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01:04
@user193319 that is correct. $L$ is easier to work with.
01:43
it figures that i leave when they do functional analysis.
or operator theory. i'm never sure which is which.
Meh. В со равно.
maybe distracting from the main point to note there's lots of general theory there. that's the toeplitz operator on H^2 with symbol 1 + z.
xander's a spy. learned that too.
Чего? Да нет!
Also, I am so very upset with one of the local school board members right now. "The COVID vaccine isn't really a vaccine because it don't do sh*t!" F*** me sideways. It is probably a good thing that I am attending the meeting via Google Meet, and am not there in person.
Arg... I'm just having a bad day. Imma drink more.
america's best and brightest, present and accounted for at the school board meeting.
>:(
I'm livin' in Trump Country. Arg... jeebus, I'm in a bad mood. Can I just, like, Bill Murray this day and start all over again?
01:55
i'm glad that i haven't been affected by that, mostly. only anti vaxx stuff i've seen in person is people yelling while getting put out of CVS or target by security. which is about right.
wouldn't be helpful for anybody to get in my face with that stuff.
I wish that the local folk would kick people out for not wearing masks.
I was standing in line to day to pick up drugs for my brother at the pharmacy, and some old codger stepped in line behind me (right behind me) and started insulting my masculinity, because only a f****t would wear a mask.
yeah, it's good i don't live there.
you'd see me on the evening news.
@XanderHenderson I want to see what would happen if you just told him that you are indeed homosexual
I was so tempted to reply "Oh, you don't mind if I take my mask off? Thank GOD! I tested positive for the COVID today, but we all know that the COVID doesn't exist."
almost everyone around here, throughout the pandemic, has been reasonable. this is encouraging.
01:59
@LeakyNun I did this to an air force recruiter when I was in high school. I had a friend who got very good scores on his ACT and SAT exams (36 ACT, 1570 SAT), and was taking a lot of college classes at the time. The air force recruiter came to his house while were were setting up a LAN party. I answered the door.
The recruiter asked for my friend, and in my very best lisp, I said "Kevin! There's some MAN at the door looking for you!"
Oddly enough, the Air Force stopped bothering him...
how weird for them to recruit one-on-one like that. i understand they have considerable discretion at a local level but that seems like a waste of time.
a friend of mine did that for the army for a while. it was mostly phone calls and walk-ins
99% of it was people walking into the office on main street of nowhere and signing paper saying "Yes, i do want to leave my hometown."
which weirdly enough is how my mom joined the air force.
Hrm... I just found his website. It hasn't been updated since 2003...
I wonder if he is still alive...
we all stopped updating our websites around then, xander.
02:04
Shit... I wish someone had told me... I think I updated my last year.
i still have a 'google site' somewhere with my academic work on it. i did update it a few years ago, some of the links were dead. i replaced them with doi links.
otherwise, it is frozen in time. i wonder why i bothered to do that.
I guess any male who doesn’t carry a yuge rifle with him is a fa***t. Who has lacking masculinity, huh?
that's always quite funny. well, funny isn't the word, but the most hypermasculine guys i know are gay.
absolutely anyone would lose a masculinity contest against them.
And then there’s dear str8 Lindsay Graham. chokes
02:10
i hope he has a therapist.
@TedShifrin Heh.
A therapist with a yuge AK-15.
What is an AK-15?
I am familiar with AR-15s, and AK-47s....
maybe some posters up from tom of finland, for extra masculinity.
Okay, the school board meeting is wrapping up. I'm going to bed. Maybe tomorrow will be more better.
02:15
Night, Xander.
i'm not looking forward to the 'caring about school board meetings' phase of parenting. thankfully i live in a country that provides nothing until around age 5.
the birthdays are coming fast and furious around here. it's scorpio season.
02:49
You’re too aged for me. I shun you.
Screech sleeps too much, and then is hyper most of the night when humans endeavor to sleep.
03:50
olivia gave us a good 4 am serenade.
04:13
ted we have a pressure-activated heated cat bed. if the cat pops in it warms up to the cat's body temperature. something like $40. it's olivia's second home in the winter months.
