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@TedShifrin I posted a comment, because it really doesn't answer the question.
@robjohn Fair enough. You only have to sum residues at countably many points converging thereto. :)
@TedShifrin the problem is that we don't know how many singularities are not inside $\gamma_0$ so we don't know how many residues to add.
Agreed. But even so, there's now a countable sum of these infinite sums.
Your point is that we don't have a well-defined integral independent of contour.
00:34
How do I find the minimal polynomial for $\xi_{13}$ over $\mathbb{Q(\xi_{13}+\xi_{13}^{-1}})$ ?
This shouldn't be hard. Don't get lost in the forest.
Forget $\xi_{13}$. Call the number $\alpha$ and answer your question, using only $|\alpha|=1$.
Oh, that's not even relevant the way you phrased it.
By the way, don't number theory people write $\zeta_{13}$, not $\xi_{13}$?
$\xi_{13}$ is just $exp(2\pi/13)$
I know what it is.
But the standard Greek letter, as I said, is $\zeta$.
oh yeah, it is $\zeta$ haha
i've been writing $\xi$ this whole time
Anyhow, just do it with any $\alpha$.
00:47
yeah im still stuck
So you are working in $\Bbb Q(\beta)$ and $\alpha + 1/\alpha = \beta$.
01:03
So what equation does $\alpha$ satisfy working in $\Bbb Q(\beta)$?
$\alpha^2-\alpha \beta +1=0$?
Almost.
01:18
Don't you mean $\exp(2\pi i/13)$?
$X^2-\beta X+1$ is the minimal polynomial. To show it is irreducible, it suffices to show that $\alpha$ and $\beta-\alpha$ are not in $\mathbb{Q}(\beta)$
right?
yup @Jakobian
@TedShifrin
Doesn't it just suffice to show $\alpha\notin \mathbb{Q}(\beta)$, which follows from $\text{Im}(\alpha)\neq\emptyset$
$Im(\alpha)$?
I mean $0$ but $0 = \emptyset$
Imaginary part
@monoidal $\beta\in\Bbb R$, but $\alpha\notin\Bbb R$.
01:31
But $\beta-\alpha$ and $\alpha$ are the only possible roots, no? None of which lie in $\mathbb{Q}(\beta)$
Well, how do you know that $\alpha\notin\Bbb Q(\beta)$?
Because $|\mathbb{Q}(\alpha):\mathbb{Q}|=12$
Maybe $\sqrt{\beta^2-4}\in\Bbb Q(\beta)$.
I think this is going to turn into circular reasoning soon.
@monoidaltransform $\mathbb{Q}(\beta)\subseteq \mathbb{R}$
northern shoveler reasoning.
01:37
If $f\in F[x]$ with degree $n$, then it has at atmost $n$ roots in $F$. Suppose it has all n roots. Can we have a field extension $E$ of $F$ containing other roots?
I do not follow your reasoning, @monoidal.
is that a question specifically for me?
The answer to your question is no, but so what?
@TedShifrin because what i'm trying to say is if I let $P=X^2-X\beta +1\in \mathbb{Q}(\beta)$ , with root $\alpha$, then the only other possible root is $\beta - \alpha$ and we can't have $\alpha \in \mathbb{Q}(\beta)$ because $|\mathbb{Q}(\alpha):\mathbb{Q}|=12$ and this implies that $\beta - \alpha \notin \mathbb{Q}(\beta)$
If $X^2-\beta X+1$ wasn't minimal, then $X-\alpha$ would be, so we would need to have $\alpha\in\mathbb{Q}(\beta)\subseteq \mathbb{R}$
01:41
Hence $P$ is a minimal polynomial for $\alpha$ over $\mathbb{Q}(\beta)$
isn't it simpler to notice that $\beta$ is a real number?
sure, but is my reasoning incorrect though?
Why couldn't we have $|\Bbb Q(\beta):\Bbb Q|=12$?
It's complicated, and I'm more in for clean solutions
Complicated and not clearly correct, as far as I see.
