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08:13
@Prithubiswas It would be hard to make shots, but I believe it is legal to play without the rubber tip.
depends on what you mean by "possible"
Good morning friends,

We define a function of multivariables to be differentable using the norm.
$f: \mathbb{R^n} \rightarrow X, X \subset \mathbb{R^m}$ is differentiable at the point $x_0 \in \mathbb{R^n}$ if
$ lim_{h\rightarrow 0 , h,0\in \mathbb{R^n}} \frac{||f(x_0+h)-f(x_0)-L(h)||}{||h||}= 0 \in \mathbb{R^1}$
If for example $X = \mathbb{R^1} $ then we have in the fraction above a reel number, since both $ f, L$ will be building in the reels. Apparently, as i have seen in some notes, the norm then becomes merly an absolute power. What i do not understand, is how to transform the norm f
what is $L$?
$L$ is a linear function that satisfies $ D(f(x_0)) = L$ (if such exist obviously)
@robjohn Well , I am forced to play with a bare stick because a club member said not to play with the rubber cue [he thought that I wold break the cue]
@robjohn possible shots.
You might even say, how is the definition in this case possible, since taking norms from a number makes no sense and it is only defined on vectors. However, this is the definition at hand given for multivariable functions, and so i am just applying it.
 
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10:05
@MadSpaces I assume that both $f$ and $L$ are in $\mathbb{R}^m$, so taking norms is no problem.
Professor Rob, suppose that we have a real valued function of two variables $f:S(\subset R^2)\to R$
Suppose that $S$ is open and that $f$ is differentiable on S.
We want to see if $c\in S$ is a point of extrema or not.
Suppose that $c$ is a stationary point that is $\nabla f(c)=0$
Let's say we have $A=f_{xx}(c), B=f_{xy}(c)=f_{yx}(c), C=f_{yy}(c)$
If determinant of $\begin{pmatrix} A& B\\B&C\end{pmatrix}=AC-B^2=0$
Then I want to characterise cases such that I have an extrema at c. I want to ask: is this possible?
The question makes sense because if the determinant mentioned earlier is zero, then $c$ can be a saddle point, minima or maxima point.
An attempt: Sign of $f(c+t)-f(c)$ is determined by $Q(x,y)=Ax^2+2Bxy+Cy^2$ where $t=(x,y)$. We can write: $Q(x,y)=\frac {(Ax+By)^2+det (X) y^2}{2A}$, if A is non zero. So $Q(x,y)=\frac{(Ax+By)^2}{2A}$. From here, if somehow we could find some condition on $A,B$ so that Q doesn't change sign, we'll be done.
X means the matrix aforementioned. If A and B are non zero, then we'll have trouble along the line: $y=(-A/B)x$ causing trouble and hence we can't say anything about extrema at c?
I think such characterization is not possible.
 
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12:58
@Koro If $AC-B^2\lt0$, this is a saddle point. If $AC-B^2\gt0$ it is a max or min. If $AC-B^2=0$ it is in between. Along the direction you've mentioned, the function could increase or decrease. Further information is needed.
13:30
$\int _4^{+\infty }\frac{1-cosx}{x}\:dx$
I tried to do something like $\frac{1-cosx}{x}<=\frac{2}{x}$, but it is not helpful
@Curio what are you trying to show here?
Any ideas?
Divergence
Note that on $[(2k+1/2)\pi,(2k+3/2)\pi]$, $\frac{1-\cos(x)}x\ge\frac1x$
and everywhere, $\frac{1-\cos(x)}x\ge0$
Nice observation
Hi
@robjohn I'm a bit confused. If $k=0$, then the interval is $[-\pi/2, \pi/2]$, so $cosx\ge0$. But $1-cosx>=1$ -> $cosx\le0$
13:41
How can I study the convergence/divergence of the series $\sum_{k\geq 2} (-1)^{k}\frac{2+(-1)^{k}}{\ln k}$?
We have $\lim_{n\to +\infty}a_{k}=0$ so doesn't work. Also $\lim_{n\to +\infty}|a_{k}|^{1/k}=1$ so doesn't work the root test.
@Curio your integral starts at $4$, so why are you worrying about $k=0$?
show that the sum for $k\ge1$ diverges. Your integral is greater than that.
@Curio sorry, I fixed the interval
Can you show that the integral on that interval is $\ge\log\left(\frac{4k+3}{4k+1}\right)$? Then can you show that $\log\left(\frac{4k+3}{4k+1}\right)\ge\frac2{4k+3}$?