05:05
the ak-15 is the arma-kalishnakova variant. it does not kill people though.
copper are you familiar with a twitter meme from several years ago. gerry adams was complaining about the amount of time it takes to turn off the holiday lights in his house, and some wag responded "surely you know someone who can fit a timer."
today's a dark humor day.
that's funny. was never a gerry fan. ever watch the movie the foreigner? its not bad and mildly entertaining at times.
twitter is probably net negative in terms of societal impact but i do like how it allows random strangers to tweak people like gerry adams.
we know your ip
i haven't seen it. i should check it out.
05:14
on a babysitting night when all else is wasted
my IP is well known, i broadcast it far and wide. it is: 127.0.0.1
in lieu of a colonoscopy, i requested a diy sample kit. what was i thinking? i'll miss the excitement of the colonoscopy.
thankfully i'm not quite old enough that that's part of my checkup.
mine is ::1/128
doesn't quite have the same ring as There is no place like 127.0.0.1
when my wife had same, the doctor gave her a tatoo.
my dad had tattoos to guide radiation treatment for a prostate issue. i thought they should have offered other options. teardrops, I <3 mom, calvin peeing on hobbes, etc.
but it was just the points they needed for their radiographic procedures.
05:22
to be fair, it was on her intestine. obviously the dr has some sort of identity issue.
i remain un-tattooed. it is the mark of the beast.
my daughter got her ears pierced when she was home last. against my wishes.
oh no.
one of my coworkers did that recently. i asked her, is this a cry for help?
i thought it would be cheaper to do it at home
my wife hasn't done that but my sister has all sorts of stuff going on. and my best friend.
05:26
our family are fairly conservative in that regard.
i have a weird genetic thing inherited from my grandfather, in which it looks like i have a piercing in my right ear. every man in my family has this.
and unfortunately, no one in our family gave any of their children the middle name danger.
that's cool. my only identifying characteristic is a birthmark on my chest that various relatives tried to scrub off at various stages.
i haven't actually looked to see if my daughter has it. but i do look like i have a pierced ear.
my wife and daughter both have birthmarks on the scalp. they are basically invisible.
in another life i tried to understand genetics.
until my daughter was born i never knew that many asian babies have black & blue bums for a while.
i'm not sure if these are what are known as mongolian spots.
05:43
i never knew a lot of stuff until the kid was born. it was the chestburster scene from 'alien.'
i was very curious about the whole process and since i have 4 siblings i learned a lot. my mother indulged me for the most part with explanations, unless it involved the fun part.
but obviously all causcasian
in my first 5 years i only met one non white person, a monk from nigeria who was very happy to indulge my curiosity about colouration but my mother was truly mortified so that learning experience was curtailed.
they were going to put my daughter in a heated thing because the birth had taken 'too long', but then she began yelling like crazy and they returned her to her mom in an effort to cut the yelling off.
that's what we've been dealing with since.
many nurses at alta bates told us that my daughter was one of the two loudest babies that they had ever heard.
that's great. my mom was a nurse at alta bates, 1985-1995ish.
to be fair, the la leche league have a lot to answer for. they should be thankful for chivalry and extreme tiredness.
running a startup with a newborn put me over the top.
05:48
goodness.
there was so much else going on, i won't go there. well, maybe just a hint. spinal headache because the epidural dr showed up an hour late.
oh lord.
probably the longest 60 minutes of your life.
thankfully on night 2 (long story, this is the short version) a truly angelic iranian nurse who had not got the la leche memo cut the top of a bottle nipple, filled it with sugar water and gave myself, my wife & daughter the first proper sleep in two days.
ohh, the spinal headache extended that for a few days. they really do not appreciate how lucky they were that i was not focused on their screwups.
my wife has a heart valve defect which meant that all of those folks were understantably and yet frustratingly very reluctant to properly medicate.
that i can appreciate.
20 years on i still can feel the anger rise within me.
unfortunately way past the sol.
05:53
i'm not seeing a lot of value in your case, no.
i have left out a lot of details. and not so detail.
the good news is we have brought monsters into the world. it's us, version 2.
