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it isn't wrong because it's the formula
"divide by 2a" isn't wrong
maybe technically the wrong thing is "because it cancels out"
user435118
@LeakyNun But how can it cancel out if it's not there in the first place?
ok this is the formula i'm referring to: if the indefinite integral of f(x) is g(x) + C, then the definite integral of f(x) from a to b is g(b) - g(a)
so "it cancels out" in the formula
user435118
@LeakyNun I see, I still wouldn't say "it cancels out" as I think that's wrong and just confusing, but I see why people would say that.
 
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01:42
i'm OK with that too.
my daughter is adamant that we buy cake. she can't understand birthdays without cake.
01:57
What about apple tart with calvados?
02:23
@LukasHeger kennst du die "Höhere Zyklusklassefunktion"?
@LukasHeger gibts $Ch^j(X,2j-i,\Bbb F_\ell) \to H^i(X, \Bbb F_\ell(j))$
die, wenn $2j-i$, gleichlich von der Zyklusklassefunktion ist
$Ch^j(X,\Bbb F_\ell) \to H^{2j}(X,\Bbb F_\ell(j))$
wo $X$ eine Varietat uber $\Bbb F_p$ ist, wo $p \ne \ell$
@LukasHeger kennst du etwas dieses?
cycle in German is Zykel, not Zyklus
ok danke
macht es Sinn dir?
well, there are cycle class maps for all Weil cohomology theories
so de Rham, Betti, étale, crystalline
02:36
yeah I was going to ask you about the construction but I guess you wouldn't be able to answer
@LukasHeger does "der" (zB ich sehe das Dokument, das du gesehen hast) work like latin "qui" in terms of the inflection?
@LeakyNun in what sense do you mean "work like"?
so the case is determined by its function in the subordinate clause (du hast es gesehen) instead of its function in the main clause (ich sehe es)
@LeakyNun yes that's true
so something like ich sehe das Dokument, dessen Seiten rote sind
@LeakyNun I think for étale cohomology you just take a pullback along the inclusion $Z \to X$ of a codimension $i$ irreducible subvariety and mess around with Poincaré duality
@LeakyNun *rot
otherwise correct
02:41
right, it's uninflected because it's "after" sein
adjectives work a bit different if you use them with "sein" in German vs. in Latin
ok thanks
@LukasHeger ja aber die Höher Zykelklassefunktion mich verwirrt
@LeakyNun *verwirrt mich
Is this a known change of independent variable for solving ODE's with variable coefficients? I saw it on page 93 of this textbook. Does it have a name? it is very nice. the book is by Markarets. differential equations.
I don't know about the higher cycle class function
02:42
und der Beweis, den ich finden kann, Spektralsequenzer benützt
and I don't think I can just mess around with the inclusion $Z \to X \times \Delta^{2j-i}$
because I don't see any map $H^{2j}(X \times \Delta^{2j-i}) \to H^i(X)$
@Nasser integrating factor, perhaps?
Nope @Leaky
@LeakyNun well, Künneth gives you a map $H^{2j}(X \times \Delta^{2j-i}) \to H^i(X) \otimes H^{2j-i}(\Delta^{2j-i})$
ah, ich hab Künneth vergessen
sehr interessant
maybe $H^{2j-i}(\Delta^{2j-i})=K$ (the coefficient field)? I don't know what $\Delta$ is here
$\Delta^n$ ist isomorph aus $\Bbb A^n$
aber es ist eine "Simplizialmenge"
also kannst du "Gesichte" nehmen
02:49
well in that case $H^{2j-i}(\Delta^{2j-i})=K$
was ist also $H^n(\Bbb A^n)$? ist es $0$?
so Künneth does give you a map of the type you want
warum ist es $K$?
oh right lol
hat es einen einfachen Beweis?
02:50
hmm
ich weiss dies nicht, dich frage ich
well for base field $\Bbb C$, it should be the singular cohomology of $\Bbb C^n$
but that's contractible
I admire Lukas’s patience auf deutsch
02:52
Could someone help me complete my proof? math.stackexchange.com/questions/4299894/…
or is it Luka patience
actually I think you need some assumptions for Künneth which we might not have here
complete varieties should be enough
but $\Bbb A^n$ is not complete
for general varieties, there's just a SES with some Tor-terms on the right
like in algebraic topology
surely there are theorems for comparing cohomology of $X \times \Bbb A^1$ with that of $X$?
no wait, if you tensor with $\Bbb Q_\ell$, the Tor-terms vanish
you only need those if you want integral $\ell$-adic cohomology
@LeakyNun I think because $\Bbb A^1$ only has cohomology in degree $0$, $X\times \Bbb A^1$ has the same cohomology groups as $X$
aber du hast gesagt, dass Künneth Komplettvarietäte braucht
03:00
well, I corrected myself on that
if you consider $\ell$-adic cohomology with coefficients in $\Bbb Q_\ell$, Künneth holds for all varieties
ok but what is $H^n(\Bbb A^n)$?
so this doesn't give us what we want...?
no I don't think so
der Beweis, der Spektralsequenzen benützt, benützt $H^q(X \times \Delta^p, \Bbb F_\ell(b))$
wo $b$ konstant ist
03:04
maybe the solution is to use cohomology with compact support?
und sie sagen, dass $E^1_{p-1,q} \to E^1_{p,q} \to E^1_{p+1,q}$ hat Kohomologie 0
wo $p > 1$
aber dass verstehe ich nicht
and even if I accept this, ich kann noch nicht sehen wie wir können unsere gewünschte Funktion haben
because I don't know how to make sure that the map $H^{2j}(X \times \Delta^{2j-i}, \Bbb F_\ell(j)) \to H^i(X,\Bbb F_\ell(j))$ that I end up with isn't just $0$
this whole spectral sequence thing sounds like they're taking diagonals but then the summands don't match up so you just end up getting 0 maps
is $j$ the dimension of $X$?
or is that unrelated?
