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5:00 PM
lol
 
@Koro Thanks. I might read it if I ever need to contruct ℝ from ℚ.
And that should be the time after I get confortable with ℝ analysis.
@leslietownes Here is where I think my problem lies.
Let S = { x : x∈ℝ ∧ x·x ≤ 2 }.
...
Let m∈ℝ such that S ≤ m ∧ ∀u∈ℝ ( S ≤ u ⇒ m ≤ u ).  [completeness]
...
If m·m > 2:
    [adhoc]
    ⊥
If m.m < 2
    [adhoc]
    ⊥
I dont get the motivation behind the "[adhoc]" part of the proof.
 
@thor and @Ted, sorry, I may have misunderstood the context.
 
@Koro Its fine =)
 
Seriously, @Prithu. If you are going to inhabit this chat room, you need to type in MathJax and stop pasting in garbage.
 
prithu the idea is to use properties of the squaring function and clever choices to show that if m^2 is bigger than 2 you can find something smaller than m that also squares to something bigger than 2. this turns out to contradict one of the properties of m.
 
5:06 PM
@TedShifrin (._.)
 
same with the other case, but with 'smaller' and 'bigger' interchanged. the arithmetic and choices behind these formulas are not very illuminating. they involve somewhat arbitrary choices, and leverage the specificity of the squaring function.
 
o.9
what's good my dudes
 
for a similar amount of work and minus some of the arbitrary choices, but more abstraction, you could prove the IVT.
 
o.9
I made a reddit post for lesliecoin at cryptomoonshots I think it's gonna pump soon
 
Oh, @leslie will be either a tycoon or in prison.
 
5:08 PM
the choices that guide those arguments are from people playing with algebraic formulas to see what they can simply prove is bigger than 2, or smaller than 2, using a small number of order hypotheses.
this is not a useful life skill.
yeah lesliecoin is going to blow up. everyone who bought early is going to retire to their own island.
where we will defend ourselves from people who bought late, and the authorities.
 
I never heard anyone retire to their own island. hahaha
 
Oh oh ... "defend ourselves" sounds like a MAGA gun-toter.
 
o.9
yes
protect ourselves is the correct terminology
 
The good news, @leslie, is that I sold all my AT&T stock yesterday.
 
o.9
congrats
it's about to pump tho
 
5:13 PM
I sold it because of their despicable actions, not because of its decline in value.
Of course, most big companies are despicable, so it's sort of hopeless.
 
i only invest in index funds so i can "who, me?" over all of it.
 
Feigning innocence, as usual.
 
also my job has a constant-changing list of like 5000 stocks i can't own, or have to disclose owning, and it's just simpler not to. but yeah the AT&T thing was scummier than usual.
 
Unfortunately, I have few options for cable/internet and so ... for now I'm stuck. Ugh.
 
yeah, the limited options for internet, bundling cable and internet, bundling channels with other channels. very hard to exercise freedom of choice.
which is just how they want it.
 
5:17 PM
Anyhow, I think life would be fine without the intermediate value theorem. Who says we need it?
(What's worse is that Tennis Channel, which I watch a lot, is owned by Sinclair. Utterly despicable.)
 
my best friend is going to hate it when i tell her that. i'm going to ruin her day with that.
she watches a lot of tennis channel, and will probably vomit.
i don't think we need the IVT. life's more fun without it.
 
o.9
use onlyfans instead of cable
 
but the CEO of sinclair is my top tipper on onlyfans. i can't escape it
 
That doesn't help if I can't get things I want, @o.9
 
o.9
onlyfans has a wide variety of content
 
5:21 PM
@leslie Your best friend will no doubt hate me.
Notice that the derivative has the intermediate value property even without continuity :P
 
exactly. and who cares if there are tons of nonconstant functions with derivative identically zero. the +C in integration has always been a myth.
 
Yes, and misapplied by students who forget that their domain is disconnected.
 
prithu some methods of computing sqrt(2) rely on sequences generated by a specialization of newton's method, which at least generalizes beyond squaring and polynomials and gives some intuition for where the method 'comes from.' if i recall correctly, the sequences you get are not hard to analyze, but maybe slightly subtler than the ones that other proofs choose. maybe worth checking out.
 
o.9
that's called darboux's theorem
 
I did always warn my students about that. Nor did I act like high school teachers and take off points for missing $+C$. However, when they had to solve an ODE with an initial value, I nailed them if they didn't have the $+C$.
@o.9 One star for you.
 