01:45
we're already given that $|\mathbb{Q}(\beta):\mathbb{Q}|=6$ in the lecture notes
Well, then we're done without anything else.
How are we given that?
If you know the degree of $\beta$ is $6$ and the degree of $\alpha$ is 12, then of course it's trivial that $\alpha\notin\Bbb Q(\beta)$.
But Jakobian and I are suggesting an argument that doesn't use all this information!
I wouldn't be surprised if your professor deduced the degree of $\beta$ by using what we're trying to prove here.
So be very careful.
I don't know how to see it easily otherwise.
Did we find an irreducible sextic polynomial that $\beta$ satisfies?
He deduced it by saying that $\mathbb{Q}(\alpha)$ has a unique subfield $L$ such that $|L:\mathbb{Q}|=6$. Then he used an argument to show that $L= \mathbb{Q}(\beta)$
"used an argument"?
We're going in circles, I think.
northern shoveling
Yeah, he used the following proposition: If $H\leq Gal(\mathbb{Q}(\xi_{p})/\mathbb{Q})$ then setting $\alpha = \sum_{\sigma \in H}\sigma(\xi_{p})$ we have $\mathbb{Q}(\alpha)=\mathbb{Q}(\xi_{p})^{H}$
01:53
LOL ... Did you ever look at that normal operators question I pointed you to? I gave him an answer, eventually. I dunno if he finished up.
i looked at it only after you posted the solution. you were kinder than i would have been.
Wow, we're doing heavy duty Galois theory here instead of noticing a number is real? You're nuts, @monoidal.
@leslie Kinder to give in and write that down for him? I liked making the point about commutativity with trace.
But this is bad. Now both you and copper think I'm too kind. I need to get to be more of an ass.
yes. i upvoted that solution because of how it made that clear.
01:56
It occurred to me when I worked it out that a newbie could easily not get it.
yes, you could know the definitions of everything and miss it.
does MSE allow gif responses? i'm tempted to respond to questions with an animated gif of northern shovelers circling in a pond.
If you don't switch the order in the definition of the inner product, you get stuck!
You'll probably get banned for it, but go for it. We'll visit you in jail.
i want my MSE jumpsuit.
I keep saying I'm quitting when I get to 100K.
If I retired once, I can retire with multiplicity two.
maybe i'll quit when i get to 10k. should be, i dunno, 2030 by that point.
01:58
I answer almost nothing these days ... and what I do gets very few votes.
The cheater culture that leads to PSQs also leads to very few votes.
i kinda hate it when the OP doesn't upvote or comment when i give the sole answer to the question.
I go back and say that if they don't have further questions, they should accept.
I notice that back in 2013 and 2014 I wasn't doing that.
The unselfish rationale is "so that the question goes off the unanswered list."
yes, that's what concerns me. the unanswered list.
a person asked a kind of interesting question in operator theory a while ago. it was obviously wrong, but it might have been a garbled version of a good question. about what happens at the boundary of the spectrum when you pass to a subalgebra.
i gave an answer that suggested, please say more about what motivated this. dead silence.
my daughter successfully negotiated ice cream as her afternoon snack.
what flavor?
She is going to get an A+ in bratty.
02:02
strawberry.
yummy
it involved a car trip, because we don't have ice cream at home. she was a very effective negotiator.
chocolate hazelnut for me.
I need to go to my favorite truly Italian gelato place in La Jolla. Field trip for my birthday.
we had a parent teacher conference on friday. apparently she has begun to be bratty in class. (?!)
And then there's my favorite ice cream place in the world, in Paris.
02:04
i wonder if i've been there. our last vacation was to la jolla and we got gelato.
Begun? Begun? Have they been asleep?
Yes, you must have gone to Bobboi.
the person who does the 3-6pm shift at day care is weak, she broke her long ago. the morning people may not have known about this.
Berthillon in Paris is the world's best.
They go gathering fruits, berries, and herbs in August.
yes, bobboi was it. parking around there was a bit of a job.