@LukasHeger $j$ is the codimension of the cycles we are considering
so $0 \le j \le \dim X$
oh ok
and is there any condition on $i$?
03:28
@LukasHeger $0 \le i \le 2j$
we're considering cycles inside $X \times \Delta^{2j-i}$?
@LukasHeger yeah
and they need to intersect properly with all the subsimplices
so that you form a complex $\cdots \to z^j(X,2) \to z^j(X,1) \to z^j(X,0)$
where $z^j(X,i)$ are codimension-$j$ cycles in $X \times \Delta^i$ whose intersection with all the $X \times F$ has codimension $j$, across $F$ subsimplices
03:45
@LeakyNun I think I figured it out!
i'm all ears
Let $d$ be the dimension of $X$. Then if $Z$ has codimension $i$ in $X \times \Delta^{2j-i}$, $Z$ has dimension $d+2j-2i$
Note that we have if we work with cohomology with compact support $H_c^{2(2j-i)}(\Delta^{2j-i})=\Bbb F_\ell$
Now use Künneth for cohomology with compact support to get a map $H_c^{2(d-i)}(X)= H_c^{2(d-i)}(X) \otimes H_c^{2(2j-i)}(\Delta^{2j-i}) \to H_c^{2(d+2j-2i)}(X \times \Delta^{2j-i})$
now consider the inclusion $\iota:Z \hookrightarrow X \times \Delta^{2j-i}$, this induces a pullback map on cohomology with compact support $H_c^{2(d+2j-2i)}(X \times \Delta^{2j-i}) \to H_c^{2(d+2j-2i)}(Z)$
sollen wir erfordern, dass $X$ projektiv sei?
But as I said, the dimension of $Z$ is $d+2j-2i$, so $H_c^{2(d+2j-2i)}(Z)$ is just $\Bbb F_\ell$
So if we put that all together, we get a map $H_c^{2(d-i)}(X) \to \Bbb F_\ell$
which by Poincaré duality, corresponds to an element of $H^i(X)$
@LeakyNun not necessary, since we work with compact support
very interesting
vielen Dank!
03:58
np
@LukasHeger ja ich verstehe nicht, warum der Autor Spektralsequenzen benützt hat
I can't tell you that, either
not that my approach above is just a straightforward modification of the standard approach for the classical cycle map
+ some Künneth stuff
which I described above as taking the pullback and messing around with Poincaré duality
04:14
turned on the heat tonight. i guess it's winter now.
04:25
True or false. There exists a function $f:{\Bbb R^*}^n\to\Bbb R$ such that the Hausdorff dimension of a set $X\in\Bbb R^n$ equals $\sup_{x\in X^*}f(x)$, where $\Bbb R^*$ are the hyperreals and $X^*$ is the hyper extension of $X$
nope
hyper-nope, in fact
I'm like 80% sure this is true
Some hyperreals are really hard to approximate by reals
and it corresponds to the Hausdorff dimension of the set required to contain the approximation
my hyper-nope doesn't mean 'false' by the way. it means i hyper-deny the premises of the question. it probably is true.
Hmmmm actually it probably is false
Crap
hyper-crap
04:32
@leslietownes excuse me, I take offense to this mockery of my name (:P)
we thought you weren't here, hyper. it never would have happened if it we thought it wasn't happening behind your back.
unlucky timing, I suppose - I looked over to the sidebar and just saw "hyper-crap" :D
hahaha that's very bad. to be clear, my criticism is directed at the hyperreals and all who employ them.
except for akiva who is great.
$T\in L(V)$ and suppose that there is a basis w.r.t. which T has an upper triangular matrix M(T) and let dim V=n. Then, if all diagonal entries of the matrix are non zero, then T is invertible. Proof: Showing range T =V suffices to prove the result. Let $v_1,...,v_n$ be the basis (let's call it B) w.r.t. which T has M(T). range T=span ($Tv_1,...,Tv_n$). RHS is isomorphic to $span([Tv_1]_B,...,[Tv_n]_B)$, which is column space of the matrix $([Tv_1]_B,...,[Tv_n]_B)$,
yeah, the idea is that the nonzeroness and triangularity means each T v_n is outside the span of the previous T v_k's.
someone asked something related to this on main a while ago.
some editions of some linear algebra textbook (which i'd taught out of!) had a typo in some examples of the theorem.
04:42
whose column space won't change by doing column operations and since diagonal entries are non-zero, we can convert the matrix to an identity matrix using column operations. Hence the matrix is of dimension $n$. It follows that span $([Tv_1]_B,...,[Tv_n]_B)$ is of dimension $n$ that is, $range T$ is of dimension $n$. This proves the claim. :)
Hi @Leslie.
guten morgen.
This is a theorem in LADR and I was trying to prove it using matrices :)
Good morning :)
this is where LADR might diverge from a 'normal' linear algebra book. most people think of invertibility of A as a question about solvabilityo f Ax = b, row and column spaces, gaussian elimination. which is one view.
i gave the axler-ish view above.
the nonzeroness lets you do 'backsubstitution' to solve Ax = b for x.
a refinement of the result is that under those hypotheses, dim T {v_1, ..., v_k} = k for all 1 <= k <= n. the k = n case tells you that T is invertible.
yes of course, that's true. Because in an upper /_\ matrix, $Tv_i$ is in span $(Tv_1,...,Tv_i)$ :)
i love LADR. axler is a nice guy. i have never met him but we corresponded a few times via email. we had mutual friends.
04:48
@Koro if M(T) is upper triangular, then the determinant is the product of the diagonal entries
booooo. we don't use the D-word here.
@Leslie: Prof. Axler is on mse too :)
his advisor was someone i worked with a lot in grad school. i think he's still in the bay area.
@Lukas: yes, I know that. But LADR textbook avoids using determinants (determinants chapter is the last chapter in LADR) :)
05:10
he should have stuck to his guns and not included them at all.
 
