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12:47 AM
@porridgemathematics got it! Thanks
 
 
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2:14 AM
@robjohn any domain
 
 
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7:44 AM
@CalvinKhor: I think that my answer here math.stackexchange.com/questions/4450077/… is wrong.
In the first para, the reason provided for why $G_x\cap (A\cup B)^c\ne \emptyset$ seems wrong.
There is no reason to believe why $x\in G_x\cap A^c$.
I'm trying to modify that argument now.
 
8:04 AM
ill have a look
 
I have fixed the argument now.
 
man i used to be so good at reasoning with topologies
 
I don't know why such things happen to me (to only me?).
 
so basically
 
When I write something and review it, I often don't find an error in it immediately. But after submission of the writing, I find errors.
 
8:18 AM
yes always lol. I spend >10 minutes reading my answers before submission and always 5 minutes after submitting i have to edit
 
probably a silly question, but.. say a power series has interval of convergence $(-a,a)$ (i.e. it converges in $(-a,a)$ and nowhere outside this set). Does this necessarily mean the power series does not convergence uniformly on $(-a,a)$?
 
@CalvinKhor :( I don't know why this happens. It's very dangerous for me.
dangerous in case I do it in an exam!
The possible reason is: I think some step to be trivial (because it seems to have deduced from 'intuition') so I skip that step and move on to next.
After submission, when I look at that trivial step, I look at it more rigorously and then I find a gap in that... I think that's why.
no step should be thought of as trivial at first, I think.
 
yes, when marking, its such a big help when the student tells me where the argument fails by saying "its trivial to see that..."
@Koro i feel like a dinosaur stuck in tarmac i'm still reading what you typed over and over lol
 
8:38 AM
@CalvinKhor Do you mean here in chat?
 
no i mean your answer
 
(●'◡'●)
 
@Koro this is the structure, yes? Suppose not. Then $G_x\subset A\cup B$. Next, you show $G_x$ intersects $B$. Hence $x\in \overline B$.
i dont see why you introduced $V_x$
 
yes.
@CalvinKhor very neat :-)
I shouldn't have introduced $V_x$.
 
OK. then i'm not going crazy
:D
 
8:45 AM
But it's not wrong to introduce $V_x$.
 
right, you can
 
it's not required but I didn't think of it at that time :)
 
[[regarding my question above (I can't seem to reply to my own message)- never mind, I found the answer. Indeed it can't converge uniformly in $(-a,a)$.]]
 
@Snaw sorry i was stuck on reading something else
 
@Snaw it will for sure on [-p,p] properly contained in (-a,a).
 
8:47 AM
@CalvinKhor it's okay, thanks :) It was a silly question like I suspected.
 
@Snaw I think you can get one of the endpoints though
 
I think I have a proof that it can't converge uniformly in $(-a,a-\epsilon)$ for any $\epsilon>0$
 
@CalvinKhor thanks a lot :-)
 
@Koro np :) :)
@Snaw hmm. well i didnt try to prove it, I just remember that the power series may converge at one of the endpoint (just the one point)
i think its called Abel's theorem
want to share your proof?
 
@Snaw: Do you agree about ufc on [-p,p] properly contained in (-a,a)?
 
8:51 AM
@CalvinKhor right but I meant to ask about when the convergence is strictly in $(-a,a)$ i.e. there is no convergence in the endpoints. Abel says if there is convergence in the endpoints, say in $-a$, then there will be uniform convergence in $[-a, b]$ for any $b<a$
 
ohh right i didnt see that.
 
@Koro yes of course
 
uniform convergence on an open set....is a weird thing
 
@CalvinKhor assume by contradiction there is uniform convergence in say $(0,a)$. so by Cauchy's criterion for uniform convergence there's some $N$ such that for all $n>N$ and $m\in\mathbb{N}$ the absolute value of $\sum_{k=n}^m a_k x^k$ is less than any given $\epsilon$. Let $x\to a^-$ (this is a finite sum) so that the absolute value of $\sum_{k=n}^m a_k a^k$ is $\leq\epsilon$ so that $\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} a_k a^k$ converges contradicting the assumption that there is no convergence in the endpoint
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I probably shouldn't use this bad notation $a_k a^k$ :)
 
wlog the limit is 0? why?
 
