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@MikeMiller My comment was more of a rant. I see lots of really good teachers who care but their broad rewards are miniscule compared with the value added to society.
Hey guys I'm currently in High School and I'm looking for Good resources to learn more maths, any good ones? Books, articles, Websites etc?
Maybe something on imaginary numbers? They look very interesting
Not everybody is fond of it, but I quite liked khan academy
It felt more lively than reading through a book
I get it, gonna take a look, thanks
00:41
@AttractorNotStrangeAtAll you know of an elementary function (at least two, in fact) that satisfies this, and you don't need the Lebesgue integral.
Elementary?
01:28
@TedShifrin symmetry
@JoeShmo Are the elementary functions that satisfy this dense in C([a,b])?
are which functions dense in C([a,b])?
02:23
I'm failing to prove that the function is continuous at irrationals $x$
Don't think about continuity!
Do partitions to show integrability directly.
My function is continuous everywhere except $0, 1/n$, nevertheless.
unless I'm misreading his question, why do you even need to go with that, Ted?
@AttractorNotStrangeAtAll it's not continuous on the irrationals. but you can extend Riemann integrability to functions whose set of discontinuities has measure $0$.
Oh boy. I misread Ted's function.
So sorry. Thought you were saying about Thomae's function
ah, you confused me too. I thought he took $1$ on $\mathbb{Q} \cap [a,b]$
02:51
You people don't read!
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The Thomae function is way harder.
BTW, I call it the Christmas tree function.
Hahah, indeed, I prefer your function!!!
I've shown that $f(x)=\sin{\frac{1}{x}}$ is not uniformly continuous on $(0,+\infty)$, but I can't show that $f$ is uniformly continuous (maybe even Lipschitz?) on $[a,+\infty)$ for $a>0$. Any hints?
03:12
is the composition of Lipschitz functions Lipschitz?
Doesn't feel like it...
03:25
really?
still, $f(x) = \sin(2\pi \cdot \frac{x-a}{b-a})$ has your desired properties.
Can you bound $f'(x)$ on $a>0$
that's a rhetorical question :-)
apparently the composition is indeed Lipschitz, i'll try to show this
If the derivative is bounded it is Lipschitz...
oh, i haven't seen this yet
will look into it
thanks
03:31
Don't spoil it man
moi?
never sure where to draw the line with help
@copper.hat why would you use the derivative when you can just apply the definition
a Lipschitz function doesn't even need to be differentiable everywhere
@LukasHeger because its easy. why not? besides, a Lipschitz function is differentiable ae.
Rademacher. That was one of the first questions Charles Pugh asked me in my quals.
hmm, how do I show $\sin$ is Lipschitz without derivatives?
you can probs estimate the power series, but seems convoluted
oh I thought @copper.hat was replying to the composition thing
03:38
i came late to the game, i may easily be missing something...
i'm merging code changes at the moment, this is a nice distraction...
Askaway
How can we prove that a regular 15 gon is constructible?
03:56
I don't think it is? Gauss Wantzel
It is
The qus is from a book
compass and straightedge???
sure you don't mean 17-gon?
sorry, you are correct, i was miscomputing my fermat primes
04:00
oh wait, 3 times 5
15 = (2^1+1)*(2^2+1)
duh, it's right
are you can see, my arithmetic is not too hot. put in remedial math in elementary school
15 is constructible
04:01
look up Gauss Wantzel. it is a standard construction.
For general info, if an $m$-gon is constructible and an $n$-gon is constructible, so is an $mn$-gon.
Ohh thanks
Didn't know
Worth understanding (unless I'm wrong).
04:07
I think you have to assume coprime, Ted
Yes, I need coprime. Tanx.
Play that game Euclidea and you'll probably have to construct a 15-gon eventually
you just need the fermat prime parts to be coprime i think
04:09
@LukasHeger It's precisely equivalent to the derivative being in L^infty, though
in full generality, yes, but I doubt that's easy to prove by hand without relying on the complete result
proving that $p$-gon and $q$-con constructible implies $pq$-con constructible in case $p,q$ coprime is easy by hand
Thanks for help lemme check out some theorems related to this
I'm thinking of this in algebraic terms rn, but it's also not hard to write this down in form of a constructive compass-and-straightedge construction
Is there some video showing such a construction?
That, sir, is the #1 question of the YouTube generation :-)
04:16
Behave, skull :)
im sure there is
the connection between the discrete and continuous is always a source of amazement to me...
some of these constructions are so bizarre
who actually remembers that
thinking about it algebraically is so much more lucid
prepares to get shunned by Ted
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04:25
☠ ⚰ rip
Getting shunned: A geometric approach
Springer publications
surely the geometric connection is a marvel?
You look marvellous!
Supposing that it's me, I look marvelous because of the glasses
😎
04:35
no, no, i meant the comics :-)
@skillpatrol grrrr
<_< >_>
hi @TedShifrin
Say I have 2 equal sets of colored points, and I want to pair them up while minimizing the number of unique edges, where 2 edges are considered equal if they connect the same colors. Is this a hard problem?
*equally sized
05:03
Howdy Karim.
05:32
@user1502040 it seems fairly straightforward basically counting.
Oh my, it's Georg
Friedrich Bernhard Riemann
Riemann for short
Well, you can call me 0.
So, your full name is e^(pi)+1?
05:47
missing something in there
Keeping it real
Sorry for mistake
I dunno why but when I see myself in these glasses I feel like I am going to shoot someone
e^{i \pi}+1 surely
05:51
Yes. My close friend derived this
I remember the day we celebrated. Because of this formula
Now I don't know where Euler is
Is a shape with infinite sides a circle?
Don't think I am mad
06:52
@skillpatrol lmfao
 