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06:58
My college math department is holding a logo design contest.
 
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13:51
I feel like the real point of Axler isn’t “determinants are bad” but that there’s no reason to use them for eigenvalue problems
Which is where you so often see them used to define the characteristic polynomial
 
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15:27
Let $f(z) = e^{\frac{z+1}{z-1}}$. I am trying to argue that $|f(z)| < 1$ for all $z \in \Bbb{D}$. It's not difficult to argue that $|f(z)| = 1$ if $z$ is any point on the unit circle other than $1$. I would like to just simply apply the maximum modulus principle at this point; however, there is a singularity at $z=1$ which I don't believe is removable, so $f$ isn't continuous in the boundary of $\Bbb{D}$.
Am I mistaken about $z=1$ being a non-removable singularity? If not, how do I argue $|f(z)| < 1$ for all $z \in \Bbb{D}?
16:05
semi: determinants are basically unavoidable in multivar changes of variables. other than that, they are objectively bad, even if axler is ok with them (and therefore wrong)
16:15
user, would the same methods you use to conclude |f|=1 on the boundary not apply inside the disc? since |e^z| = e^(Re z), isn't this just about where the fractional linear transformation (z+1)/(z-1) sends the unit disc (not just its boundary, but its interior)?
shouldn't that thing map a disc to either another disc or a half plane, and then it's just, what disc or what half plane
I don't think so. On the interior, I was able to show that $|f| < 1$.
Hmm...I see. The problem did mention something about $z \mapsto \frac{z+1}{z-1}$ being conformal being helpful.
sup |f| on any region is just sup Re f on the same region. the region will be a disc or half plane (making it easy in principle to identify the sup)
i.e. draw the thing and go as far right as possible :)
So, are we trying to argue that $f$ is bounded near $z=1$?
we're just analyzing f on the interior of the disc. i don't think it's necessary to reach how f might be behaving elsewhere.
maybe that falls out of the analysis, i don't know.
Can I pick someone's brain on Probabilities?

If I have 2 independent events. Event A: has a 33% Change-to-B / 67% Stay the same
and Event B: has a 100% Change-to-A / 0% Stay the same

Is there a way way to calculate the % of an Event continously changing from A-B-A-B?
16:23
my guess would be .33*1*.33*1, assuming one begins in state A.
Wait, I misspoke. I wasn't able to show that $|f|<1$---that's precisely what I am trying argue! I am being an idiot. Give me a second and I'll type up what I have (max. mod. isn't needed/helpful).
i was wondering about that. i'd figure out what that fractional linear transformation does. enough to figure out what happens to three points, like i, -i, and -1.
I was able to show that if $z \in \Bbb{D}$, then $Re(\frac{z+1}{z-1}) < 0$. Hence, since $x \mapsto e^x$ is a strictly increasing function, we have that $$|f(z)| = |e^{\frac{z+1}{z-1}}| = e^{Re(\frac{z+1}{z-1})} < e^0 = 1$$ for every $z \in \Bbb{D}$.
it looks like i, -i, -1 all get mapped to the imaginary axis. because 0 maps to -1 this means the image of the unit disc under that transformation is the left half-plane.
yeah.
i guess it's enough to figure out what happens to four points. you need to know not just where the boundary goes but what side of it you end up on under the transformation.
i remember mentally completely skipping the section on fractional linear transformations when i took my first complex analysis class.
it seemed boring. it still kind of does. don't tell anyone.
16:32
don't get me started on contour integration. use a semicircle! use a keyhole contour! use some adrenaline, injected right into my heart, or i will fall asleep from how boring all of this is.
I was thinking something similar. But if I go 4 cycles of A-B-A-B vs A-A-A-A

I get 1/9 vs 8/81... and 0.111... > 0.0987654320...
even another round
1/27 > 32/729

But as I apply an infinite series of iterations ... one trends to 0, while the other is Non-0....
at my undergrad, the #1 way to be a beloved postdoc was to teach complex analysis like calculus 1 and just assign contour integrals as homework.
Yuck, that's awful.
the word on the street was "complex analysis is easy, it's just calculus again," unless you had the ill fortune to actually take it from someone who bothered to teach it.
not enough is said about the mediocrity of postdoc teaching. i guess because it's unkind, and although highly general it feels like you are singling particular people out.
the game at my undergrad was to try to take every one of the major requirements from a postdoc, because they were easy. not hard to accomplish that goal, either.
wait... 1/27 = 0.03 & 32/729 = 0.04