5:24 PM
@leslietownes I don't own any AT&T (that I know of), but what did they do now?
 
they essentially created, and largely fund, OAN.
 
Beat me to it.
 
o.9
that's my favorite cryptotoken
 
@leslietownes Ack! They still provide my phone service so I have to be careful what I say ;-)
 
I quit them for phone years ago, but still cable/internet :(
 
5:28 PM
well as ted noted, we can basically assume that any of our internet/phone/whatever providers are powering everything we use by throwing orphans and puppies into a wood chipper. so maybe AT&T is not a big deal.
maybe ted didn't note that. i'm paraphrasing.
 
LOL, I was about to say precisely that.
That had the tone of leslie-speak
 
Apparently, atoms are complex algebraic surfaces.
 
o.9
I didn't know Atiyah used his initials like that
 
Oh good. The hydrogen atom is $\Bbb CP^2$.
 
Yeah lol
Adding a neutron is blowing up
 
5:36 PM
@leslietownes Now I am kind of lost at this point about where should I study real-analysis ? should I study from point-set toplogy ? which book:abbot? ruding? spivak? Are there a hierarchy of theorem I can prove?

I am just completely lost...
 
I am very tempted to learn the necessary AG to read the paper and make the complex algebraic periodic table lolol
 
I will be curious to see what happens by the time you get to Lawrencium, et al., @Balarka.
 
Lol
 
Oh, sorry. Laurencium.
 
prithu it is an interesting question with no single right answer. analysis-oriented books vary a lot in how much topology they put in. and in how much they focus on counterexamples and higher levels of generality vs. merely justifying what you might see in a 'calculus' book.
 
5:40 PM
There is a definitive invasion of PSQs today. I've put in four or five votes to close within minutes.
 
i don't think rudin is a great introduction. it has some good chapters and some bad chapters and an introductory student won't be able to tell which is which. some of the proofs are legendarily inscrutable.
 
I'm always a fan of Spivak's Calculus ... certainly not Rudin unless one is quite advanced.
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The main issue with Spivak is getting through the first few chapters with grains of salt.
 
for a newer book, i like thomas koerner's "companion to analysis." published by AMS in the USA. if you look on the internet archive, there are some very-close-to-final drafts on the author's website.
 
Never heard of it ... but heading off for now.
 
@leslietownes bad chapters?
 
5:53 PM
meaning, chapters that are a distraction from what most people look to in an introduction to real analysis, or are just poorly written. people don't agree on which chapters are bad, but a lot of people feel rudin has this issue
 
@Prithubiswas i recommend gamelin again, the first part was great for self-study of point-set topology
basically covers the same ground as rudin but more user-friendly
 
@shintuku Idk . If a book is boring , very theorem heavy and has almost no conceptual flaws, then I might choose that. I will check the book out .
 
in any case the material is less than 30 pages so don't spend too much time deciding what book to use hehe
 
6:23 PM
@Koro You might enjoy the short story Unreasonable Effectiveness by Alex Kasman, which is set on an island. Kasman is a mathematician & author. He maintains a very comprehensive list of mathematical fiction, which has descriptions & reviews of over 1000 stories, and links to free versions, when available.
 
you didn't ask, but my opinion of rudin's PMA is that the chapters 2 and 8-11 are bad and best replaced with other material (maybe a tiny bit of the topology of 2???) or skipped (everything else)
chapter 2 is almost an orphan from another text, so little of the generalities introduced there are used in the rest of the book
also everything about constructing reals in chapter 1
maybe all of chapter 1
 
what's a nice constant that's very very big? e.g. i need a very big constant to justify my sketch of the isocline of $y = \frac{-x}{y'}$ on the x-axis by setting $y'$ equal to that constant
 
45306
 
does it have any nice property other than being bigger than not big
because let's be reasonable here, 45306 is just barely big, and it might even be a contentious affair
 
it's B0FA in hexadecimal?
 
6:30 PM
in terms of nice big constants, the rating of 45306 is clearly either one or two stars, unless it has some cool properties
 
2969231077?
what is the constant going to justify? i don't understand the purpose
 
sketching an isocline on the x-axis of a differential equation whose slope on the x-axis is visually vertical, i.e. setting $y' = \textrm{biiig constant}$ in $y=\frac{-x}{y'}$
 
@leslietownes Slower than Newton's method, but slightly simpler, so a little easier to work with is $x_{n+1} = \frac{x_n+2}{x_n+1}$, which comes from the continued fraction of $\sqrt 2$. Newton's method doubles $n$ on each loop.
 
any big constant will do, but see, since practical differences play no part, we're now in the domain of style
 
Also, we can reverse that iteration to do a Fermat-style infinite descent proof that $\sqrt 2$ is irrational.
 
