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05:00
don't usually have two biggish cycles in a row
but spectacular views
Wow, you went all the way across the Richmond bridge?
noooo, started at mill valley.
from volmer yesterday: imgur.com/a/LiJet6Z
great view. there were some hills behind my house growing up where, on a clear night, you could see SF.
Ohh, cheater. :)
getting old!
i drove to berkeley trader joes today, realised when i arrived that i had left my wallet at home. senior moment.
so i added a card to google pay, despite pledging to never do so.
05:04
my wife was so excited when trader joes announced they would be opening a rockridge location. then she realized it was timed so that she would be moving out the month they opened.
bummer
i'm not saying they specifically did it to spite her, but we haven't been back.
:-). one refrigerator in the el cerrito tjs went down a few days ago and the stock severly limited. hence the trip to bezerkeley
i am a tjs fan.
cheap, reasonable quality, helpful staff
we go to the one here in long beach somewhat regularly. it is next to bevmo and two of our takeout standbys.
I saw a problem yesterday about determining the time when a person died.
05:07
and a trip to kensington ace to replenish my supply of rat traps. wintertime always comes with some incursions
morbid
i just had a discussion with my daughter. she demanded to sleep in my bed instead of her own bed. the heat came on. the house began to creak. she asked what the noise was. i said, heat makes things expand, and when they expand they sometimes make noise as they push against other things. she said, i'm scared and i want to go back to my room.
where the laws of thermodynamics presumably do not apply, or at least the sounds are more familiar.
:-).
flank steak & scalloped potatoes for eats tonight
we had a funny moment earlier, watching on the baby monitor. we could not see the cat although we understood her to be in the room. we panned the camera over, almost to the wall, and saw the cat - sitting right in front of the monitor, staring at it. she can hear us move it.
simple but tasty
she's so dark that she shows up as black even in the night mode where most of the stuff in the room is a dull green.
05:09
i have a camera trained on a spot in the garage where some form of vermin (presumably) sets off a trap regularly.
or ghosts
cats are spooky
The statement was something like this: A dead body is found in a hotel room (which has fixed room temperature of 38 degree Celsius). Suppose that the temperature of the body was reported as $37$ degree Celsius. After 2 hrs later, the body temperature dropped to some 20 degree Celsius. What is actual time of the death?
my mom believes in ghosts. she was a nurse for about 30 years, usually working the graveyard shift. lots of opportunities to hear and see things. she claims to have both heard and seen ghosts.
i had a feeling newton's law was around the corner.
yeah, you're right.
05:11
hmm.
Newton's law of Cooling
presumably some exponential somewhere
they should do something about that hotel room. it sounds like it needs air conditioning.
I thought I should watch video lectures of the professor who taught me ODE at college. So he was giving that example in the video. :)
how can the body get cooler than the room???
05:13
he swallowed a lot of ice cubes.
it's a riddle. he was found in an icy puddle in a hotel room at 38C.
what happened?
I may have messed up the temperature measurements above.
hopefully you are not making actual measurements...
I just wanted to share the problem. This was introduced in examples on 'motivation to the ODE'.
those problems do obscure an interesting technical point, which is, do any of the usual calc 1 models provide any insight under the kinds of uncertainties and tolerances that you see in real life, or does a body equilibrate to room temperature quickly enough that nobody gets their calculator out if they show up a little later.
i expect the latter.
different parts of the body will cool differently
05:15
and who has a thermometer when they arrive on the scene?
my friend found a body once. it was room temp.
exergen ad here
But I never knew until yesterday that Newton's law of Cooling is used in finding the 'estimate" time of death.
koro, this is my question, really. in principle it is possible. in practice - is it really?
I'm happy to know that :)
i wonder if it's empirically useful, or if it's like those calc 1 problems that say, how much polonium is left after x hours and the number you work out for the mass is smaller than the mass of one atom.
05:18
i suspect there are too many factors to be useful.
May be it is useful in finding an 'estimate' time not the actual time?
anyway, until i hear otherwise, i'm leaving my victims on top of warm HVAC units
clothing, not all of the body stops at the same time, room temperature varies
what an uplifting convo
I think that's why in some of the problem statements on this, the body is found in a refrigerator (to keep temperature uniform).
no, there's no time for the refrigerator. get in and get out.
amateur mistake.
