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@ZaWarudo The function $f$ is concave and $f'(1) = 0$, so $f(x) \le f(1) <0$ for all $x \ge 0$.
Ah, I missed the solution. Good question, though. Is there a natural way this expression arises?
01:50
Not to me.
02:07
I yield to you.
A rare event.
 
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04:13
I expected @robjohn to see it instantly!
 
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06:33
@TedShifrin Did I miss something? Sorry, we’ve been out a lot today getting ready for a vacation in Mammoth.
The question about the scaled normal distribution?
 
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07:50
Suppose matrix $A$ is of the form
$\begin{pmatrix} 1+a_{1}+a_{1}b_{1}+b_{2} & 1+a_{1} & 1 & 0\\ a_{2}+a_{2}b_{1}+b_{3} & 1+a_{2} & 1 & 1\\ a_{3}+a_{3}b_{1} + b_{4} & a_{3} & 1 & 1\\ a_{4} + a_{4}b_{1} & a_{4} & 0 & 1\end{pmatrix}$.
Then $\det(A) = \begin{pmatrix} b_{1}-b_{2}+b_{4} & 1+a_{1}-a_{3}+a_{4}\\ -1-b_{2}+b_{3} & a_{1}-a_{2}+a_{4}\end{pmatrix}$.

I am not sure how to show this? I tried to perform some row and column operations but could simplify matrix $A$.
note that this similar form also holds for larger size of matrix $3k+1 \times 3k+1$
Say for a $7 \times 7$ matrix,
$\det(A) = \begin{pmatrix} b_{1}-b_{2}+b_{4}-b_{5}+b_{7} & 1+a_{1}-a_{3}+a_{4}-a_{6}+a_{7}\\ -1-b_{2}+b_{3}-b_{5}+b_{6} & a_{1}-a_{2}+a_{4}-a_{5}+a_{7}\end{pmatrix}$
any idea how to prove it?
@copper.hat Thank you!
as i see there is a typo above
$det(A) = \det( 2 \times 2 {\rm{matrix}})$
08:36
@BAYMAX nvm
08:57
nvm?
oh ok
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Q: Simplifying the determinant of a matrix.

BAYMAXSuppose matrix $A$ is of the form $\begin{pmatrix} 1+a_{1}+a_{1}b_{1}+b_{2} & 1+a_{1} & 1 & 0\\ a_{2}+a_{2}b_{1}+b_{3} & 1+a_{2} & 1 & 1\\ a_{3}+a_{3}b_{1} + b_{4} & a_{3} & 1 & 1\\ a_{4} + a_{4}b_{1} & a_{4} & 0 & 1\end{pmatrix}$. Then $\det(A) = \det\begin{pmatrix} b_{1}-b_{2}+b_{4} & 1+a_{1}-a...