My bad.... that's where they separate..
16:36
houshou what is unintuitive about this? i'm not contesting the point, just wondering. which sequences having small probabilities, or being potentially more likely than other sequences, seem unusual to you.
The unintuitive part was trying to calculate the A-B-A-B Probability. I wasn't certain if I was applying the Multiplication rule correctly.
it looks OK to me. have you tried modeling experimentally in software? this is the ultimate test.
.... No.... As I don't know how.
I've been using Excel
off the top of my head i don't know how to do this in excel. probably can be done, but not the natural place for it.
... That's the nicest way I've seen that statement said.
16:44
Okay, so now that I got the first part figured out, how about the second part. The second part asks me to show that $|f(z)| = 1$ for almost every $z$ on the unit circle. But this is easy, right, because $Re(\frac{z+1}{z-1}) = 0$ for every $z \neq 1$ on the unit circle, and certainly $\{1\}$ is a set of measure $0$. Does this seem right?
yeah. 'almost every' is something of an understatement.
understatement is the order of the day.
negative effects of the time change: daughter wakes up before 6 am. positive effects: she is usually ready for day care by 7:45. (this never happened before)
Question: If you were trying to show something using a table in Latex, would you rather build the table using the \begin{tabular} or insert a screen shot image?
i'd build in some form in native latex. easier to modify later and more accessible for users.
unless there's something specific about the graphics in the presentation that seems hard to capture in latex. then i'd just render wherever i wanted and drop it in.
someone probably knows this better than i do but i wonder how latex integrates with spreadsheets or csv. e.g. for a table of numbers that might be recalculated in a spreadsheet when new or different data arrives.
16:51
I'm trying to show a pattern.
absolutely nobody uses this functionality in word/excel. i showed my wife how to do it, and i still see her manually typing in three-digit numbers with decimal points in them, and redoing it.
I have the pattern. it exists. but I find it easier to "see/show"
there are sometimes reasons for this. my job has a document management system that lets you open multiple documents from the system at once, but won't let them 'talk' to each other because it creates disjoint copies in weird places that destroy any links between them.
(Sorry, I keep getting interrupted)
With colored cells
oof, with colored cells. this is something word/excel could do handily. i dunno about latex.
16:53
It's just "easier" to show the pattern with colored cells.
Is there a way to alter the Font Color in the \begin{tabular} code?
i would hope so but don't know. something in this ballpark might be a good question for the latex SE. in particular, if anyone has implemented linking latex tables to documents in other places, or something resembling conditional formatting.
Okay. I'll jump over there. Thank you
17:32
you'd actually kind of expect this, e.g. from "big data" people. but i'm not aware of a package.
ted you missed the fun. moebius transformations and a g--m-t--c-l understanding of same were involved.
\usepackage{xcolor}
with \textcolor{<color>}{<text>} - Colors Fonts
and \colorbox{<color>}{<text>} - Highlights Text

Package xcolor has 19 colors. There's other ways to load individual colors or another package for more.

interesting
*Fyi
i could see something like that interacting with an excel-generated .CSV where you do the conditional formatting on the excel side. but there would be a need for some kind of script in the middle to generate the tex.
for now... Copy/paste works, when I'm primarily using it for highlighting with the same color
ah. that's handy. i was thinking of stuff like, highlight one color if p < .001 and another if .001 <= p < .01. or some kind of continuous shading of that. maybe nobody is doing this.
Yeah. I'm using to show a pattern on a table. so... it looks messy, code-wise as I have to add it into each cell of the tables. But it is accomplishing what I want it to do. Making the pattern easier to see
Now it's a matter of formatting the table and introducing my predictions.... Gods. I wish I could just submit my excel journal
17:50
i've been telling my wife for over 10 years that she needs some way of automating the process of putting things from spreadsheets into papers. word does allow for this but she's never taken the plunge. it would be simpler if people could just submit excel.
Personally, for me. It really would. I've already done all this work with formulas in Excel. Showing a pattern. A pattern of growth. How that Pattern trends to 33% / 67%.