6:34 PM
that or newton's are exercises in rudin's chapter 3. i do like those exercises, although it wouldn't have killed him to say where the sequences were coming from. :)
i once had a phone number that was prime. i sometimes use that when i need a big but not too big number.
 
that's very cool hahahah
 
I'm pretty sure that historically, the main motivation in studying continued fractions was their connection to solving the Pell equation.
 
i should start checking known phone numbers for primes
 
i told that to somebody once and they looked at me like i was crazy. what, i said, you've never factored your phone number? what's wrong with you?
at least check if it spells something rude.
 
thing is phone numbers are sort of dissapearing. nowadays i sometimes even forget mine
 
6:38 PM
When I was a kid, we had 7 digit phone numbers in my city (Sydney). One day, I dialled the first 7 digits of pi. I got a shock & immediately hung up when the phone was answered.
 
thankfully forms are there to remind me that i need to know my phone number
 
i did have to add the 1 + area code before i got a prime number
 
@PM2Ring that person probably gets regular calls like that hehe
 
PM: i feel like you missed an opportunity there, although i can't imagine what it would have been. ask them for the next 7 digits of pi?
we were very limited in my hometown, there were only a handful of local exchanges you could dial without running long distance charges, and none of them were very good alphabetically.
 
I was only 13 or 14. I should have at least apologized for bothering them. :(
Our phone numbers were strictly numerical. But there were some ancient payphones that did have letters as well as numerals on the dial.
 
6:42 PM
when i was a grad student in the ee building in cory hall in berkeley, the phone number of a nearby student spelled michael. to confuse things, another student in the cube next to me was named michael, and to add further confusion, his last name was, you guessed it, jackson.
lots of silly calls.
 
haha
looks like it's now assigned to someone in the public health department.
time to see how michael is doing
michael's not picking up
 
Hello guys
Does anyone know how to calculate the prime counting function for 10^12 in under 2 seconds in a normal computer?
all submissions on yosupo seem to be the same judge.yosupo.jp/problem/counting_primes
 
7:08 PM
i forget how i did this the last time i did it. i don't think it would have done it in 2 seconds. well, maybe with playing some games about what a 'normal' computer is. but whatever online judge i was feeding it to did not give me that many cycles.
 
Mathematica gives 37607912018 in about 3 seconds.
 
that's weak sauce :/
 
Here's that infinite descent proof of the irrationality of $\sqrt2$.
$$1<x \implies 1<x<x^2$$
So
$$1<\sqrt2<2$$
Assume $\sqrt2$ is rational, i.e., $\exists \frac pq =\sqrt2$
Firstly,
$$1<\frac pq<2$$
$$q<p<2q<2p$$
so
$$0<p-q<q$$
and
$$0<2q-p<p$$
Now
$$p^2=2q^2$$
$$p^2-pq=2q^2-pq$$
$$p(p-q)=q(2q-p)$$
Both $q>0$ and $p-q>0$, so we can divide.
$$\frac pq=\frac{2q-p}{p-q}$$
So we have a new fraction, where the numerator & denominator on the RHS are positive and lower than the numerator & denominator on the LHS. We can repeat this process indefinitely. But that leads to a contradiction, since an
 
Given an m times m matrix $M$ and a postiive integer n, how to compute $M^n$ efficiently
I would assume that use Strassen algorithm on $M\times M$ then multiple the results with next $M$ and so on... WHAT do you thiink please?
 
you can start with simple stuff, like compute M^powers of 2 via iterated squaring (however you multiply two matrices), and then group the ones you need to get M^n for any n.
strassen is a possibility, although the last time i remember looking at this, you needed M or n or both to be pretty big to really notice a difference
i think there is stuff provably better than strassen asymptotically, but the implicit constants might be so big that in practical terms it's not worth it
if M has structure or is not that big, the stuff that is asymptotically good in general might not be as good as more specific approaches
 
7:24 PM
@PM2Ring I always thought it went: we have $(p,q)=1$ and $p^2=2q^2$ implies that $2\mid p$ and $4\mid p^2=2q^2$ so $2\mid q$, thus $2\mid(p,q)$.
 
@leslietownes. Thanks! Wow you know a lot. So, you mean keep squaring 2 matrices at a time and then again multiply all results from all ?
What about multiple 2 and take another and multiply it by them ....
What are the cons of thsi approach pls?
 