9:02 AM
no, why $0$? the sum is from $k=n$ to $m$, not from $1$ to $\infty$
 
ohh
ok understand
 
I should have been more explicit, the expression $|\sum_{k=n}^m a_k a^k|$ is also less than any given $\epsilon>0$ for any $n>N$ and $m$.
 
yeah no im just dense
 
I actually found this argument (in a slightly different form) in my lecture notes that discuss Abel's theorem. I think it can be changed a little to work without Cauchy's criterion, I have to think about that
 
@CalvinKhor what?
I was thinking of open sets and intersection.
 
9:06 AM
nowhere dense? :)
 
im just meagre
 
you should probably have something to eat then
I'm gonna go think about how I can get rid of Cauchy's criterion for uniform convergence in this proof. My students didn't learn the basic Cauchy's criterion for convergence of sequences and series in the preceding course and so I'm trying to avoid anything that resembles it everywhere I can. I probably won't show them this result about uniform convergence anyway, but just in case someone asks about it.
 
9:25 AM
that's a very odd omission
oh i suppose you mean specifically for uniform convergence
they must have seen it for real numbers, and they might not survive the leap to general banach spaces
 
it is indeed an odd omission. I mean they haven't even discussed Cauchy sequences of real numbers. They might have mentioned it, but they glossed over the concept and haven't for instance seen a proof that over the reals a sequence is convergent if and only if it is Cauchy.
these are engineering students, I don't think they will learn about banach spaces
hmm, actually they might
 
So, I would like to know whether 3 dimensional T tetrominoes can tile 6x6xn regions. I know for a fact that 6x6x6 and 6x6x4 are both possible, because I've constructed an example for both, and I'm quite confident that I have an argument that proves impossibility for odd n. This just leaves 6x6x2, and so far I have not been able to construct a tiling, nor have I been able to construct a coloring scheme and measure to prove it impossible
 
 
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11:19 AM
when does (A' - B') == (A-B)' ? ' is a transpose, A, B are matrices. Do they need to fulfil any special properties?
 
12:05 PM
@WojciechKulma transposition just moves things around, but it does so in a consistent manner, and matrix subtraction is element wise, so as long as A and B are the same size, that should be true regardless?
 
it's the case indeed, thanks
 
 
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1:19 PM
Let $f:I\to \mathbb{R}$ and $I\subseteq \mathbb{R}$
If $\lim_{x\to a}f(x)=L$
Then is it possible to prove that:
There exists a function $g:\mathbb{R^+}\to\mathbb{R^+}$ such that,
$\forall \epsilon\in\mathbb{R^+} \forall x \in I ( 0 < |x-a| < g(\epsilon)\Rightarrow |f(x)-L|<\epsilon)$
 
1:36 PM
@Prithubiswasleftmse yes, the construction is as follows. Pick any $\epsilon>0$. By definition of the limit, there exists $\delta>0$ such that the condition you wrote is true with $g(\epsilon)$ replaced with $\delta$. Define $g(\epsilon):=\delta$; done
 
@CalvinKhor But don't we have to find a "unique" delta for every epsilon to make a function out of it?
Like we have to "pick" a delta out of all of the possible deltas...
 
@Prithubiswasleftmse yes, so you have to decide the rule by which you choose 'the' delta to define 'the' function $g(\epsilon)$.
 
@Koro I can't really think of any easy way to "pick" =(
 
Here is one way that may work: For every e>0, there exists a $d_e<1$ such that ''you know what". Define $D_e$={all possible $d_e$}. Then choose $\sup D_e/2$.
Does this work?
since sup is unique by definition, you get a unique d.
 
Hmm. So you are "picking" using completeness of R?
 
1:49 PM
yes.
 
and you are using the delta<1 condition of chop your delta range so that you can wack it with the completeness hammer?
 
true. if not for delta < something, I wouldn't be able to use completeness so easily.
I got revival badge.
 