Yeah, parking sucks in La Jolla.
02:06
my daughter would like seeing the seals or sea lions. pretty good birding at that point too.
Yeah, parking sucks in La Jolla.
But that place is superb.
Yes, my sister wants me to take her there every visit, ostensibly for sea lions but really for (vegan) ice cream.
i love la jolla, it's a beautiful place. i was last down there for work. i sat in a poorly air conditioned office building and deposed somebody for six hours.
Well, if you ever work again, let me know and I'll meet you :)
when it was done we were all talking with the stenographer and videographer about our plans for the rest of the day. i said i was going to legoland. the witness said, oh, is your daughter with you? i said no. i don't think anybody understood that i was joking.
which, frankly, is how i prefer it.
@TedShifrin My mom's brother and family lived near La Jolla for a while. He was in the Navy, so San Diego was their home except when he was stationed in Japan.
02:14
Well, the commute back should have been less than 4 hours in that direction.
Point Loma was another of their homes.
oh, cool. one of my friends' husbands used to command a group, squadron, something or other at pendleton. i'd pop in and say hi to him when i was down there.
ted: i just beat rush hour. i think i made it in 2.5 hours.
My uncle was in command of an aircraft carrier, I think it was the Carl Vinson.
we went to see the change of command
wow.
my grandfather was a major for a while in WW2 but they were tossing out promotions like souvenir t-shirts for a while. everyone else in my family was 1LT or lower.
02:30
My uncle was the only one in my family that I know of that was in the military
i think i'm the first generation of mine who wasn't. and i'm too old to draft. i escaped.
I remember my mom saying that if I ever got something that looked like a draft notice, to not open it and contact my uncle about getting into the Navy
but that is as close as it ever got
@robjohn What years was he in command?
we had a substitute teacher in high school that we made fun of for being old and out of it, and when i googled him later he had a silver star for doing something nearly suicidal in combat and somehow surviving.
kids are jerks
02:53
@RandomVariable I was young, late 60s or in the 70s. He retired in 1980
Then it probably wasn't the Carl Vinson.
I see, that launched in 1980, so yeah.
The Carl Vinson has had a bunch of mishaps recently. They're trying to recover a F-35C that sunk to the bottom of the South China Sea.
03:37
The only thing I can find online is that he commanded VAW-114 in the 70's. My mother had said that he was in command of a carrier, but I cannot find online evidence of this.
in 1966, as a Lt Cmdr, he made the first Greyhound carrier onboard delivery (COD) in the combat zone on board Kitty Hawk, from NAS Cubi Point, Philippines, in the Gulf of Tonkin.
kitty hawk just visited long beach on its way to the scrap yard.
less than two weeks ago
i saw it from a distance
when we went to the change of command, it must have been the Kitty Hawk from the timing.
VAW-114 was with the Kitty Hawk at that time
I remember seeing the carrier up close and it was big
Given the ongoing issues with the USS Gerald Ford, maybe they shouldn't have scrapped the Kitty Hawk.
I will try to contact my cousin and see if he can shed more light on this.
04:32
@robjohn: hello! Did you see the outline of the proof? In the centenary edition of the book, (. ) open interval is used in place of [] closed interval as symbols. I think the set theory didn’t exist that time.
04:52
> Celebrating 100 years in print with Cambridge, this edition includes a Foreword by T. W. K?rner, describing the huge influence the book has had on the teaching and development of mathematics worldwide. Hardys presentation of mathematical analysis is as valid today as when first written: 1908
Review comment: It's a 5 star book with a great knowledge of calculus and complex numbers also with additional theorems in calculus which can be found no where in books available in India
Yet, the JEE will test students on that material.
05:14
@Koro "the set theory didn't exist at that time"??????!!!
05:30
@TedShifrin I don’t know. The ‘set’ word is rarely used in the book. And instead the words like ‘collection’ etc were used.
(a,b) could be a symbol for closed and bounded interval.
etc.