05:20
38ºC room temperature? That's like being in an oven. Screwed up number.
best to bring a few pigs with you
ted "mr. continental" shifrin can read celsius without doing equations. he just knows that it's off.
i use rankine myself
Well, oven is an exaggeration, but ... 40ºC = 104ºF
body temp is 37c which is pretty warm
05:22
If the room is really that temperature, the body ain't coolin'.
I messed up the temp. measurements like I said.
The coroner had a trick death.
I confused body temp. with room temp.
37c vc 38c easy to do
Well, I stoopidly sliced off the tip of a finger whilst chopping vegetables for my bolognese sauce. Gives whole new meaning to bloody sauce.
(British humour)
05:25
reminds me of a joke
involving a leper and a lady of the night
you can dress him up...
that joke doesn't make sense. you wouldn't say what he says. the thing is a thing that is kept by definition.
i hope your finger has recovered Ted
you can keep the tip
i trimmed one of my fingers once during cooking. it grew back.
05:27
It'll take a week to heal, but it's scary how many times in my almost 60 years of cooking I've done this sort of thing to myself.
i put a pitchfork through my foot once
twas but a flesh wound.
i stepped on a nail once, which was not actually that painful. more horrifying (i sometimes have nightmares about it) was when i instinctively pulled my leg up, the board came with it.
I have been to hospital/urgent care twice — once in grad school. My crab soufflé for guests was delayed while I went to have stitches at the Cal infirmary.
I've stepped on a nail, too. Thank goodness for tetanus shots.
We are the walking uncoordinated incompetent.
was this back when it was where haas is now? there used to be an honest to goodness hospital on campus, which was weird, given no med school.
Every college has an infirmary/hospital!
05:29
i have had an encounter with a barbed wire fence when a friend's mother came looking for me and i ran down a field in the dark
cow-hell hospital on campus
Wow, where was it ... I was living on the south side and I drove over there (it was early evening, I think).
were they wanted to give me anti biotics for what they decided was a viral infection.
they were stumped when i asked why
Patients demand antibiotics for sinus infections by the droves every day.
the current one is down bancroft, across from that old track stadium.
Right, Cowell was demolished in 93 and replaced by Haas. I was there in 1978 or so.
Oh, we used to play volleyball on the south side of Bancroft above Oxford.
05:32
girls used to joke about how if you went in there you'd get like 20,000 questions about recent sexual history before they would get to the substance of whatever brought you to the clinic. it's less funny these days.
@copper.hat lol
i presume all responsible have been sued to oblivion.
Heya, a Balarka.
it was my first encounter with usa doctors
Hi @Ted @leslie @copper
05:33
good morning balarka.
i suspect their first encounter with an irishman
Hi @BalarkaSen
Screech just bit me and got off my desk.
Sigh.
people are sooo tolerant of cats
ted i do think screech and olivia are made for each other.
Yeah, I'm afraid so.
05:34
we let our cat sit on the dining room table. my wife and i face each other, and my daughter faces the cat.
So user19..... just posted that same holomorphic function question I told him how to do a week ago.
half an hour and my classes start again online
this time, i can mute it
Balarka, are you not in Campus?
nope, too much covid
Have they sent everyone home?
05:35
$f(0)=f(1/2)=0$, $f\colon\Delta\to\Delta$. Bound $|f'(0)|$.
they haven't sent anyone home, i came back in the winter breaks and the classes are happening offline so i decided to stay back
someone responded to an answer i gave recently saying they didn't think it addressed a key point. then they replied to their own question with a rephrasing of what i had said, and some textbook particulars that were true but not really relevant to the question as stated.
i shrugged and upvoted anyway. this means i'm part of the problem.
technically i could go there if i want to, it'd just be pointless
not that i want to get covid
Why upvote, @leslie? Writing irrelevant crap does not make for good mathematics.
ted, i think they meant to ask a different question. the answer was responsive to a related question.
05:37
None of us does, but it seems more likely that even us triply-vaccinated folks will get some variant of it.
if i kicked off the thought process, i'm OK with someone taking it and using it for what they meant to ask about but did not.
But answering the wrong question doesn't get good marks.
it will become endemic
yeah. no booster for us in this part of the world yet
everyone i know has it at this point, miracle i dont
yeah, that is bad, for purely selfish reasons
i mean the booster/vax
05:38
it tore through my office last week, almost everyone at work has it. this reduced the email hitting my inbox significantly.
You would help the person develop if you suggested he/she add an edit to the question, indicating what he/she meant to ask.
ted: i would, but i don't wanna.
I'm downvoting you.