I think that defining derivative at a point as slope of tangent at that point, is not correct. If correct, how would one define tangent at 0 for $x^2\sin 1/x$? Isn't defining derivative as best linear approximation of function (around the point where we are finding derivative) a better geometrical interpretation ?
who defines it as a tangent?
By best linear approximation, I mean: Suppose f is differentiable at $c$ then we call a line $y=mx+c$ a best linear approximation to $f$ at c if $f(x)=m(x-c)+f(c)+o(x-c)$ as $x\to c$.
copper, I saw it at many places -being defined as "slope" of tangent. Then, I thought about tangent at $0$ for $x^2\sin 1/x$ and tried to inteprete derivative as slope of tangent at 0
06:04
tangent at 0 for x^2 times bounded should not be too controversial.
Another question/confusion: Why is derivative defined only on intervals?
you can define it wherever you like, but you generally need some sort of uniqueness to make it useful.
you can make meaningful definitions at end points of intervals and other places too.
If $S$ is arbitrary non empty subset of $R$ and if $f:S\to R$ is a function, then if $\lim_{x\to c}\frac{f(x)-f(c)}{x-c}$ exists (we may note that limit is always unique), then why is this not usually called a derivative of f at c?
@copper.hat ahh, okay :)
Don't get lost too far down the tunnel of "why's" Koro you'll end up running you mind in circles of excess confusion.
I think you're right. Definition is a definition :)
06:15
I've just returned from the days when public internet was in its infancy and one couldn't access it so instantaneously (i.e my modem broke for the weekend)....mighty pleasant time not being so "plugged in"
@Koro YES!!!....very much what you have to accept.
We have the "definitions" and everything is built from there....unless you want to get into the debate of how the logic works....but that's not my alley....
i use morse code when that happens.
I don't question definitions but I attended one class last weekend where derivative was also defined on arbitrary subsets of R and I recalled that many books (Rudin, Spivak, Bartlet, Zorich etc.) define derivative on intervals and thought if there is any specific reason why the books didn't define derivative on arbitrary subset. @dc3rd
You can define it anywhere, but the result may be vacuous. So authors prefer to avoid these situations and choose certain restrictions on the domain.
It is like defining limits on isolate sets.
yes, as your earlier comment said -we can define it. But it may not have a practical importance. :)
Since there is a linear map involved, you need enough wiggle room for it to make sense.
It is good to look at the 'boundaries' of definitions. But keep focus on the important aspects.
06:25
Every time I get one of those long internet breaks I resent more and more the way all these "smart" devices are built to prey on our different psychological makeup so insidiuously......
boundaries are folks like you COpper who have the PhD's.......
can't sprint before learning to crawl and walk...
bs = bullsht, ms = more sht, phd = piled higher and deeper
:(
I like deep waters..........lol..........deep excrement not so much
i prefer to build an intuition before i worry about formalities. but then i am an engineer, not a mathematician...
i had a friend who got nervous sailing when he could not see the water bottom,
seems like the reasonable thing to do....how would the mathematician do it?.......does this mean I have yet again picked the wrong path?
06:28
his fear was alleviated by mr Heineken
i dunno. i struggle with abstract first.
the green bottle has made a few men braver when they needed to be
:-)
good night folks.
night
06:53
good night
 
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09:07
I saw this transformation on the independent variable, which makes second order of variable coefficient to be constant coefficient (if it is successful). Does this has a name or who first found it? Here it is 12000.org/my_notes/using_transformation_case_1/index.htm I'd like to give it a name, but do not know who first found it now.
 
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10:11
Let's say I have -epsilon < arcsinx < epsilon
For -1<=x<=1 I can apply the sine function to both sides of the equation and obtain -sin(epsilon) < x < sin(epsilon)
Is it correct?
Can I do this? (I just care about the interval [-1,1] )
10:33
Any ideas?
@Curio sin(-1) is -0.841 and sin(1) is 0.841. So if say epsilon is 1, you'll have -0.841<x<0.841 which is not correct, right? since -1<x<1 ? I mean x could be say -0.9?
