private school for wealthy foreigners.
Makes me resent the non resident tuition that I had to scrape up every semester :-).
No loan forgiveness there.
oops, slipping into the void again...
04:48
0
A: lebesgue measurable subset of $\mathbb{R}$ such that every subset of $S$ is measurable, Then measure of $S$ equal to

Dominic MichaelisDo you know the construction of the vitali set? Just assume that $\mu(S)\neq 0$ and use the vitali set construction on $S$. So you see the only subsets of $\mathbb{R}$ with this proberty are null sets. A rough sketch for the vitali set: Define on $[0,1]$ an equivalence relation via $$x\sim y ...

Does this answer make any sense?
I mean: it shows only Vitali construction and not how it is to be applied to S.
05:36
yep.
06:05
makes sense to me, side note, what an awkward fit for a multiple-choice question
i'd love to see the rest of the questions on that exam
 
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09:20
Hello 👋
Mind if I ask you guys a question, I have been confused for quite a while
I have a question about Locus, I always get confused in words.

You see the definition of locus is this:a set of points satisfying a certain condition.

But in many examples I see them saying "locus of points" For example, the locus of points that are 1cm from the origin is a circle

But if we put the definition in this sentence instead of "Locus" it won't make sense. 🥺 I have been confused about this for quite a while
What do you think "the condition" is?
For example all the dots be 3 c.m away from dot A
Yes, all those dots satisfy your condition, are collectively called the locus.
09:31
I mean we can't say a set of points satisfying a certain condition of points, in this sentence, I just replaced locus with its definition. It makes no sense :'(
62047071 yes I exactly agree. But why locus of points again. Sorry if I am bothering you.
"locus of points" is just a bit redundant. Don't worry about it. It's like "ATM machine" or "PIN number".
Think about it this way, what are the solutions to x^2 + y^2 = 1.
All points (x,y) that satisfy the equation.
They collectively make up the locus of solutions.
> the set of the points that satisfy some property is often called the locus of a point satisfying this property. The use of the singular in this formulation is a witness that, until the end of the 19th century, mathematicians did not consider infinite sets. Instead of viewing lines and curves as sets of points, they viewed them as places where a point may be located or may move.
wordy, but true^
Yeah, I read all sites about it ;-)
Thanks, I keep thinking about it till I get it
09:38
Just think of a locus as a solution set.
I don't know if that Wiki quote's quite correct, but it's certainly true that we didn't have a rigorous definition of sets, particularly infinite sets, until Cantor.
Locus = collection
A locus of grasshoppers...
Sorry, do you think locus in the locus of points means to set or collection?
Cause I used to think the same
Well, the locus is more like the place where the collection may be found. Its location.
09:41
I hate the fact that I get confused about these things, :'(
How else are you going to understand?
Ok gotta go, but thank you all I will think about your replies
Noticing when you're confused is good. It let's you recognise that you don't understand something sufficiently well.
Thanks for asking
:-)
Eliezer Yudkowsky said an interesting thing about confusion. From lesswrong.com/posts/5JDkW4MYXit2CquLs/…
> Your strength as a rationalist is your ability to be more confused by fiction than by reality. If you are equally good at explaining any outcome, you have zero knowledge.
09:53
Ok so I thought about it and came to this conclusion : ( as we know locus is a set of dots that have the same characteristic, so for example ' locus of points 1cm away from dot A means that in our locus in our set of dots, these dots they are all 1 I'm away from point A
In my opinion except 'of' that had to write which : like the locus which dots are...
@PM2Ring wow beautiful =-O
 
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11:02
1 hour ago, by PM 2Ring
Well, the locus is more like the place where the collection may be found. Its location.
@Shadowsparkle For example, the locus location of points that are 1cm from the origin is a circle
loci = locations
The method of loci is a famous memory strategy.
11:36
You see the definition of locus is this: a location of points satisfying a certain condition.
put the definition of "locus" as "location" in this sentence and it will make sense
 
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15:29
There's a theorem in my textbook that says:

"Let $S \neq \emptyset$, $S \subseteq R$ such that

i) $S$ is closed under subtraction
ii) $S$ is closed under multiplication

Then $S$ is a subring of $R$."

