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5:01 AM
I am with you, copper, but I'm irrelephant.
 
i suspect i am too.
 
what google customer
your advising them on algos?
 
@Silent You never got an answer: yes.
 
@robjohn Not true. I answered.
 
hah^
 
5:09 AM
My answer is pretty much to everyone who asks such questions (except RK).
 
its in in the rules on the right
black on white
 
@TedShifrin it was not a clear yes or no. It was conditional on whether they wanted a worthwhile answer
 
I was noncommittal about the worthwhile-ity.
 
I would imagine thats a fair assumption though
 
Not for the trolls
 
5:11 AM
"...alternatively, I am happy to waste your time."
 
yes. we get some of that
 
Given how many people ask questions in here and on the site when they don't even have any idea what the definitions of the terms in their questions are ...
 
ouch
 
Maybe I'm channeling @copper.
 
it bugs me when someone grabs your attention and then disappears.
 
5:12 AM
Can I ask a question?
 
It bugs me when I answer questions and get no response to my answer.
 
one more day. then the ortho said 25% effort whatever that means
 
@copper For you, that means 10%.
 
well can you tell me what prompted you to ask your question first
 
:-)
 
5:13 AM
let's talk about your childhood
 
ohh, that's a long story.
 
what made you feel you wanted to ask a question
 
Now I've ruined the order of the chats in my menu :-(
 
I'm sure you can repair that easily, @robjohn.
 
oh, what's the use?!
 
5:14 AM
What a disaster this question and its answers are.
 
Do fibers help with Gaussian elimination?
 
Depends if the morphism is proper or not.
 
copper started this
 
So we should eliminate copper?
What about tungsten?
 
I suppose that's fair
 
5:17 AM
It was Galois who was eliminated anyway
 
my elimination is good thanks, plenty of fibre
 
@robjohn He just vanished into the duel space.
 
:-)
the problem with maths puns is the limited audience
 
if they only they knew what they were missing out on
 
Well, since we have three people here, the audience is very limited.
 
5:18 AM
He had his shot
 
But did he take his best shot?
 
my friend never responded to my offer of a nice 2016 cabernet, so tonight has been dry so far
 
how dry you are...
 
I need good food for good wine; I can drink gin martinis to drink, but wine needs a whole production :P
 
actually, i have a nice dunnigan hills cab an Argentinian friend brought over a few days ago
 
5:21 AM
Well ... g'night, all! To the morrow!
 
goodnight Ted!
i'm very pleased at a very minor accomplishment. i've been trying to answer a question all day in a different way to the current answer and was stumped until a few minutes ago.
that def deserves a drink.
cayley hamilton is a surprisingly useful result.
 
@TedShifrin sleep unloose
 
i am inevitable
inexplicable
undefeatable
 
i discovered that bed bugs do not seem to like mosquito coils.
speaking of tightening your mattress
 
you can publish that in a journal
 
5:26 AM
The mosquito coils, ready to strike...
then it recoils from the citronella
 
never had much success with anything other than coils & deet. citronella smells nice but i found it ineffective.
tell me my ip in the next 2 mins and i will give you a bottle of wine.
 
@copper.hat watch out...
 
it is not that hard to find actually.
 
others will be able to know it if i tell it here
 
it does not remain constant :-)
 
5:31 AM
well yes
 
plus i'm working through a vpn
so it seems like i am coming from some particular place.
 
surely everyone's home country is the motherland?
 
ok, got the progression, maybe we can move on
 
5:34 AM
motherland
one of my friends lost electrons
 
was he charged by the police?
 
no
he is positive
corona positive :D
 
ahh, my 2d old cab tastes ok
i do have a little van de graff generator downstairs
if your friend wants some extra electrons
 
one of the komrades calls me ddos
i love ddos
 
which cloud do you use?
 
5:43 AM
motherland cloud lol
 
yawn
 
i think i am mad
mad for CASs
 
automated surveillance systems?
 
Computer Algebra Systems
 
such as?
 
