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@Bob math.ucla.edu/~robjohn/math/mathjax.html this link should also appear in the top right of the webpage "Latex in chat"
nvm... it is true
I forgot to take the square root
Bob
Bob
thanks @peek-a-boo
anybody care to look at my post:
Why do you have $3x-x^2=x$? Shouldn't that be $3x$? — John Douma 18 mins ago
Here is the URL for my post:
Why do you have $3x-x^2=x$? Shouldn't that be $3x$? — John Douma 18 mins ago
 
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Just want to share this video about the isolution of $x^{13}= 258145266804692077858261512663$. youtube.com/watch?v=xjIv2qU5qxY
 
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A: Uniform convergence of $\{f_n\}$ satisfying $f_n\left(x + \frac{1}{n}\right) = f_n(x)$ implies that the limit is a constant function

Joe ShmoLet $x \in \Bbb R$ be arbitrary and let $m = m(n) \in \Bbb Z$ be such that $y := x - \frac m n \in \left(-\frac 1 n, \frac 1 n \right)$. Observe, $$ f_n(x) = f_n \left(x - \frac 1 n \right) = f_n \left(x - \frac 2 n \right) = \dots = f_n \left(x - \frac m n \right) = f_n \left(y \right) $$ Since ...

I propose the following: Choose x<y arbitrarily. Since $f_n'$ are uniformly continuous on [x,y], given $\epsilon>0$ there is a $\delta>0$ such that $|f(u)-f(v)|<\epsilon$ whenever $|u-v|<\delta$. Choose $N$ such that 1/N <$\delta$.
Let P_N:={m: x+m/N <y}. P is bounded from above and therefore has a maximum element M.
is P_N nonempty?
are you using uniform continuity of f on all of R here? you start by saying " . . on [x,y]" but the statement about u, v doesn't seem limited to u, v in [x,y] (which is fine it's just an obstacle to a clean read)
M>= (y-x)N-1 so that $y-x-1/M<=1/N<\delta$. Now, $|f(x)-f(y)|=\lim_n |f_n(y)-f_n(x)|=\lim_n|f_n(y)-f_n(x+M/N)+f_n(x+M/N)-f_n(x+(M-1)/N)+...+f_n(x+1/N)-f_n(x)|=\lim_n|f_n(y)-f_n(x+M/N)|\le \epsilon$. Since this is true for every $\epsilon>0$, it follows that $f(x)=f(y)$.
@leslietownes yes.
I want it to be non empty. I think I should put some more restrictions on N for that to happen.
@leslietownes no, I am using the fact that since f_n's are continuous on compact set [x,y], f_n's are uniformly continuous on [x,y].
So I make P_N non empty by choosing 1/N < min (delta, y-x).
instead of choosing 1/N < delta.
with nonemptyness, Well ordering works.
In the exam, this question came with a hint: You may use the following fact: If $f_n\to f$ uniformly on R and $x_n\to x$, then $f_n(x_n)\to f(x)$.
Oh, I mistyped. I should have said: $|f_n(u)-f_n(v)|<\epsilon$ whenever $|u-v|<\delta, u,v\in [x,y]$.
I hope the proof is correct now.
03:33
Is there any other tool to compute the fundamental group of some space (manifold) except van Kampen's theorem?
@JoeShmo
For fiber bundles, there are long exact sequences.
 
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While solving 2nd-degree differential equation using Auxillary equation (m^2 - 4m + 3) I got general solution as c1 e^x + c2 e^3x = y.. But if I still use order reduction then I got another solution as e^ (-2x)/2. Should It be included in general solution ?
@ronakjain assuming that you’re solving y’’-4y’+3y=0, your other solution (e^(-2x)/2) is wrong.
Can anyone please verify the correctness of my proof above? Thanks.
@Koro that solution I got by using order reduction method.. Can you try once using e^3x for order reduction method...
I think I should post that on mse now.
@ronakjain but the ‘solution’ e^(-2x)/2 is not even satisfying the ode.
ok.. I got.. Thanks @Koro
:-)
06:39
Can someone maybe give me a short example where we use tensor products in practice? We have only seen the mathematical aspect without discussing the usefulness in "real life"
06:57
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Q: Showing that a sequence of continuous real valued functions under some conditions converges to a constant function.