10:52
@Nasser It's the verification of the limit lim x->0 arcsinx = 0
So I think it's fine if epsilon is 1
Of course epsilon>0
 
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13:00
Does it make sense? "The odds are low (or high)"? and what does it mean?
13:56
@Nasser the page here sources it to Bernoulli and Euler
for a lot more historical context, you'll want to track down either the paper here or the chapter here
14:22
Does anybody know how I can give a user a resource which may answer their question? I do not have enough reputation, so can I get someone else to comment it for me?
It's a wikipedia link.
Does anyone with an intuition for Abstract Algebra have a useful way of remembering the distinctions between maximal ideals, principal ideals and prime ideals of rings? When I was first learning about ideals, I thought they could just be considered the ring-equivalent of "normal subgroups" in group theory, but with the increased complexity of rings > groups, there are these other noteworthy varieties of ideals in the form of prime/principal/maximal ideals, and I often mix them up
14:52
Nvm @CalvinKhor helped me do it.
15:40
I am trying to find the Laplace transform of $f(x) = \sin x \cos x$ but I keep making a mistake somewhere. First, note that $\sin x \cos x = \frac{\sin (2x)}{2} = \frac{e^{2 i x} - e^{-2ix}}{4i}$, and so
\begin{align*}
(\phi f)(p) &= \int_{0}^{\infty} \sin x \cos x ~ e^{-px} dx \\
&= \frac{1}{4i} \int_{0}^{\infty} (e^{2 i x} - e^{-2ix}) e^{-px} dx \\
&= \frac{1}{4i} \left( \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{(2i-p)x)} dx - \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-(2i+p)x} dx \right) \\
&= \frac{1}{4i} \left( \frac{1}{2i-p} e^{(2i-p)x} \bigg|_{0}^{\infty} - \frac{1}{2i+p} e^{-(2i+p)x} \bigg|_{0}^{\infty} \right) \\
&= \frac{1}{4i} \left(\frac{1}{2i-p}(0-1) + \frac{1}{2i+p}(0-1) \right) \\
&= -\frac{1}{4i} \left(\frac{2i + p + 2i - p}{- 4 - p^2} \right) \\
But from what I am reading, the answer should be $\frac{2}{p^2 + 4}$. Where am I going wrong?
when is the preimage of a nowhere dense set nowhere dense
on arbitrary topological spaces
16:33
can't think of a useful condition. constant maps get in the way.
maybe this will have a nicer answer
when is the zero set of a function nowhere dense on arbitrary topolocial spaces
?
ok so we've got real-valued or number-valued functions. still have constant maps, though.
16:56
the zero set of a function is nowhere dense iff the function is nowhere constantly zero
this is tautological, but I also don't think you should expect anything more meaningful
hmm because on a manifold $M$, if we have a chart $(U,x^1,......,x^n)$ and on $U$, $x^1,.....,x^k=0$ then why is $\{x\in U: x^{1}=......=x^k=0\}$ nowhere dense?
by what I just said
it's a chart now. we're getting somewhere.
maximal and prime ideals are very related concepts. the way to understand them, as far as I'm concerned, is by their quotients. prime ideals are precisely those ideals whose quotient is an integral domain and maximal ideals are those whose quotient is a field. this is how these concepts are often used in practice and it immediately makes clear why maximal ideals are prime.
principal ideals is a very different notion from those other two. they are simply ideals that can be generated by a single element. I don't think there's a more convenient way of thinking about them, they're simply very h
17:30
can someone plz become a candidate to be mod?
there are already quite a few
i'm announcing my candidacy at four seasons total landscaping.
i'll just yell about some stuff and then go away
I'd take up your request but I a) don't have enough rep b) don't have enough other moderation stats c) don't have enough experience d) would probably be a bad candidate even with these :D
I wish there was a candidate who promised they won't log in ever again
you have enough rep to yell with me at four seasons total landscaping.
17:35
alright, I will join you at four seasons total landscaping then
@Asinomas I can't tell if you're serious or not but either way why?