5:48 AM
I have maxima, fricas, pari/gp, REDUCE, scilab, mathics
 
macsyma?
 
and i am hungry for more
 
why?
 
they all share more or less the same limitiations
just did a psq
 
5:49 AM
i think maxima and scilab are the best
aaand mathematica
 
i use macsyma because it is free.
 
but i use something called 'microsoft mathematics' for plotting
 
i did some work a long time ago with richard fateman who was involved with its development
 
the king of graphics is in the room
 
5:51 AM
mathematica?
the student edition is $289
 
no, i mean @robjohn
 
i'll never get another t-shirt at this rate
plot the rosenbrock function
 
a=1,b=100
if you were saying that to me...
 
i was. nice
i imagined it would be more convoluted
 
6:02 AM
it doesn't change much at b=100000000000
 
it was a test function i used to use 35 years ago on optimization algorithms
 
i have a slight modification that uses max functions, but has the same basic shape
 
changing the y to y^2 leads to
 
that is more interesting. decades ago getting such plots was a pain
 
6:04 AM
yes
and changing y^2 to y^2222 (lol) leads to
 
i wrote some postscript program that would run on my advisors applewriter to my plots
 
i was making a cas myself but seems like it's not easy
 
i did some stuff with automatic differentiation
but it was very tedious and full of heuristics
no unifying themes
essentially a bunch of hacks
a bit like formal verification
i was a bit disappointed to discover
 
google sometimes now generates 2d plots if you ask it to. i mentioned this the other day. i'm still blown away by it. i.e. who is the audience, who doesn't already have other better stuff.
 
even desmos is pretry impressive
 
6:09 AM
3d plots i should say, of 2d functions.
 
i found some bugs/corner cases that i sent to them
 
google now also refers some mathy searches to mathy search engines. i don't understand it
 
i looked like desmos had picked up a bad case of syph
democratusation
 
first came the social networks, then came the social diseases.
 
crap, i'm giving up on spelling
nothing a good dose of penicillin won't cure
the main rule was: don't bring anything home
i've been invited to join a chat
no doubt to answer someone's questions in a one on on
 
6:12 AM
@copper.hat what?
 
king of graphics?
 
emperor
majesty
ruler
overlord
 
i was responding to @robjohn :-)
 
6:13 AM
@copper.hat and me too
 
@robjohn I fixed the URL
 
i liked the queen's gambit, except for the implied drug enhancement
good night folks. end of cab
 
night
 
 
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7:37 AM
hey, anyone got a hint, like just the tip, without giving the full game away: for how to start to prove $\cos\theta+ i \sin\theta = e^{i\theta}$
 
depends on how you define cos(t), sin(t), and e^(it) for real t
you can find a lot of proofs out there, but if they use different definitions than whatever you've been asked to use, they may not count as proofs
to give an example of what i'm talking about, sometimes cos(t) is defined in terms of a ratio of sides of a triangle inscribed in the unit circle. sometimes it is defined as the inverse of a definite integral of 1/sqrt(1-x^2) dx. sometimes it is defined in terms of a power series.
how it's defined affects how you prove things about it
i've seen books that develop sin and cos in elementary fashion, and then use that equation as the definition of e^(it) for real t. in those books there is nothing to prove, it's just what e^(it) means
 
huh, I had no idea sin and cos had different definitions, and on reflection had no idea what the definition of cos was.
I've always thought of them in terms of the unit circle
well the lecture I was just watching briefly brought up the question I just posed, in terms of a unit circle, so I supose that is the method I should use.
 
I think leslie's saying this
 
the unit circle definition has simplicity on its side but it's not very congenial to proving things with. you have to draw triangles and stuff. it also doesn't readily lend itself to numerical approximation. outside of 'special angles' where exact values follow from special triangles. how would you even get a few digits of cos(1) for example.
the integral definition of cosine is also amenable to numerical approximation, you don't necessarily need the series. i don't have a favorite definition, they all have plusses and minuses
andrew, how do they define e^(it) for real t?
 
ah it isn't really, it was left as an excercise to the viewer, the closest to a definition was that equation I just posted
 
7:51 AM
it wouldn't surprise me if they just define it using that formula. the addition laws for the exponential function then follows from the addition laws for trig functions, which do have relatively OK picture proofs. you do have to think a bit to see why a picture proof for angles in some quadrant would work the same way for any real angles and not just ones lying in that quadrant. but it works well enough.
 
huh, so I guess I should review how to add trig functions. I think this was a good hint, now I must go. Thanks :P
 
people do like the taylor series definitions of everything because they make these kinds of calculations fairly routine, at least when the functions' taylor series are simple enough, as they are here. but proving the basic facts you need to manipulate series of complex numbers is maybe harder than just using that identity as a definitional starting point.
have fun
one of the more amusing pairs of definitions of sin and cos is that they are the solutions to y'' + y = 0 satisfying y(0) = 0, y'(0) = 1 [sin] and y(0) = 1, y'(0) = 0 [cos], respectively. you need some ODE theory to make sense of that but you can show that you do indeed get the unit circle thing from that.
there was a pretty good expository article i read once that ran through a bunch of definitions of these things and proved them equivalent.
 