KoroSuppose that $\{f_n\}$ is a sequence of continuous real valued functions defined on $\mathbb R$. Suppose that the sequence converges uniformly to a function $f$ and the following holds for all $x\in \mathbb R$ and for all $n\in \mathbb N$ $f_n(x+\frac 1n)= f_n(x)$. Then, it is to be shown that $f...

 
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Can anyone spot a mistake in my work?
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Q: Difference between a measure and a density

opioThe probability measures here are Borel probability measures on $\mathbb{R}^n$. I am a bit confused between measures and their associated densities (i.e. w.r.t Lebesgue measure) mostly with regards to the continuity equation. In particular I seem to get two different solutions when I solve the eq...

11:01
Generally speaking, for a general product, and a span, can we say <u+v> = <u>+<v>?
@Wave check discord
 
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I "just" want to know that this integral is projection onto this eigenspace. I kind of know nothing about functional calculus and so on but I know what unbounded operators are...is there a clean path to this result? preferrably in someone's notes or books?
13:30
@Koro whats up
Hi @JoeShmo
I tried to solve on question that you have already posted an answer to.
I realized the error in my proof.
wait you posted the same question by mistake or y'all get the same homework?
I posted my question for proof review.
I see
I already knew that this question had been asked before.
13:35
gotcha
@robjohn No, sir. using tricks given here here
14:07
Hello, is direct product of $\Bbb Z_4 * \Bbb Z_6$ a set of ordered pairs $(m,n)$ ?
Or can it be infinite sequence $mnmnmn\ldots$ where $m\in \Bbb Z_4, n\in \Bbb Z_6$ ?
A set of ordered pairs.
Wait
14:22
It's finite words in $m$ and $n$
hey guys could someone please guide me with the puntual limit of this function $f_{n}(x)=\chi_{[0, n)} \frac{1}{[x]}$
Sorry, the direct product $A\times B$ is the set of ordered pairs; the free product $A* B$ is a set of finite words of elements in $A$ and $B$ up to some relations
@flowian
@AkivaWeinberger Oh yes, I meant free product!! sorry!
(In category theory terms, the free product is the coproduct in the category of groups, if that means anything)
Thanks, I'm more interested in Algebraic terms though
14:27
in cat theory terms: blah blah, blah blah blah.
(meow meow, meow meow meow?)
very unfunny
That means: a function $G\to H\times K$ is the same data as a pair of functions from $G\to H$ and $G\to K$; a function $G*H\to K$ is the same data as a pair of functions $G\to K$ and $H\to K$
(assuming those are all group homomorphisms)
(if they're just regular set functions, the correct notions would be set product and disjoint union)
In any case, for $\Bbb Z_4*\Bbb Z_6$, first we need a disjoint way of writing the elements of each
Let's say $\Bbb Z_4=\{0,1_4,2_4,3_4\}$ and $\Bbb Z_6=\{0,1_6,\dots,5_6\}$
(it's OK for the identity to be the same in each)
Then an element of $\Bbb Z_4*\Bbb Z_6$ could be something like,
$3_42_61_45_6$
or $3_41_61_63_4=3_42_63_4$
If two adjacent parts of the word are from the same group, you can combine them
right okay!
Note that $3_41_6\ne1_63_4$ - elements of different groups do not commute, which is why I'm not using $+$
(If they did commute it would be the direct product rather than the free one)
14:34
@AkivaWeinberger The last part is very helpful! I am in paricularly looking at quotient $\BBb Z_4 * \BBb Z_6 / N$, where $N$ is normal subgroup of the free product defined.
Defined…?
This sounds like Seifert–van Kampen stuff
the $\Bbb Z_4 * \Bbb Z_6$
Oh sorry I thought you were about to define $N$
@AkivaWeinberger Hmm, possibly if it is close to Bass-Serre Theorem?
Do we know which normal subgroup it is?
14:37
Are you trying to see $\mathrm{SL}_2(\Bbb Z) \cong \Bbb Z_4 *_{\Bbb Z_2} \Bbb Z_6$?
ah yes, sorry. The normal subgroup is defined as $<i_4(a) i_6(a)^{-1}| a\in \Bbb Z_2>$, where the homomorphisms are $i_4 : \Bbb Z_2 \to Z_4$, and $i_6: \Bbb Z_2 \to Z_6$.
@flowian I don't know that theorem. Sounds cool from what little I've read on the Wikipedia page
So is this coming from $\pi_1$ of a graph of groups with a single edge?
@BalarkaSen Actually I'm trying to come up with examples to understand group actions on trees and free products with amalgamations
@BalarkaSen Oh, that's interesting
14:39
@BalarkaSen It is very close to that, yes, but not looking at that particularly.
@flowian Fair enough. This one's a good example.
@AkivaWeinberger Yea, I'm doing summer research project as UG and everything leads to that theorem.
@AkivaWeinberger Proof: Act by $\mathrm{SL}_2(\Bbb Z)$ on $\Bbb H^2$, and look at the orbit of $i$ and $e^{2\pi i/3}$. Connect $i$ and $e^{2\pi i/3}$ by an edge, and throw in the orbit of this as well. Bicolor it, with red on the orbits of $i$ and blue on the orbits of $e^{2\pi i/3}$.
Then you get the Cayley graph (with standard generators) of $\Bbb Z_2 * \Bbb Z_3$, and the action of $\mathrm{SL}_2(\Bbb Z)$ has stabilizer $\Bbb Z_4$ for the red vertices, $\Bbb Z_6$ for the blue vertices and $\Bbb Z_2$ on the edges connecting blue and red vertices.
The quotient graph (the graph of groups @AlessandroCodenotti mentioned) is a single edge.
Wait remind me exactly how ${\rm SL}_2(\Bbb Z)$ acts on $\Bbb H^2$
Mobius transformations
14:46
Ah right yeah
On the half-plane model?
I request feedback, please. The following is a link to the feedback room.
Not ${\rm PSL}_2(\Bbb Z)$?
in Constructive Feedback, 2 mins ago, by Shaun
Please would someone give me some insight into why the following was downvoted?
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A: Let $G$ be a group and $A,B\leq G$ abelian subgroups such that $AB=G$. Show $A\cap B\leq Z(G)$