Which then translates into a Probability Trend of 0% and Non-0%
When applying number theory and infinity on a certain Non-Linear Recurrence Relation.
Transcribing it to a Tex Document for submission is a pain
hi koro.
Hi Leslie :)
18:31
Hi.
Studying a bit of math a question came to my mind. We use mathematical analysis in physics frequently, which assumes quantities infinitely small. Hence, we are assuming that matter behaves like that, we can "think" in infinitely small quantities of matter. Right?
mm, i dunno. analysis as normally done does not involve infinitely small anything, only arbitrarily small things. in physics the models are chosen to mimic reality in some aspects but not others. e.g. the fact that mass, matter, angular momentum, etc. might be quantized in some models and continuous in others is just a choice of modeling.
For example, for riemman sums we divide the particle in $n$ but then we make $n\to \infty$
But then the same riemman sum is used to compute the mass of a line of copper with linear density $\rho = kx$.
With $\int_0^L kxdx$
Okay, i guess everyone would agree here. But here comes my question
It is known the Gabriel's Horn paradox.
@Odestheory12 they don’t really assume things are infinitely small. They just use that language.
Yes, Gabriel’s horn was one of my favorite puzzles for calculus students.
18:39
That question just came to my mind. It broke me :D
So why?
Like, we are asumming things infinitely small in physics but to solve that paradox we can't assume that the paint pot is made of infinitely small particles
the revolution stuff is a subtlety but not really the point. for any positive a_n with sum a_n convergent it is possible to imagine unit boxes with heights a_n that fulfill the same role.
What is the issue with Gabriel?
It’s not the paint pot particles.
We should postulate a "mathematical" paint that is infinitely divisible (or infinitely thinnable) which doesnt make sense in physics
18:44
You still haven’t explained why there is or is not a paradox.
The horn has finite volume but infinite surface area, which means we would require a finite amount of pain to fill the volume but infinite amount of paint for the surface
But wait, yeah, you have to assume that paint to be infinitely divisible which doesnt happen in physics
Right.
So no paradox :D
So filling the horn with paint doesn’t paint the sides. That seems paradoxical.
Why infinitely divisible ?
Yeah, but just figured out is not. To be paradoxical we should assume the paint to be infinitely divisible.
18:48
I don’t like that language at all.
Because in the riemman sum we are making each subinterval infinitely divisible
No, no. That has nothing to do with it,
Uhm really?
That 's the reason of my confusion then uhm
The issue comes from integrals to infinity. These are not even Riemann integrals. They are limits of Riemann integrals.
What is the physical issue, precisely, with painting the sides?
Yes
The issue is that we would require an infinite amount of paint to paint the sides but we would require a finite amount of paint to fill the volume generated by rotating the surface
But filling the volume should also paint the sides, but the correspondent integral is divergent
Which is contradictory
By the way i found this paradox in my calculus book of Robert Adams but just came to my mind
I think i am assuming a horn with a layer of finite width in my head
19:02
is every complex irreduicble representation of $C_n$, the cyclic group of order $n$ finite dimensional?
Gonna give an example of what is confusing me about "infinitely small quantities": When computing the mass of a wire of variable composition streched along the x-axis, (assume from $x=0$ to $x=L$) with density $\rho=kx$, we solve the integral $m = \int_0^L kx dx$. This is a riemann integral.
C_n can certainly act on infinite dimensional spaces. do you mean irreducible reps?
yes @leslietownes
yeah, i think so. dim 1 and 2 might be it.
its abelian so must be dim 1
but why
must all irreducible reps of C_n be finite dimensional
?
19:11
@Odestheory12 You still haven't stated it precisely. Why is it contradictory? Your last sentence seems to be the relevant thing. Paint molecules have a positive diameter. So what happens eventually?