@robjohn Everyone knows that proof, though. ;) I wanted to show a different way, that doesn't use divisibility.
 
@leslietownes. Why you think you approach is better than the one I asked please?
 
@Avra Leslie's method is a very ancient algorithm, applied to exponents. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_multiplication
 
@PM2Ring. So this could be applied on matrcies too?
 
7:29 PM
@Avra Indeed
 
@robjohn. :/ So this is what you know for now as the efficient approach please?
 
@Avra If you want to do $M^{1024}$, your approach requires 1023 multiplications, Leslie's approach requires 10 squarings.
 
Nothing else comes to your mind
@PM2Ring. Let me think please
 
avra: it's something you can do with any multiplication algorithm to reduce the number of multiplications from the n that one might at first think are needed to compute M^n. it doesn't speed up individual multiplications.
 
@Avra That, or modding out by the characteristic polynomial to get an answer in terms of lower powers of the matrix
 
7:32 PM
This is a fairly standard algorithm used on computers for calculating powers.
 
@PM2Ring. YEAH!!
I remember it now
@leslietownes. @robjohn. You are unbelievable folks
How you remember all of this :(
I got it. (M^2) to get M^1024 is by keep multiplying suqres
We need 10 multiplications total :(
 
yep
 
:(
 
another consideration is if M is going to be changing over time (and how), or if you will need lots of different powers of the same matrix over time, or just one of them. something that seems slow because it requires a certain up-front investment in precalculation might be better if you have to do it a lot with the same (or similar) ingredients.
 
in what sort of book does one learn about square root of matrices?
 
7:40 PM
Kato
 
@shintuku. Start with Prof Strang
In grad level go for matrix theory
I also like Prof Lay C
 
@Avra Pft... just take a class in funky anal and read up on spectral theory. Then pass everything through the functional calculus.
Matrices, linear operators, whatevs. It's all the same.
:P
 
is it functional analysis stuff?
 
that is what I said
 
@shintuku Yes and no.
 
7:42 PM
but kato starts explicitly with finite dimensional things
 
@RyanUnger "a short introduction to perturbation theory of linear operators"?
 
remove the short introduction and then yes
 
Functional analysis is the study of linear operators on vector spaces. Most of the work is done in infinite dimensional spaces (e.g. the space of all continuous functions on a compact set, or the space of square integrable functions on $\mathbb{R}$). However, matrices are linear operators on finite dimensional spaces, so all of the theory from funky anal applies.
 
@XanderHenderson. What you wrote like horror movie, but it seems for you as you are telling beautiful story :/
 
thanks for the suggestions
 
7:46 PM
@Avra It is a beautiful story. Matrices are a very nice example of a reasonably tractable space of linear operators.
 
kato is a great book, but includes a lot of stuff way more complicated than square roots of operators.
nothing short about its introduction, isn't it like 500 pages? my copy was lost by the postal service.
 
Indeed, if you are willing to imagine infinite dimensional matrices, you can get a pretty good understanding of lots of spaces (e.g. an analytic function is "really" just a series, i.e. an element of a space with countable dimension, so linear operators on the space of smooth functions are "just" infinite dimensional matrices).
So a lot of the intuition one one gets from matrices carries over.
 
seems like kato's book has the entire first 60 pages dedicated exclusively to operator theory, cool stuff
 
Also, I think that Kreyzig's book is a very gentle introduction to the topic, with some emphasis on spaces of sequences (which are, perhaps, slightly more tractable to the neophyte).
 
"Introduction to functional analysis with applications"?
whoops, "Introductory functional analysis with applications", i meant
 
7:53 PM
@shintuku I believe so. My copy has a mostly black cover with yellow decoration.
 
noted, thanks
 
ty!
 
please don't shill books on this sacred hall
 
at least not from the evil global syndicate. amazon has enough money
please go to your neighborhood communist reading room and ask for their copy
 
7:59 PM
I've linked to the publisher's website, instead, since y'all are so easily offended. :P
 
john wiley is an imperialist stooge
"and sons." yes, the children of the capitalist pig should get to live off of the blood of the worker, like royalty
ticks
 
socialize book publishing
 
@leslietownes I don't disagree, but I think that one should have a link which provides complete bibliographical information.
A clever doobie can certainly find a "totally legal" .pdf online, I am sure.
 
what is a doobie?
 
a sharp pencil
 
8:13 PM
i have no idea what you're talking about. (or .djvu...)
 
oh, nvm then
 
A clever doobie is a slightly smarter good doobie.
 
