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1:00 AM
I need help coming up with a project name
It's a Gamification of Arrow Maths Engine, but that just spells GAME as an acronyn, but I want to go deeper than that
 
@PenAndPaperMathematics How about GAMMA for gamification of arrow mathematical Ma and engine ???
 
Paper"Ma"
 
Sry, it is really bad...
 
1:12 AM
$\Gamma A$
$A\xrightarrow{G}B$
RollUpAndSmokeAdjointGames
Leaky Nun, you seem to be gifted at naming
With your av
 
 
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3:31 AM
@Astyx Whaddup fam
 
3:44 AM
Is it possible to write the Pythagorus Theorem $a^2 + b^2 = c^2$ in terms of the gamma function?
 
@TedShifrin Hello Ted
 
 
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6:22 AM
Hi @Jack
 
 
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8:04 AM
when we do substitution of variables in a double integral, we introduce mod of Jacobian determinant. Suppose that we are changing coordinates from (x,y) to (u,v) then what determines the order of integration in (u,v)?
Suppose that we do a substitution $xy=u$ and $y/x=v$. The region in x-y was given as bounded by the hyperbolas $xy=1$ and $xy=9$ and the lines $y=x$ and $y=9x$. Then I believe that $\int \int dx dy= \int_{v=1}^{v=9}\int_{u=1}^{u=9} |J|du dv$
But why are u-limits on RHS not like $\int _{u=9}^{u=1}$?
 
8:49 AM
@Koro the order doesn't matter
and this has nothing to do with substitutions
you can already change the order in a double integral
 
dtn
Hello everyone. Please guide me on two questions.
1. I have a polynomial.

$p=a_3x^3+a_2x^2+a_1x+a_0$

where:

$a_0=x+y,a_1=x^2+y^2,a_2=xy+x^2,a_3=x^2-y^2$

$-1<x<1,-2<y<2$

Calculate the range of parameter $x$ such that polynomial $p$ has only real solutions for any value of $y$ in the specified range $-2<y<2$.
How are such tasks solved?
 
@LeakyNun but $\int_{u=9}^1$ is negative of$ \int_{u=1}^9$.
 
oh hmm
 
dtn
2. There is an arbitrary function of 4 variables $f(u,v,w,x)$ and:

$u∈[-2\pi,2\pi]$

$v∈[-2\pi,2\pi]$

$w∈[-2\pi,2\pi]$

From these ranges, an arbitrary combination of $uvw$ is taken, and this combination is then substituted into the function $f$, and then $x$ is searched for such that $f$ has a real solution. Thus, we study the space of real solutions of the function $f$. How to generate triples in such a way that the sample of these triples has a minimum size, but at the same time covers the specified ranges of $f$ as widely as possible?
 
@Koro then i think it has to be from smaller to larger lol
whatever that makes the integral of $1$ positive
if it works for the constant function $1$ then it works for everything
 
9:02 AM
@LeakyNun it seems intuitive but I was concerned what would happen if the integration limits were not constant.
 
one will still be smaller
 
9:50 AM
@LeakyNun why is it so? :(
 
@Koro because you're only concerned with sign error right
so you can test the sign using $1$
 
10:20 AM
But result for constant function 1 may not hold in general for $\int\int f(x,y) dx dy$. :(
Suppose we change it to u, v: $\int\int F(u,v) |J| dudv $, then we won’t know limits of integration on the latter on the basis of knowing them in case of constant function.
Ah, I think, I got what you’re saying.
We are only finding limits of integration which is same as saying that we are doing something on ‘region of integration’.
And the region of integration has nothing to do with the integrand.
So if some sign convention holds for the constant function, it does for any function f as well.
That clears my confusion.
Thanks a lot @LeakyNun.
 
exactly
 
10:56 AM
I'm trying to find a solution to $x' = a(t)x +g(t)$ with initial condition $x(t_0) = x_0$
The problem recommends I use the ansatz $\lambda (t) = c(t)exp(\int_{t_0}^{t}a(s) ds)$ and then find a differential equation for $c$
When I sub in my ansatz and evaluate I get $c' =g(t)exp(-\int_{t_0}^{t}a(s) ds)$, how would I even go about evaluating this?
 