When I use something like this, I know that I first have to show that $S$ is nonempty and a subset of $R$, but once I've done that can I then assume the other properties of a ring to show that the above two things hold?

Like if I needed to assume associativity to show that $S$ is actually closed under subtraction.
Inspired of this question : What is the largest known semiprime which can be expressed with a short description , such as $$3^{227}-2^{227}$$ ? Powers , factorials , primorials and sums are allowed.
But the product of two huge known primes is of course not , since the problem is then trivial.
Aditionally, the smaller prime factor should be relatively large (say at least $10$ digits) to avoid Wagstaff-primes or similar stuff.
15:46
@UnderMathUate Is R a ring?
kinda wonder when someone downvotes an answer on a closed question.
@Koro Yep
Then, why do you think that associativity won't hold for S?
Elements of S are also elements of R...
Lol, well I don't have any reason to think it wouldn't. I guess I just wanted to be on the safe side.
That makes sense, though. Thank you.
15:57
or this
or this
16:17
@copper.hat depends on why the question was closed. If it was a duplicate, then I can easily see voting on answers. If it was a poor question, and likely to be deleted, then it is a bit odd.
Hello. I know that the statement $\liminf\limits_{n\to\infty}|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}|>1\Rightarrow \sum_{n=0}^{\infty}a_n$ diverges is false (here $(a_n)_{n\in\mathbb{N}}$ is a sequence of nonzero real numbers) but I can't see where the following proof of the false statement, which I had come up with before encountering a counterexample to the statement of the theorem, goes wrong.
@robjohn just closed, but over a year ago.
Let $L=\limsup\limits_{n\to\infty} \left| \frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n} \right|$; then there exists a subsequence $\left(b_k\right)_{k\in\mathbb{N}}=\left(\left|\frac{a_{n_k+1}}{a_{n_k}}\right|\right)_{k\in\mathbb{N}}$ such that $\lim\limits_{k\to\infty}b_k=L$ so if we take $\varepsilon:=\frac{L-1}{2}$ we have that there exists $K\in\mathbb{N}$ such that $|b_k-L|\leq\varepsilon$ for every $k\geq K$ hence $b_k\geq\frac{L+1}{2}>1$ for every $k\geq K.$
So if $k>K$ we have $|a_{n_k}|=\left|\frac{a_{n_k}}{a_{n_{k-1}}}\right|\cdot \left|\frac{a_{n_{k-1}}}{a_{n_{k-2}}}\right| \cdot \dots \cdot \left|\frac{a_{n_{K+1}}}{a_{n_K}} \right|\cdot |a_{n_K}|>\left(\frac{L+1}{2}\right)^{k-K}|a_{n_K}|=A\left(\frac{L+1}{2}\right)^k$, where $A:=\left(\frac{L+1}{2}\right)^{-K}|a_{n_K}|$ which implies that
$\lim\limits_{k\to\infty}|a_{n_k}|\geq\lim\limits_{k\to\infty} A\left(\frac{L+1}{2}\right)^k=+\infty$ i.e. $\lim\limits_{k\to\infty}|a_{n_k}|=+\infty$ hence $\lim\limits_{k\to\infty} |a_{n_k}|\neq 0$ thus $\lim\limits_{n\to\infty}a_n\neq 0$ and therefore the series $\sum\limits_{n=0}^{\infty}a_n$ cannot converge, as desired. $\square$
Why is a shape enclosed by lines convex?
because the intersection of half spaces is convex
16:21
What is half space?
the points on one 'side' of a line.
Can somebody please help with this question: math.stackexchange.com/questions/4536146/…
And why is this intersection convex
?
the intersection of any number of convex sets is convex. this is basic convex analysis.
@lorenzo you are using $\liminf$ in one place and $\limsup$ in another (i did not read too closely, i need more caffeine).
Bit rough, but thanks @copper.hat
16:26
@copper.hat thanks. Let me reformulate. What I am trying to understand is why my proof of $\limsup\limits_{n\to\infty}|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}|>1\Rightarrow \sum_{n=0}^{\infty}a_n$ diverges is false