ShaunI will use the one-step subgroup test. Since $A,B\le G$, they are themselves groups and their identity is the identity in $G$. Thus $e\in A\cap B$. Hence $A\cap B\neq\varnothing$. Since $A$ and $B$ are abelian, all elements $x$ of $A\cap B$ commute with all elements of $ A$ and of $B$. But $G=AB$...

@AkivaWeinberger You can also do that, but then you'd get half of the stabilizers.
$\mathrm{PSL}_2(\Bbb Z) \cong \Bbb Z_2 * \Bbb Z_3$
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What is the inverse of free product $(2_45_6)^{-1}$ in $\Bbb Z_4 * \Bbb Z_6$?

Would the order change?
hey guys could someone please guide me with the puntual limit of this function $f_{n}(x)=\chi_{[0, n)} \frac{1}{[x]}$
15:55
puntual? punctual? pointwise?
ya, pointwise
is this the floor or ceiling on the bottom?
floor function, the pointwise limit is $\frac{1}{[x]}$?
and how i compute this integral $\int \frac{1}{[x] !} \mathrm{d} \lambda(x)$, could u give me some hints pls
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what is $\lambda$? the Lebesgue measure?
well it would just be $\sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac 1 {k!}$, you'd agree
which you would recognize as what?
actually presumably the domain there ought to be $\int_0^\infty$?
exponential series evualted in 1
ya it has to be non negative values on the domain
cool cool
fun fact (also famous fact): what does $\left(1 + \frac 1 n + \frac 1 {n^2} \right)^n$ converge to as $n \rightarrow \infty$?
(if at all)
@flowian $1_62_4$ because $(2_45_6)(1_62_4)=2_4(5_61_6)2_4)=2_42_4=0$
@flowian Also I have no idea if this is the standard notation
and I kinda suspect it isn't
16:22
I know you know @robjohn
booo
You asked it in general. I figured it was simply a question about how the $\frac1{n^2}$ affects the limit
well it is
its a fun limit
its kind of incredible
I assume $e$?
Why stop there? $\lim\limits_{n\to\infty}\left(1+\frac1n+\frac1{n^2}+\frac1{ n^3}+\dots\right)^n$
no finitely many additional terms inside the bracket will affect the limit
yes^ exactly
but infinitely many terms will diverge :-)
16:26
No
Oh lol that's $1/(1-\frac1n)^n$
ah! no!
yes
I was just thinking $\lim(1+\frac1n)^n\le\lim(1+\frac1n+\frac1{n^2})^n\le\lim(1+\frac{1+\varepsilon}n)^n$
so it's between $e$ and $e^{1+\varepsilon}$
you (I) would prove $\left (1 + \frac 1 {n^2} \right)^n$ first
$\left(1+\frac1n\right)^n\le\left(1+\frac1n+\frac1{n^2}\right)^n\le\left(1+\frac1n+\frac1{n^2}+\frac1{n^3}+\dots\right)^n$
sandwich
16:29
By the same logic, it's below $e^\varepsilon$
It's also $e^ie^{-i}$
What's the L'Hôpital way of doing this? You'd want the derivative of $\ln(\cdots)$?
and then $\left( 1 + \frac 1 n + \frac 1 {n^2}\right)^n \le \exp\left(n\log(1 + \frac 1 n)
+n\log (1 + \frac 1 {n^2})\right)$
I have a proof that $\left(1+\frac1n\right)^n$ is increasing and $\left(1+\frac1n\right)^{n+1}$ is decreasing
IIRC those are the rational solutions to $m^n=n^m$ @robjohn
obviously that thing ^ is bounded below by $e$
or something similar
Yeah
16:34
so anyway, its pretty-but-might-be-an-overkill that $\left(1 + \frac 1 {n^2} \right)^n \rightarrow 1$, and there you go
@JoeShmo Wait, sorry, what's your proof that $(1+\frac1{n^2})^n\to1$ here?
@robjohn Oh?
@AkivaWeinberger here
I think I recently generalized it a bit to $\left(1+\frac xn\right)^n$ is increasing and $\left(1+\frac xn\right)^{n+x}$ is decreasing.
Also yeah I checked - if $x^y=y^x$, both rational, and $x<y$ (so they're not equal), then there's a natural number $n$ such that $x=(1+\frac1n)^n$ and $y=(1+\frac1n)^{n+1}$