@Prithubiswasleftmse absolutely not. Just choose any one
Someone is probably going to tell you what sort of choice axiom is required or whatever. I assume them all
 
@CalvinKhor Koro seems to just use completeness.
 
Honestly I have no idea if he has used choice
 
1:57 PM
@Prithu: You asked for a way to choose d_a uniquely.
 
@CalvinKhor Well, I do know I have to "choose" a delta, but I just have to find that method of "choosing" [whatever that is]
@Koro exactly!
 
No, you are not asking to prove the uniqueness of $f$. For existence what I said is enough
 
Prithu: Calvin is also right. Choose any one for each epsilon.
Every choice will give a function.
Rule of choosing is up to you.
 
@Koro Yea.
@CalvinKhor I think Koro used completeness instead.
 
@Prithubiswasleftmse yes, I used completeness.
 
2:03 PM
I don't know enough foundational maths to say if what Koro did is Kosher without choice. I know weird things happen with sets: is it possible to define the set of all possible d_e without choice?
 
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Q: Limit of integral $\int^{1/\sqrt{n}}_0 f(x) ne^{-nx} dx \to f(0)$ when $n \to \infty$

8600038980YFor a continuous function $f : [0,1] \to \mathbb{R}$, I want to show that $$\lim_{n \to \infty} \int^{1/\sqrt{n}}_0 f(x)ne^{-nx} dx = f(0)$$ I'd considered that $$ne^{-\sqrt{n}}\int^{1/\sqrt{n}}_0 f(x) dx \leq \int^{1/\sqrt{n}}_0 f(x)ne^{-nx} dx \leq n\int^{1/\sqrt{n}}_0 f(x)dx$$ but I am not sur...

@robjohn :-)
I tried to do it the way I have seen you do it in your answers -by simplifying the integral limits by substitution.
:)
 
@CalvinKhor Maybe Let E = {d : forall x in I ( 0<|x-a|<d => |f(x)-L| < e )} ?
 
@Prithubiswasleftmse I just don't know. I never learned this sort of stuff
 
@CalvinKhor Me neither =P
 
My point is this, (1) If you accept the standard axioms, there is absolutely no need to use completeness or anything extra: a function is something that eats an input and gives you a single output. (2) If you are worried about what axioms are needed, I am not the right person to talk to.
 
2:12 PM
Do you ever feel like taking square root of every number you see around?
 
@Koro No, because I don't feel complete =(
 
(1a) a function having a single output is not the same as there being a unique number delta that can ever be assigned to epsilon. This would be the uniqueness of the function, and in this particular case the function cannot be unique anyway
(1b) a function having a single output for each input should be made more precise in terms of ordered pairs but I guess you knew that
 
@CalvinKhor Oh I think I understand your objection: "existence of g" vs "existence of a unique g"
 
not really, my objection is you think I have not constructed a function
or that is what I percieve anyway
 
@CalvinKhor Well, I guess I thought that you haven't constructed a function g because you haven't stated the choosing method?
 
2:19 PM
Hello everyone. Can I ask something about probability theory? So in particular I have a question to an exercise which I started to solve but I can't finish it. Therefore I postet a question on the page and thought maybe there is someone who can help me.
 
I have no idea what gave you the idea that a choosing method is needed, nor do I even know what a "choosing method" is
 
I guess we need a logician to settle the debate.
 
@Wave from room description: Just ask; don't ask to ask. :)
@Prithubiswasleftmse well define "choosing method" then we can continue
or dont cuz i think we can leave it
 
@CalvinKhor should I sent the link to my question?
 
sure
 
2:23 PM
why is fluid mechanics also in many master's courses of mathematics?
and continuum mechanics. why?
 
https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/4451721/how-do-i-show-that-this-set-has-probability-1

I see that I used the wrong Borell-Cantelli lemma. But the question is where to use the assumtion that the expectation value of $X_1^2$ is infinite?
 
@Koro because....its part of maths?
 
Shouldn't that be more suiting to physics?
 
Not many physicists would prove theorems?
 
2:27 PM
The problems are physically motivated but that does not mean that its not maths
also I guess how relevant the fluid mechanics covered is to applications would depend on the course
@Wave probably to show that the assumption of the second borel cantelli is satisfied?
 