@Alex Try writing that as $\sum\limits_{k\ge2}(-1)^k\frac2{\log(k)}+\sum\limits_{k\ge2}\frac1{\log(k)}$
Hello, i am having trouble understanding this rigoriously.
let $f: [a,b]\times[c,d] \rightarrow \mathbb{R} $ continious and let the partial derivative $\frac{\partial f }{\partial y} $ exist and also be continious then we define the function
$ F(y) := \int_a^bf(x,y)dx$ and we want to show that F is differentiable with the derivative $F'(y) = \int_a^b\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}(x,y)dx$
Proving it is written that :

Because $\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}$ has an anti derivative, it is for $y \in [c,d]: \int_c^y\frac{\partial f}{\partial \xi} d\xi= f(x,y)-f(x,c)$ thus $F(y) = \int_a^b[\int_c
@robjohn yes, I think characterisation for the case when the determinant is zero may not be possible and the reason for that is the test gives a sufficient condition and not a necessary one.
@MadSpaces I think that you can prove it without using Fubini’s theorem.
14:02
@robjohn So $(-1)^{k}\left( \frac{2+(-1)^{k}}{\log k}\right)=(-1)^{k}\frac{2}{\log k}+\frac{(-1)^{2k}}{\log k}\geq \frac{1}{\log k}$ Since $\sum_{k\geq 2}\frac{1}{\log k}$ diverges so $\sum_{k\geq 2} (-1)^{k}\frac{2+(-1)^{k}}{\log k}$ diverges?
@Alex check your first inequality
Yes, I have a mistake should be $\leq $.
did you try writing your sum as $\sum\limits_{k\ge2}(-1)^k\frac2{\log(k)}+\sum\limits_{k\ge2}\frac1{\log(k)}$?
@Koro How long does it take for you to find a suitable epsilon in an epsilon delta problem?
@Alex The first can be handled by the Alternating Series Test.
14:10
@robjohn Yes, we have $\sum_{n=2}^\infty (-1)^n \frac{2+(-1)^n}{\ln{n}}=2\sum_{n=2}^\infty \frac{(-1)^n}{\ln{n}}+\sum_{n=2}^\infty \frac{1}{\ln{n}}$. We are separating the series, so I assume that we do have convergence, don't we? Otherwise the series could not be separated like this?
no...
@Prithubiswas I think you meant delta. It depends upon the problem. Your question has no straightforward answer.
@Alex $\sum\limits_{k\ge2}\left((-1)^k\frac2{\log(k)}+\frac1{\log(k)}\right)=\lim\limits_{n\to\infty}\left(\sum\limits_{k=2}^n(-1)^k\frac2{\log(k)}+\sum\limits_{k=2}^n\frac1{\log(k)}\right)=\sum\limits_{k\ge2}(-1)^k\frac2{\log(k)}+\sum\limits_{k\ge2}\frac1{\log(k)}$ That is just the limit of a sum is the sum of the limits
@Koro I am trying to find an x such that I can get a contradiction from this:
∀x ∈ D ( 0 < |x| < δ ⇒ |1/x - m| < 1 )
how do you write this? This is not Latex.
14:13
@Koro No. not latex.
@Prithubiswas If you use latex, then you can use that in questions and answers and others can copy and paste your stuff when they try to answer
$\forall x\in D\,(0\lt|x|\lt\delta\implies|1/x-m|\lt1)$
@robjohn As long as we guarantee that the limits of each sum exist? or is it simply because $\displaystyle \lim_{n\to +\infty}\sum_{k=2}^{n}a_{k}=\sum_{k\geq 2}a_{k}$ by definition regardless of whether the series converges or not?
Nice beard, robjohn
@Alex No, we don't need that they both converge. We are using the definition. The first converges, the second diverges.
Ohh, Robjohn's beard looks really nice. :-)
14:17
$∀x ∈ D$ $( 0 < |x| < δ ⇒ |1/x - m| < 1 )$
here $m ∈ ℝ$
@AMDG Sort of a Fu Manchu
Yeah, something like that.
@robjohn OK, now I understand that part. So now you only have to study the second series that this series $\displaystyle \sum_{k \geq 2}\frac{1}{\log k}$. But we have $\displaystyle \int_{2}^{+\infty} \frac{1}{\log x}{\rm d}x$ does not converges.