That's why, if you graph $x^y=y^x$, the trivial branch and the nontrivial branch seem to intersect at $(e,e)$
@AkivaWeinberger Thanks, makes sense. Yea I think it's not.
@AkivaWeinberger yes, I included that in at least one answer.
16:42
@AkivaWeinberger, $\left(1 + \frac 1 {n^2} \right)^n = \sum_{k = 0}^n {n \choose k} \frac 1 {n^{2k}} = 1 + \frac n {n^2} + \frac{n(n-1)}{n^4} + \ldots + \frac 1 {n^{2k}} \le 1 + \frac 1 n + \frac 1 {n^2} + \frac 1 {n^3} + \ldots = 1 + \left(\frac{1}{1 - \frac 1 n} \right) -1 = \frac n {n-1} \to 1$
Did you forget the binomial coefficients in the second equality?
Oh, but it doesn't matter
'cause they end up in the denominator anyway
I was thinking you should have $\frac{n(n-1)}{2n^4}$
@robjohn Does that answer mention that this gives all rational solutions?
yes, I did forget them, and yes, the bounds still hold
even more so :-)
anyway, so this proves $\left(1 + \frac 1 n + \frac 1 {n^2} + \frac 1 {n^3} + \ldots + \frac 1 {n^k} \right)^n \to e$ for all $k$, incidentally
Can anyone see where I made a mistake? in this question math.stackexchange.com/questions/4474646/… it seems like if I solve the continuity equation for a measure and then transform to a density I get a different answer if I solve the equation for a density straight away.
@JoeShmo What about $(1+\frac1n+\frac1{n^{3/2}})^n$?
dunno, have to think about that. more of the same stuff probably, no?
16:55
L'Hôpital tells me it's $\exp\left(\dfrac{1+\frac320^{1/2}}{1+0+0^{3/2}}\right)=e$, which is reasonable
sounds right
wolfram says its e
so its probably right
If $\lim_{x\to0}f(x)=1$ and $\lim_{x\to0}f'(x)=c$, then $f(\frac1n)^n\to e^c$
oh there's a bunch of typos up there ^ I'm also doing the unnecessary +1 -1
I was copying from my piece of paper from last night, messy.
Or, said another way, $(1+\frac1nf(n))^n\to e^{f(\infty)}$
and in that last example, $f(n)=1+\frac1{n^{1/2}}$
That's probably a decent exercise to prove directly.
Perhaps starting with the case where $f(n)\to0$
In that case, $(1+\frac1nf(n))^n\to1$
17:04
@AkivaWeinberger for example
A consequence of that would be $(1+\frac1{n^{1+\varepsilon}})^n\to1$
yes, exactly
well, hold on, sorry, it's probably not easier (or more generic) to show the general case for when $f(n) = o(n)$
Robjohn's version, essentially $\lim(1+f)^g=\lim e^{fg}$, feels cleanest
18:04
@copper.hat: I thought you might be interested in the upvote I received yesterday ;-)
@robjohn i just can't escape the $-{ 1\over 12} $ :-)
I guess not. You can clothe it as $\zeta(-1)$, but it is still $-\frac1{12}$.
18:29
@copper.hat Is that emblazoned on your MSE loot?
$\zeta$ looks prettier though
:-) not quite :-) I like my SE mug, but the MSE t-shirt is very delicate and already has a small hole :-(
18:55
My first MSE mug got chipped in a fall, but my replacement is my mug of choice for tea.
I have to prepare a presentation of 90 min about modular representations and the cde triangle until monday and I dont have a clue of almost anything the book is talking about. Any handy survival tips?
@copper.hat: $-\frac1{12}$ could be called the Judas number…
The number was not lost on me :-)
T_01: try to get a clue of at least one thing the book is talking about? :)
During the study of the convergence of $\iint_{\{x \ge 0,y \ge 0\}} \frac{\arctan x^3}{x^4+y^4}dxdy$, my lecturer used polar coordinates and splitted the integral in the sum of two integrals: one in $B_1((0,0))\cap\{x \ge 0,y \ge 0\}$ and one in $\{x^2+y^2 \ge 1\} \cap \{x \ge 0,y \ge 0\}$.