@CalvinKhor I think so but I don't see where to apply this fact.
 
You need to show $\sum_n P(|X_n|≥ a √n) = \infty$. LHS is $\sum_n P(|X_n|^2 ≥ a^2 n)$. I think there should be some identity relating $E(X)$ with $\int P(X>t) dt$ maybe
 
ah perfect thanks!
 
$E(|X|) = \int |X| dP = \int \int_0^{|X|} dP = \int_0^\infty P(|X|>t)dt$, and then you can probably do something like an upper Riemann sum
 
So I will try it!
 
2:37 PM
@CalvinKhor Do you know about the "axiom of choice"?
 
@Prithubiswasleftmse lmao. no :P
I know it exists, and if you put a gun to my head and give me maybe 30 minutes i might be able to get it right
@Koro I can't really find a good introductory fluids text online for free, and I'm not 100% sure of your background
but you can glance through say terrytao.wordpress.com/2018/09/03/… and the related posts
readable article about a recent mathematical fluids result accepted in Annals @Koro : quantamagazine.org/…
 
@CalvinKhor By finemans rule, I still haven't learned anything.
 
@Wave you now have an answer which is what I said, but without typos and more details
 
Because I have no idea how to explain it to you XD
 
@Prithubiswasleftmse Feynmann?
 
2:45 PM
$\bigg(\sum_{n=1}^\infty e^{zn^{-s}}\bigg)$ and the domain I want is $s,z>0$ @robjohn
 
@CalvinKhor Yes. I call him Fine Man.
 
@geocalc33 why on earth would you care about such a sum
 
@CalvinKhor I really just care about understanding this: when you have $f(x)$ equals some inverse integral transform and you do a substitution on $x$ then the resulting integral doesn't converge
I will give an example
 
@CalvinKhor I studied fluid mechanics from F.M. White, Fluid Mechanics, McGraw Hill, 1994 during my engineering.
 
the course you linked looks like its a little low on proofs @Koro
@geocalc33 this is a lot more elaborate than the exp/ln thing a while back :) Still don't see any justification tho
 
3:02 PM
my example is $e^{-z}$ being equal to the cahen mellin integral (the inverse mellin transform of the gamma function). substituting $z=n^s$ and summing over $n$ you get a function on the LHS and a convergent integral on the RHS. The RHS allows you to get a formula for the LHS. I'm assuming that if I do a substitution and the RHS doesn't converge then it's probably not useful to get a formula
so then you could ask whether the kernel I mentioned above converges as a distribution
 
But here the sum is convgent
 
in the gamma and e^-z pair yes
I posted a question about it a while ago but nobody answered it
sorry when I said "the kernel I mentioned above" I meant $\bigg(\sum_{n=1}^\infty e^{zn^{-s}}\bigg)$
it's a very short question
 
I asked a question some time ago about a specific Hölder space that doesn't seem to have received much attention....
I came across the definition of this space in an article involving ergodic theory, but I couldn't find another reference with exactly this space....
If anyone came across this space in some book/article/lecture notes I would be very grateful for the reference....
 
3:23 PM
@Mrcrg I only glanced but looks like you can just replace C with R^2
 
@CalvinKhor I thought too, but complex functions have additional properties that probably contribute to a different structure....
@CalvinKhor I could be wrong.... But since the domain is an open one, and the function is $r$ times differentiable there, so it's holomorphic.... it seems to me that a property to be taken into account...
 
If the function is differentiable in the complex sense there is no reason to talk about two times diff functions, or holder functions
As you said they are immediately holomorphic so differentiable infinitely often
 
@CalvinKhor That was another thing I thought... :S... but in this case, what would be important isn't the hölder constant?
 
I believe you will find something for the general case in Leoni’s a first course in sobolev spaces
All the sets for all r and holder coefficients coincide. I don’t know what keeping track of the holder constant is good for. Where is this from? I would continue reading as if C=R^2
Well, all r>=1
 
3:47 PM
@CalvinKhor It is an article, lemma 2, page 6. weizmann.ac.il/math/sarigo/sites/math.sarigo/files/uploads/…
I was wondering about this... If a function F satisfies \lVert F\rVert_{r,\alpha}<\infty, then will it also satisfy \lVert F\rVert_{r+1,\alpha}?
In this case, it would be necessary to guarantee that D_\alpha F^{(r+1)} is finite too...
 