@Alex yes
you can also use that $\log(k)\le k$
Thank you so much @robjohn
14:23
@robjohn Curious, what was it that you were interested in for division several months ago?
The only thing I think I can say is worthwhile to mention from my studies is that $f(x) f(x f(x))$ is capable of converging faster than Newton-Raphson depending on the $f(x)$.
@Alex Alternatively: $\sum \frac 1{\log n}$ diverges by Cauchy condensation test. Suppose the given series converges, then the second series that is $S=$ given series - alternating series converges by algebra of limits, hence a contradiction.
@AMDG pardon?
@robjohn Several months ago, you told that if I find anything, I should tell you. (RE: fast division)
how can we post hyper-link in chat?
[what you want us to see](the url)
14:29
Click $\color{blue}{\text{here}}$ so that here is clickable.
$\ddot\smile$
Sort of like this
Thank you! :)
@AMDG did you come up with a faster algorithm for division?
@robjohn Well depends on what it is held relative to. I've found several means of computing division that are at most twice as fast as the worst case for 64-bit divide, and I managed to do 8-bit divides in a handful of cycles (as opposed to 16 for Ryzen CPUs).
The rest that I've found is all theory but not yet practical until I can implement modulus.
@Prithubiswas this is fake latex. It is the same thing wrapped in $s.
14:36
That or unless you have hardware that can trivially produce sine/square waves.
I mentioned long ago that a reciprocal for any $\frac{1}{y}$ is also validly represented as $(0.1)_y$. You can then double this value in the native representation and get the value of a bit starting from the left-most bit at $2^{-1}$ to arbitrary precision sequentially. It's a trivial operation, and it could be made constant time. To speed it up, however, you can compute $2^x \bmod y$ so that you can compute each digit in that base in parallel.
The issue is finding an optimized means to compute $2^x\bmod y$.
Alternatively, an optimal way of converting from base 2 to base y for powers of two inputs only.
But none of that matters if you can compute square waves of rational periods because there's a direct relationship between division and the waveform which represents the value of a power of two over time. You can likewise use this as a superior method to the afforementioned to compute any arbitrary bit in constant time. It reduces division (and hence multiplication) to O(n).
And that summarizes everything I've learned about division thus far.
Now I'm going to work out whether or not I can properly implement that "two tapes" idea I mentioned yesterday for computing modulus.
15:03
chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/60040691#60040691 Is it obvious that there are infinitely many such number?
@robjohn Then what is "real latex"?
using stuff like \in and \implies instead of special characters, i presume
@leslietownes Oh ok.
@robjohn Hm, I found something just now that seems rather useful, but I don't know enough about harmonics to make it more useful. Or I just haven't meditated about it enough to get an answer. desmos.com/calculator/frtntmsrqv
the difference is clearer if one doesn't enable chatjax. :) i'm kind of surprised it renders, whatever it is
15:18
Hi @leslietownes, I appreciate your answer and efforts for it here. I've been made aware that the place I took the question from isn't allowing for it to be outside. I try to delete it but it says "You cannot delete this question as others have invested time and effort into answering it.". Can you please delete your answer (that I'm thankful for)?
or is it too late? sorry in either case...
huh. are any mods around? would it be frowned upon if i did that? what's the site vibe on this?
$\forall x \in D (0 < |x| < \delta \to \frac {1} {|x|} - m)$
Chat needs an @mods feature apparently :P
yes, of course :-)
I don't know how best to determine a ratio from a power of two that fits into an arbitrary range for computing modulus :(
You can see this here clearly computes a modular reduction, and that valid range of ratios changes as $b$ changes, but like... something something harmonics and sawtooth waves.
I suppose symbolic computation might be plausible.
15:30
@leslietownes Is this real latex?
prithu: yes :)
@leslietownes Then can I talk about the actual problem?
no objections from me
Hi Leslie!
@leslietownes So the problem is , I have to find an x such that I can get a contradiction.
15:34
ok. you want to find an $x$ in $D$ for which both $0 < |x| < \delta$ and $|1/x - m| \geq 1$ hold. what's $D$?
@leslietownes $D \in \mathbb{R}/\{0\}$
$m \in \mathbb{R}$
OK. have you tried solving the problem for any particular value of m? m = 0 might convey a lot of the flavor of the general problem.
Well no. But I am tried some values of x.
I will see where to go after m=0.
15:55
Prithu: How did you write the expression earlier without latex?