@Govind75 you don't
 
How would I show my ansatz is a solution?
 
you show that it satisfies the equation 🙃
 
I show $c$ satisfies it?
 
no, $\lambda$
the ansatz is not just "$\lambda = ...$"
the ansatz is claiming that such $\lambda$ is a solution
 
11:08 AM
So to show that $\lambda$ is in fact a solution I have to show it satisfies the IVP above
But this then gives me a differential equation for $c$
 
yeah but then you can "solve" for $c$ by just integrating the thing
 
So if I let $c$ be the solution to that DE then $\lambda$ is a solution?
 
yeah
 
So I just leave $c$ as a massive integral thing lol
 
yes
 
11:10 AM
I see, that makes sense - i guess im not used to dealing with things so generally
 
@Govind75 welcome to mathematics 🙂
theorems are generalizations of examples
 
Makes sense
 
I never heard about the term ‘ansatz’ before.
Today is my first time looking at the term ‘ansatz’.
 
How would I show uniqueness of the solution
I tried to expand $\frac{d}{dt}[\lambda (t) \mu (t)]$
Where $\mu$ is another solution to the equation
to show it is just another $\lambda$
 
11:28 AM
Can you show that the IVP $y’=a(t) y, y(t_0)=0$ has a unique solution? Here, a is a continuous function.
 
 
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1:51 PM
I heard of the term ansatz but I'm not going to use it.
 
2:45 PM
ansatz basically means a guess at a particular integral
as far as i know
 
@Govind75 Do you see how my last comment answers your question?
 
3:22 PM
@Govind75 uniqueness of IVP is a very general theorem
(Picard’s Existence and Uniqueness Theorem)
@Govind75 Ansatz is a German word meaning "beginning" and is cognate with English "onset"; but mathematically it means an initial hypothesis/assumption
 
4:02 PM
I am stuck on the last part.
I suspect that the cubic in part (ii) can be transformed onto the last one
But I cannot see what transformation to apply
 
@LearningCHelpMeV2 what would the transformation look like?
 
If I have a (probability) measure space $(X, \mu)$ (I guess the measure space comes from a topology on $X$), and $Y \subseteq X$, what are Borel subsets of $Y$? Are they simply sets of the form $Y \cap B$, where $B$ is a Borel subset of $X$?
 
@user193319 I would assume so
 
user: that is the usual construction.
whether or not the sigma-algebra comes from a topology.
 
That's what I suspected. I guess one way of thinking about this is to take subspace topology of $Y$ and form the Borel $\sigma$-algebra associated to the subspace topology. This should give the same exact thing.
@leslietownes But does the notion of a Borel set make sense without an underlying topology?
 
4:08 PM
it should, and does.
not as far as i know. if you think of borel sets as just random elements of a sigma algebra then the generalization would be a sigma-algebra that might not arise from a topology.
 
@user193319 let's just be warned that conditional probability can get... very messy
 
that is an understatement.
 
🙃
 
Lol okay...Yeah, that concept shouldn't really come up. I'm only thinking about probability measure spaces in connection with (abelian) von Neumann algebras, because I am trying to understand the crossed product construction.
 
a lot of the measure theory goes away if you are working with a finite group, but presumably that isn't interesting.
today's wordle made me want to punch a wall. i still got it.
 
4:19 PM
@LeakyNun not really relevant here.
 
koro how are you doing today? i feel about 80% normal.
 
This is because picard's theorem guarantees existence of a solution in an interval around $t_0$ (initial point). But for an order 1 linear ode, we get uniqueness and existence for the entire interval where all coefficients are continuous.
@leslietownes thanks. I feel much better. Everything salty is tasting too much salty. And hot water and ginger tea taste just fine.
 
picard's theorem is one of those things that is so variously stated that it might as well be "gauss's theorem," in terms of vagueness. although leaky did include a specific result.
i am also using ginger tea.
 
even butter with bread is tasting very salty. But that's probably due to my taste misbalance due to aftermath of fever.
 
my sense of taste appears to be fine, i just don't want to eat.
my daughter was funny last night. when going to bed she said "do i have covid?" we haven't talked about this at home. i said, maybe. she said "i don't have covid, i have the coronavirus in my mouth." ... OK.
 