4:08 PM
Is this for analytic functions? This probably follows from Cauchy integral formula
 
@Koro +1, however, you only need continuity at $0$, I don't think the uniform continuity is needed.
@geocalc33 if $s\gt0$, as $n\to\infty$, $e^{zn^{-s}}\to1$. Things are worse if $s\le0$, but I really don't see this converging in any obvious sense.
 
@Mrcrg maybe there is something subtle with the boundary. The Cauchy integral formula argument I was thinking of requires the function to be analytic on a set larger than the domain of interest
 
@CalvinKhor Well, I was trying to prove it and I couldn't, now I've been trying to think of an example for some time, I still haven't been able to. I'll try for a while longer, if not, I'll post the question...
@CalvinKhor I quickly looked at the book you suggested, I didn't find what I'm looking for, later I'll look more carefully...
 
4:25 PM
No I don’t think this is in that book. Your thing looks like a space of analytic functions
Lemma 2 itself doesn’t use the analytic structure but the later parts look like they do
 
@CalvinKhor Yes, forward is used. But I ended up getting interested in this space, but I didn't find any reference :(
I found something similar, but I don't think it's quite that... it's known as Hölder-type spaces
 
Don’t know if it’s in there, on mobile hard to glance thru 74 pages…
 
are mathematicians hypocrites?
They assume AOC even though it leads to contradictions but at the same time critcize other subjects for lack of consistency
 
4:44 PM
How would you prove that all mathematicians assume the AOC and criticise other subjects in that manner
 
True
I think a considerable fraction does assume AOC tho
I guess stereotypes help no one
 
@Mrcrg perhaps also citations of this may be related zbmath.org/?q=an%3A1477.46054
 
@CalvinKhor Thanks for the references, I'll take a look. Partington's notes do not appear to have reference to the space
I found the book "Holomorphic Operator Functions of One Variable and Applications", where is defines this space (so at least I know it exists somewhere else... hehe), but seems to be concerned with other things, but still interesting...
 
5:02 PM
It is a subspace of the disc algebra. But I couldn’t find any leads using this information
 
5:24 PM
@CalvinKhor Thank you for your help! A professor of mine said that this is an important space, but I couldn't find any reference (he didn't provide it to me either)... It seems to me that it might be a better known space in physics... who knows...
 
Welcome, sorry I can’t help much more. You might get an answer if you post a question on MO or Math.SE
 
@CalvinKhor I already posted on math.stackexchange. Do you suggest posting on mathoverflow?
 
5:42 PM
Any experts on gyrovectors here?
 
5:58 PM
i could point you to a good Greek deli maybe?
 
Careful when you nutate.
 
Is there anything special about the cantor set other than the fact that it is uncountable and nowhere dense?
 
@robjohn yeah, I also think now that ufc is not needed.
@VioletFlame it's a perfect set.
(closed set whose every point is a limit point)
Cantor's set is of length zero.
 
There are many such sets why is cantor set so famous?
 
In this sense, Cantor's set is a very small set. But in the sense of uncountability, Cantor's set is a large set.
@VioletFlame may be due to simplicity of its construction?
And the fact that it is uncountable but still has length zero.
 
7:09 PM
@Koro A similar question was asked yesterday in regards to another similar set
 
hello my dear friends
and also @robjohn
can I ask a question?
 
@Asinomás That removes me from the class of "dear friends"
@Asinomás sure, you can always ask.
 
You are not a dear, or a doe, which is a female dear
oh, deer is with two e's
I was reading this post on meta math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/34791/… but I have only gone through edit queue a limited number of times and forget how it works
I recall there is like an "approve and edit" option or something like that
Is there aso a "reject and edit" option ? (THIS IS MY QUESTION I THINK)
because I was trying to get to the crux of the issue the OP was trying to convey
I think that the OP of that meta post did not deserve "REJECT AND EDIT" (if such a thing exists)
Oh I think the edits were actually "rejected" which is not something I personally would congratulate.
 