Do you have any keyboard app that does that?
as koro knows i am not a fan of case-based exposition :) but i fully support case-based investigation of an unsolved problem
Let $f$ be an even entire function, and let $\sqrt{z}$ denote any square root of $z$ (any branch cut of the square root?). Prove that $g(z) := f(\sqrt{z})$ is well-defined and is also entire.
in Basic Mathematics, Jul 16 '21 at 9:15, by user21820
@Prithubiswas Oh I see. If you are using Windows, you can use AHK hotstrings, which I use to type unicode symbols.
Okay. So, proving that $g$ is entire isn't too bad. Let $f(z) = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n z^n$ be the power series expansion of $f$ at $z=0$. I think it's true that no matter what branch cut of the square root we take, $(\sqrt{z})^2 = z$ (this is all sort of weird...what does $\sqrt{~~~~}$ actually refer to?). Since $f$ is even, $a_n = 0$ whenever $n$ is odd. Hence,

$$f(z) = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_{2n} (z^2)^n$$
and therefore

$$g(z) = f(\sqrt{z}) = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_{2n} [(\sqrt{z})^2]^n = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_{2n} z^n$$
But what is there to do to show $g$ is well-defined
@Prithubiswas I see. Thanks :)
16:03
user: the series based argument looks OK to me. if you don't like the \sqrt notation, maybe consider that you are given a function S(z), where all you know about S(z) is that S(z)^2 = z. the power series argument shows that f(S(z)) is given for all z by that series, and things given for all z by a power series in z are entire, as you implicitly note.
the actual choice of S(z) doesn't matter, only the property S(z)^2 = z. there could be some goofy branch cut or even a whole ton of other discontinuities (your argument doesn't even need to assume that S(z) is continuous on an open set, let alone an open set that is in some sense 'as big as possible')
Ah, I see!
So, there's nothing to show regarding well-definedness?
i don't think so? assuming all the underlying facts about power series are known (e.g. that a_n is indeed 0 whenever n is odd, and that something given by a power series is analytic wherever it is defined). the series does define g.
Cool! Thanks!
If I delete my account, is the question I asked also deleted? I hope it is deleted
@Prithubiswas $\forall x\in D\,(0\lt|x|\lt\delta\implies|1/x-m|\lt1)$ which gives $\forall x\in D\,(0\lt|x|\lt\delta\implies|1/x-m|\lt1)$ It is all composed of characters that are basic ASCII characters, so that they can be typed on any keyboard.
16:16
I can't currently delete it because it has an answer and the answerer doesn't delete their answer, hence my question.
robjohn: do you know if there a site norm against deleting an answer for no reason other than the OP asked you to? i've seen a lot of unwritten norms around deleting questions. this feels different.
@Neither No. Once posted, it belongs to SE and you havea license to it. This is part of the license agreement we all signed when joining.
i guess i'm assuming that my deleting the answer would render the question (which has no other answers) delete-able by the OP, and i'm not even sure of that
@leslietownes That would do it, or if the vote count went to zero on your answer.
well if nobody else minds, i guess i'll delete my masterpiece of an answer. everyone is invited to take one last look.
16:22
10k+ users see deleted answers, no?
Actually, as that question is a PSQ, it will be deleted by those on the lookout for PSQs
@Neither yes
it previously had attempts that were edited out.
well, it doesn't now and may be closed and deleted even with your answer there.
very tempted to edit my answer to be completely wrong so that it gets downvoted.
neither: try deleting now.
thanks and sorry.
16:24
@Neither why did you want to have that deleted?
robjohn: that's kind of funny, when you think about it (that an OP, or really anybody editing a question, could make the answer deletable as a response to a "PSQ" that wasn't when the answer was posted). i realize the system would become hard to administer if it were any other way.
@Prithubiswas If you have ChatJax installed, it is better to use LaTeX than to use characters that require special software to generate.
which is not to say that the system is easy to administer. :D
@leslietownes I have to ask this: you're aware that username: doesn't notify but @username does, right? I've been so curious :)
16:27
yes. not @-ing allows me to be both gregarious and shy.
you can also 'sneak diss' people this way, and yet it will look like you're saying it straight to their face.
i will illustrate.
neither: if it wasn't for the spirit of the new years, i would see you and all of your friends and family outside and beat all of them up, and the whole world would applaud me for doing so.
