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they use \Pi and not \prod in their texing of that. i want to claw my eyes out.
this is the worst day of my life.
@leslietownes You have lead a very happy life, then.
Although, now that you have pointed it out, it really, really annoys me. Particularly since they had to go through the extra step of using \limits to get it to typeset the indices correctly. :(
and the entire paper is about a product space. it's not like some one-off thing. its gonna come up, a lot.
aghghghghg.
They probably defined a macro.
To do a thing less well than an already existing command can do.
They probably called the macro \Prod.
\renewcommand{prod}
haha
(They wanted to call it \prod, but that conflicted with an existing command.)
00:09
we've all been guilty of defining unorthodox macros, although i usually defined them as a placeholder. "i don't know how to do this right, and i don't want to do it wrong a million times in some un-fixable way, so"
@leslietownes I shan’t look.
good idea. if you've seen raiders of the lost ark, what happened at the end of that to that guy is what happened to me when i looked at \Pi in that paper.
You are typing very well for a man with a melted head.
i got better
WITCH! BURN HER!
00:20
Let $G$ be a finite simple group with $p\mid |G|$. Suppose the number of Sylow $p$ subgroup of $G$ is 7. The conjugation action $G$ on the set of Sylow $p$ subgroup induces an injective homomorphism $G\to S_7$. My TA deducted a point because the induced homomorphism could be trivial.
TAs often deduct points. I'm not sure what an appeal to chat on Math SE is going to do for you...
I'm just saying such thing happened.
Like a story tale
should have deducted ten points because the induced homomorphism might not have even been a homomorphism
or a map at all
I should've verify the existence of finite simple group whose number of Sylow p subgroup is 7 for each prime p.
@onepotatotwopotato Before you do that, I suggest that you verify the existence of Sylow.
Your entire argument is moot if there is no Sylow.
00:31
i'm not sure there are any groups
@leslietownes The empty set is a group. Vacuously so, but...
one for which there are no primes dividing |G|!
see? another whole hole
Ah, well, I'm with you on that.
imagine if goedel had this grader
what he might have found
Ugh... I should go make dinner. Assuming that I can even prove that food exists.
01:12
According to his Twitter, my brother has apparently gone out to watch RRR a third time
He has achieved RRRRRRRRR
(or, at least, he will in three hours or so)
01:30
what is $R^3$?
huh, it is 3 dimensional space.
@Koro woops. The statement of the lemma should have been: $f \nearrow \implies \int_{-\infty}^x f \nearrow$. I had it backwards.. I use this lemma correctly in the argument that follows..
02:06
Lol
I've watched RRR
@XanderHenderson no?
what's the identity then?
 
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03:32
Is there an easy way to understand why the corner point method works for LPP?
03:49
depends on what lpp means
Linear programming problems
I am Sorry :(
04:23
i have a time series
how can i make more precise the idea "probability that this time series will keep behaving like it is behaving"
Suppose $C \subset \mathbb{R}^n$ is a compact convex set and $E$ the set of extreme points. Then $\max_{x \in C} b^T x = \sup_{x \in E} b^T x$.
Draw a little picture to convince yourself.
04:37
@copper.hat Done
I convinced myself
Now what
Watch the LPP movie
05:07
Watch the excitement as a rogue algorithm leaves the safety of the extremes and heads for the interior.
05:36
copper: did you watch KGF movie(s)?
05:51
Second fundamental theorem of Calculus: Suppose that $F$ is differentiable on [a,b] and there exists a $g$ such that $F'=g$ on [a,b]. If $g$ is Riemann integrable on [a,b], then $\int_a^b g =F(b)-F(a)$.
Is differentiability of F on the whole [a,b] necessary?
I think that differentiability of F on (a,b) is sufficient. g is integrable so given any $\epsilon>0$ there is a P ={a=x_0<x_1<x_2<...<x_n=b} such that $U(P,g)-L(P,g)<\epsilon$.
$F(x_i)-F(x_{i-1})= g(z_i)(x_i-x_{i-1})$ by MVT. Adding both sides to get: $F(b)-F(a)=\sum g(z_i)(x_i-x_{i-1})$. It follows that $|\sum g(z_i)(x_i-x_{i-1})-\int g|<\epsilon$
That is, $|F(b)-F(a)-\int g|<\epsilon$. It may be noted here that nowhere did I use the fact that F is differentiable at the end points.