He then said that the function $f(\theta)=\cos^4 \theta+ \sin^4 \theta$ has a positive minimum $k>0$ attained at some $\phi \in [0,\pi/2]$ for the extreme value theorem, hence we can conclude that the two integrals are convergent.
He claim the convergence because the integral in $\{x^2+y^2\ge1\}$ is less than $\int_1^{\infty}\pi/(2r^3)dr \cdot \int_0^{\pi/2}\frac{1}{\cos^4 \theta+\sin^4 \theta}d\theta$ and the integral in $B_1((0,0))\cap\{x \ge 0,y \ge 0\}$ is less than $\int_0^1 dr \cdot \int_0^{\pi/2}\frac{\cos^3 \theta}{\cos^4 \theta+\sin^4 \theta}$.
19:05
@robjohn Oh, I like that. Integration by parts is one of my favorite tools. It is (in my opinion) the best way to obtain Taylor's Theorem, and my graduate PDEs courses could easily have been retitled "IBP: The Musical".
My question is: do we need to bound $\frac{1}{\cos^4 \theta+\sin^4 \theta}$ from below with $\frac{1}{k}$ because we must be sure that the integrals in $d\theta$ are finite by excluding the possibility? If yes, isn't it enough to notice that the function $\cos^4 \theta+\sin^4 \theta$ is never $0$ because cosine and sin never vanished simultaneously?

I suspect this latter reasoning isn't enough because, even if they both don't vanish, I can't exclude the possibility that the denominator becomes small and so that the function is unbounded. Is this latter reason the reason why my lecturer int
T_01: more seriously it's always helpful to focus on key definitions and examples than general results. if the book is mostly general results and you have the time it might help to find resources for a different audience. google found me a senior thesis on this topic that might be more readable than a book. some lecture notes or slides somewhere might be even better.
more like integration by smarts
Excluding the possibility that the denominator can become small arbitrarily*. I meant this in my last message.
Yeah I read that senior thesis by arun debray (you mean that?)
It made the base definitions more clear to me, however, I am not able to understand the examples. Also, the examples are on character level and I dont know how to "pull that back" to the module level of things
If I understand you correctly: you don't know the subject well?
19:10
@robjohn I'm too lazy to read through all of the answers---do any of them mention the identity theorem (i.e. a complex analytic function defined on a set with a limit point has a unique analytic extension)? As far as I can tell, that is, perhaps, a relevant thing to say.
T_01: what is the audience?
No. I even head to read up what valuation rings where. Serre just threw everything at me, like every second word is something I did not know of