What's the question? I'll see if I agree.
i just walk away now.
Balarka, what subjects are there in your syllabus?
algebra analysis topology
I see.
the 'functional calculus on two elements' has nothing to do with the stated question.
Oh, is this the operator algebra newbie you were talking about?
@TedShifrin: Seems I finally need to learn some analysis (elliptic operators/index theory)
05:40
no, this is a different one.
I learned some of that a long time ago, Balarka. Atiyah-Singer was not long before my grad student days.
what does strongly continuous mean in the question context?
continuous in the strong operator topology. in which T_n goes to T iff T_n x goes to Tx in norm for each x.
I don't know enough to read that intelligently, @leslie. The least that OP could have done was credit you in his "answer."
ok, as opposed to weak or weak*
05:42
the question has nothing to do with topology, although from their answer i think they were more uncertain about the topological content of the statement than the operator equality they asked about.
@leslie Truly, avoiding mathjax and writing so much makes it harder to read here.
@TedShifrin yeah i guess its relatively recent
What's relatively recent, Balarka?
ASP index theorem
50+ years :)
I'm old.
05:43
i know almost no modern analysis so thats pretty close to recent for me i suppose
If I remember correctly, Patodi was already dead when I was in grad school. I'll check that.
ah yeah he died young
he was from TIFR
Yeah, he died in 76, and I was in school 74-79.
somehow i think of only two things when i see tata
sorry @leslietownes
the other being?
05:46
sigh.
his neck or his back, one presumes.
confusing
theres a pun here prolly but i dont get it
@BalarkaSen it is slang in english
Sigh. Singer died almost a year ago, the day before my birthday. But he had a long and productive life.
if you find yourself asking, has copper's brain made a detour into the gutter, the answer is always yes.
I have to agree with leslie on that. It's sad how much we agree these days.
05:47
ah ok i see
no detour, it resides permanently there
my daughter & a few cousins found a nice place with a view of london where they serve 4 cocktails & two tapas plates for ukp25
my son & some friends were denied entry to a hotel on lake merritt for a room that was paid for because they were under 21
drunk/eaten only whilst masked
i spent considerably more than that last night on a farewell dinner for a work friend. she and her husband really liked to eat.
none of the london ladies are 21 or over
That's not unusual in the US unless one has a credit card, @copper.
05:50
oh, they're not ladies.
they had credit cards
Hmm, interesting.
I know renting cars is an issue under 25, I think ... even with a credit card.
i might refuse them for different reasons, but not age
cars make sense
and it is up front
i had dififculty renting a car once. i was told that i could only rent with a debit card if i lived in the area. by which they meant, if i gave an address in the area. stupid rule.
Well, debit cards are subject to the limit of what money you have in your account.
05:52
if anyone needs me, my name is Leslie Townes and i live at 123 Granny Smith Apple Way, Anytown USA 90210.
I have almost never used my debit card except as an ATM card.
my days of living below the breadline mean my kids are adequately funded
probably a parenting mistake, but there you are
so, @leslie, has your good friend sent an update on whether Joker has been kicked out of Australia? I haven't heard.
joke-o-vich?
ted: i'm still in suspense. i did ask and the last i heard, no final answer.
05:53
aussie rules are a bit odd anyways
full of convicts from some place
and irish
The latest is that he was unmasked and out in public being photographed after he allegedly tested positive in December back home.
copper: surely you've seen twitter.com/paul_mcleod/status/813157094690062336 a holiday tweet for the ages.
I think his behavior has been reprehensible and selfish from the get-go. I don't care if he thinks his body can tell gluten is within inches of it and react.
@leslietownes that is funny. did you watch The Foreigner ?
its pretty good, albeit irish folks don't exactly stand out
But it may be the case that the Australian government changed the rules only recently. Surely the judge will then rule that the spoiled brat should be grandfathered, even though he's endangering zillions of people with his behavior.
05:56
i haven't. i'll look into it.
Only 7/10 on imdb and 66% on Rotten Tomatoes.
i confess that i went to starbucks today
I really am not fond of their coffee. My own espresso will do just fine.
@leslietownes might enjoy it
chai
my wife went there today and brought me back a bagel. their bagels suck. i was just lazy.
it's something of a theme in my life.
06:02
the barista girl told me she loved the colour of my coat
I bought a bag of bagels at Sprouts today. Damn, they're ridiculously expensive now. Almost a dollar a bagel.