06:08
@KarlKroningfeld Hello are you here? I would have a question regarding algebra and thought maybe you can help me: math.stackexchange.com/questions/4474042/…
07:06
@XanderHenderson i downloaded the tex from arxiv and apparently they typed C^n = \overset{n}{\underset{i=1}{\Pi}} I_i
Hi @shin!
et @Calvin !
@Koro yello
@Koro i think you're right, but then you cant really state F'=g on [a,b] if F' doesnt exist at a,b
07:22
What is the name of $\rtimes$ in category theory?
hey , im stuck in this problem mind sharing some hints
$y^{1/m}+y^{-1/m}=2x$ then prove that $(x^2-1)y_3+3xy_2+(1-m^2)y_1=0$ here m is arbitrary constant and $y_n$ is the nth order derivative of y with respect to x
08:14
@TedShifrin I bought your multivariable calculus book through my university library. I hope many students read that book (including me).
08:32
@rtcpcx Is anything mentioned about m being greater than or less than 1?
@CalvinKhor what if I state that F'=g on (a,b) and that g is Riemann integrable on [a,b].
($g(a), g(b)$ can be any real number.)
hmm, I think this works because we require $g(z_i)$ for when $z_i$ are in $(x_{i-1},x_i)$.
yes, should be fine
thanks a lot for confirming. :-)
 
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@Koro yw m8
 
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11:54
Does anyone here know how to pick a smooth timelike vector field, given the following metric $g=-\cos(2\varphi)(dt)^{2}+2\sin(2\varphi)dtdx+\cos(2\varphi)(dx)^{2}$ ?
12:17
Do bilinear functions need to be either symmetrical or Alternating?
Can we dissamble bilinear functions into Symmetrical and alternating components?
Wikipedia states the a decomposition is possible as long as Char $\neq$ 2
@Koro Psh. Where we're going, we don't need identities!
@CalvinKhor OH GAWD WHY!?
WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?
$$ \overset{1}{\underset{4}{-}}+\overset{3}{\underset{4}{-}}=1 $$
edit description: fixed mathjax typesetting :) x
12:42
@AkivaWeinberger Fun (but difficult depending how much you know about the Hilbert cube) question: does $[0,1]^\Bbb N$ support a topological group structure?
@CalvinKhor :(
13:31
@AkivaWeinberger Not in the least. But I believe it; the corner points gain way too many dimensions
@Koro hello!
14:21
@AlessandroCodenotti Uhhh… I feel like you wouldn't ask if it didn't
but I have no idea how to make that happen
14:41
@AkivaWeinberger the answer is actually negative, even though it is homogeneous
OK, that feels easier to swallow
@AkivaWeinberger Knots in $\Bbb R^3$ satisfying the differential equation $z' = y x'$ are surprisingly interesting.
Is that called Lagrangian? Or Legendrian? Or something like that
L[french]ian
Yeah, Legendrian
You've got little planes it contacts everywhere
and diagrammatically it looks like only having one sort of crossing near the back and another near the front, I think? I forget
There's some clean way to think of knot diagrams of Legendrian knots but I forget what it is
I don't think it's what I said
14:52
It's usual knot diagrams but no vertical tangencies, only singular points are cuspidal, and overcrossings have less slope than undercrossing, at each crossing
OK, these things
Not sure how (or why) you'd study them, though
I imagine they have their own invariants
@BalarkaSen Where were you reading about this?
I was looking at Geiges.
"An introduction to contact topology"
@AkivaWeinberger the point is that every continous $f\colon [0,1]^\Bbb N\to[0,1]^\Bbb N$ has a fixed point, while topological groups are full of fixed point-free self homeomorphisms (the translation maps)
@AkivaWeinberger Even determining whether two Legendrian unknots are Legendrian isotopic are hard. That's some classical result
There's an invariant which would relate to counting cusps, as you can imagine
I think that's called the Thurston-Bennequin number?
Ok, the Thurston-Bennequin number for a knot diagram $D$ is $w(D) - 1/2 c(D)$ where $w(D)$ is the writhe of the knot, and $c(D)$ is the number of cusps
bruh
yeah its obvious that this is an invariant
an increase of one to the writhe corresponds to an increase of 2 to the cusps, because of the first legendrian reidemeister move
 
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16:22
How do you define differential operators on say $L^2(\mathbb{R}^d)$?
trying to understand the setting that Villani starts his book with, but he doesnt seem to mention back to the Schwartz space and just carries out operations on $\mathcal{H}$ (which is a weighted $L^2$ space).
Desmos shenanigans
Reminds me of toothpaste
oh yeah
how did you program this into desmos?