4:24 PM
I also think that the way testing was done (in sunlight), anyone would test positive. (The result came out in about 20 mins).
 
the lateral flow tests are not very reliable, assuming you get a good swab, which usually you don't. false positives are rarer than false negatives, though, i think.
we had a client who wanted to sue someone with a patent that they were interpreting broadly enough to cover lateral flow tests. i pointed out, home pregnancy tests were doing exactly this for about two decades before your patent, which could be a problem. a bit of silence after that.
 
the swab does bring tears in eyes.
Oh, then the client didn't sue?
of course not.
 
they didn't. they really wanted to. it was awkward. ordinarily people at my level of seniority don't say these things directly to the client, but i was being pushed.
so i said, explain to me how what you just said is any different from a home pregnancy test.
they gave up.
 
what if they went to another law firm?
 
that's the concern. there is a tension between adjusting to reality, and being a good advisor, and "keeping the customer satisfied."
they ended up suing someone who made a much newer test. :)
 
4:31 PM
may be it was their yearly target to be met -you must sue at least one this year.
 
you can find a law firm to say almost anything, although i think you would be laughed out of any court for asserting a patent supposedly covering all lateral flow antibody/hormone tests.
koro that was exactly it. the patent was owned by an investment entity and they needed to do something to hit some target.
their investors were patient, but getting nervous. they wanted to see some result.
a lot of dumb lawsuits are explained that way.
 
I don't know about this-does income from suing (if there is any income at all) appear in balance sheet (audited) of the suing firm?
 
in the US, how and when it appears depends on the agreement between the client and the firm. things are very flexible.
we've done some work where we aren't paid until maybe a year or two after a 'win' in court. and other work we are paid on a monthly basis irrespective of outcome.
some of the agreements we do in the US would be illegal in other countries, or would have been illegal in the US in the past. it is regarded as unseemly for lawyers to own a stake in the outcome of a case.
but it's perfectly fine in the US.
 
because I think that if such firm is listed on Nasdaq (in your case), then looking at their balance sheet and seeing that their income from non-operational sources is increasing would discourage people from investing in their stocks.
 
oh, i don't think a law firm could be publicly owned in the US. that is probably still illegal.
there are publicly traded law firms in other countries.
 
4:37 PM
no, I am not talking about law firm. I mean the firms which are suing other firms because they want to "meet target".
 
oh, unless we're talking about the client and not the law firm. this client was not publicly traded. their investors were a handful of people personally known by the founder.
 
ah, I see.
 
'closely held' companies are more likely to be dumb in court than publicly traded ones. because their decisionmaking boils down to whatever pleases a small group of people, with little repercussions if there is mismanagement.
something you see a lot in the US is investment groups populated by high-income people such as medical doctors or dentists, making very bad decisions, because dentists don't know much of anything other than dentistry. then they sue each other and lose.
mostly because the vast majority of corporate law cases concern publicly traded companies where it is assumed that investors are essentially gambling and nothing short of gross negligence will be a problem.
even if your dentist friend used the wrong contractor.
my dad's cousin is a medical doctor. i gave him free legal advice: do not invest with your doctor friends in whatever it is they are planning to do. he thanked me later.
 
undermathuate will now report on their newest lucubrations.
 
4:44 PM
Coding theory, man
I have an assignment due on Thursday. I was stuck for hours yesterday because I was asked to solve for a term that had not been defined in class. I tried Google, but kept getting inconclusive answers. It turns out the definition was in the readings assigned for today...
So that was fun.
 
some instructors are less conscientious than ted is about introducing material before asking about it.
 
Yeah, this one and my stats class. ;-;
Diff Eq has been pretty chill so far
 
i hated that class.
 