8:45 PM
@XanderHenderson. :(
Suppose we have matrices $A_0, \cdots, A_{n-1}$ (you can say n matrices). Matrix $A_i$ is with dimension $d_i \times d_{i+1}$. If we would like to find all possible permutations to find the best parnthesization possible, that would take $4^n$ time complexity, any idea here please?
For example, B is 3x100, C is 100x5, D is 5x5, the best one is (BC)D = 1575 ops while B(CD) takes 4000 ops.
 
 
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10:08 PM
I can't stay now, but could I have confirmation or refutation on my comment on the answer here from our more pedantic logical sorts?
 
I don't think his discussion of contrapositive is flawed. (NOT B) => (NOT A) is equivalent to (NOT B) AND (A) => (NOT A) AND (A), a fallacy. So equivalently you can assume A and NOT B and try to get a contradiction
I have seen this strategy before but I am not sure it's called "contrapositive". I might be missing out on terminology.
I don't think he should have said "which means". It's an equivalent strategy.
 
I've never seen anyone claim that contrapositive gets to assume $A$. Then it's blatantly a proof by contradiction.
 
Yeah it's a weird mix of contradiction and contrapositive. I think you have convinced me that his discussion is indeed inappropriate, if not flawed :)
 
Anyhow, if I'm wrong, I should remove my comment, but never in my 100 years as a mathematician have I seen this. And I've taught this stuff too ... :P
I will be back later for @Alessandro to give the definitive ruling. :P
 
@BalarkaSen needed to come back for this
you here
 
10:17 PM
yeah
LOL
 
it always works
well that was it, till next tiem
 
cya mate
 
10:36 PM
Here, to find all possible paths from (0,0) to (n,n) it takes (2n)!/n!n!
Any hint please?
If we just take it from (0,0) to (2,2), then the forumla bove gives 6, but we can see they are 2 b/c crossing diagonal is not allowed
What do you think please?
Sorry, I thought not touching, but it's actually not crossing, so I see we have 6 paths there which complies with the formula
Any idea though then why the formula holds please?
$$ \frac{(2n)!}{n!n!}$$
 
10:54 PM
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Q: How many paths in a $n\times m$ grid which is not crossing the diagonal.

Hee Ryang ChoiI want to make a generalization of Catalan numbers, so I make an $n\times m$ (where $n$ and $m$ are coprime) grid and try to find a number of paths which is not crossing the diagonal. I think it will be ${2\over n+m} \binom{m+n}{n}$, but I can't find proof of it. Please help me. Thanks.

not quite the same, but similar flavor and useful. lots of grid-crossing problems on math.SE
 
@leslietownes. I am new to these problems, yea plenty there about these!
@leslietownes. The domain here has to be integers!
I mean an integer step-wise!
 
if the rules are you can only move up and right, you've clearly got to do n ups and n rights and it's a question of how to cleverly count the ones where the ups don't stack up too much ahead of the rights. thinking in terms of symbol strings maybe easier than paths.
 
Please don't tell me it's also possible to have decimal and complex numbers :(
i mean decimal and complex steps!
so we go up and right based on decimal and complex number steps
Do you understand my question please?
 
if C(a,b) denotes the count of allowable paths from (0,0) to (a,b) it is often possible to identify recurrence relations that compute C(a,b) in terms of adjacent/previous C(x,y)'s and then solve those relations.
 
Is my question valid to ask please?
 
11:00 PM
which question? i see a number of them
 
:/
Question: can we go up and down only based by taking integers steps (1 right and 1 up) or we can also take decimal steps (0.3 up and 0.9 right)!
 
you're choosing the problem, you tell me :)
 
hahaha
I really don't know, I just wonder if steps are only integer steps or they could be anything
Not sure if this is valid to ask anyway.
 
i knew a guy who invented rules for fractional chess, where you could do stuff like move 0.4 of a knight and 0.6 of a pawn on the same move
 
hahaha
No no I am not trying to :/
 
11:14 PM
Hi @leslie. Any thoughts on that logic conundrum?
 
i assumed 'more pedantic logical sorts' excluded me. it looks OK but it is not what people normally call proof by contraposition, and i think in some logics (intuitionistic logic?) that deny PEM it is not the same as controposition.
i'm hesitant to enter such discussions because once i pointed out that some people do not assume PEM or the existence of infinite objects and a high-rep set theorist curb stomped me like three hundred times for what felt to me like a mild, ignorable comment
 
lol
 
if people tell me 'hey, you forgot inseparable hilbert spaces' i let it slide. but i think set theorists see the world differently because every other post on SE is initially tagged 'set theory' if it involves a set
 
My point is that contrapositive and contradiction are distinct.
What is PEM?
 
principle of excluded middle.
 