Laziness ... yup.
sprouts is expensive
I don't ordinarily find it so. The ethnic markets are cheaper, of course.
I think some prices are just going up precipitously now, including gasoline and a number of food items.
sprouts is very affordable for what i go there for (produce). it's probably a bad place to get toilet paper.
I try to get paper goods at Target, especially on sale.
06:05
i'm still on my mid-2021 tank of gas.
I don't have a family, so I don't bother with Costco.
we do all of our paper and cleaning products at target. a short walk from here.
not a huge fan of costco except for meats.
LOL, crazy. With my 50 miles every Sunday to the farmers market, I last about about 6 weeks between fillups.
and fish
06:06
we do our duck pond trips in my wife's car. that would run the tank down a little bit.
Well, if I splurge, I get meat at Whole Foods, but usually I shop at the halal market because my roommate keeps halal.
Does munchkin refuse to ride in your cheap-ass car?
the last time i cooked with meat i got it all at whole foods. more like whole paycheck, am i right? ha, ha, ha.
she says that my car is 'lower to the ground' than her mother's car.
and i do think it freaks her out a little.
she's right
what do you drive?
All right. I have PT bright and early in the morning. Night, all.
06:08
it's a tiny car but i can't argue with 55 mpg. it is a prius c with the lowest interior trim option, so the seats are not adjustable.
enjoy PT, ted.
yeah, right.
good night, hope your pt goes well
ahh, a prius
say no more
not just a prius but the prius c. it's smaller than the prius.
people hate me. it's so fuel efficient, though.
i have been looking at used focus/fiesta st
the focus was almost getting good and then ford abandoned it.
the car of my dreams is probably a honda civic. it was my first car. i loved it.
06:10
the civic sport almost hits my buttons, but no awd
hondas are just a lot of fun to drive. i love them.
toyotas are not fun at all, but they are fuel efficient.
i learned how to drive in 68 vw beetle, which was also a fun car.
i want the 2022 wrx wagon, but unfortunately is only sold in joke-o-vich land
one of my friends in colorado has a subaru and loves it. i don't think i have ever driven one.
i love my wrx, but since the older gentleman bent the frame in a few places in a rear ender it is not worth refreshing the engine, etc
i wonder if an american company will ever make a car worth driving again.
06:17
geo metro
which is basically what the prius c is trying to be.
i think chevy had a reasonable small car recenty
a friend swears by the bolt but i'm not sure if he still even has it
or if the goons came out of the woodwork and took it away
electric cars are still too 'new' for me
at least to purchase
if someone is paying i want a jaguar e-type
or an aston martin db5
07:11
Given $y'=y^2=f(x,y), y(0)=1$, it is clear that $f$ and $f_y$ are continuous everywhere in $\mathbb R^2$ so there exists a unique solution to the IVP on $(-\infty,\infty)$ but clearly that's not true.
Why is this a violation to $[this] (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_value_problem)$?
koro, stuff like this is very finely tuned to the specific hypotheses of the existence/uniqueness result one has in mind
if it seems like someone is saying 'oh, by the big master theorem, [blah]' without checking hypotheses, it wouldn't surprise me if it is wrong
Why didn't it become hyperlink?
$f(x,y)=y^2$ is continuous on $\mathbb R^2$. And $f_y(x,y)=2y$ is also continuous on $\mathbb R^2$. So the theorem should work right?
i dunno. the link didn't work with me when i tried. stuff about global definition is harder than stuff about local definition, but you only need two distinct solutions (one constant and one nonconstant) to violate local uniqueness.
the ODE itself is translation invariant.
but it would all depend on the precise hypotheses of the theorem in play.
i don't think of problems of this type as particularly amenable to examination outside of a course with a common starting point, for this reason.
maybe there's some standard set of hypotheses you have seen, that 'everybody' knows is the setting for first order ODE. i am not familiar with any.
but it also isn't my field.
The ODE has this solution: $-\frac 1y=x+c\implies -1=c$ (by the IVP). So $y=-\frac 1{x-1}$ which clearly is not defined at $x=-1$.
Leslie: I'll state the hypotheses of the theorem.
ok. it sounds like my cat is vomiting something downstairs (pretty common when she eats a piece of plastic or something else). i will return afterward.
dumb cat.
yes, she's thrown up a piece of plastic that you see in a clothing tag. it must have been something for our daughter.
idiot cat.
07:18
Someone must have thrown plastic on ground.