I’ll not be surprised. The book was written probably before 1920. Set theory came in around 1908.
governing dynamics
05:55
> Between the years 1874 and 1897, the German mathematician and logician Georg Cantor created a theory of abstract sets of entities and made it into a mathematical discipline...
i would go to legoland on my own.
i did an overnight on a carrier once. can't say i slept that well.
06:17
me too.
i do think of axiomatic set theory as an early 20th century thing but certainly they had the 'theory' of intervals worked out. the notation was just less standardized.
i think that cantor got into set theory because of fourier series. the sets on which they converge and diverge can get ugly fast. but not a lot of that in textbooks, then or even now.
06:34
@koro have you seen math.berkeley.edu/programs/graduate/prelim-exams/archive ? pretty good sets of problems. given to first year grad students as a prerequisite to focusing on a research area and taking more advanced exams.
@leslietownes not until today. Thanks for sharing :).
it contains group theory questions too :).
yes, it's the whole range. group theory, linear algebra, real and complex analysis. some topology. they have solution sketches for recent problems.
i have worked out solutions for most of the problems 1977-2002. they aren't online.
i spent my year between undergrad and grad school doing these problems.
nice :).
I'll try these too :).
students got multiple tries on this exam. i think you could fail it twice before things got serious. people who failed it usually failed because they didn't take preparation seriously and assumed it would be 'easy undergraduate stuff,' which it is, but it covers a lot of easy undergraduate stuff, and was a timed exam.
@leslietownes Cool
06:47
Leslie: I suppose it is a 3 hrs exam.
i forget, but yeah, something like that.
An exam paper from my college: iitg.ac.in/anjankc/Endsem_Paper.pdf
We were also given three hours usually for midsem or endsem.
the paper is for 1st year engineering students.
yeah, i looked in my notes, it was three hours for the exam.
@Koro you are in iitg!? I too :))
@Rover I completed my BTech in 2018 so I'm not there anymore. :(
06:52
@Koro Okk!
I miss college though. I have kept my alumni card with one Ph.D student there. I said-don't courier it to me yet, I'll collect it myself one day :D.
@leslietownes could use these for when I'm prepping for the GRE math test in the fall...
they're slightly more advanced than GRE questions (and not multiple choice), but yeah, a lot of similar subject matter. on the GRE i found it very helpful that questions were given with candidate answers.
@Koro Oh :) , I got admitted this year!
endless test life
06:57
I wouldn't be taking the regular GRE it would be the Math specialized version, I'm guessing they go more in depth than the regular one.
@Rover great. All the best :).
when i took the subject exam, it did cover, i want to say maybe chapters 1 and 2 of each introductory book in abstract algebra, real analysis, etc. it's helpful to study the specification of the exam to realize what won't be on it.
i think the hardest problems when i took it were multivariable integrals. just calculus homework.
contour integral from complex analysis, number theory everything is there :).
in some questions hints are also given.
@Koro Thanks :)
07:14
when i took the gre, i think the math section was experimental.
when i took it there were definitely experimental questions on the subject exam. i don't know if there were experimental questions on the math portion of the general exam.
'There exists a continuous function from{f(x; y) belongs to $R^2 : 1 < x^2 + y^2 < 2}$ onto
{x belongs to R : |x| > 1}' what does it mean? |x|>1 is codomain?
One of the senior in my college said that gre is meaningless exam.
07:45
not if you want to get into graduate school
Hey, @dc3rd Here's a plot of your cubic: sagecell.sagemath.org/…
THanks.....I take it Sage is your math language of choice for plotting?
Well, it's convenient because I can use Sage on my phone, and share it easily
@copper.hat especially when you need it to show "growth" from a scorched earth earlier years..........😭😭😭
@PM2Ring now yo're just showing off.....😄
But I often plot stuff using plain Python, outputting directly in SVG.
SVG knows how to do quadratic & cubic Bézier curves, which is rather handy, if you have the Bézier control points.