 
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9:39 AM
Hello
I just did a google search for a math chat room as I have a quick question
Q = 100 cm3 s −1= 10−4 m2 s −1
How is 100^3 = to 10^-4 ?
 
 
1 hour later…
10:56 AM
@lewisdbentley $100\,\color{#C00}{\text{cm}}^3\text{s}^{-1}=100\left(\color{#C00}{10^{-2}\text{m}}\right)^3\text{s}^{-1}=10^{-4}\text{m}^3\text{s}^{-1}$
@lewisdbentley if you have ChatJax installed you see this.
 
Thanks Robjohn
But their solution says
= 10−4 m2 s −1
not
=10-4 m3 s-1 which you have explained?
 
11:16 AM
@AndrewMicallef like this?
 
Maybe they are some people around here who use MathJax in chat on their mobile phones and would be able to give some advice to this user in the MathOverflow chatroom:
in MathOverflow, 1 hour ago, by Dima Pasechnik
yes, this appears to work at the moment in Firefox 87.0 on Linux (it used to be broken). But I need to click on this bookmark every time I visit this page. I fear it won't work on my Android phone (pretty important for me).
in MathOverflow, 1 hour ago, by Dima Pasechnik
Just tried creating such a bookmark on Android (Mobile Chrome browser). While I can create a bookmark with the javascript code as proposed, it does not function at all.

I imagine one should create a proper Chrome browser plugin to support this in such a setting.
in MathOverflow, 43 mins ago, by Dima Pasechnik
yes, that's what I tried. Mobile browsers evolve quite fast, whatever worked in 2018 need not work in 2021, in particular these sorts of hacks.
 
11:42 AM
On Pg. 36 of this, http://library.msri.org/books/Book31/files/ball.pdf
the author says "the correct constant in the inequality is 1 (as written)"
Which constant do they mean exactly? Could someone explain?
 
@MartinSleziak hacks? :-S
@epsilon-emperor without reading more, I assume $I_n$ in that book refers to the $n\times n$ identity matrix
 
11:58 AM
Let $\vec{x} ,\vec{y},\vec{z}$ be three vectors 9f magnitude $\sqrt{2}$ and angle between each pair of them is $\pi/3$. If a is a non zero vector perpendicular to $\vec{x} $ and $\vec{y}×\vec{z}$ and $\vec{b}$ is a non zero vector perpendicular to $\vec{y}$ and $\vec{z}×\vec{x}$, then..?
 
@robjohn yes that's right
that's not what they seem to be talking about, though when they say "constant is 1". i say this because that equation with I_n has been used in several places as an equation (never an inequality), and it was first seen in fritz john's theorem
 
and $u\otimes u=uu^T$?
 
1) $\vec{b}=(\vec{b}.\vec{z})(\vec{z}-\vec{x})$
2)$\vec{a}=(\vec{a}.\vec{y})(\vec{y}-\vec{z})$
3)$\vec{a}=(\vec{a}.\vec{y})(\vec{z}-\vec{y})$
4) $\vec{a}.\vec{b}=-(\vec{a}.\vec{y})(\vec{b}.\vec{z})$
 
@lewisdbentley yeah, it is $m^3$ not $m^2$
 
I drew the schematic and am getting south maybe I had some error in the direction.The abswer is supposed to be North
Any schematic to support this will be most welcome.
 
12:11 PM
Hello (:))
Is this site designed to ask questions that touch on hyper-specialized hot research that may confuse neophytes or should such questions be reserved for specialists in the subject matter outside of this site? (My problem is that I work alone.)
The problem is obviously for me, not for the site if I understand it better (I just arrived on Maths Stack Exchange)
 
@RajorshiKoyal Either transcribe all that is written or at the very least, show the whole question.
 
ok sure
 
it's hard to answer something when you're guessing at what the question is.
 
12:27 PM
@StéphaneJaouen until you ask your question, no one will be able to judge if it is research level or not. If it is research level, you might get a nice answer here, and if not, you can try MathOverflow.
 
Is that better @robjohn?
 
@robjohn : excuse me , i speak very bad English : i must use a translator. first i will translate your answer.
 