$$
\begin{align}
\det\begin{bmatrix}a&b&1&0\\c&d&1&1\\e&f&1&1\\g&h&0&1\end{bmatrix}
&=\det\begin{bmatrix}a&b&1&0\\c-g&d-h&1&1\\e-g&f-h&1&1\\0&0&0&1\end{bmatrix}\tag1\\
&=\det\begin{bmatrix}a-e+g&b-f+h&1&0\\c-e&d-f&1&1\\0&0&1&1\\0&0&0&1\end{bmatrix}\tag2\\
&=\det\begin{bmatrix}a-e+g&b-f+h&1&0\\c-e&d-f&1&0\\0&0&1&0\\0&0&0&1\end{bmatrix}\tag3\\
&=\det\begin{bmatrix}a-e+g&b-f+h&0&0\\c-e&d-f&0&0\\0&0&1&0\\0&0&0&1\end{bmatrix}\tag4\\
&=\det\begin{bmatrix}a-e+g&b-f+h\\c-e&d-f\end{bmatrix}\tag5\\
\end{align}
Why not put the matrices in simpler form?
yes but i thought it could be extended generally and only thought i had to index them like $a_{i}, b_{i}$
I think such an expression holds for a general matrix of size $3k+1 \times 3k+1$
the second matrix i think the last column shpould have zeros
?
09:15
@BAYMAX where?
$\det\begin{bmatrix}a&b&1&0\\c-g&d-h&1&0\\e-g&f-h&1&0\\0&0&0&1\end{bmatrix}$
@BAYMAX how do you get that?
you are doing column operations there
0h i thought R2 -> R2 - R4
oh you are doing column operations ok ok
Explanation:
(1): subtract g times the fourth column from the first
subtract h times the fourth column from the second
(2): subtract e−g times the third column from the first
subtract f−h times the third column from the second
(3): subtract the fourth row from the second and third
(4): subtract the third row from the first and second
(5): expand on the third and fourth columns
..
cool
i think this will hold in general for $7 \times 7$, $3k+1 \times 3k+1$ matrices too
do you know what argument can we make for a general matrix?
will the above procedure 1-5 be independent of the size of the matrix?
09:42
$$
\begin{align}
\det\begin{bmatrix}a_1&b_1&1&0&0\\a_2&b_2&1&1&0\\a_3&b_3&1&1&1\\a_4&b_4&0&1&1\\a_5&b_5&0&0&1\end{bmatrix}
&=\det\begin{bmatrix}a_1&b_1&1&0&0\\a_2&b_2&1&1&0\\a_3-a_5&b_3-b_5&1&1&1\\a_4-a_5&b_4-b_5&0&1&1\\0&0&0&0&1\end{bmatrix}\\
&=\det\begin{bmatrix}a_1&b_1&1&0&0\\a_2-a_4+a_5&b_2-b_4+b_5&1&1&0\\a_3-a_4&b_3-b_4&1&1&1\\0&0&0&1&1\\0&0&0&0&1\end{bmatrix}\\
&=\det\begin{bmatrix}a_1-a_3+a_4&b_1-b_3+b_4&1&0&0\\a_2-a_3+a_5&b_2-b_3+b_5&1&1&0\\0&0&1&1&1\\0&0&0&1&1\\0&0&0&0&1\end{bmatrix}\\
10:24
yes it is good to see that it works for other orders too
 
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13:36
Please would someone shed light on why the following was downvoted?
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A: Let $H,K\le G$, abelian $G$, and let $\phi:G\to H$ be a hom. s.t. 1) $\phi(h)=h\forall h\in H$, 2) $\text{Ker }\phi=K$. Show $G=H\oplus K$

ShaunThis is done in three steps: $H,K\unlhd G$ since each subgroup of an abelian group is normal. Let $g\in H\cap K$. Since $g\in H$, we have $\phi(g)=g$, but $g\in K$, so $0=\phi(g)=g$. Thus $H\cap H=\{0\}$. We have $$H+K=\{ h+k\in G\mid h\in H, k\in K\}\subseteq G.$$ Let $g\in G$. Consider $f=\p...