This seems to be the general consensus regarding differential equations.
At least at the introductory level.
 
it's a very interesting subject, but the intro class, yeah.
here's this one thing. now here's this unrelated thing. now fourier series for about five seconds. now something else.
garbage as f---.
 
4:51 PM
That's pretty much how class was today XD
 
the professor who taught us DE at college has now posted his video lectures online also.
 
The instructor kept showing us applications of Diff Eq's, but then saying "Sadly, we won't cover this in this course."
 
i think it comes at a weird point in the curriculum. you can't assume much about what people have already seen, other than calculus. so the connections are hard to make.
and if you do have linear algebra it's finite dimensional linear algebra which differential equations are mostly not about.
so you get a grab bag of topics.
 
Yep, I asked my professor about this as well. He was describing a solution set to an equation and said it's basically an infinite-dimensional span. Way beyond what we did in intro LA.
(That description may or may not be accurate. He used some fancy terminology.)
 
5:06 PM
@LearningCHelpMeV2 Here's a hint: Note that the roots of $x^3-3x-2\cos 3\alpha=0$ are twice of roots of $4x^3-3x-\cos 3\alpha=0$. Using this hint, you can even generalise $(iii)$.
I want to integrate $\int\int_S e^{\frac x{x+y}}dx dy$, where $S=\{(x,y): x\ge 0, y\ge 0, x+y\le 1\}$.
The solution given involves substituting $u=x+y, y=uv$. But I think that's not correct because the transformation mapping is not one one.
 
Anyone want to ask me something about Coding Theory? :D
 
5:43 PM
@Koro Ohhh, thanks koro!
 
Hi everyone.What main topics you recommend to review before taking undergraduate differential geometry(introduction).
 
5:54 PM
Quick question. Does this pattern look familiar to anyone? I could swear I've seen it somewhere. A type of tree structure. desmos.com/calculator/dquroyjauz
According to OEIS, searching the sequence 1,3,7,15,7,3,1 gives one result: symmetrical triangle sequence oeis.org/A143086
What tree has these for nodes?
 
The answer here seems so wrong.
 
6:14 PM
Infinite-dimensional span sounds wrong. Finite-dimensional subspace of an infinite-dimensional vector space is more likely. @Under
@unit1991 Linear algebra (including eigenvectors and eigenvalues) and basics of single- and multivariable calculus. What text is being used?
 
@TedShifrin Thank you for reply. I don't know what text will be used but I think it will be again my lecturer notes(in Armenian). And what I need from geometry(euclidean,3d,analytic)?
 
Not much specifically about geometry, other than things that show up in linear algebra (lots with dot products). You can look at my differential geometry text (linked on my profile) and see what's in there.
 
@TedShifrin Thank you will take a look at it.
 
Does anyone know this result: the Gauss-Lucas theorem also holds for functions of the form $p(x)e^{ax+bx^2}$ where $p$ is a polynomial? More generally for functions of the form $p(x)e^{g(x)}$ where $g$ is a function whose derivative preserves the arguments of the input in a certain way
 
@Koro First of all, you can just see which function solves the ODE. But it looks like the OP didn't do the computation correctly. But I think the guy you're arguing is right that this has nothing to do with reduction of order.
@Derivative What is the Gauss-Lucas theorem?
 
6:25 PM
yeah, I misunderstood that.
 
the convex hull of the roots of a polynomial contain the roots of its derivative
 
@Koro If you restrict the domain appropriately, the mapping is certainly one-to-one.
Ah, OK, @Derivative. No, I haven't seen generalizations of it.
Just look at the usual proof and see how it applies to these other functions. The exponential will factor out, so it's only going to depend on the derivative of the argument of the exponential.
 
hmmm I did find this result a little interesting
yes exactly, the proof is almost the same
oh, but you need to append a root at $-\infty$, that is, negative real infinity
 
@TedShifrin Aaah, OK. Yeah, that's probably what he was getting at.
 