:(
she's fine, in fact, i think she wants more food.
we did a lot of cleaning up from the christmas holidays today. all of the decorations went away. apparently some clothing tags were left out.
i do love my cat. she is an instagram model.
If $f$ and $f_y$ are continuous in a rectangle containing $(x_0, y_0)$ and $y'=f(x,y), y_0=y(x_0)$. Then, there is an interval containing $x_0$ in which the IVP has a unique solution.
hmm, I realized my error now.
"there is an interval around $x_0$ such that..." is what I overlooked.
Leslie: How many times does the cat eat a day?
Or the food is given to the cat whenever the cat feels hungry?
08:13
Good morning. Consider the linear mapping $L$ we require for the definition of differentiability in multiple dimensions. It is well known that for this mapping "or rather any linear mapping from finite to finite R vector spaces" that it is differentiable with the derivative of it self. I have seen the proof for this very trivial. What is confusing me. From my studies sofar, the only function i learned that is when differentiated gives it self is the exponential function (well the name says it
.. not linear). And if we say that this linear mapping is the derivative for some function $f$ at a point $x_o$ .. so would the second derivative be simply $L'$ .. but as we seen it is the same as $L$..this is confusing me.
08:27
These statements are made in different senses. If you have a differentiable function $f\colon\mathbb{R}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$, the derivative in the sense of single-variable analysis is a function $f^{\prime}\colon\mathbb{R}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$. If you have a differentiable function $f\colon\mathbb{R}^n\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$, the derivative in the sense of multi-variable analysis is a function $Df\colon\mathbb{R}^n\rightarrow L(\mathbb{R}^n,\mathbb{R})$, where $L(\mathbb{R}^n,\mathbb{R})$ is the space of linear maps $\mathbb{R}^n\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$.
So if you take a linear map $f\colon\mathbb{R}\rightarrow\mathbb{R},\,x\mapsto ax$, the derivative is $f^{\prime}(x)=a$ for all $x\in\mathbb{R}$. So $f\neq f^{\prime}$. However, for each $x\in\mathbb{R}$, we have $Df(x)=f$. This is what is meant by "a linear function is its own derivative" in the sense of multi-variable analysis. It's a pointwise statement, not a global statement.
Is the "however for each..." part. related to the example you have provided of $f: x \rightarrow ax$ or is it seperate?
Because i do not see how $Df(x)=f$ in that example, would it not be simply $x \neq f(x)$
It is about the example. The general statement is that if $L\colon\mathbb{R}^n\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$ is linear, then $DL(x)=L$ for each $x\in\mathbb{R}^n$, which is what I mean by "a linear function is its own derivative" being a pointwise statement.
You can prove this by plugging in the definition
The one dimensional definition of the derivative, right?
Because the definition for multiple variables is not meant for the case $n=1$ or is it still useable?
08:42
By $Df$, I mean the multi-variable definition. That still works for $n=1$. The derivative of $f$ in the single-variable sense is just the constant function $a$.
09:05
Ok lets compare both definitions for this case $f(x)=ax$
1-Dim:
$ t_{\rightarrow 0} \frac{f(x+t)-f(x)}{t}$ needs to exist. In this case it does and it is $=a$
Multiple dimensions for $n=1$ we have:
$ t_{\rightarrow 0} \frac{|f(x+t)-f(x)-f(t|)}{|t|} = 0$ obviously correct. this would mean that $Df(x)=f$
However if we derive $f$ we get $a$ which is not $f$... so both definitions deliever different results since the second definition we recieve $ax$ . What am i missing?
Are you sure the second definition applies for $n=1$?
You're not missing anything. These two definitions are both valid, but they're not the same thing. They correspond to one another under the canonical isomorphism $L(\mathbb{R},\mathbb{R})\cong\mathbb{R}$.
Can you please elaborate this comment and the ismorophism part.
This iso depends on the choice of a specific (nonzero) vector $v$ of $\mathbb R$ that serves as a basis of $\mathbb R$. Then the linear map associated to $a\in\mathbb R$ is $\lambda v\mapsto a\lambda v$. Conventionally for the single variable derivative, one chooses $v=1$. Thus the linear map corresponding to a single variable derivative $a$ at a given point is $x\mapsto ax$
This is correct, but also note this isomorphism does not depend on the choice of $v\in\mathbb{R}$. In fact, the same argument gives a canonical isomorphism $L(V,V)\cong\mathbb{R}$ for each 1-dimensional vector space $V$.
This is actually a very useful fact from time to time.