In fact, vector graphics systems like SVG, PDF, and Postscript use Bézier curves to draw circles and ellipses, since that avoids square root extraction
07:55
Joey Bezier has also granted his rights to the public domain, while Tommy Square Root requires royalties on each extraction
I noted one question (problem 9B) in the question paper of 2018: finding smallest n such that S_n has a cyclic subgroup of order 111.
I think such n should be 40.
111= 3* 37
Cyclic decomposition of a permutation that is required to create a permutation of order 111 is: 37+3
hence minimum such n equals 40.
yes, i agree.
One problem is something like this (problem 6B): in a square matrix of order n by n, if diagonal elements dominate sum of other elements in each row then the matrix is invertible.
It looks familiar as it's stated in Strang's book (without proof, iirc).
I just noticed that Paul de Casteljau is still alive. I bet he never imagined back in 1959 that the algorithm he developed for plotting Bézier curves would be used so extensively today. Imagine if he & Bézier got royalties for that stuff. ;)
@PM2Ring If you use rational quadratic (not even cubic) b-splines, you can get exact circles and ellipses
08:03
I'll try proving the theorem. I took it for granted the last time I saw it.
professor Robjohn: I don't know if it's allowed to send screenshot of a book else I would have shared the screenshot of the continuous way proof.
@robjohn True, but plain Béziers are adequate, if the angle is small enough, as you nicely explained here: math.stackexchange.com/a/873589/207316
@leslietownes Square roots are fast on modern hardware, but they're still slower than division, which is slower than multiplication. When you're doing a lot of that stuff in a loop, it pays to optimize it.
Modern fonts use Bézier curves. So to render this Web page, your browser is rendering a lot of Bézier curves.
08:21
surely that isn't done in real time, though.
i didn't mean to mock bezier curves, which are everywhere. joey and i are old friends.
08:41
Sorry, I got sidetracked, watching capybara videos. youtu.be/C7xyoPqYkYM :)
@leslietownes Yes, it's real time. That's why you can zoom in & out without pixellization.
The renderer doesn't recompute the curve at every step of the zoom, though. It uses simple linear interpolation to speed things up, but the exact curve is computed when you stop zooming, so you can see some pixellization while the zoom is happening.
who zooms in and out? i love capybaras.
Capybaras seem to be the most relaxed members of the rodent family. I've never met one IRL, but I've watched a lot of videos.
i strive for a capybara level of consciousness.
08:58
Kangaroos are pretty chilled-out, too. Wild ones don't like it if you get too close, though. They hop away if you get within 3 metres or so. But tame ones love interacting with humans. I used to hand-feed some kangaroos when I was a kid. There was a place near my aunite's house that had a small mob of tame roos.
my daughter is obsessed with kangaroos. she hasn't seen one in real life yet.
@monoidaltransform $\beta^6+\beta^5-5\beta^4-4\beta^3+6\beta^2+3\beta-1=0$
@leslietownes Tie me kangaroo down, sport!
classic 😊
09:15
From 2010 to 2017, I lived near Woolgoolga. We'd sometimes get roos in our yard. It's not unusual to see roos in the Woolgoolga town centre. They often lie around on the football field. They sometimes even cross the main road, so you have to watch out for them while driving. Kangaroos don't have much road sense. ;)
sadly we do not have wild kangaroos where i live. sometimes coyotes and peacocks.
@monoidaltransform: and $P(x)=x^6+x^5-5x^4-4x^3+6x^2+3x-1$ is irreducible by Eisenstein applied to $P(x+2)=x^6+13x^5+65x^4+156x^3+182x^2+91x+13$.
Kangaroos have very soft fur. But not as soft as alpacas. Those guys are incredibly soft.
@leslietownes we have a lot of coyotes in our area recently
the coyotes around here look very hungry. i think it is hunger that leads them so far into the city
we used to see rabbits around our house. not anymore
09:23
Woolgoolga has a big Indian population (and the 1st Indian temple in Australia), so I expect there might be some captive peacocks in the district, although I didn't see any. We did get the occasional bush turkey in our yard, though.