6:46 PM
This is sure amusing :P
 
So continued fraction of $e$ is $[2; 1, 2, 1, 1, 4, 1, 1, 6, 1, ...]$
am I understanding the pattern right that the even numbers have spaces of length $2$ between them?
I mean, $2k, 1, 1, 2(k+1)$ like that
 
No clue. Maybe @PM2Ring will help.
 
7:02 PM
https://topologicalmusings.wordpress.com/2008/08/04/continued-fraction-for-e/
Yes, it's as I wrote, I found confirmation here
 
whenever i read the phrase 'quadratic surds' i feel i am in a period drama.
 
don't be absurd.
 
surds make me think of some sort of unappetising dessert
 
@Koro how do I restrict domain here so that the mapping $u=x+y, y=uv$ becomes one -one?
 
But if you eat too much dessert, then you won't have any abs to go with your surd.
(I know... it is a reach. B- pun, at best.)
 
7:10 PM
that would be $| \text{surd}|$.
 
Hey copper!!
 
@Koro Oh, you're right. Because the region is symmetric about $y=x$ you cannot. Stupid change of variables. Just use a linear one instead. $u=x+y$, $v=x-y$. Much easier anyhow.
Stupid "solution."
@copper.hat You're thinking of curds and whey, of course.
Oy whey.
 
:-)
 
Alright, let's do that: Jacobian determinant J should be $1/2$ so $|J|=1/2$.
$x=0$ gets mapped onto $u=-v$, $y=0$ gets mapped to $u=v$ and $x+y=1$ gets mapped to $u=1$. We have a triangular region in $uv$ plane
 
Which is really not easier than the original triangle. The only gain is that we don't have a horrible denominator in our integrand.
 
7:20 PM
But that creates problem later on $e^{\frac {x}{x+y}}$ becomes $e^{\frac{u+v}{2u}}$, which has no cure.
 
Oh, I missed the exponential.
Well, if you do that integral in the right order it should be OK.
Notice this is $e^{1/2} e^{v/2u}$. So think about order of integration.
 
Ted, u in denominator of power of e still will create problem I think.
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A: Show that $\int^1_0 \int^{1-x}_0e^\frac{y}{x+y}dy\,dx=\frac{e-1}{2}$

userSince on $x-y$ plane $x+y=k$ represents a line parallel to the line $y=-x$ we have that $u=x+y \implies 0\le u\le 1$ then for any $u$ we have $0\le y\le u\implies 0\le v\le 1$

 
Not if you integrate $dv$ first.
 
I dropped a comment here. I am expecting a reply.
 
What are the limits when you set up the integral $dv\,du$?
This is a standard double integral issue. Fubini's theorem is useful.
 
7:24 PM
$\int_{u=0}^{u=1}\int_{v=-u}^{v=u}()dvdu$
 
Yup. So do the integral.
 
Ah
I got it :)
u in denominator cancels.
 
Every exam on multiple integrals I had a problem which screamed "change the order of integration," and I told my students every year to look for it.
 
:-)
 
I got a very basic linear algebra question. This is regarding transversality condition in Guillieum/Pollack (p28). It says in my book that "But dg: Ty(Y) -> R is surjective linear map whose kernel is Ty(Z). Thus dg carries a subspace of Ty(Y) onto R^l precisely if that subspace and T_y(Z) span all of Ty(Y)". Why does it and T_y(Z) have anything to do with dg already being a surjective map? If dg is already a surjective map, isn't it already going to carry that subspace onto R^l?
 
7:27 PM
This is not precalc. This is linear algebra.
So you have a typo in what you typed?
 
dg: Ty(Y) \to R^l
I can't edit it anymore
actually let me just paste the paragraph
 
Yes, but any supplement (maybe complement in english?) of the kernel is sent isomorphically on the image (which is all of $R^I$ here)
 
 
It's better to remove all the calculus and make it just linear algebra.
 
I literally relabel everything and that still isn't making sense to me.
 
7:31 PM
Do you know about quotient spaces?
Guillemin and Pollack don't use that language, but if you know it it helps.
 