The circles don't actually go on forever
In retrospect, there probably was a way to do it using the mod function
(You can turn on/off the grid and axes in the settings menu in the top-right)
@JoeShmo Neat thing about that second image: it consists of a straight line (blue) and a curvy line (red). There's a path from the top of the image to the bottom that only crosses the blue line once, and there's a path from the top of the image to the bottom that only crosses the red line once, but there's no path from the top to the bottom that does both simultaneously
I wonder if the way I drew it is the simplest way to achieve that (with the restriction that one of the two lines must be straight)
wdym cross the red line once? youre walking along it, no?
I mean a path from the white on the top to the white on the bottom
16:35
ok, yeah looks right
so what?
remid me what that shows?
oh thats your "decomposition of the identity"
I dunno, just thought it was a cool property
mhm
on that second walk you probably want to go through the point of intersection of the blue and red
for no reason other than to minimize your crosses I suppose
yeah
but thats the bear minimum looks like
@JoeShmo "Decomposition of the identity"?
16:45
your puzzle
17:02
@JoeShmo polar bear or black?
👀
grizzly
🐻
gummy bear
17:24
Ever had a moment
when it seems so everyday one guy is targetting you with a single downvote
yeah all the time
helps me sleep to know that he gets a downvote too :-)
also, the SE algo is sophisticated enough to know serial downvoting
but not other types
what are the other types?
@JoeShmo damn this is such a great philosophical point
the act of downvoting is a double edged sword. The downvoter gets downvoted themself in a way
its not a philosophical point. when you downvote, you get a point taken away too
in a physical way
I'm not gonna teach you how to downvote intelligently :P
But I feel like
it is some sort of deeper meaning , you know a like metaphor in a story
It's a double edged vote in a way
There is like some sort of literary device being used I guess
um, I guess when youre old enough you get over over-philosophizing
its a trivial "game-theoretic construction"
17:29
it sort of felt like reading a bible verse when I read your remark on how they get a downvote too
(Parasite reference)
like you know eve eating the apple and giving it to adam or like god creating the world in seven days
you should only downvote if you believe that the quality of the question/answer is low
and to enforce that principle they make you pay for it
I just realized
A bowl, as they say, is most useful when it is empty.
17:30
the person who dv'd me must have dropped a lot of points as they did
so this could be a way to find that person
so that when and if the OP/person who replied removes his question/response, you (and he) get all your points back
upvoting is free, however :-)
dang
I feel like I am enlightened after that remark you made
that's kind of you to say
but I'm really not sure what I said that was enlightening
> A shipowner was about to send to sea an emigrant-ship. He knew that she was old, and not overwell built at the first; that she had seen many seas and climes, and often had needed repairs. Doubts had been suggested to him that possibly she was not seaworthy.
> These doubts preyed upon his mind, and made him unhappy; he thought that perhaps he ought to have her thoroughly overhauled and refitted, even though this should put him at great expense. Before the ship sailed, however,
> he succeeded in overcoming these melancholy reflections. He said to himself that she had gone safely through so many voyages and weathered so many storms that it was idle to suppose she would not come safely home from this trip also. He would put his trust in Providence,
when you fraamed the negative reputation they get in the form of a downvote
17:34
> which could hardly fail to protect all these unhappy families that were leaving their fatherland to seek for better times elsewhere. He would dismiss from his mind all ungenerous suspicions about the honesty of builders and contractors.
it's downvoting the downvoter
> In such ways he acquired a sincere and comfortable conviction that his vessel was thoroughly safe and seaworthy; he watched her departure with a light heart,
oh yeah..
> and benevolent wishes for the success of the exiles in their strange new home that was to be; and he got his insurance-money when she went down in mid-ocean and told no tales.
> What shall we say of him? Surely this, that he was verily guilty of the death of those men. It is admitted that he did sincerely believe in the soundness of his ship; but the sincerity of his conviction can in no wise help him,
> because he had no right to believe on such evidence as was before him. He had acquired his belief not by honestly earning it in patient investigation, but by stifling his doubts. And although in the end he may have felt so sure about it that he could not think otherwise,
> yet inasmuch as he had knowingly and willingly worked himself into that frame of mind, he must be held responsible for it.
I just thought the philosophically-minded here would enjoy that story (@Eth)
sometimes I don't get the accepted answer although my answer is clearly the correct one
sometimes I do get the accepted answer, although someone else's answer is clearly the correct one, but I answered first
17:37
"Clearly"?
🤷‍♂️
clearly
in one word: don't take it too personally. karma's a beach 🏖
(Ted are you going to point out that that's 5 words?)
Life's a beach, and then you dry.