The audience is only my professor and a few students. My only problem is that I will fail that class :D
uhh
the beauty of mathematics is that you can't fake it
it's not like poetry, where you can gaslight your audience into intellectual submission. in math, theyll chew you out in no time. especially if your prof is the expert on the subject matter
@JoeShmo That's not true. See, for example, the number $-1/12$.
👍
19:15
T_01: any hope of walking in and "now we're discussing modular representations of the ABC triangle," drawing an equilateral triangle on the board, and saying that the rotation gives rise to a "representation" of the integers "modulo" 3?
I still don't understand what that whole business with -1/12 is. ramanujan something? valuation rings something or another?
fighting words.
then you could say that you misunderstood the assignment, but maybe if you really commit to it, it will be too awkward for anyone to say anything
oh i forgot to mention, label the points on the triangle A, B, and C
That is a very funny idea
My professor is a luminary on this subject
this is the making of a charlatan
have you had covid yet?
19:16
at least twice
I was patient 0
guess where I was in December of 2019?
oh i'm looking for outs for T_01
joe: buying very wet groceries?
well guess anyway
even better
joe: in the lab where they developed it?
eating bats
oh wow, this is a whole new theory
19:17
Yes I had..


Leslie, maybe you can explain how I can "write down" the whole grothendieck group of finitely generated $Q_3[S_3]$ module? That would be a nice out
@JoeShmo There was a Numberphile video a few years ago which essentially claimed that $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} n = -\frac{1}{12}$. This "result" was demonstrated by manipulating divergent series in a way that doesn't really make sense. But the video got spread widely around, so the number $-1/12$ comes up a lot in contexts where folk don't really grok what is going on.
no, I wasnt eating bats
but I was in a little (Chinese military lab, as it turns out) town by the name of Wuhan
joe: that was my first guess. at the wet market
and when I came back I was sick like I've never been sick before in my life
yes your first guess was on the money
and I go to the doc and I'm like doc, there's this funny virus rumor from wuhan
everyone's talking covid
I think thats what I had (it was 2-3 months down the line, in retrospect I had long covid)
and you know what the genius replied to me?
he said "if you haven't left the airport, the CDC says that you didn't contract it"
my brother, who contracted the mysterious virus from me, lost his senses of taste and smell, before it was cool
but the "CDC says that it wasn't covid" so it's all good. We're good.
@XanderHenderson yes I remember that video.
19:41
@XanderHenderson Not that I see there.
20:18
a talk about the CDC triangle ???
👽
20:36
I just watched a lecture where a professor proved that buying the Euro with the Dollar and buying the Dollar with the Euro can both have a positive expected value given the same probabilistic model...
Is this somehow identical to the necktie paradox, or is something else going on?
20:47
maybe you can post a link?
the lighting in that room is giving off direct-to-video scifi vibes. did he just unlock the code of the DNA of the alien that is about to attack him?
21:19
@robjohn I feel like it is a bit scattered, but I've added this to the previous discussion.
@AkivaWeinberger it's clear that $1 \le \left(1 + \frac{f(n)} n \right)^n \to 1$. For $f(n) < \epsilon$, $ \left(1 + \frac{f(n)} n \right)^n \le \left(1 + \frac \epsilon n \right)^n \le e^\epsilon$, for all $\epsilon > 0$.
21:46
Is there a way to show that these integrals are equal?
$$ \int_0^1 e^{A(x)}~dx $$
$$ \frac{1}{2}\int_{-\infty}^\infty e^{B(x)}~dx $$
no, because you haven't told us what $A, B$ are
$A(x)=\frac{1}{\log(x)}$