@Astyx so what is the problem?
@TedShifrin yeah let's try that
 
Ted, I really like how you are smiling in your video lectures. I find that very encouraging. :)
 
So if $T\colon V\to W$, then $\text{image}(T) \cong V/\ker(T)$.
Now take an arbitrary subspace $Z\subset V$. What do you learn?
 
how do Guillemin/Pollack want me to understand it? Maybe it's more importan to try that instead...'
 
So you have a surjective map $L:E\to V$. You know its kernel $U\subset E$. Let $V\subset E$ be a subspace. On what condition is the restriction of $L$ to $V$ surjective?
 
7:33 PM
No, it's not more important. It's the same argument, just a question of language.
anyhow, I'll let Astyx take over.
 
@Astyx no it's not any map, they say it is a surjective map.
 
@TedShifrin I don't mean to push you away :)
 
L is surjective here, it's what they say
 
You want to understand surjectivity if and only if ... something else.
 
I thought I wrote that, my bad
Do you understand the linear algebra now @Hawk?
 
7:35 PM
@Astyx hang on, do you mean something else like $W \susbet E$?
Because you used V twice.
 
@Koro Sometimes :) ... Most of the time, I really enjoyed my students!
 
Ah damn, let me rewrite that entirely
So you have a surjective map $L:E\to F$. You know its kernel $U\subset E$. Let $V\subset E$ be a subspace. On what condition is the restriction of $L$ to $V$ surjective?
Sorry about that
 
Exercise for Hawk when everything's done: Suppose $S\colon U\to V$, $T\colon V\to W$ are linear maps. Then $T\circ S$ is surjective $\iff \text{image}(S)+\ker(T) = V$.
 
@Astyx does L being a surjective map not mean it carries the subspaces onto its image?
 
it means that its image is the whole codomain
 
7:42 PM
What does "carries the subspaces onto its image" mean in mathematical terms?
 
Take the identity on $\mathbb R^2$. it's surjective. But its restriction on the x-axis is a map $\mathbb R \to\mathbb R^2$ which is not surjective
 
I'm trying to solve the general DE $x' = a(t)x +g(t)$ w/ initial condition $x(t_0) = x_0$, the question recommended using ansatz $\lambda (t) = c(t) e^{\int_{t_0}^{t}a(s) ds}$. I've obtained my solution (very general), but I am trying to prove uniqueness. The lecturer suggested to examine $\frac{d}{dt}[\frac{\mu (t)}{\lambda (t)}]$ for another solution $\mu (t)$ to show we get $\lambda (t) = \mu (t)$ but I am struggling so heavily with it
 
@TedShifrin thanks a lot professor Ted. I completed my solution and it also matches with the answer in the book. I think I should write to the author of the book about justifying the weird substitution (espacially its one-oneness). I have taken some classes from the author so I can contact him. :)
 
@Govind75 what do you get when you compute this derivative?
 
@Astyx Thank you for that counterexample.
I thinking this whole issue is a disguised rank-nullity problem.
 
7:46 PM
@Hawk: A linear map cannot be surjective if the domain has dimension less than the range.
 
The easiest expression I get is $\frac{g(t)[\lambda (t) - \mu (t)]}{(\lambda (t))^2}$
 
@Hawk: Work the exercise I put above.
If you know nullity rank in terms of quotients, you can use that.
If you don't, don't.
 
I can sub in for $\lambda (t)$ and $g(t) = c'(t) E$ where $E$ is that big exponential
 
@TedShifrin and @leslietownes I passed my complex prelim. Thank you two for help you've provided over the past couple months I've been studying for it!
 
@Govind75 I tried to give you the solution twice but you responded to none.
 
7:48 PM
Congrats, @user193319.
 
user: thank you, i take full credit for your accomplishments.
 
I wasn't able to understand why it helped though
 
Do you want to only use the method the lecturer suggested or any other way is also allowed?
 
He says to use that method
Well I'd prefer to use that method
 
@leslietownes lol as you should; you were very helpful!
 
7:50 PM
One first step is solving that specific example: on which subspaces of $\mathbb R^2$ is the restriction of the identity still surjective? Second step is to understand the problem when the map is any isomorphism. Last step is the general case.
 