2
That is to say,
Life's a bitch, and then you die.
Hi!
> Let
$$
f(x)=\left\{\begin{array}{cl}
\frac{a(1-x \sin x)+b \cos x+5}{x^{2}}, & x<0 \\
3, & x=0 \\
\left\{1+\left(\frac{P(x)}{x^{2}}\right)\right\}^{1 / x}, & x>0
\end{array}\right.
$$
where $P(x)$ is a cubic function and $f$ is continuous at $x=0$.
The value of $P''(0)$ is
Is this solvable?
17:44
jk
Can anyone help me with that statement of Villani?
/whats going on there
forgive my naivety/obliviousness, but do people really care about up/downvotes so much?
because the expression is awful
shove it into wolfram, see what she gives you
Can I assume that $\left\{1+\left(\frac{P(x)}{x^{2}}\right)\right\}^{1 / x}$ is of the form $1^{\infty}$ ?
17:46
no
its most likely the exponential
yeah thats exactly what it is as $x \rightarrow 0$
@user580918 Not really on math stackexchange. But on Chemistry Stackexchange one needs to
remember that $P(x) \sim x^3$
@JoeShmo Hmm?
do you know that $\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} (1 + \frac 1 x)^x = e$?
@DevanshBhardwaj hmm why is that?
17:50
weirdly numerator should approach ln (3)
and $\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} (1 + x)^{\frac 1 x} = \lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} (1 + \frac 1 x)^x = e$
@JoeShmo Yes
@user580918 Idk they downvote weirdly
OK, @Wolgwang does that answer your question of why that expression is not of the form $1^\infty$?
17:55
it might still be like $e^\text{leading coefficient of P}$ though
not necessarily $e^1 = e$
oh so the condition there gives you the leading coefficient of $P$
you also cut the problem off. what is $P''(0)$?
@JoeShmo What condition?
what what?
what to what part?
$f(0) = 3$
@Monty What do you want to understand about the setup?
@BalarkaSen hey,
basically defining a differential operator on $L^2$ or a weighted $L^2$
for instance in proposition 3 of 'hypocoercivity' Villanis memoir
he talks about the differential operator being anisymmetric $B^*=-B$
and in the proof goes on to apply $B$ to any element of a weighted $L^2$ space.
But obviously some of the elements of $L^2$ are not differentiable
This is a standard thing to do for unbounded operators. For example, taking derivative is not a bounded operator $L^2(\Bbb R) \to L^2(\Bbb R)$. Or multiplication by $x$. On the dense Banach space of compactly supported smooth functions $C^\infty_c(\Bbb R) \subset L^2(\Bbb R)$, it's all good.
18:10
so I guess he is implicitly using some density argument with the schwartz space which he mentions right at the start of the memoir but only has a sentence on it. So Im not really following the whole argument
I agree it is unbounded operator. May I ask, why is the unboundedness 'the big deal'
for me it is just the fact that not all elements of $L^2$ are differentiable...
The unboundedness is not just about the operator being densely-defined, but the operator not being continuous.
So it's a bit of a nuisance to figure out if everything in functional analysis goes through
For example, what is spectral theorem for unbounded normal operators?
It's quite a bit more convoluted than the usual spectral theorem.
right
So the way around it is to work on a dense subspace
@BalarkaSen I didn't mean Banach space here. Villani chooses a dense topological vector space, but usually it's also Frechet.
so when he writes $Bf$ for instance where $B$ is the differential operator and $f$ is some element of $L^2$, what does he really mean?
$\lim B f_n$ where $f_n\to f$?
That does not exist.
The point is once you choose a dense TVS $V \subset H$, you have the string of containment $V \subset H \cong H^* \subset V^*$.
18:16
here $\mathcal{H}$ is weighted $L^2$
So, $B : H \to H$ can be extended to $B : V \to V^*$.
This is a continuous operator
So the limit $\lim Bf_n$ that you speak of, exists not in $H$ but in the bigger TVS $V^*$
okok,
we are getting somewhere
so my definition $\lim Bf_n$ doesnt work because $B$ is unbounded operator
so you extend $B$
Yes. Anyway, this is standard analysis. You can read up about this in Hall's "Quantum Mechanics for Mathematicians"
to $V\to V^*$ and then use $\lim Bf_n$ as your definition
Doesn't $C_c^\infty(\Bbb R)$ have a completely different norm to $L^2(\Bbb R)$
or does it not matter for what you're trying to do
18:20
also @BalarkaSen he talks about the schwartz space, not $C^\infty_c$
@AkivaWeinberger Yes, but if you complete it with respect to $L^2$ norm you get $L^2(\Bbb R)$.