11:22 PM
Oh.
 
i think all of this stuff is clearly distinguishable if you don't use PEM and certainly different in flavor even if you do
 
I just don't see how $\lnot Q\implies\lnot P$ would ever get to assume $P$.
Of course, if you do, then it's identical to contradiction except that for contradiction you can get a contradiction to the world. shrug
 
It's equivalent to $\lnot(\lnot Q \vee P)$, is his point. But he's messing around, point (2) is "proof by contradiction of the contrapositive statement", not "proof by contraposition".
 
Exactly.
Maybe that would be the succinct comment to add to my complaint.
 
yeah. again, if anyone asks, i wasn't here and i do not distinguish between not not P and P.
 
11:25 PM
Sometimes student-types answer authoritatively when they actually don't know things correctly.
Tell munchkin to take you to the ducks.
 
we collaborated on a great piece of art. it has a cat monster in it and a duck pond.
 
@TedShifrin i handover copyright of my succinitification to you
 
@Balarka Bah.
 
balarka helpfully remembers that transfers of US copyright must be in writing to be recognized. so many people forget this.
 
i keep up to date with plagiarism laws, to use and abuse them without consequences
 
11:29 PM
i was joking earlier about wiley and sons being imperialist pigs but it made me wonder if copyright law has something to do with dover's republication of so many soviet-era classics.
 
@leslietownes Pretty sure it does.
 
my understanding of soviet law is that after some early point in the republic, all international copyrights in soviet authors belonged to the state. us copyright law explicitly denied the validity of these transfers.
 
i am in a terrible position. i joked about nlab for all these years, but now i find myself using the language of topoi
 
it also had formalities for maintaining validity for the mid 20th century that would not have been complied with.
 
you either die an honest man or live long enough to see yourself become a topos theorist
 
11:30 PM
so either there were no us copyrights, or nobody who could enforce copyright claims in soviet-authored works.
which is why we can all enjoy the sweat of the workers' brow.
us law does generally defer to foreign law in questions of ownership in foreign-authored works, which is kind of weird. in theory you might need an american court to interpret a french will or italian bankruptcy proceeding to figure out who can sue whom but in reality it doesn't get litigated much.
 
on the bright side, now that the us is sliding into authoritarianism, i guess everyone can choose their favourite type so you might eventually have communism
 
when the postal service lost about half of my math book collection (which was not large, but very high quality and included rare items), i took to the dark corners of the internet to 'replace' the works with electronic copies. i would do it again tomorrow.
 
you know, one thing i wonder about is why there's next to no known big chinese names circulating in the anglosphere
 
how do you mean? circulating in what sense?
 
you'd think that the main competitor to the usa in the international sphere is bound to be brimming with intellectual activity, so where are the translated works of people
just, known in the general academic public to non-specialists
in whatever field, right
 
11:38 PM
interesting point. there may be something of a language barrier and not a history of translating too much in either direction, that is less in e.g. french or german or even russian works.
of course a lot of chinese mathematicians publish in english. although maybe not as much "public-facing" stuff. even america and england don't really have a tradition of that the way russia did. or even france.
i'm fairly ignorant of the history of chinese mathematics but an enormous amount of stuff that is given european names in western countries was there first. "gaussian" elimination comes to mind although even gauss's contemporaries would have recognized it as already known.
india too. maybe some of this is a legacy of colonialism and a response to colonialism.
 
like, i would be super interested in finding out what's in vogue in chinese social science these days
 
with stuff like that, i dunno. i think there is a level of political control over a lot of fields of inquiry that doesn't exist elsewhere. although with a fairly strong state, researchers may have access to data sets that people in other countries could only dream of.
and there's certainly levels of indirect control from powerful interest over social inquiry just about anywhere.
 
11:55 PM
what is characterization equation please?
e.g., $min_{c\in C}\{\cdot\}$?
 
@leslietownes. I have big equation written as chrachterization equation
dot is equation inside min
Just asking about term that's it :/
No math needed
 
min_{c in C} stuff is often notation for the smallest value attained by stuff over all possible choices of c in C
weird to put an equation in there, as it might not be clear which side or part of the equation is to be minimized, but who knows
 
So chrachterization equation is not something special, so this simply means find minimum
 
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