@Asinomás there is "reject and edit". There is no "approve and edit"
 
Oh, if you want to do a further edit you have to reject it?
Well I guess you could approve and then re-edit, but that's more cumbersome
I am now humbled then :/
 
7:22 PM
@Asinomás Or approve it and edit it later
 
Thank you for you helm
 
The title edit was rejected citing this post.
 
Sorry, I meant help.
 
The rest of the title was tall enough that it seems to have negated the necessity of that.
 
I have nothing to complain about.
Your reasoning is sound
 
7:29 PM
is there a name for a dynamical system with the property that, for any initial value the system always converges to the same value
 
@Asinomás $\boxed{\textstyle\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} \frac{\arctan (x^{3/2})}{\sqrt x}}$ $\boxed{\textstyle\raise{2pt}{\lim\limits_{x \rightarrow \infty}}\frac{\arctan (x^{3/2})}{\sqrt x}}$
 
@robjohn Not undeservedly? :D
 
so they have the same height?
 
Note that I had to raise the limit a couple of points, but this edit would maintain the title height and give the improvement that the edit was trying for
 
I've never been a huge fan of the $x\to a$ to the side. Because of the denominator, you can get away with it :P
 
7:36 PM
So, the edit could have been improved without rejecting it.
 
You're right
 
@TedShifrin without raising the limit 2 points, it does increase the height
 
Ah. OK.
 
not terribly, but it does.
 
I think I just approve edits if they look well-intended
like a moron
but I don't even go through them anymore
well, well intended and not changing the meaning into something else
 
7:39 PM
I think that if some people see a \limits_ in a title, they immediately go into change mode
 
ooh
I believe you
 
@TedShifrin Having never met someone might remove me from that class by default.
 
Well, you are my favorite mod on the site if that is worth something
although I have considered nominating myself for moderator
under the promise of not logging in until the day I resign
 
LOL
 
Can someone please take a quick look at my recent question concerning a volume of a certain pyramid using a surface integral: math.stackexchange.com/q/4450561/144766
The idea should be relatively simple, I'm just looking for a confirmation that I'm not missing something major here
 
8:03 PM
$$\int_0^{1}x^k ~dx=\frac{1}{k+1}$$

$$ \int_0^1 x^{\frac{1}{k+1}}~dx=\frac{k+1}{k+2} $$

$$ \int_0^1 x^{\frac{k+1}{k+2}}~dx=\frac{k+2}{2k+3} $$

$$\cdot\cdot\cdot $$
That took up a lot of space
 
@Asinomás I have commented to the same effect on that post.
@geocalc33 The limit you're heading for is $\phi^{-1}=\phi-1$.
 
8:26 PM
@mechanodroid I certainly do not understand why you are using a surface integral rather than just usual limits of integration on a triple integral. I also don't understand why you've set it up this way rather than putting the cone point at the origin (although perhaps spherical coordinates doesn't seem so natural with your problem here).
 
@TedShifrin Cavalieri's principle is not being used properly. I have added a comment.
 
9:15 PM
@robjohn TBH, I didn't examine it carefully because it seemed a grotesque approach in the first place. Thanks for your diligence.
 
@micsthepick So, I left a script running overnight to check the 6x6x4 case, but I had to kill it abruptly this morning, because it had consumed too much memory and didn't respond to a keyboard interrupt. I suspect that the 6x6x2 case is not too much difficulty, however I cannot verify that there is just a bug in my code that causes it to return 0
 
@TedShifrin I agree that it is grotesque, but I know I try many things on the way to finding a nice path, so I want to explain why it won't work before they get in a bad habit.
 
just got a jury summons. apparently i have to check every night for a week if not called
 
@micsthepick if the matrices are different sizes, there are bigger problems than transposition
@copper.hat Yep. Those are annoying.
 
oakland used to let you off after just one day of suspense. long beach does the week of torture.
 
9:19 PM
@robjohn that's true, however if you are using numpy, sometimes it allows you to add and subtract arrays of different size, if it can repeat an axis
 
ick!
 