14:15
We'll never know
 
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17:02
gazes into crystal ball "Concentrate and ask again."
17:48
I understand inverse function theorem now :).
yet to reach immersions, implicit function theorem.
18:06
@Shaun Even those of us with lots of experience (e.g., robjohn and I) are repeatedly getting downvoted for no apparent reason. It's hopeless to try to figure it out. However, I would wish that someone explained to that OP that his $\phi(h)=h+K$ in his "attempt" is meaningless.
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wol
wol
Reading a textbook right now, and the author states: “Let $f: S \rightarrow T$ be a function. We say that $f$ is invertible if there is a function $g: T \rightarrow S$ in the opposite direction having the property that $f \circ g(a) = a$ for all $a \in S$ and $g \circ f(c) = c$ for all $c \in $T$. Why is it "for all $a \in S$ and not all $a \in T$?
They messed up. You're of course correct. They reversed the functions in both formulas.
f circ g is a function defined on T, the stuff you plug into it will be in T
Is that a published textbook or someone's class notes?
not substantive, but "a" and "c" are weird choices also, imvho
wol
wol
18:14
It's a newly published textbook for abstract algebra haha
Yes, I try to train my students to pick $s\in S$ and $t\in T$ to help keep track of where you're working.
all i'm doing is wondering who left b out
what did b do
Actually published? Boy, that is sloppy proof-reading. I made sure that the mistakes in my books are a bit further along.
and hopefully they were deeper mistakes. ideally mistakes you need to have to switch way more than a few letters to fix.
If $f\colon X\to Y$, then it really helps to write $f(x)=y$ and to pick elements' names accordingly. I don't deduct points for this, but when students chose $y\in X$, I made very mean comments.
wol
wol
18:16
No comment as I know who some of the proof readers were (undergrads) :)
With my first book (the algebra text), I was responsible for not only the typesetting but also the printing. I was very upset when I discovered, too late, that some of the fonts were not on the disk from which the computer and the printers printed. I was very upset.
By book #3, I expected small errors, even with my careful proofreading. The people who typeset my linear algebra text based on my LaTeX files redid it all and totally ruined it. By the second edition, I got back control.
The publisher hires editors to check basic things (and deal with stylistic language issues).
@wol If that's indicative of the level of care of the author, this is not going to be a pretty ride.
wol
wol
Hahaha ok I won't say anything just in case the author or someone he knows is lurking on here . . .
I will say though there was already another obvious typo in the same opening chapter ...
Generally, authors want you to inform them of mistakes or ambiguous things in their textbooks. They keep errata sheets — now, hopefully, updated regularly and posted on a webpage.
In time, there should be a corrected printing and another edition ... unless the book is not appreciated. There is no shortage of algebra texts and one always wonders what this one does that is so special and good.
wol
wol
Well that's what I thought too but you know sometimes profs need to leave a little momento for their kids
Thank you, @TedShifrin. Also, I believe Arturo Magidin pointed that out in the comments. The conversation was moved to chat.
18:25
I couldn't tell what had happened in that chat, so I didn't add a comment at this juncture.
 