And lots of parrots, who loved our bird bath. Mostly rainbow lorrikeets, but I counted 6 different parrot species, including the rare black parrots, who never actually landed in our yard, just flew overhead.
our peacock population is due to some deluded people in the 19th century who thought it would be fun to keep them as pets. we also have feral parrots, conures mostly, for similar reasons.
at our old house we had a magnolia tree and a dozen of the birds would land in it and eat all the seeds and make huge messes on the sidewalk.
When our umbrella tree was in season, a pair of king parrots would visit to eat the fruit. The female has nondescript green plumage, but the male has a vivid red breast.
Birds are not known for their table manners. This has generally worked out well for the plants that the birds feed on.
Suppose $f(z) = \sum_{n=0}^\infty a_nz^n$ has a radius of convergence $R>1$. If $f(z)\in\Bbb R$ for all $|z| = 1$ then $f$ is constant on $D(0,R)$ i.e, open ball of radius $R$ centered at $0$.
We had a few different corvid visitors, too. Mostly a couple of species of magpie, but one day we had some amazing-looking ravens at the bird bath, with deep chocolate plumage. They didn't bathe, though.
This guy was on our street on Friday and I think it's the one that was in our backyard 11:30 the night before.
09:35
i love ravens. my sister used to live near an area overrun with yellow-billed magpies, a species unique to california.
there's ours.
The proof I know is letting $a_n = \alpha_n + i\beta_n$ for each $n$ then $\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_n z^n = \sum_{n=0}^\infty (\alpha_n\cos n\theta-\beta_n\sin n\theta)+ i\sum_{n=0}^\infty (\alpha_n\sin n\theta+\beta_n\cos n\theta)$. So the first summand $\sum_{n=0}^\infty (\alpha_n\cos n\theta-\beta_n\sin n\theta) = 0$ for all $\theta\in [0,2\pi]$. And this series is in fact uniformly convergent on $[0,2\pi]$. Then integrate this series with $\cos m\theta$ and $\sin m\theta$, $\alpha_m =\beta_m =0$.
Any simpler approach to that problem?
09:55
@love_sodam $f(\mathbb{T})$ is compact and connected, so an interval in $\mathbb{R}$. I think there must be something there.
maybe we can show that $\mathbb{D}$ is mapped to that interval.
using MMP?
do you see a way?
Here's an Australian Coastal Carpet Python sunbathing in my back yard a few years ago. The snake spent the winter in that rock wall, but disappeared in the early spring. Sorry I don't have a better photo. It was hard to get even that close without scaring the snake.
@robjohn maybe using maximum/minimum modulus principle assuming $f$ doesn't vanish on $\overline{\Bbb D}$.
@love_sodam The interval could contain $0$
10:08
so eventually, if that interval contains $0$ then $f$ should be identically $0$.
but I don't see any way to derive that from the given condition. can identity theorem be helpful here?
@LeakyNun Are you around
 
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11:33
@BalarkaSen yes
fantastic
So
I claim there's a degree $24$ polynomial over $\Bbb Q$ with Galois group $S_5$
@BalarkaSen or in other words, $S_5$ has a subgroup of index 24
exactly
i.e. order 5
which is (12345)
so why is lmfdb not returning anything
11:43
I think their polynomials stop at like degree 12 or something?
but I don't know why they have this degreee 20 field: lmfdb.org/NumberField/…
yeah exactly thats why i was confused
20 it returns many
yeah maybe it's just too high
12:31
@LeakyNun is this obvious?
@love_sodam I need to specify it more
that subgroup's "galois closure" needs to be the trivial subgroup
the "galois closure" of $H$ is $\cap_{g \in G} gHg^{-1}$
@LeakyNun Could you explain?
which part?
all. I can't see how existence of degree 24 polynomial over ~~ is equivalent to $S_5$ has a subgroup of index 24. Doesn't look like a correspondence theorem.