@RajorshiKoyal yes. so the numbers are red herrings and it is only the directions turned that matter.
since the turns are left right right left, they are moving in their original direction
 
when it is evening, which direction does your shadow go?
 
12:35 PM
@robjohn :ok. I use a numerical system that is not well known (there are some results published by the OEIS for example). The name of this system is Primorial number system or primoradic. I could see that some users of the site had some knowledge about this system and so I asked a more difficult question which I think was not well understood.
 
Towards the east
@robjohn
Actually somebody solved this problem for me
Thanks for the help @robjohn
 
Consider | x + 5 || x - 4 | < ε, where ε is infinitesimal then if | x + 5 | < β then how is it possible to write | x - 4 | < ε / β, i am unable to digest. Help!
 
@StéphaneJaouen If you worry that people may not know something needed to answer your question, you only need to define what that is. I believe that a lot of people here know what the primorial number system is, but you could add a short description or a link to the Wikipedia page.
 
@robjohn yep that's correct. sorry for the late reply
 
@robjohn : That is what i did. Links towards stub OEIS, towards other questions I asked where i expose more details about primoradic...
@robjohn link towards primorial expansion of e
@robjohn : The question was then clearly only addressed to people who mastered primoradic and I am afraid that it attracted the wrath of people who were confused by the use of such a numerical system for issues that are otherwise of interest to them. I got a flood of down votes without the slightest request for clarification that I would have gladly given.
(:))
 
12:52 PM
@epsilon-emperor This constant:$$ \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}\prod f_i(\langle x,u_i\rangle)^{c_i}\le\color{#C00}{K}\prod\left(\int f_i\right)^{c_i} $$
 
@robjohn I see! How did you figure this out? What's the context
I am not sure if it has been mentioned in the book before and if it has something to do with Theorem 6.3
 
inequalities are often in the form $f(x)\le \lambda g(x)$ and the constant is the $\lambda$
 
Hmm okay! Is there any mention of K \ne 1 somewhere though?
 
@StéphaneJaouen "clearly addressed to people who mastered primoradic" The question asks about primoradic numbers, but I wouldn't say that it is "clearly addressed to masters" there was a link, but it would have been nice to talk a bit about the definition of the primorial number system.
 
@robjohn : i already developped the Wikipedia page in French dedicated solely to primoradic (and quite extensively) and gave a link in my previous questions.
@robjohn : you saw my question?
 
1:01 PM
yes.
 
@robjohn : " it would have been nice to talk a bit about the definition of the primorial number system." ok
@robjohn : thanks for your help.
 
I cannot always tell why people vote as they do.
 
@robjohn : yes, I know
 
@epsilon-emperor no
 
@robjohn : thank you very much (merci beaucoup (French))
 
1:06 PM
@StéphaneJaouen you're welcome.
 
@robjohn well then i'm just wondering how you can be so sure :O
not questioning your answer, but just in the search for more evidence
 
@robjohn : for me, there is the evidence of the drawing. It has just to be formalized a bit.
@robjohn : I (re-)discovered by myself primoradic. I created it by myself. I didn't know that it exists already. I developed it alone. In the context of research that I have been conducting alone for several years.
@robjohn : It is a digital system that has become extremely natural to me.
@robjohn : thanks for welcoming me.
 
@robjohn I am glad to inform you that you are right! I found several mentions of "correct constant" in this paper: sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0001870876901845
 
@epsilon-emperor "be so sure"? I mentioned that "inequalities are often in the form..." in response to your query "How did you figure this out? What's the context".
The paper says "the correct constant in the inequality is 1 (as written)." and there is only one inequality
 
Let $S$ be an open bounded set
 
1:17 PM
@epsilon-emperor I am so relieved.
 
then the set $T(S)$ where $T$ is the family of affine transformations is a basis for the euclidean topology right?
we are working in $\mathbb R^2$
 
@robjohn Also to the best of what I can see, Theorem 6.3 from the book is just Theorem 7 in the paper! :)
 
Let $S$ be an open bounded set,
then the set $T(S)$ where $T$ is the family of affine transformations is a basis for the euclidean topology right?
we are working in $\mathbb R^2$
 
So I think we just need to show every open ball is a union of some $T(S)$
 
1:22 PM
In this pdf, in page 55, could someone explain why $Tr(\alpha^N) = \sum_{i=1}^n\alpha_i^N$?
 
To do that let $B$ be an open ball and $b\in B$. We must show there is a $T$ such that $b\in T(S) \subseteq B$
 
@PeterJohn it is that and not $Tr(\alpha^N) = \sum_{i=1}^n\alpha_{i,i}^N$?
 