To improve the experience of users of the site
I do wonder what would happen if all of us just suddenly stopped moderating for like, a week? a month? who knows
and what is your conclusion
or your thoughts
well, probably nobody would notice on my site
some kind of lord of the flies thing would play out
17:45
idk about other sites though. i think SO would start getting noticeable clutter, at least, and maybe this site too
@leslietownes are you insinuating that regular users of the site are like children who need supervision xD
math.SE would be a cesspool without moderation. which is not to say that i endorse all moderator decisions.
moderation occurs without moderators
moderators don't close or delete that much
that is by design
i take that back. it might be a cesspit and not a cesspool.
community moderators (the ones with high rep numbers) are responsible for the majority of site quality, we are here to handle exceptions that regular users aren't able to take care of
the Theory of Moderation is a good read
17:47
like what?
suspending users mostly
like vote fraud
ok that too
well dealing with vote fraud involves suspending the user
You can lock and suspend
I wish we could get a boomer who doesn't use the site as mod
preferably with 2 kids in college
that might be funny except i think the mod would just be unable to figure things out and nothing would happen
17:50
figure what out?
mostly joking that said boomer who doesn't use SE like you proposed wouldn't find the mod controls or whatever
i'll go out on a limb here and say that my boomer dad would be completely baffled by all of the buttons and widgets and just give up. which might be the direction of asinomas's point, but would not lead to a usable site either.
18:30
I’m a qualified boomer. But qualified how?
18:44
I don't know what generation I am supposed to be a part of. I was born in 1981, so a plurality of demographers call me a "millennial", but I alway hung out with people older than myself, and graduated high school in 1999 (which makes me more like an Xer).
Who am I?
You were born when I took my tenure-track job. You’re a baby.
@TedShifrin Okay, boomer.
:P
(That's what the kids say these days... "Okay, boomer," right?)
(Did I use it right?)
Don’t ask us old guys.
19:14
Yeah. How would we know?
@XanderHenderson So glad you have a lot of time to spare having fun! I imagine things have greatly lightened up for you. Great for you.
I mean that sincerely. Your at your best when you can lighten up once in a while. :-)
@TedShifrin that was the year I started grad school.
i feel more bummer than boomer
19:36
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Q: Surjective with constant rank is submersion nowhere dense

monoidaltransformCould someone elaborate on the argument presented in: Minimal requirements to be a submersion. Could someone clarify: Why is the set $\{y\in V: y^{r+1}=......=y^{n}=0\}$ nowhere dense?

19:54
Can someone please tell me what I'm missing here?
I know it shouldn't be this hard, but I can't figure out how to show that the integrand of the improper integral is equal to the second integral.
I guess I have to do some kind of substitution?
what did you get when you evaluated the hint expression?
Oh wait, I didn't evaluate it.
I'll do that really quick.
@Ted: here is what I find for the "generations":
Depression Era: 1912-1921
WWII: 1922-1927
Post-War: 1928-1945
Baby Boomers: 1946-1954
Boomers II: 1955-1965 (Generation Jones)
Generation X: 1966-1976
Generation Y: 1977-1994 (Millenials, Echo Boomers)
Generation Z: 1995-2012
@copper.hat I might be dumb.
@UnderMathUate you should probably try the hint before asking for help!
20:01
I have been trying for a while, but I misunderstood it.
I thought it meant show the equality algebraically -- hence why it was seemingly impossible.
@UnderMathUate it is the integrand that is equal to the second integral.
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The boundaries are fuzzy---I would be curious about your source, however. I don't know that I have ever seen anyone put the beginning of the millennial generation as early as 1977.
Yes, I see now where I went wrong. The lack of sleep is catching up.
20:05
@user178758 It is a wikipedia link---click on it (.svg images ain't gonna embed, I think).
@robjohn Thanks.
I don't know if svg is displayed here
@UnderMathUate See also there: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frullani_integral
I see it now, thanks 🙏🏼
20:07
@XanderHenderson http://socialmarketing.org/archives/generations-xy-z-and-the-others/
@DavidP Woah!!!!