Okay then. Mine doesn't use that. :)
 
1
Q: Two compatible charts in Euclidean space

monoidaltransformProblem: Let $M\subseteq \mathbb{R}^3$ be a smooth surface. If $p\in M$ and $(U,x^1,x^2,x^3)$ is a chart in $\mathbb{R}^3$ about $p$ for which $x^{3}(p)=0\iff p \in U\cap S$ then $(U,x,y,z)$ is a chart for which $p\in U\cap S$ iff $z(p)=0$ My attempt: Let $p\in M$. Choose a chart $(U,\phi)=(U,x^...

 
user: if you look at the full record you will probably find that ted was more helpful. i mostly come here to goof off.
 
Well, Ted is generally more stubborn about giving just hints :P
 
my daughter was yelling about how she has the coronavirus this morning. she means she has this rubber ball with protrusions that resemble how the virus is depicted. i regret calling her toy that and told her not to say that school.
 
7:53 PM
Yes, you really should learn to think before you speak in front of munchkin.
 
ted: someone should have told me this a few years ago. where is the manual for parenting? this was unexpected and unpredictable.
 
Does that method even work ?
 
rolls $\pi^{7e/6}$ eyes
 
fun fact: this number is rational
 
@monoidal I don't understand your question. It seems nothing but changing notation from $x_1,x_2,x_3$ to $x,y,z$. What's going on?
@Astyx rolls $\sqrt5+\sqrt7$ more eyes
 
7:56 PM
Ha! Still algebraic!!
 
@Govind75 the one that I was suggesting?
 
I have no clue if the first one actually is rational, probably not
 
Nah the one I was told to use @Koro
 
@TedShifrin $(x^1,x^2,x^3)=(x\circ \phi,y\circ \phi,\z\circ \phi)$ for some diffeomorphism $\phi: U\rightarrow \phi(U)$
 
Probably ... :D
 
7:56 PM
well $e^{\ln 2}$ is rational
 
@Govind75 What happens if you look at $\mu-\lambda$ ?
it works but not in the way you think it does
 
@Govind75 i haven't checked that.
 
$$\Bbb Z_p = \varprojlim (\Bbb Z \div p^n \Bbb Z)$$
 
basically, $(U,x^1,x^2,x^3)$ is a chart in $\mathbb{R}^3$
 
Ill have a look
cheers @Astyx
 
7:58 PM
and $(U,x,y,z)$ is the chart where the coordinates are obtained by restricting the identity to $U$
 
First of all, @monoidal, you really should have not just $p$ but all of $M\cap U$ satisfy $x^3=0$. Second of all, are you telling me that $x,y,z$ is the standard coordinate system on $\Bbb R^3$? Of course not. So I continue not to understand the point.
Well, if that's what it means, it's just wrong.
Take any surface that is not contained in $z=0$.
I think you're misunderstanding something.
@LeakyNun Showing off the $\div$ sign?
 
@TedShifrin I've been told (in a paper by Brian Conrad) that every complex abelian variety is isogenous to a principally polarized one and that this can be proved "complex multi-linear algebraically" using Pfaffians; would you know about those?
 
well $\mu (t) - \lambda (t) = \int_{t_0}^{t}a(s) [\mu(s) -\lambda (s)] ds$
 
Does it satisfy a differential equation?
 
Yeah it satisfies the one above without the initial condition
 
8:02 PM
Pfaffians are exterior algebra or old name for differential forms ... but I guess the whole point is that it's an abelian variety, not just any old torus. I haven't thought about this stuff in many years.
 
oh
do I get the constant solution
 
what do you mean by that?
 
@TedShifrin should i translate the statement to linear algebra for you?
 
For an autonomous differential equation there is a constant solution which is the initial condition
 
My brain is only 1/4 working, but go ahead. I have to leave soon, though.
 
8:05 PM
Agh but it isnt autonomous
 
what is the differential equation?
 
$x' = a(t) x +g(t)$
 
the one satisfied by $\mu-\lambda$
 
If you're going to write $a(t)$ and $g(t)$, then write $x(t)$ and $x'(t)$.
 