@Shinrin-Yoku sorry, unintentional.
@Shinrin-Yoku Is this not a shape enclosed by lines?
@robjohn yeah that was badly phrased, copper got my meaning.
so you are talking about intersections of half-planes.
@lorenzo the $\limsup >1$ only says something about a subsequence. take a sequence that is zero everywhere except every now and then ${1 \over 2^n}, {1 \over 2^{n-1}}$. then the $\limsup$ is $2$ but the sum converges.
half plane is a better term in the context of a plane.
16:34
When optimising a linear function over a polygon one should only check the vertices right? This can be seen geometrically by imaging the image of the polygon in 3d space
am I rite?
or wrong?
well, a solution must exist at a vertex. this is true in $\mathbb{R}^n$.
it is the basis of the simplex method.
that’s what I say, is my intuition rite?
@copper.hat I know, but if a subsequence doesn't converge to $0$ then the original sequence shouldn't converge to $0$ too so the series shouldn't converge because the necessary criterion for convergence ($\lim\limits_{n\to\infty}a_n=0$) is not satisfied; that was the idea behind my proof and I still can't see where it failed.
that said, for convex problems in general, interior point methods triggered an explosion in numerical techniques for convex algorithms.
I misspelled right twice, sorry about that. Otherwise my English is immaculate.
16:36
I'm still not comfortable with using Fatou's lemma.
and dealing with measurable functions that take positive and negative values both.
and also in proving continuity of measures.
@copper.hat I just need to know if my intuition was correct. Because this is important in a problem I’m solving.
@Shinrin-Yoku a compact convex polygon can be written as the convex hull of a finite number of points. then it is straightforward to show that the $\max$ (or $\min$) of a linear functional over the set is the same as the corresponding on the finite number of points.
and in creating examples in measure theory.
@copper.hat convex polygon?
@robjohn yep, thanks, corrected
16:40
If $\lambda$ is Lebesgue measure, then $|\lambda (E\cap (-x,x])-\lambda (E\cap (-a,a])|\le 2|x-a|$. How can I show this last inequality?
@Shinrin-Yoku a $\min$ or $\max$ need not be attained, for example the functional $(x,y) \mapsto x$ has no $\max$ or $\min$ on the half plane $x+y \ge 0$.
Supposing that $x\ge a$, we have $|\lambda (E\cap (-x,x])-\lambda (E\cap (-a,a])|\le \lambda ((-x,x])-\lambda (E\cap (-a,a])=2x-\lambda (E\cap (-a,a])$
from here, how can one get the inequality?
@Koro suppose $x>a\ge 0$, write $(-x,x] = (-a,a] \cup \text{other stuff}$ and bound the other stuff.
with this, I want to prove that the map $x\mapsto \lambda (E\cap (-x,x])$ is continuous on non negative reals.
$\lambda(E\cap(-x,x]))-\lambda(E\cap(-a,a])\le\lambda(E\cap((-x,x]\setminus(-a,a]))$
16:45
$(-x,x]=(-x,-a] \cup (-a,a] \cup (a,x]$ now take intersection with $E$.
amazing !!
$E\cap (-x,x]=(E\cap (-x,x]-E\cap (-a,a])\cup E\cap (-a,a]$ and now monotonicity.
not sure i would do it that way
I just tried to do a step which probably gave rise to @robjohn 's inequality.
@copper.hat but this one gives the desired result easily :).
Thanks a lot @copper.hat and @robjohn.
@copper.hat but a sol always exists if the set is bounded
yep, if closed & bounded.
(and non empty :-))
16:58
It has to be closed if it’s intersection of half planes no?
if they are closed half planes
Thanks !
17:53
Could maybe someone take a look at my question?
0
Q: Why do I have $\Bbb{E}\left(|\Bbb{E}(X|Y)|\right)=\sum_{y\in E'} \Bbb{E}\left(|\Bbb{E}(X|Y)|\Bbb{1}_{Y=y}\right)$?