@leslietownes: one must be careful of people trying to hide exam questions that have gotten answers.
if you weren't here, you'd never know i said that.
rob: oh, i wasn't sure it was an exam question. i don't want aiding and abetting liability.
unless they searched the chat for their name
but you might have by deleting your answer
I am not saying that is what went on, but it is suspicious.
OK. i did ask ahead of time if there were norms against deleting answers. i think, twice.
i guess now we'll never know.
not to complicate the world, but maybe when someone tries to delete their own upvoted answer it could pop up a dialogue asking for a reason. like a vote to close.
and then people could see examples of what's normal and what isn't and me writing "dunno really but the OP asked me to" might raise the attention of other users reviewing it.
If you delete you own upvoted answer, you get a badge.
16:35
Masochist
Disciplined badge
Flagellant
(Delete own post with score of 3 or higher)
Sharpshooter (deleted edited "PSQ" with upvoted answers that was not a PSQ when it was answered)
koro: maybe it should just be called "Aiding and Abetting"
@leslietownes $x = min(1,\delta/2)$ ?
For the $m = 0$ case
16:44
yeah, that'll work
I got that badge some days back. That's how I know. :D
oh, you weren't joking. i think i only had 2 votes on mine.
16:57
:)
yeah both of 2 votes were from me
voting chicago-style
koro, why did you delete the answer? out of morbid curiosity.
also, what's your secret to getting a score of 3 or higher?
Leslie, I deleted the answer for incorporating some more details in my answer (I could have used edit also, I think). By the time I deleted, it had atleast 3 upvotes I think. Then I posted the revised answer.
I think this was that answer :).
And what's up with that voting chicago style? 😅
17:12
ahhh too many trig functions. my brain is melting.
this is classic american culture. chicago had, at least historically and/or in popular myth, a notoriously corrupt local government. everybody (in the narrative at least) was in the thrall of political machines and/or organized crime groups, with money deciding who was allowed to win or lose. multiple voting was supposedly a symptom of this.
the phrase "vote early, and vote often" is maybe associated with this stereotype.
i loved the mayor so much i voted for him 10 times.
chicago-style voting.
i am sure that this form of democracy is unknown outside of the historical united states.
i hate seeing an answer that is really good in 9/10 respects and but somewhere in the middle does something wrong or says something misleading. like, not a typo, but something genuinely incorrect that you would take off points for. even if the 'idea' is right.
i want to upvote, but i can't. i want to comment and ask for a fix, but sometimes the comment box isn't long enough.
@leslietownes I could undelete it and your answer ;-)
Haha, you reminded me of one exam at college. So it was a physics exam and I was supposed to derive some formula. For some reason unknown to me I was getting the final result negative of the desired result, that negative sign was irking me. So I started the answer in clean handwriting and then worsened it towards the end and absorbed minus in between to get the final answer as desired.
of course, I still lost points for that stunt.
in fourth grade i had a true or false test ,and when i couldn't decide on one answer, i wrote a T with an additional crossbar in the middle
my teacher did notice and write "nice try"
@Koro was the answer actually what you had the first time?
@leslietownes it was in an indeterminate state...
First I did some rough work (we could do that in exam and later cross it and write rough work on that) and during that I was getting negative of the desired quantity.
17:26
i was hoping the teacher looking at it would collapse it to the right answer, but it turns out the cat was dead
$\unicode{x166}$
Robjohn: it was like prove this result. So it was known what was to be proven.
i was always getting the sign wrong in physics class. my lab TA constantly joked about it. "which way is the field going to deflect the particle? let's ask leslie." i'd get it wrong and everyone would laugh.
i didn't mind because i knew that one day i would sue them all.
@leslietownes had they not heard of Catastrophe or Chaos Theory?
Physics lab used to be fun. It used to be a 3 hr lab during which we had to do experiment and make report also and submit it.
It took time in getting readings.
So some would put unrealistic (near perfect) readings.
Like getting $g=9.81$ m/s^2
17:31
i should have taken a signals processing lab.
"why can we assume the probability of error in the channel is at most 1/2?" everybody points to leslie
what is a cool down suspension?
koro: this explains why my chemistry lab results were so bad, i was reporting the actual stuff the machines were measuring. i knew they weren't right. i had a spreadsheet formula telling me exactly what to expect. i should have labeled the spreadsheet formula column 'actual data' and hidden a few columns.
lalit, i am not a moderator, but i assume a short-term suspension intended to interrupt whatever background context led to the suspension.
the DJ turns off the intense rave beats and puts on some ambient for a couple of hours so those affected can stumble out into a new dawn in peace.
r9m
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17:50
@robjohn Happy New Year! :) lovely space photos!