@copper I had one that arrived during the height of Covid. I delayed, but then realized that my back/neck couldn't take sitting on a hard chair 8 hours a day for however many days — even one hour would be difficult, so I asked for a permanent health dismissal and got it.
 
even in that case though, the same rule would apply I guess?
 
@TedShifrin sorry about your back, at least some mild benefit. i was rejected the last rime
this is superior court, alameda. a week of checking is almost like 5 jury duties!
 
@copper.hat I've been rejected the last three times.
@leslietownes As far as I know, LA does a week.
unless they've changed recently
 
9:23 PM
i got rejected because of some evidence rule, i said i would be uncomfortable convicting someone on a single testimony
 
i remember my employer being thrilled. 'i might have jury duty' 'oh, what day' 'all of one week.' we shared the suspense together.
now you're in their files as a probable anarchist.
 
I was rejected numerous times by lawyers in Athens, GA, but the first time I got called after I moved to the adjacent county, I got nabbed and was the fore-person of the jury. But never got called again until I moved here.
 
@copper.hat once, my wife being an attorney actually tainted me. The other times, I expressed my belief that police will testify to support each other, regardless of facts. I have seen them be untruthful in court more than enough.
 
my wife's mom gets it all the time. she's been on so many juries.
rob: i'd go so far as to say that's more than a 'belief.' at least in LA county.
 
I support police, but their behavior in court is suspect to me.
@leslietownes I can definitely see a person taking that position.
can you tell my wife is an attorney?
 
9:27 PM
i hope nobody ever asks me that, haha.
not that they always lie, but they do lie. there's a culture of it. maybe stronger in some places than in others.
 
@leslietownes The judge asked if I could put that aside and judge things on their own merit, I said, ignore my experience? I don't think so.
 
at least some of the lying is well intentioned. they're not usually trying to railroad people as much as they believe their coworkers and don't want to see someone get away because of a lack of evidence. some of my friends would disagree with my assessment.
 
i used to keep a diary with lots of details. years later i would tell a story and (sometimes) later check the facts as i had recorded them. my recollection was frequently wrong in many aspects. so, testimony without some corroboration always seems suspect to me. (to be fair, we are talking about 3 decades ago.)
 
a good investigation can often find some other evidence. it says something when a prosecutor is concerned about the bare minimum amount of evidence necessary to avoid losing on appeal.
because that's a tiny amount of evidence.
there's some famous case, i don't think it's in california. someone saying "i did not do that" and the jury not believing that was sufficient evidence. there was basically nothing else in the record.
which is why you don't take the stand in your criminal case.
 
Wow
 
9:37 PM
@TedShifrin Thanks, I wasn't sure how to set up the limits for the triple integral. Namely, I don't know how to find the limits for the $(x,y)$ variables, I would have to project $S$ to the $xy$-plane and this projection is certainly not a square in general. Could you help me?
@robjohn Thanks a lot for your observation, I've replied to you in a comment about a possible fix.
I find amusing both of you found my approach grotesque when that was basically the only thing that came to mind since I don't know how to set up the triple integral (at least it seems it would be more complicated than this).
 
this chat finds a lot of things grotesque.
 
9:52 PM
grotesque is a gargoyle without a spout
another way of saying that a gargoyle is a grotesque with a spout
my sister-in-law corrects people who call something without a spout a gargoyle; she says, "that's a grotesque".
she majored in history (with some art in there somewhere)
some consider my avatar grotesque
 
Especially if they know you!
 
I guess if I added a spout, I'd be a gargoyle.
 
@mechanodroid It's not a standard triple integral set-up from your approach because you're using a cone (with its vertex on the z-axis) rather than a cylindrical shape. My approach would be, as I said, to put the vertex at the origin and turn the picture upside-down. It's most natural to work in spherical coordinates and give your surface as $\rho = f(\phi,\theta)$.
The only trickiness is that that surface is limited by the cone over the square (in the plane $z=H$ now). So the four "faces" come from $x=a, z=H, -a\le y\le a$ and so on. So we have to translate those four faces into the spherical coordinate picture, but it should be doable.
 

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