Wave I have a question about the conditional expectation of $X$ given $Y$. Let $Y$ be a discrete RV with values in $E$ then we define $E'=\{y\in E:\Bbb{P}(Y=y)>0\}$. There we can compute $\forall X\in L^1(\Bbb{P})$ and $\forall y\in E'$ $$\Bbb{E}(X|Y=y)=\frac{\Bbb{E}(X\Bbb{1}_{Y=y})}{\Bbb{P}(Y=y)}=:\...

Mad
Mad
18:04
Hello. Are open simply connected sets on C imply they are Contractible
I am reading a proof, where the set is only required the set to be open, simply connected subset of C and then they say "Since every closed curve is nullhomotop then ..."
But i thought thats attribute only to contractible spaces
Infact, we said, that Simply connected: Every two curves with the same beginning and end points are homotopic.
Contractble: Every closed curve is nullhomotopic.
So if i have two curves, for example closed and another curve that consists of one point $p_o$ on the closed curve. i can pick the begining and end points of the closed curve to be $p_o$ so if a space is simply connected, it imply contractble, but appearently this is not the case, what am i missing?
18:25
Your definition of contractible is most definitely wrong.
Contractible = the identity map is homotopic to a constant map.
Your definition of contractible is actually the definition of simple connectivity. Something's all messed up. Your definition of simple connectivity is not the usual one, but you can easily prove they're equivalent.
@Mad ... See above. Any closed curve can be broken into two pieces. Reversing the direction of one of them gives you two paths with the same beginning/end points.
Mad
Mad
I have in my notes:
A Connected subset of the reals^n A is called: Contractable, if every cosed C1 curve in A nullhomotopic
You are saying, this is not correct
Correct?
yes, very incorrect
it is actually true that simple connectivity and contractibility are equivalent for open subsets of $\mathbb{C}$, but it's pretty non-trivial!
Mad
Mad
Alright thank you.
i will inform the person who wrote this
matheducators.SE asked if there was even a point in typing prose to mathematics. I through this chat see it can be abused and put in a mixee with all the other budhijeevi content.
19:03
@Mad Yes, incorrect. I gave you the correct definition.
@Thorgott Surely we don’t need to invoke Hurewicz, although I don’t see a trivial proof.
@Nick HUH?
I was thinking of the fact that any open smooth surface deformation retracts to a graph
perhaps I'm missing a simpler argument
I don’t think of CW structures of non-compact things much.
@TedShifrin I don't think of them at all!
@TedShifrin i do not accept huh, I want to publish. give me assignment.
(unless you are are talking about the structure of mediocre CW television shows)
19:07
You’re a mathematical bigot, Xander. We know that.
@TedShifrin 'tis true.
you can construct a so-called spine from a triangulation of an open $n$-manifold
is zander mathologer?
a spine is an $n-1$-dimensional subcomplex on which it retracts
@Nick You spelled my name wrong.
19:08
pretty cool fact, though I never digested the proof
It is like "Alexander", but alcohol free.
I don’t triangulate open things, either.
@XanderHenderson I'm not a wizard to cast spells.
But, yes, it has the homotopy type of its 1-skeleton. Just not sure if I know a proof.
@XanderHenderson Ah yes, the Tsar of all of Russia, with india in her expansion pack.
19:10
@TedShifrin Skeletons are SCARY!
oh no, not the 1-skeleton
there's an obvious triangulation of $\mathbb{R}^2$ whose $1$-skeleton has the homotopy type of an infinite wedge of circles
@Thorgott I stopped reading at the word "obvious". "Obvious" is a four letter word.
I don’t triangulate non-compactly, as I said.
yeah, I don't really either
19:46
hey chat
Hey is for horses.
@XanderHenderson No, hey is for hoarses.
Hay is for Hearses?
This sounds rehearsed.
20:26
Hi, I
Hey folks, I'm an expat and I'm feeling alone - I need to fill my time doing some mathematics. What are some good topics to dive into? Thank you.
do you have previous experience? what math are you into?
I have some experience in combinatorics, but I would like to try something else
do you like computing things? drawing pictures? nothing specific is coming to mind yet but if we narrow it down maybe people will have an idea
how about
20:42
@leslietownes no, I prefer to work on problems with little computation
You could answer this question: "Is there a mixed type surface whose mean curvature vector field is smooth and does not vanish along the curve of type change?"
Lucas numbers identity: $L_{2mn}=L_{2m+2n}+L_{2n-2n}$
@geocalc33 my linear algebra is a little rusty
@AkivaWeinberger why?
Wait I messed up
Lucas numbers identity: $L_{2m}L_{2n}=L_{2m+2n}+L_{2m-2n}$
That's what I meant
why not replace the last term with $L_0$?
20:55
Typo
So why should I be working on this?
I mean, what makes it interesting?
You don't have to if you don't want to
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Q: Find $f(7)$ given $f(x)f(y)=f(x+y)+f(x-y)$ and $f(1)=3$