Let $d$ be the distance from $b$ to the center of $B$, and now let $r$ be the radius of a ball that bounds $S$. Then we can do stuff
Yeah I'm pretty sure it's true
 
@robjohn No, $Tr$ means there a field trace or equivalently, trace of linear operator $x\mapsto \alpha x$.
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Q: If $\operatorname{Tr}(\alpha) =\sum \alpha_i$ then $\operatorname{Tr}(\alpha^N) =\sum\alpha_i^N$.

Peter JohnI'm currently reading the proof of the following fact Let $K/F$ be a field extension of finite degree $n$. If $K/F$ is separable, then the trace form $T:K\times K\to F$ is nondegenerate. Here, trace form is defined by $T:K\times K\to F$ by $T(x,y) = \operatorname{Tr}(xy)$ Proof. By the primitiv...

 
@PeterJohn ah, I had not read the pdf. sorry
 
1:58 PM
@PeterJohn the trace of an element in a separable extension can be computed as sum of its conjugates in a separable closure
 
@Thorgott Yes I know that but the question is the power of and element
I wonder if that's a right one
 
if $\alpha_1,\dots,\alpha_n$ are the conjugates of $\alpha$, then $\alpha_1^N,\dots,\alpha_n^N$ are the conjugates of $\alpha^N$
 
why is that?
 
2:13 PM
recall the definition of conjugates
 
@Thorgott You mean $\sigma_1(\alpha),...,\simga_n(\alpha)$ are conjugates of $\alpha$ then $\sigma_1(\alpha^N),...,\sigma_n(\alpha^N)$ are conjugates of $\alpha^N$?
 
yes
 
In the definition of field trace, the roots of $\alpha$ need not to be distinct?
 
not sure what you're trying to get at
this extension is separable
 
2:29 PM
Yes it's a separable extension of $\alpha$ but not $\alpha^N$ isn't it?
 
what does "separable extension of $\alpha$" mean
the notion of separability is not relative to elements
 
Ok, but what I'm concern is that the number of conjugates of $\alpha$ have $n$ many why the number of conjugates of $\alpha^N$ is also $n$?
Ah in wiki, they count multiplicity
 
Hi, I am looking for the source of the lemma in this question : math.stackexchange.com/questions/1594788/…
 
the conjugates need not be distinct, if that's your point
 
I am mainly interested in the proof of one of the sides of the lemma (I am trying to proof $dimKerD < \infty$ )
 
2:40 PM
but if $L/K$ is a separable extension and $\sigma_1,\dots,\sigma_n$ are the $n$ distinct embeddings of $L$ into a separable closure of $K$, then $\mathrm{tr}(\alpha)=\sum_{i=1}^n\sigma_i(\alpha)$ for any $\alpha\in L$
 
@Thorgott Yes what I meant is that I understood $\sigma_1(\alpha^N),...,\sigma_n(\alpha^N)$ are conjugates of $\alpha^N$ but need not distinct and I thought it's problematic because I didn't know that in the definition of $Tr$, they count multiplicity.
 
3:18 PM
I have a question concerning multiple integrals. How am I supposed to interpret the output of an indefinite multiple integral given its domain and some input value from the domain?
I understand that it is the plane of the domain and the surface defined by a function, but what is, for example, in the indefinite integral of some function $f(x,y)$, the evaluation of $f(x,y)$ for some $x$ and some $y$ referring to what region under the surface?
 
@TedShifrin, what would $x \cdot \nabla f$ look like in polar coordinates? $x \cdot \nabla f = x_1 \partial_1 f + x_2 \partial_2 f$ in cartesian coordinates, but how does it look in polar coordinates? $\cos (\theta) \partial_r f + \frac{1}{r} \sin (\theta) \partial_{\theta} f$?
 
*evaluation of the indefinite integral of $f(x,y)$
 
In this answer math.stackexchange.com/a/354119/452270 what does the notation <Av, Av> mean?
 