I wanted to write $\lambda v\mapsto a\lambda$, which would have made the choice of $v$ matter. (since in higher dimensions we're not in the case $L(V,V)$ anymore)
09:35
Thanks for the information. i am not sure i quite understood it, but still i atleast now know about it.
Maybe i should follow up with this question: how does this "canonical isomorphism" look like ? Say as Astyx wrote $\lambda v \rightarrow a \lambda v$ ?
 
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11:44
Additionally, the following question has come to me. We know that linear functions build the zero element to the zero element. say $L(0)=0 $ where as the zeros are from the respective vector spaces. consider once again the definition of the multivariable derivative, taking the limit to zero, would that not deliver zero for this function? Surely we will not expect some kind of " jump " near zero if you argument to say " it never reaches zero"
12:43
@MadSpaces What I wrote rewrites as $x\mapsto ax$, which is what Thorgott means by canonical
The fact that it's the same $x$ is important
basically, a linear map $\mathbb R\to \mathbb R$ will scale every vector in the same way
the scaling factor, $a$ is intrinsic to the map
however my point was that in this specific setting the domain and codomain, although both are isomorphic to $\mathbb R$, do not represent the same thing: the first is a change in the parameters, while the second one is a change in $f$
thus, one makes a choice of a nonzero vector $v$ to normalize change (conventionally $v=1$). Every vector in the domain is of the form $\lambda v$ for some $\lambda\in\mathbb R$. And the single-variable derivative is defined as the $a$ (vector in the codomain) such that $\lambda v\mapsto \lambda a$
If you know a bit of linear algebra, you should know that you can define a linear map by specifying its values on a basis. In this case, the basis of the domain is the singleton $v$, and its image is $a$, which is how the single-variable derivative and the multi-variable derivative are related
@MadSpaces yes, the multivariable derivative at a point evaluates to zero at zero
remember the derivative associates a linear map to every point
$f(x+h) = f(x) + Df_{x}(h) + o(\|h\|)$
If $h\to 0$, it's obvious that $Df_x(h)$ should go to zero as well
In the single variable case, this rewrites
$f(x+h)=f(x)+f'(x)h +o(h)$
so $Df_x(h) = f'(x)h$ is indeed a linear map for fixed $x$
13:07
How to calcuLate sin235 without calculator ?
13:21
what is even Sin235?
sin 235 degrees
55
Q: Is there a way to get trig functions without a calculator?

Jonathan LamIn school, we just started learning about trigonometry, and I was wondering: is there a way to find the sine, cosine, tangent, cosecant, secant, and cotangent of a single angle without using a calculator? Sometimes I don't feel right when I can't do things out myself and let a machine do it when...

(your question is the same as, what is "-sin 55°" Look at the Sin curve. and read that topic. you will reach a good conclusion.
How do you calculate using unit circle ?
13:45
@MadSpaces There used to be a thing called tables, in a thing called a book.
I know it’s easy to calculate using tables and calculators but I want to know using unit circles
@cOnnectOrTR12 that was a joke. What is wrong with Eric Stucky's answer to that question?
14:03
If I want to post a question which like a debate Q , does MSE Accept such Q’s ?
14:15
Ok, who keeps messing around with how the profile page layouts? I’m a slow learner with poor memory, and you go rearranging something that’s been consistent the better part of a decade. You can’t be doing that, mate. /endrant XD
14:38
@S.M.T If the goal of your question is to create discussion, then Math SE is not really the right place for it.
> If your motivation for asking the question is “I would like to participate in a discussion about ______”, then you should not be asking here. However, if your motivation is “I would like others to explain ______ to me”, then you are probably OK. (Discussions are of course welcome in our real time web chat.)
@robjohn Oh i am well aware of that Prof. When i grew up we didnt really have much access to internet. Also till this day, Gradstein doesnt leave my side :)
Or rather "gradshteyn"
@MadSpaces do you mean more along the lines of "is there a formula for cosine and sine? Rather than it being obfuscated as a calculator button"?
sohcahtoa
The answer is "yes" in that case. However, you will still want to use a calculator.
14:54
@XanderHenderson K. Thanks a lot sir.
What are your views about this : The usage of mathematics in todays time has decreased due to the usage of computers , calculators. In engineering where mathematics is used , a person with basic knowledge can do well since he can use computers for advanced calculations.
If a computer uses math, is it not using math anymore?
I think that your assertions are built on the faulty premise that mathematics is about computation.

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