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19:27
Heya, I am self-studying Statistics, and running into several pockets of terminology that just seem to balloon into a never ending supply of extremely similar terminology, each term with its own Wikipedia page.
For example, there is Mean Square, Root Mean Square, Mean Square Error, Mean Square Deviation, Root Mean Square Deviation, Mean Absolute Deviation, Absolute Deviation, Square Deviation, Least Absolute Deviation, Minimum Least Mean Square Error, Median Absolute Deviation, Mean Percentage Error, Mean Absolute Percentage Error, Symmetric Mean Absolute Percentage Error, etc. The more pages I click on, the more associated terms I find.
Is this the sort of thing where people study each concept and gain specific intuitions for each, or is it good enough to just know that these are on Wikipedia to look up? Keeping 30 nearly identical terms straight sound incredibly tedious.
Ask some people who do statistics. Our statistician who used to hang around hasn't been here in ages.
I believe there's stats.stackexchange ... you'd be better off there.
Their chat's pretty unlively but I could try
I would recommend that you study from a good book and not from Wikipedia.
The notion of learning from textbooks has gone by the wayside, particularly since Covid, it seems.
But I know almost no statistics and can't recommend a good book. Perhaps @copper.hat might have a recommendation.
19:31
That's not an easy task when it comes to statistics imo
If @clarinetist ever shows up again, he's trained in statistics and has taught it and would definitely have some ideas. But, as I said, I haven't seen him in ages.
I suspect Youtube (not Wikipedia though) is partially displacing math textbooks as an explanatory tool, although textbooks may still be better for problems.
I've seen plenty of flaky things on YouTube, too. My 112 lectures not among them, of course.
Sorry, nothing relevant to the question, some appear in a natural (as in physics, engineering) context, but often appear because they are easier to compute.
I have a book from mathematical statistics downloaded that person using it told me is solid, but maybe you want a normal statistics book
19:34
@copper I was just thinking you might know some good stat book(s).
Jakobian, it sounds like we're on the elementary side of things.
Not really, all ad hoc I'm afraid.
OK, I yielded to you again, and see what it got me?
The statistician I knew in my grad school days at Berkeley (and I knew him because of bridge!) wrote a really good probability text, but not a stat text.
At the risk of a shower of invective, the notion of a good stats book seems elusive.
19:38
Well, that wouldn't surprise me. Do you write it for a 100-level course or do you write it with the geometric interpretations coming from all the linear algebra? But do most stat majors even know basic linear algebra? Ha.
When I first taught linear algebra my first quarter at UGA, I encountered linear regression as a projection problem (I had only seen it as a calculus exercise and didn't stop to think). When I asked a stat prof friend why they use least squares rather than other things, that friend didn't really have a good answer. I was fraught. "It makes the calculus easier." Wrong answer.
when i was an undergrad a good number of stat majors had a 'fear of math' problem similar to the problem that a good number of ed-oriented math majors had. it was weird, given the choice of major.
it does make that calculus easier, tho.
Yup. But you don't need much math to do undergraduate stat. The math ed issue is more weighty, since they're going to go wreak havoc on generations of kids.
instead of wreaking havoc on generations of decisionmaking.
I did encounter linear regression/least squares first in Linear Algebra. Most of the Statistics videos explaining it just say "here's what it basically is and here's how you compute it in Excel."
I sort of view (stats, probability) and (engineering, maths) in a vaguely similar light. Not a criticism, just different goals.
19:42
I actually found that when I created my algebra course with the math ed folks in mind (trying to tie in a bit more to the things in the high school curriculum rather than keeping it so abstract), a number of them had a much more positive attitude. I mean ... why do we factor? Why is an integral domain important? Ah.
On the other hand, leslie, I hope the stat major can explain why the Z-test tells you that things are more/less statistically significant. I certainly don't understand this.
Sometimes "able to compute" overrules "should we compute".
my wife got an MS in stat. not as part of applying to a stat program but as an adjunct to another degree. the curriculum was "when you write papers, you're gonna wanna put numbers with decimal points in them, and this is how you do that."
i will cling to my premodern fear of numbers and my gut. you can't take those away from me. at least it's honest. i don't lie with Z-tests.
truth is also an elusive ideal
i like darrell huff's 1954 book "how to lie with statistics".
uiowa grad!
he did some regrettable shilling for industry but that book is still a classic.
it is easy to take shots at stats, but someone has got to do it.
19:49
I actually never encountered that book. Interesting. I think politicians do it all the time without having any training.
how else can we gerrymander effectively?
however, one sees stats applications when one gets to products of such volume that far out tails become relevant. not mentioning any of my nda restricted customers
your work increasing the deliciousness of mountain dew baja blast is well known, copper
it's not an nda violation for me to say it
my secret is out
i must say, i am hating full time vs consulting
@TedShifrin The Huff book is amusing, and refreshingly concise.
20:18
it holds up, which is not something you can say about a lot of books, particularly those with an applied focus
Oh, Huff was a journalist, not a statistician.
yes, it is not a 'stat book' in any stat program sense of the word. it is commonly on the syllabus of 'stat for poets'
21:20