13:02
@love_sodam so there's firstly the primitive element theorem
which says that all finite extensions over Q are generated by a single element
so a degree 24 polynomial is equivalent to a degree 24 extension
then use the galois correspondence
13:24
Is there a first-order axiomatic definition of Groups?
13:36
Under what conditions can. I do this? Or am I just a dumbass and is this always false?
13:57
@love_sodam the open mapping theorem provides a contradiction.
$f(\mathbb{D})$ is contained inside of $f(\mathbb{T})$, which is empty.
14:12
How did I go wrong?
@LearningCHelpMeV2 what about $\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}=\pm\frac{\sqrt{1-y^2}}y$
@robjohn How did you arrive at that?
$\left(y^2-1\right)^2=\left(1-y^2\right)^2$
those are the parts with the $i$ in your factorization that you ignored
@robjohn Ohh. I see.
Thanks
14:37
why if I have a differential form $(1+z)dz$ I need to put parentheses on it, except if it's inside an integral $\int 1+zdz$?
14:52
@robjohn Not sure, what my question here is exactly. But when you solve the individual separable DE's in the factorization above. For the parts with $i$, you get $-i\sqrt{y^2-1}=x+A$ and $i\sqrt{y^2-1}=x+B$. But when you solve $\frac{dy}{dx} = \pm \frac{\sqrt{1-y^2}}{y}$. You get real solutions. I haven't learned complex calculus yet, so I am not even sure if the above solutions are right, but wolfram says so. So I guess my question is are they equal?
If you don't understand the complex numbers, don't factor over the complex numbers. Just use that if $a^4=\left(b^2-1\right)^2$, then $a^2=\pm\left(b^2-1\right)$, so $a=\pm\sqrt{\pm\left(b^2-1\right)}$
@robjohn Okay, got it. Thanks
15:07
@LearningCHelpMeV2 furthermore, those are real if $|y|\le1$
@dc3rd I use Mathematica. here is the output of ContourPlot[y^2-x^3-x^2==0, {x, -5/4, 1/2}, {y, -1/2, 1/2}, AspectRatio->Automatic, PlotPoints->50, ContourStyle->Thickness[1/300], GridLines->Automatic, ImageSize->600]
The extra options are to match PM2Ring's image :-)
15:33
@robjohn The other day I asked if $f(x)$ and $g(t) \sin(xt)$ being in $L^{2}(\mathbb{R})$ implies that $$\int_{\mathbb{R}^{2}} f(x) g(t) \sin(xt) \, \mathrm dt \, \mathrm dx =\int_{\mathbb{R}^{2}} f(x) g(t) \sin(xt) \, \mathrm dx \, \mathrm dt. $$ But isn't this just Plancherel's theorem for the sine Fourier transform? Could this somehow be false if $g(t)$ itself is not in $L^{2}(\mathbb{R})$?
 
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17:10
what do we know about $g(s)=\sum_{n=1}^\infty f(n^s)$ for $f(x) \ne 1/x$
geo: could be anything, consider f(x) = g(x^{1/s})
it has to converge for some region
there's a whole theory for the case $f(x)=1/x$
17:52
@Derivative You should put parentheses there, too, for clarity.
@RandomVariable Plancherel applies if $f,g\in L^2$, which is not what is there near $x=0$
I don't have a counterexample right now, but you suggested one yesterday. Have you tried working it through?
@robjohn I don't have a potential counterexample, and I have a feeling that one doesn't exist. It seems to always be true.
18:27
Given a group of order 36 and its subgroup H of order 4, can it be said that H is abelian?
If yes, then how?
I see no reason to believe that unless additional information is given about the group of order 36.
there are only two groups of order 4. the cyclic one and the klein group.
Argh!!
thanks.
how to prove it? OK, if there's an element of order 4 its cyclic. otherwise all non identity elements have order 2. math.stackexchange.com/questions/238171/… might be the result to use in that case.
I know that. Any group upto order five is abelian.