@TedShifrin Let Λ be a full lattice in V = C^g with a Hermitian form H on V, such that for any λ1 and λ2 in Λ, H(λ1, λ2) has integral imaginary part. Let Λ' = { v in V | im H(v, Λ) ⊆ Z }, so naturally Λ ⊆ Λ', and the statement is that [Λ' : Λ] is a square (I suspect there is a stronger statement)
 
8:11 PM
Say I have a probability space $(\Omega, \mathcal{A}, \mathbb{P})$ and a random variable $X \colon \Omega \to \mathbb{R}$. Can anyone recommend some consistent notation for the induced probability distribution $\colon X(\Omega) \to [0,1]$, pmf of $X$, pdf of $X$ and cumulative distribution function of $X$?
 
I get that it satisfies it without the constant
 
(I keep seeing different notation for all these things and it's becoming quite annoying)
 
$(\mu(t) - \lambda(t))' = a(t)[\mu(t) - \lambda(t)]$, right?
 
yes
what if you take the quotient of two solutions of this DE?
 
@Leaky Looks like number theory :) ... Is $H$ positive-definite?
 
8:14 PM
@TedShifrin oh, yeah, forgot to mention that
 
So let's diagonalize it. Why does Conrad say Pfaffians are involved? I wonder what that means to him.
 
I dont know
 
I'm struggling to understand why $\mu (t) - \lambda (t)$ satisfied that DE, surely I am missing out a $g(t)$?
Unless it's $0$
 
@TedShifrin it's Lemma 3.1 on P.8
 
So have you tried it with the identity?
 
8:17 PM
But that would mean that $\mu (t) = \lambda (t)$
 
Oh, that Pfaffian. Duh. For a skew-symmetric matrix $A$, $\text{Pf}(A)^2 = \det A$.
 
oh?
 
Fundamental invariant theory.
 
the DE you're trying to solve is not linear because there is a constant term, $g(t)$. The difference between solutions of the DE with a constant term, however, satisfies the homogeneized system (the same DE without the constant term)
 
This is where Gauss Bonnet comes from :)
 
8:19 PM
and linear systems are well understood
 
It's basically "block-diagonalizing" to get $\left[\begin{matrix} 0 & \lambda \\ -\lambda & 0 \end{matrix}\right]$. So $\det = \lambda^2$ and $\text{Pf} = \lambda$.
 
So if they satisfy the homogenous system, how would I go about showing they are equal.
 
that comes later
now if you have two solutions f and g that satisfy the homogeneous system, what can you say about their quotient?
 
Derivative of quotient is $0$?
 
ok
what does that imply?
 
8:28 PM
f/g is a constant
 
great
 
wait so I need to modify $\lambda$ and $\mu$ so they satsify the homogenous DE?
 
no, now you need to use the remaining info
 
Or find another solution to the homogenous ODE
Aight, gimme a moment
Wait so if I have $\frac{\mu(t) - \lambda (t)}{x(t)} = C$, then I use initial condition to find C, but that's just $0$, I get $\mu(t) = \lambda(t)$??
Is that right?
 
focus on the homogeneous DE first
 
8:37 PM
where $x(t)$ is another solution to the DE?
The solution to the homogenous DE is $x(t) = e^{(\int{a(t) dt})}$
 
you have to be careful about not dividing by zero
 
Ah yeah
 
@Astyx Lies. I divide by zero all the time. In fact, I am dividing by zero right now!
 
but I think you have the main idea now, all you need to do is write out everything cleanly
 
Tysm
 
8:40 PM
@XanderHenderson I didn't say you couldn't, I said you have to be careful about it. I hope you are not dividing by zero carelessly!
 
I just gotta show that $x(t_0) \neq 0$ ?
 
I'd work only with the differential equation first
 
@Astyx The way Xander gets reasonable grades for his students is to divide by zero incessantly.
 
@Astyx I divide by zero with reckless abandon!
@TedShifrin Infinity three minus is a totally reasonable grade, I think.
 
I'm not quite sure what to do from there...
nvm
 
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