user170231 Let $f:\Bbb R\to\Bbb R$ such that $f(1)=3$ and $f$ satisfies the functional equation $$f(x)f(y) = f(x+y) + f(x-y)$$ Find the value of $f(7)$. Attempt: If $x=1$ and $y=0$, we find $$f(1) f(0) = 2f(1) \implies f(0) = 2$$ If we fix $y=1$, we get the recurrence relation $$\begin{cases} f(0) = 2 \\ ...

@leslietownes about the weak Banach-Saks property for $c_0$, I still haven't proven it. Could you give me some hint about the method of proof?
Just came up here^
Ok
I was asking about topics to get into - any suggrdtions?
suggestions*
20:58
Any preference?
@user821 Oh sorry I didn't see that
I just posted without reading anything from before
@Jakobian no, I don't mind trying something completely new
Keenan Crane has a great YouTube series on discrete differential geometry that I like
@user821 how about... representation theory?
@AkivaWeinberger I'll check it out, thank you
@Jakobian My friend is in love with representation theory lol - guess I will give it a try
 
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22:06
Hi, could someone explain why the edit got rejected on this question? The answer is clearly wrong if you don't add the "without boundary", and it actually confused me and took me a bit to understand that it was missing... math.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/1847147
Is it because it is a 'minor' edit on a 2010 answer?
possibly. also, for many people, "manifold" = "manifold without boundary" so the "without boundary" would be surplusage
Nah, can't agree with the "for many people", most people think of the general case of possibly nonempty boundary
In any case, I think it's rigged and the rejects weren't thought through properly x') oh well, I guess the next random person who'll end up reading that question will have their 10min of "existential crisis" for not understanding x')
well, irrespective of what people think of, a lot of textbooks would disagree at the level of the definition of "manifold"
the 'with boundary' case is a little harder, and maybe the person who rejected the edit thought that someone familiar with manifolds with boundary would understand the intent of the post without the "without boundary" qualification
The 'with boundary' case is plain wrong though
Also, if I understand this website's guidelines (I hope I do, after all this time here), then it should be understood that people asking questions and people looking for answers are not necessarily gurus in the domain, and sometimes small things can make you feel stupid x') so a simple 2-word clarification was not hurting anyone, quite the contrary
i'm not an expert on site policies, but i don't think "does it help" is the standard for accepting an edit
22:20
Bullet #2 in the "When should I edit" section
Also, bullet #3 to some extent
> Tiny, trivial edits are discouraged - try to make the post significantly better when you edit, correcting all problems that you observe.
also that i guess
Yeah guess so then
all i can say is what our forefather shaggy once said, "it wasn't me"
22:45
@AnthonySaint-Criq with all respect, your “most” is vastly overinflated. A few, some, maybe.
In that context … a compact or closed manifold is without boundary unless specified otherwise. That said, you could add a comment to emphasize your point.
the royal academy of mathematics (i.e. english wikipedia) takes that view, anyway
how's it going, ted? my arm still hurts but the 5g is great in this house
closed always means without boundary
that's a case that is decidedly unambiguous
(well, one might object it's bad terminology, but it is what it is)
Blame topologists.
23:48
What can I look into when calculating $$f(n)=\left|\left\{S \mid S \subseteq \{2,3\ldots n\}, \sum_{x\in S}\frac 1{x^2}=\frac 12 \right\}\right|$$ for a given $n$

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