hello, i wanted to clarify that it's true that if a set is countable, it forms a bijection with the natural numbers. this is y definition, right? so for proving a bijection exists between set A and the natural numbers, it's enough to show that set A is countable?
by definition *
what is 'by definition' or not varies by your source, but yes, a common definition is that A is countable if there is a bijection between A and the natural numbers
and the most common way of working with that definition to prove that a set A is countable, is to construct a bijection between it and the natural numbers
some of the prose in your question is a little confusing to read. using that definition, you show that a set A is countable by constructing a function from A to N (or from N to A) and proving that the function you have constructed has the properties that make it a bijection
okay i think this hits on what i was confused about - so i do need to show the explicit form of such a function to prove a bijection?
you need to define a function, any way of defining a function will do, as long as you can verify that whatever you are describing is a function. one of the most common ways to define a function is to give an explicit formula for it.
for example if we have a set {1,45,9} & {2,398,1000}, we cannot show these are both bijections with natural numbers without an explicit function? id say both of these can form a bijection but i could nto construct such a function to take 1->2 and 2->398, etc.
not*
OK, this might be a good example of that. "1 goes to 2, 45 goes to 398, and 9 goes to 1000" is a perfectly good definition of a function
i'd even say that it's an explicit formula for the function
it isn't expressed in terms of arithmetic, i.e. "given the input n, do [some operations to n]," but that's not necessary
I agree
ah gotcha
okay thanks
no worries have a good one
21:28
is this a good place to complain about mse as a whole?
people have been known to do that here
mse is math se
great
should I start from the start?
or how does it work
Complaining won't get you anywhere here.
what will sir
how can I climb the mse chat ladder
I am ready, willing
and prepared
You can complain all you want, but my point was that I don't see that doing it here will change anything.
21:33
It can be an effective workout
to sharpen the cut of my jib
Whatever.
well since you don't approve I will take my leave
21:47
@Asinomás the key to many things in life is having a thick skin.
Is there a standard term to describe the fact that an eigenvalue has equal algebraic & geometric multiplicty?
Nope
We can dub it “well-represented eigenvalue”?
some call eigenvalues 'defective' if they don't
so maybe non-defective?
I’ve never seen that.
I was going to use non deficient but it sounds gross.
I'll stick with verbose for now.
it's going to sound like early 20th century 'race science' no matter what phrase you use
21:56
Robust?
Except for numerical confusions …
well endowed
21:59
Funny how certain terms have acquired meaning. I thought well endowed meant Harvard.
But not for an individual (eigenvalue).
I was thinking vectors, of course.
@user10478 Try Casella and Berger
thick skin is for people who don't moisturize
Hi, a Balarka.
22:03
it's a full eigenvalue
Hi Ted
according to the experts
more common even
complete eigenvalue
but alas
not everyone agrees
I’ve never encountered the terminology … I must not read the right stuff. I suspect it’s people in a certain area.
so tread carefully mr copper
I rarely agree with myself.
22:05
Amnesia helps.
What were you saying?
I was going to ventilate my woes
but I was told complaining is for sourpusses and weaklings
You need to go through the abuse phase before complaining is allowed.
I have been suspended for weak-af contributions does that count sir
Speaking of which, the rate at which I get downvoted has dropped significantly.
Is that a formal term, weak-af :-)
22:07
I've been downvoted like 5 times this year
Muahhahahhaha
weak-af is soon to be formalized
if my super pack gets super-ed
I don't know how to write it
I dont want it to be suppered
like food
In fact, a user got deleted and I got a +2 recently.
finally they are deleting the right people
I'm used to "user was removed" equating loss of capital
The best way to get downvotes & abuse is to answer a question on SO.
22:09
you mean the original stack overflow?
that one is for professionals only
I deleted my account there
it has questions from 2010 asking how to make a 2d array
Supposedly I am a professional.
oh in that case: respect
Almost every mass produced electronic device has some software I wrote in its genes.
so u are to blame sir?
Yes, I feel bad about that.
No wonder Ted K targeted my computer.
22:11
it's ok no problem
what?
the una ?
Long story without a happy ending.
Yep
My colleague John was seriously injured.
I was lucky. Some value to being Irish, I suppose.
15 seconds earlier it would have been me.
Long timw ago, '85.
John Harris ?
oh that was 79 sorry
Tough guy.
I expected bombs in Ireland/UK but not in Berkeley.
22:15
the reality of what he did became realer just by this interaction somehow
15 seconds earlier it would have been you ?
I was in the small annex room with John, the pipe bomb was placed beside my terminal. I did not notice it otherwise my curiosity would have opened it.
is he still alive?
Yep. A professor. Smart fellow. I am in awe of his resilience.
so you worked on something ubiquitous?
Not any more. Just making design & validation of circuits faster in a fairly boring way.
It is just a job.
22:24
I remember sometimes you would chat
and say "gotta pay rent"
and come back 1 hour later
and rent had been payed
:-)
Surprisingly, fulltime is less lucrative on average than part time was
But less volatile.
I answered a PSQ. Am waiting for the SWAT team to arrive.
but at some point u stop being worried about rent?
in talk shows they make it feel like rent is always a problem
even food
Nope, that is why I needed less volatile. Plus my wife went on leave. Any my investments went South.
Not that I understand why going South is bad.
south to mexico?
That would be nice.
22:26
I am mexican
we welcome u sir
anyways I'm going to go to sleep
since I was denied my rant
Goodnight :-) Nice chatting.

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