@r9m Thanks! Happy New Year, to you, too!
It's been a long time since I've had a chance to go and take astrophotos
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@robjohn I have been wanting to buy a telescope of sorts for a few years now .. but like most grad students I'm broke .. XD
as a grad student, can you sneak into a building that has a telescope on its roof? :)
and by sneak into, i guess i mean, obtain lawful entry into
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lul .. I'm in a math institute .. no telescopes around here
Nikon P1000 does the trick too.
17:57
oh. my undergrad had a large optical telescope on the roof of one building. and a few portable setups that people would drag around. astro people are surprisingly generous with their time and equipment.
ted you might like this. yesterday at the little duck pond my wife got into a conversation with a guy walking his dog who complained about the lack of wigeons and shovelers in the pond. and my daughter interrupted to say "there are shovelers at the big duck pond." which is true, although we did have to explain what she meant by the big duck pond.
Good for her!
Not too onerous a task for you adults.
Happy new year, @r9m.
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Happy New Year Prof @Ted
the guy had opened with wigeons and shovelers without knowing that we were bird people, so i don't think he was too surprised by us talking about birds, but he was a little surprised by a three-year-old joining in.
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18:02
@Koro I could get a good telescope for that price here :)
Well, not just your everyday three-year-old.
@leslietownes $x = min(1,\delta/(2(1-|m|)))$ for $m \in \mathbb{R}$ ?
she didn't go on her rant about how the shovelers weren't swimming in a circle the last time she saw them, which may show some social graces that even i do not have.
After 8 1/2 years, I got a downvote and comment here. Any idea what he's talking about?
@r9m Astrophotography can be an expensive hobby. Without the proper equipment, skill and talent can only take you so far.
18:03
@leslie "even I"? Ha.
HNY, @robjohn.
prithu: yes, something like that (although notice the potential static around |m| = 1)
@TedShifrin Happy New Year, Ted. It has stopped raining here. Of course, in time for the Rose Parade.
It's sad that eventually the earth will cease to exist.
:(
Because the sun has some lifetime.
What happens if the sun dies out?
@Koro unless we develop the technology to preserve it somehow.
does it dry out? i thought it just becomes iron, or something.
oh, dies out.
we'll just have to leave the lights on all day, then.
18:05
@leslietownes The core will stop fusion when it starts to create iron.
Sun has huge reserves of hydrogen and fission keeps happening there.
What if that huge reserve is depleted?
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@robjohn I can guess by the price of some of the decent telescopes alone .. they are expensive!
rob: this is the outer limit of my memory of "astro 10." i assume it's game over at that point.
@r9m Either you spend lots of money, or you learn to make your own.
r9m: you're marrying the wonderfully expensive field of photography with the need for wonderfully expensive optics.
18:07
It's a much more immediate worry to some of us that democracy in the US may be about to die.
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@robjohn make my own? :o .. I have seen a few 'assemble yourself' models .. I wouldn't know where to find the parts individually
@leslietownes yeah, it will take a while for the cessation to reach out, but it is pretty quick
koro: when the reserves are depleted, just turn all the lights on.
@r9m By make your own, I mean learning how to grind a mirror, which can be done. There are a lot of books about amateur telescope making and some of those telescopes are just as good as the professionally made ones.
ted: sorry, what in the US?
:)
18:09
@leslietownes However, it does take over 200,000 years for a photon created in the core to make it out of the sun.
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@robjohn I see .. didn't know the mirrors can be made without precision tools
Leslie: not sure if that will be possible if the Sun reserves are depleted
robjohn: sounds like the line at the DMV! ha ha ha ha ha
I think if/when that happens, we'll be frozen.
koro: turn on the space heater
18:10
@leslie @robjohn Can you guys explain what this person things I have wrong here?
@r9m there are ways to make a precisely shaped mirror using knife edge tests.
I think I have seen too many of Kurzgesagt videos.
ted: no. i think the comment reflects disappointment more than error-finding
I mean, Daniel is always right, but to me it looks like we said the precisely same thing.
if the cited link helped him he would have solved his problem, and it doesn't, for the reasons you specify
18:13
Anyhow, I had forgotten how many of my answers from the early days on this site went unaccepted.
at least people upvote you, ted.
people just upvote my answers and then ask me to delete them.
pearls before swine. that should be a badge.