@TedShifrin Assuming a horn with a layer of finite width would give an infinite volume instead of finite.
Oh. Suppose $V$ is an irreducible representation of $C_n$ choose $v\in V\backslash \{0\}$. Then $V'=span(gv: g\in C_n)$ is finite dimensional and is a subrepresentation of V$.
1 is a finite number
@Odestheory12 This sentence makes no sense to me.
@Thorgott Oh no!
@Thorgott right. Butwhy irreducible representations of a finite group are finite dimensional is what i'm asking
19:15
you were talking about $C_n$, not any finite group
but what you just said above works to show that for any finite group, the irreps are finite-dimensional
Hmm, must be the Weyl trick somewhere.
@TedShifrin I mean, because painting molecules have a positive diameter, we can't pain the "sides", we would be painting a volume
Ah, OK, and so you're saying the volume has to be infinite. But I'm looking for the physical explanation of the paradox. You haven't quite given it to me.
That's the physical explanation. We can not pain the surface of the horn. There is no painting molecules with 0 diameter. Also it would require an infinite amount of time
What I wanted you to say is that you cannot in fact fill the horn with paint.
19:20
Uhm
Also, if the surface area is $\infty$ and the thickness is 0, then $\infty\cdot 0$ is indeterminate
quantization ruins everything.
This is getting worse, not better.
:)
Yeah, regarding the mass of that wire
That integral is equivalent to $\displaystyle \lim_{n(P) \rightarrow \infty \atop\|P\| \rightarrow 0} \sum_{i=1}^{n} f\left(c_{i}\right) \Delta x_{i}$
Do you agree that what I said is the main physical point?
19:25
Do not think of integrals in terms of infinitesimal whatevers ...
How to calculate my iq. Please share yours
@TedShifrin Uhm yeah, that's confusing me. I am associating the integral with the correspondent Riemann sum, which yields me to think we are "partitioning" infinitely that wire
But the mass can't be divided infinitely, which forces my brain to go in 404 mode
No, this leads to sloppy thinking and not good mathematics.
Uhm but then why does it work? :D
Any Riemann sum is an approximation, just as a secant line is an approximation to the tangent line. You don't have to think about "infinity" or "infinitesimals" ever.
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Mathematics is about approximating things, hopefully better and better.
There is no limiting Riemann sum.
19:34
Uhm. I guess its because i truly think physics can be modeled perfectly with math.
So I try to compute the riemman sum in the wire itself instead of viewing it as an approximation (or the best of the approximations)
Is it always relatively simple to solve quasilinear first order PDEs using the Lagrange method, or does the method only work for semilinear problems and the occasional, nice strictly quasilinear problem?
What does argth stand for?
Inverse tanh or something ?
Argument of the hyperbolic tangent?
Not sure
It's a good word for an index determined by the argument to a function, maybe a programming function. "Consider the arg'th element of this array..."
It comes from Europe. The guy that posted it didn’t even tell me …
19:39
Oh let me check in my book
$\operatorname{Arg}$ Th $y=\log \sqrt{\frac{1+y}{1-y}}$
I think that’s what I said, actually.
Sets are enclosed using the curly brackets, right?
nobody asked but i am against these abbreviations.
That's what I thought...sorry. I chat/talk to put my thoughts in order
its an abbreviation for aaarrrrghhh, wtf?
when someone stands on your toe, for example.
19:51
Haha
Btw thanks @TedShifrin
This little questions are like a deja vu from the past
Did you know that appellation, @copper?
Nothing to do with arg, it seems to me. Horrid abbreviation.
@TedShifrin No, never saw it. Maybe someone for whom English is not their first language?
I think it's a European abbreviation. The person who used it is French. Where are @Astyx and @Thor when we need them?
I'm trying to form an intuition about submodular set functions. I never expected my daughter to pass me out so quickly...
I've seen that abbreviation in complex analysis
Arg(z)
19:57
never seen argth lol
Yeah same
I thought the abbreviation was CBY