3:38 PM
Let $\vec{x} ,\vec{y},\vec{z}$ be three vectors 9f magnitude $\sqrt{2}$ and angle between each pair of them is $\pi/3$. If a is a non zero vector perpendicular to $\vec{x} $ and $\vec{y}×\vec{z}$ and $\vec{b}$ is a non zero vector perpendicular to $\vec{y}$ and $\vec{z}×\vec{x}$, then..?
1) $\vec{b}=(\vec{b}.\vec{z})(\vec{z}-\vec{x})$
2)$\vec{a}=(\vec{a}.\vec{y})(\vec{y}-\vec{z})$
3)$\vec{a}=(\vec{a}.\vec{y})(\vec{z}-\vec{y})$
4) $\vec{a}.\vec{b}=-(\vec{a}.\vec{y})(\vec{b}.\vec{z})$
@robjohn any hints for this ?
 
4:21 PM
@PratikHaware inner product
@Rover can you draw the picture in the $y$-$z$ plane? $x$ will be sticking out of the page obliquely
 
4:32 PM
@JoeShmo You need to do a chain rule calculation to figure out, say, gradient in different coordinate systems. I prefer to do it with differential forms. If $e_r,e_\theta$ are the unit vectors in the radial and tangential directions, then the dual $1$-forms are $dr$ and $r\,d\theta$. You write $df = f_r\,dr + f_\theta\,d\theta$, so the gradient is the vector field $f_r e_r + (f_\theta/r) e_\theta$. Etc.
 
@robjohn yes.
 
G'morning @robjohn.
 
It will be like they are at vertex of a regular tetrahedron.
Good morning @TedShifrin :-)
 
5:17 PM
I have a function that satisfies intermediate value property and in addition has the property that it takes each value exactly once
then that function is to be proven to be continuous.
Here's the proof outline that I followed: 1) First I proved that this function (henceforth called $f$) is monotonic in strict sense, whence it follows that one-sided limits (L and R) exist at every point. 2) WLOG, I assumed strictly increasing and we know the relation $L\le R$ for strictly increasing functions. On the contrary I assumed $L\lt R$ and got a contradiction thereby proving $L=R$
 
sounds like a good program
 
Hence, the function is continuous everywhere. (Assume $f:\mathbb R\to \mathbb R$)
Hello @leslietownes
Now the problem is different: Now $f$ takes each value finitely many times rest all conditions remain the same.
 
4
Q: A function that satisfies the Intermediate Value Theorem and takes each value only finitely many times is continuous.

nomadicmathematicianI'm having a confusion over the veracity of the statement that a function that satisfies the Intermediate Value Theorem and takes each value only finitely many times is continuous. I've seen from a problem in Spivak's Calculus that this statement is true. Proof: For the case where $f$ takes o...

 
I think that this statement is not correct as 0 times is also finitely many times
The statement should be "at least once and finitely many times"
 
spivak is notorious for infelicities of language like this. presumably he is baking that into the definition of "taking a value"
 
5:26 PM
You pointed out that the problem is from Spivak :)
Yes this problem is indeed from Spivak's book !!
I don't understand the solution given on the above shared link :'(
especially from the sequence introduction onwards
But the idea is clear. One has to use contradiction. Let me try writing a proof.
 
my idea wasn't as short as the solution above, but it did involve monotone sequences in the domain approaching a point where a one-sided limit didn't exist.
 
@TedShifrin G'day
 
5:41 PM
If $A\subset\sum_{j=1}^n \Bbb Zv_j$ as a $\Bbb Z$-submodule, then $A$ is finitely generated?
 
that seems right, although it might run through some properties of $\mathbb{Z}$
i should warn you that i last studied algebra about 20 years ago, but that feels right
 
Yes submodule of f.g. module need not be finitely generated.
As far as I know if $\sum \Bbb Zv_j$ is Noetherian Z-module then fine.
 
yes, Z is noetherian
all PIDs are
 
ha, i vaguely remembered a true thing. that's my work done for the day
 
proud of you
 
5:47 PM
Oh, \sum Zv_j is f.g. Z-module and Z is noetherian
 
like it said, it "might" run through "some properties" of Z. basically the answer.
 
@Koro I don't believe that.
 
@TedShifrin: Hi :) I am writing a proof.
 
Contradiction not needed!
 
I'll show you the proof for your suggestions soon
 
6:02 PM
Hi :)
Hi @Rover
 
@TedShifrin Infact, that's why I asked this question here. I was also looking for a method to solve it without contradiction. Because I strongly believed contradiction can solve it.
This is because the first part of it was: $f$ takes on each value exactly once and follows IVT
 
Try for a direct $\delta$-$\epsilon$ proof.
 
I managed to prove it without using contradiction. (By observing that $f$ in this case is monotone in strict sense)
 
I mean the general case.
 
Ok. I'll try that as well.
 

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