Well, I'll jump on that bandwagon if you give me a chance. :)
Martyr (but Not in a Sacrilegious Way) badge.
People Persecuted and Ignored Galileo and Now They Persecute You badge.
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18:33
@robjohn I looked at a few youtube tutorials .. seems like fun :)
@leslietownes XD LOL
@leslietownes A lot of us would earn this badge.
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@TedShifrin these are still tolerable in some sense .. sometimes I had to redo nasty calculations to answer some of the 'how did you get this/that step' .. XD
It's not my fault you were nasty!
Ted Shifrin, 20x gold "Pearls Before Swine"
@r9m It is not quite as easy as all that, but it is not impossible.
18:39
i haven't answered enough questions to earn the gold level of pearls before swine. i might be able to earn pearl before swine.
i've certainly earned the swine badge.
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@TedShifrin what can I say .. can't be nice all the time XD
@TedShifrin I cannot figure out what the other commenter means, but I think your answer seems fine.
I think said commenter has a few screws loose. This was early on in my participation on the site. I probably should have added the explicit comments you just made.
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@robjohn the alignment business seems the trickiest .. they sort of skedaddle around that part
@robjohn But thank you very much for taking the time to check for me.
18:42
@r9m The mounting of the mirror may be described elsewhere, but it usually has adjusting screws for collimation.
Good afternoon.
undermath will now lecture us on differential topology, a field that they have come to completely understand because they did not waste the last several weeks.
Howdy, @Under.
It's still quite morning here, though.
Just take the differential of the topology.
Oh yeah, I tend to forget about the time zones.
Good day, rather.
18:44
And for plenty of participants here, it's evening or night.
@TedShifrin However, $\int_C\log\left(\frac{z+1}{z-2}\right)\,\mathrm{d}z$ is a different story.
How about good existence.
Covers all of the bases.
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@robjohn I see .. thanks!! will look more into it now
@robjohn Well, IF it satisfies the condition that it's holomorphic/analytic on the curve, then sure. But you haven't specified that the curve doesn't wrap around $1,-2$.
@UnderMathUate Now we can have lectures on Existentialism.
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ugh .. cringes at 'good'
18:47
Lol
What kind of problem are you guys working on? That looks like a line integral, but what is a holomorphic/analytic curve?
@TedShifrin I was intending the same contour: assuming winding number 1 around both points.
Well, the contour in his question could have wrapped around $1$ or $-2$ or both.
Or am I misremembering?
oops, I miscopied the points.
now it is correct
the OP says 'encloses'. i don't see this as resolving the ambiguity.
Oh, you meant the same points. Now we have to debate the meaning of "encloses." The winding numbers could be different around the two points! :D
@leslie beat me.
18:51
ted: we need to stop sharing the same brain.
Munchkin has taken over most of yours, anyhow.
you stick to whatever it is you do, and i'll stick to northern shovelers.
Yes, I know nothing about birds.
do the northern shovelers enclose the vortex when they circle around it?
this actually weirdly relates directly to the ambiguity.
i have seen winding numbers in the dozens. northern shovelers are very committed.
Do they wind both directions, or always one way or the other (perhaps depending on the hemisphere)?
18:54
the latter. someone, i guess the alpha duck, chooses the direction, and then they all do it.
If $f$ is an entire function, what is the easiest/quickest way to argue that $z \mapsto \overline{f(1/\overline{z})}$ is an analytic function on $\Bbb{C} \setminus \{0\}$?
Prove that $\overline{g(\bar z)}$ is always holomorphic if $g$ is.
user: if you care about the lengths of short paths, probably depends on definition of analytic.
My favorite way to do this is to use the $\partial/\partial z$ and $\partial/\partial\bar z$ operators, but you can do it directly from Cauchy Riemann.
my PDE-infected complex analysis instructor loved the d/dzbar term.
18:57
is this analysis?
Well, as a complex geometer, obviously I love it seriously. Dolbeault cohomology to the fore.
he did all the crap with green's theorem and the remainder if something isn't analytic.
conway didn't have any truck with such distractions.
under: this isn't the real life, this is just fantasy
something, something easy come, easy go.
Actually, that is a standard result that is in every several complex variables book, and in many complex analysis books that are modern.
I mentioned it in here recently as an exercise for someone.
It's just Stokes's (Green's) Theorem, verbatim.

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