Thanks for this. I had no idea this was a thing.
You're welcome.
does anybody know where I can find a proof to Doob's first stopping time theorem?
I wonder if covid-19 will create its own "generation"?
@user178758 I think that people born in 2000--2008ish (i.e. those in high school and college in the pandemic) are going to be a relatively cohesive cohort. I refer to them as "Generation Zoom".
20:17
Generation Alpha-CoV™
😷
Zoomers vs Boomers?
Wouldn't those conceived during or after the lockdown be zoomer boomers?
20:40
Generation Lockdown is probably better.
I still like "Generation Zoom". They are already called "Generation Z", so that works, and they are coming of age in Zoom (Google, Microsoft, WebEx, whatever) classrooms.
I saw 5 Cantonese slangs that allegedly primary school children in HK now use, and I understood 0 out of those 5
yeah, the new generation is going to have an opportunity to shape a whole new vocabulary about this pandemic
That the internet will, no doubt, help spread
21:05
cutting off X at or during 1980 seems fairly standard.
i was born in 1980 so never know where my loyalties lie.
My litmus test for millennials is “were you in K-12 when 9/11 happened”
That’s a bit broad maybe
that seems like a good test. seems less arbitrary than years.
Yeah. Focus less on years and more on what impact certain events had on you
Good point.
columbine might be another one. i have an impression that schools (perhaps understandably) lost their collective s--- after that.
there's also stuff where if you have an older sibling, you tend to absorb popular culture through them. my sister was born in '76 and i know more of what her cohorts thought was cool than my own.
21:19
Cross generational drift.
@leslietownes yeah. I was still in elementary school when that happened
i think with her influence i'm solidly gen x. i was out of college at 9/11. i remember the challenger disaster although thankfully we did not watch it live.
There's also the "ripple effect"
we were camping when the soviet union dissolved. i remember coming up to my dad and being like, hey, this sounds important. he thought i was exaggerating. i said, no, look, this looks important.
Ugh, watching challenger live probably messed a few kids up
21:21
a printed newspaper was involved. that might be a generational marker.
there was all this promotion over it because someone on the shuttle was a teacher.
What's the difference between the echo effect and the ripple effect for generations?
beats me.
i can help with that
since i'm on hold and need some outlet for violence
here's the stick. if anyone needs me i'll be unconscious.
21:30
:-)
::ding ding::
Let's get ready to rumble 🥊🥊
@leslietownes We saw it minutes after it happened. We were getting lunch at the Institute for Advanced Study when it happened.
oof.
i remember not understanding what was happening. the footage was silent.
the last recorded words from the shuttle were someone saying "uh oh." i think about that sometimes.
i got up to watch it. it was devastating.
Richard Feynman's famous conclusion to his report on the shuttle Challenger accident, which arose again in the Columbia accident, is "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled."
I wonder what famous concluding quote will come of this pandemic...
\o Ted
21:49
hubris is not new.
indeed
22:07
is there a name for the theorem that gives $l_1^* = l_\infty$? Reisz?
22:18
can we define a norm on a finite dimensional vector space $V$ that doesn't depend on any basis?
yes, look up Minkowski functional
22:39
@copper Wow, I’d never seen that before!
is there an easier one @copper.hat @TedShifrin ?
You could take finite-dimensional subspaces of $\ell^p$?
I was thinking more of on arbitrary fd vector spaces
Doubtful.
22:56
@monoidaltransform it is much simpler that it looks at first glance.
it ties the norm with the unit ball in a very concrete way.
and pseudo norms, should you go there.
@monoidaltransform not sure if this works for you, $\|x\| = \max_{t \in [0,1]} | x_1+t x_2+...+ t^{n-1} x_n|$.
it really depends on what you mean by 'depends on a basis'.
Seems to depend on coordinates, hence a basis. :)
Yeah, you are right.
the answer should be no in any meaningful sense
I still find it an amusing norm for reasons I cannot explain.
you would, in particular, be choosing a maximal compact subgroup of $\mathrm{GL}(V)$
these are all conjugate, so why prefer one over another without a basis in mind?

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