@Monty Right - the reason is Fourier analysis works better in the Schwartz space compared to $C^\infty_c$. You don't want functions to completely die off at infinity, but have a decay.
Here's a question
@BalarkaSen ohh
cool
Is $\exp$ surjective as a map $\Bbb R[[x]]\to\Bbb R[[x]]_{\ne0}$
The keywords here are "distribution theory" and "rigged Hilbert space"
18:21
Wait, of course not, $-1$
What's the image of $\exp$ on $\Bbb R[[x]]$
Is it $\Bbb R_{>0}+x\Bbb R[[x]]$
(eg constant term is positive)
I'm gonna say "yes"
@AkivaWeinberger Also note $C^\infty_c(\Bbb R)$ doesn't even have a norm wrt which it is complete.
Oh, wait, really?
Eh, I guess I don't know how to prove that. Throw in "natural"
It's not a Banach space?
No.
In two different ways
18:25
Two ways?
Yes, it's not a Banach space in two different ways
I meant "how?"
First of all, $C^\infty([0, 1])$ is not a Banach space
It has a family of seminorms, the $C^k$-norms.
What's the "semi" mean
$\|v\| = 0$ does not mean $v = 0$
18:28
I think you can guess my next question
How are those only seminorms? What $v\ne0$ satisfies $\|v\|_k=0$?
@BalarkaSen so just to confirm, Villani assumes that the operator $B$ 'sends $V$ continuously into $V$' i.e. $B:V\to V$ is continuous, not $B:V\to V^*$
I think the issue there is it's not complete wrt $\|\cdot\|_k$, no?
@AkivaWeinberger They are norms, so they are seminorms :P
@AkivaWeinberger Of course. The topology is defined by all the norms at once.
If you complete wrt any $C^k$-norm you get back $C^k([0, 1])$
@BalarkaSen Yo lol
@BalarkaSen Right, sure
@Monty Ok, that's an assumption on the operator then. I haven't read Villani.
In general, you only map into $V^*$
18:36
I guess I was thinking some sort of $\|\cdot\|_\infty:=\sum\big(\frac1{2^i}\|\cdot\|_i\big)$
Yeah but that's only a metric because you have to put $\min\{1, \|\cdot\|\}$
Destroys linearity
@BalarkaSen why is that in general?
Ah, triangle inequality breaks?
Surprised it doesn't inherit it from its pieces
@Monty Why would a general unbounded operator have an invariant dense TVS $V$?
@AkivaWeinberger No, linearity of the norm breaks, as I said
@BalarkaSen I dont know why it would
18:38
So that's why in general you only map to $V^*$, by the recipe I described above.
ok, so its just the assumption he puts
thats my guess
Hrm? $\|cf\|_\infty=\sum\big(\frac c{2^i}\|f\|_i\big)=c\|f\|_\infty$
ill have a think about it
@BalarkaSen thank you very much,
@AkivaWeinberger dude I mean you have to put $\min\{1, \|\cdot\|_i\}$ in the summand otherwise it's not even well-defined
you'd sum to $\infty$
18:40
cheers and cheerio, thanks again
Cheers, @Monty.
I thought the $1/2^i$ fixed that but I guess $\|f\|_i$ can blow up really fast with $i$
I suppose the subspace $C^\infty_{slow}$ of things where $\|f\|_i$'s growth is, say, subexponential, would probably be a Banach space then
18:42
that's interesting, sounds right. i have no idea what this space is.
Ok the other way $C^\infty_c(\Bbb R)$ fails to be a Banach space doesn't exist. it exists for $C^\infty(\Bbb R)$ -- which is that $C^0(\Bbb R)$ is already not Banach
it's again defined by a family of seminorms (actually strictly semi this time), $\|f\|_n = \|f\|_{C^0[-n, n]}$.
Speaking of, whatever happened to @Semiclassical?
(I don't think that ping worked)
good question
he was in MSE this week
19:11
@AkivaWeinberger Like Schwartz space or something?
I don't know what that is but I trust you
what they consider when studying Fourier transforms en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwartz_space
that's what I think of when I hear about smooth functions with slow growth
i so love the 3d rainbow colored plot of a gaussian in that wikipedia page
i now understand schwartz space, thkxxx
that might replace the random rainbow plot of, like, the gamma function, that is my usual favorite gratuitous image
19:40
for which class of metrics do we have balls with diameters at most twice their radius?
19:59
uh, all of 'em? triangle inequality?
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