We know how to classify abelian groups upto isomorphism.
order 4 group has only two groups upto isomorphism $C_4$ and $C_2\times C_2$.
yeah. it's worth keeping a list of ways of classifying groups of small order. with three or four theorems you can get into the 20s before things get complicated.
when you get to order 32, you're basically dealing with all of the complexity of groups.
18:35
Leslie: what's this result called? Every prime order p element in an abelian group, appears in multiple of $p^k-1$.
i'm not sure i understand the statement. are you counting elements of order p?
This is stronger than the corollary of Lagrange' theorem that says that an element of order $n$ appear as a multiple of $\phi(n)$, where $\phi$ is Euler's function.
yes, I'm counting the elements of order $p$.
i don't know if it has a name. math.stackexchange.com/questions/3428436/… has a good proof.
For example: there exists no abelian group in this world that has 14 numbers of order 3 elements in it.
thanks, I'll take a look at that.
@RandomVariable I can't say for sure whether it's true or not. I have a suspicion that it is not, but I don't have a counterexample.
18:47
I've finally finished all exercises from the 11/13 sections of the appendix of the book I'm reading
now exercises from stuff relating to homotopies
19:23
Hi, I'm studying the uniform convergence of $\sum_{n\geq 1} \frac{(-1)^{n}}{\sqrt{n}}x^{n}$ on $E=[0,1]$. But M-Test seems does not work, because: with $f_{n}(x)=\frac{(-1)^{n}}{\sqrt{n}}x^{n}$ then $|f_{n}(x)|\leqslant \frac{1}{\sqrt{n}}$ on $E$ but $\sum \frac{1}{\sqrt{n}}$ diverges.
Hi
how do I find the minimal polynomial of
@Alex can you show the convergence (point wise) of the series?
exp(2pi i/13)+exp(16pi i/13)+exp(24pi i/13)+exp(10pi i/13)
yeah, you don't want to replace x with 1, you lose information.
koro's got this. :)
Well, setting $s_{N}(x)=\sum_{k=1}^{N}\frac{(-1)^{k}}{\sqrt{k}}x^{k}$, then we are looking for $(s_{N}(x))\underset{N\to +\infty}{\longrightarrow} f(x)$ for the pointwise convergence. I do not know how calculate this limit.
19:35
Alex: I would note here that: partial sums of the alternating series are bounded.
This is because $\sum (-1)^n n^{-1/2}$ is convergent.
i don't think it has a nice closed form, alex.
you really don't have to find that limit, alex.
19:51
Well, so we can use partial summation to get an estimate of Cauchy sum and then use Cauchy criterio. With $a_{n}=\frac{(-1)^{n}}{\sqrt{n}}$, then $\sum_{n\geq 1}a_{n}$ converge, then $\sum_{n\geq 1}a_{n}x^{n}$ converge uniformly. But can we find the limit function $f$ for the pointwise convergence?
Than koro and leslie, I had completely forgotten that the convergence for the coefficients $a_{n}$ of $x^n$ were enough to ensure the convergence of the series.
20:41
not really a dump & get answer chat room...
@Alex Huh?
@TedShifrin Hi, I am sorry, I should write: if $\sum a_{n}$ converges, then $\sum a_{n}x^{n}$ converges uniformly on $[0,1]$.
Ah, better.
I do not know if that fact has a name.
Weierstrass M-test is a general version.
20:44
The Koro's theorem so is this version :-)
Doesn't Weierstrass imply that the $a_n \ge 0$?
Oh, you’re right. Not imply, but requires absolute convergence.
Abel’s Thm deals with the function defined by the series at the endpoint of interval of convergence.
Badly worded on my part.
It’s just gonna be the Cauchy criterion on the partial sums. No name.
Maybe it should be named the $m$-test, as in lower case. (Not serious!)
20:56
@copper.hat :-)
what if we have another lower case? so $m_{2}$-test?
nice
I take it back. Probably need summation by parts, like for Abel.
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