$B(x)=-\sqrt{4+x^2}$
particularly for the second integrand, let $f(x)=e^{B(x)}.$ Then $\log(f(x))=H$
where $H$ is a hyperbola
$f(x)$ is an unnormalized hyperbolic distribution
it's named a hyperbolic distribution because its logarithm is a hyperbola
ok lets start chopping things up
observe that the second integral is just $\int_0 ^\infty e^{B(x)}$
22:01
I'm with you so far
hold on, there's gotta be a change of vars here. I'll get back to you. need a piece of paper
okay - ping me
nah the right way to do this is complex analysis
wait for somebody who knows this to address it
22:18
@JoeShmo oh?
no? maybe not
@TedShifrin Hi, a question if I may: I have done Exercise 8.4-18 in the book Multivariable Mathematics but in the back of the book the solutions to (a) and (c) are missing (solutions to cases (b) and (d) are present and I get the same answer). For (a) and (c) are the following solutions correct?
8.4-18(a): $4\pi$
8.4-18(c): $4\pi h\left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{a^2+h^2}}+\frac{1}{5}((a+h)^{5/2}-h^5\right)$. Thanks
edit: 8.4-18(c): $4\pi h\left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{a^2+h^2}}+\frac{1}{5}((a^2+h^2)^{5/2}-h^5\right)$
Ted do you have a change of vars then? or another solution?
22:33
@lorenzo Definitely not ;)
@JoeShmo I have not done it, but I don’t see why complex is indicated …
hmm.. wolfram is giving me bessel and residues
22:50
@TedShifrin this is my reasoning for 8.4-18(a), and I think it makes sense: 8.4-18(a): We parametrize by $\mathbf{g}:(0,\pi)\times (0,2\pi)\to\mathbb{R}^3,\ \mathbf{g}\begin{pmatrix}\phi\\ \theta\end{pmatrix}=\begin{bmatrix}a\sin\phi\cos\theta\\ a\sin\phi\sin\theta\\ a\cos\phi\end{bmatrix}$
$\int_{S}\eta=\int_{S}\left(\frac{1}{(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{3/2}}\left(x\ dy\wedge dz+y\ dz\wedge dx+z\ dx\wedge dy\right)\right)=\int_{(0,\phi)\times (0,2\pi)}\left(\frac{1}{a^3}\left(a^3\sin^3\phi\cos^2\theta+a^3\sin^3\phi\sin^2\theta+a^3\cos^2\phi\sin\phi\right)\right)d\phi\wedge d\theta=\int_{(0,\phi)\times
A) is fine. C) is not.
I don’t see any plausible explanation for 5/2 powers ….
@JoeShmo I tried $$I:=\int_0^1\exp\frac{1}{\ln x}dx=\int_0^\infty\frac{1}{y^2}\exp -(y+y^{-1})dy=\frac12\int_0^\infty(1+1/y^2)\exp -(y+y^{-1})dy$$
using the substitution y=-1/lnx and then averaging with 1/y
which under y=exp(-t) gives $\int_{-\infty}^\infty\exp[-2\cosh t]\cosh tdt$
which is a well known rep of the Bessel function
but I don't see how to show equality to the other integral from here
@TedShifrin ah, there was a mistake in a change of variables I did while computing the integral for the two "lids" of the cylinder, right at the end of the calculation. Now I get $4\pi$ also for this one
Right!
Thank you very much!
23:05
When you get to Stokes’s Theorem next section, you’ll know a better way.
Basic question, I know how to generator symplectic isotopies: take a function $f : M \to \Bbb R$ on the symplectic manifold $(M, \omega)$, then look at the symplectic gradient $H_f$. This gives tons and tons of symplectic vector fields, and I can flow along that to do whatever I want
What about contact isotopies? I expect a similar answer
Say $(M, \alpha)$ is a contact manifold. If $f : M \to \Bbb R$ is a function, I can restrict $df$ to the contact distribution $\xi = \ker \alpha$, and then take $(d\alpha)^{-1}(df|\xi)$, because $d\alpha$ is a symplectic form on the fibers of $\xi$, and thus defines a pointwise isomorphism which I call $d\alpha : \xi \to \xi^*$ by abuse of notation
This is a vector field $X \in \xi$. So flowing along this will definitely preserve the contact distribution.
I guess I can take a linear combo with a Reeb vector field, and that gives me all the directions of freedom needed?
hey guys
before posting my question on main, I reckoned I might ask here first. so I have a question about the proof that for any group $G$ there exists a space whose fundamental group is $G$
Let $G$ be a group. Write $G$ as the quotient of a free group $F$ with generators $\{g_i\}_{i\in I}$ by a normal subgroup $N$ with generators $\{r_j\}_{j\in J}$. Consider the bouquet of circles
$$
Y'=\bigvee_{i\in I} S^1.
$$
It is known that the fundamental group $\pi_1(Y')=\star_{i\in I}\mathbb Z\cong F$, where $\star$ denotes the free product. For every relation $r_j$, there is therfore a corresponding element in $\pi_1(Y')$, so we can choose basepoint preservings maps
$$
\widehat{r_j}\colon S^1\to Y'.
23:21
hm. is this one of those things that is technically 'in hatcher' but as an exercise?
I looked in Hatcher, but I couldn't find it
(Reeb preserves the form as $i_R d\alpha = 0$ and $\alpha(R) = 1$ implies $\mathcal{L}_R \alpha = di_R\alpha + i_R d\alpha = 0$)
though I have to admit I didn't look thoroughly
but it would be nice if it's there
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Q: Every Group is a Fundamental Group