Short for: Charlie Brown Yell
And i am from Europe :P
argth sounds like some kind of sci fi premise. never heard of it in real life.
must be from the continent
i'm about to go off on the continental breakfast again...
19:58
No, I'm wrong. This is not inverse hyperbolic tangent.
@TedShifrin eating
where else?
Tu connais argth, @Astyx?
It isn't the inverse hyperbolic tangent?
That would also be my guess
Well, it's not quite. If I put $y=e^x$, then $\tanh x = \dfrac{y^2-1}{y^2+1}$.
So I need the inverse function of that, then take log. Does it come out right?
I went to office hours and my CS professor asked me to excuse his slow speaking, as he had been at the University all-night working on a project. I couldn't help but be slightly inspired.
20:02
Oh, maybe it does.
It does
Yup, I scribbled, and it does.
Why arg instead of arc? C'est foutu!
To maximize confusion
just write $\operatorname{tanh}^{-1}$ like a decent human being and complain when you get it confused with $1/\operatorname{tanh}$
or $\operatorname{th}$ if you're feeling lazy
Also, has anyone here heard of Sophie Germain?
I'm always lazy.
20:05
Actually, answering to my last question, yes, the matter is assumed to be infinitely divisible. I didnt study continuum mechanics yet and it seems that concept of infinitely small in physics is studied there
@UnderMathUate yes
@UnderMathUate Yes.
Still looking for a math history topic?
Yes, yes I am.
My professor said she might be someone worth looking into when I mentioned FLT.
Fast Lourier Transform?
Lol, Fermat's Last Theorem.
Wait, I can't tell if you were joking just then.
20:08
I was
Ah, ok.
Not going to lie, I was hoping someone was going to go on a highly informational tangent on Sophie Germain once I mentioned her.
Did you read her wikipedia page?
I was just looking at it a little bit ago.
Oh, wait, duh. I can check the references at the bottom.
 
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21:55
Salut ! @TedShifrin @Astyx
@LeakyNun how many languages do you communicate in?
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