AnirbanI am studying elementary Algebraic Topology recently. I have seen that a topological space is identified with a group. We are telling the group as Fundamental Group. So every topological space $X$ and for any $x \epsilon X$ there is a fundamental group $\pi_1 (X,x)$. I have a question about the c...

this post also claims that it follows from Van Kampen
You can use van Kampen on a neighborhood of the 1-skeleton and the union of the 2-cells
ahh
let's see if that makes sense for me
rightrightright
or actually
I don't see it though
all that says to me is that we can apply Van Kampen, but not why
23:29
in the sense?
the kernel of the Van Kampen morphism is precisely
the normal subgroup containing the relations
Let's do one cell at a time.
alright
Suppose you have some bouquet $B$ of circles, and you attach a single cell by some map $f : \partial D^2 \to B$ from the boundary of the cell $D^2$
The neighborhood of the 1-skeleton and the interior of the $2$-cell intersects in a little annular nbhd of $\partial D^2$ in $D^2$.
This intersection piece has fundamental group $\Bbb Z$, because it's an annulus. So I have $\Bbb Z \to \pi_1(\mathrm{int} D^2)$ and $\Bbb Z \to \pi_1(B)$
Two maps from the intersection piece to the two open sets I covered the thing by
The first map is clearly 0, $\pi_1(\mathrm{int} D^2) = 0$
Shouldn't the intersection be the interior of the 2-cell?
I'm assuming the neighbourhood of the 1-skeleton is a neighbourhood of it along with $D^2$
23:33
Take the example where a single 2-cell $D^2$ is attached to a single circle $S^1$ by identity $\partial D^2 \to S^1$
@ShaVuklia No, just a neighborhood of the 1-skeleton inside the 2D complex
a small $\epsilon$-nbhd, with respect to some metric
alright
(imma read what you wrote afterwards)
Yeah. In fact, you can even take the $U$ to be (cell complex) \ (center of all the 2-cell disks) and $V$ to be (interior of a 2-cell)
Then $U \cap V$ is an annulus
@BalarkaSen right
@BalarkaSen Once this is clear, just verify that the second map $\Bbb Z \to \pi_1(B)$ is equivalent to the map $f_* : \pi_1(\partial D^2) \to \pi_1(B)$, $f$ being the attaching map
right, I see indeed that that's what's left to verify
23:37
Cool
You have to do one cell at a time unlike what I suggested earlier because the intersection needs to be path-connected in van Kampen
oh, but what if I have infinitely many cells?
transfinite van kampen moment
nah, there's a fix
you can choose a basepoint in the 1-skeleton, which is connected, and throw paths from that basepoint to every cell
then take a union of the cells along with a neighborhood of these paths. im pretty sure this is in hatcher, actually
see the end of chapter 1 (but not 1A 1B etc)
hm right, I'll have a look
thanks in any case! I'm off to bed and will resume this tomorrow
23:43
@ShaVuklia pi.math.cornell.edu/~hatcher/AT/ATch1.pdf proposition 1.26, corollary 1.28
cheers!
@BalarkaSen oh, great, thanks!
Night @Sha
This proposition carries everything indeed:D
@TedShifrin thx! "night" to you too xD
Perfect.
@TedShifrin I used your favorite formula above
@BalarkaSen unbeknownst to me …. Did you send royalties in @lesliecoin?
23:57
©artan's magic formula
Nothing is free these days...
Oh, that one. TFF is different.
Oh, is that $(Av) \cdot w = v \cdot (A^\mathsf{T} w)$?

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