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07:57
@GeorgFriedrichBernhardRiema Perhaps not
08:48
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Q: A setwise formula for set of first $\max(\text{recursive formula})$ prime numbers. What can we do with this formula?

StudySmarterNotHarderYou know how some general values of $\pi(n)$ are easy to calculate, such as $\pi(p_{\pi(n)})$ just equals $n$. Well, I present (another in a long list of formulas), a setwise recursive formula for the first few prime numbers with only an elementwise product needed on sets. This took a few hours...

@robjohn
@MatsGranvik
Never before seen prime formula (for a set of primes)
09:18
@copper.hat Maybe I'm being stupid but I don't see it. Do you have an algorithm in mind?
09:32
@user1502040
pair them up between sets $A$, and $B$?
10:04
Can someone evaluate $$\int_{2}^{x}\frac{\zeta(t)}{t}dt$$
10:51
When we define 'Affine n-space over $k$' where $k$ is a field, do we assume $k$ be algebraically closed? Book says we allow any field but professor said assume $k$ be algebrically closed
affine n-space makes sense over any commutative ring or even base scheme
but some things are different in the algebraically closed case
of course your professor can still make that restriction if he wants
Well the course is for undergraduate so he didn't handle scheme
Yes and
if $k$ is not algebrically closed, he just regard as a set
you still have a topology and a structure sheaf
it's more than just a set
Maybe but he didn't give topology and a structure on it yet. But he definitely remarked that we need some structure on it
11:52
Algebraic geometry with varieties works best for algebraically closed fields. Keeping track of things when the field is not algebraically closed without the language of schemes is usually not worth it
12:10
If I could ask a question quick about showing a basis change on a Lie algebra, if we have the bracket given by: $$[T_a,T_b]=f^c_{ab}T_c,$$ and we make a change of basis with some matrix on the left we get (supressing summations on repeated indices): $$A_{ka}A_{hb}[T_a,T_b]=A_{ka}A_{hb}f^c_{ab}T_c$$ however the notes that I'm following then insert the inverse of $A$ to get: $$A_{ka}A_{hb}[T_a,T_b]=A_{ka}A_{hb}f^e_{ab}A^{-1}_{ec}T_c$$ why do we use the inverse here?
12:24
@copper.hat yay! much easier with derivative. thanks, man!
i still couldn't show that it is lipschitz continuous using only the definition, but I was very very tired yesterday and will try again
@copper.hat the quote you have from pugh on your bio got me curious to see how complex analysis is
12:52
@Thorgott the elementary functions with riemann integral 0. Unless I misread the question, we don't need anything fancy for this, any point-symmetric function about (a+b)/2 suffices, e.g. x - (a+b)/2
So with the full power of elementary functions, we obtain that any linear combination of odd-order monomials, sines, cosines with an appropriately scaled cutoff etc. satisfies this
(since the integral of the cosine from -pi to pi is zero)
which is not point symmetric, so that we can also have nonzero values at (a+b)/2
 
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14:58
Ah yes this easily follows by weierstrass
Ah no it doesn't, taking arbitrary products doesn't preserve the integral being 0
@AttractorNotStrangeAtAll This is why Thorgott mentioned composites of Lipschitz functions. That those are Lipschitz does follow immediately from the definition.
And then you just check that sin x is Lipschitz on R and 1/x is Lipschitz in [a, inf)
so only the function-ring closure is dense, at least by weierstrass. At least I can safely say these functions form a basis of L^2
@MikeMiller TOP = DIFF in dimension 2 philosophically because of Schoenflies. What's the fundamental reason that TOP = DIFF in dimension 3?
I'm flubbing, TOP = Locally flat is Schoenflies, but you can believe Locally flat = PL = DIFF or whatever
TOP = PL in dim 2 should be Schoenflies because you can always triangulate a chart, transition functions to still get well-defined Jordan arc bounding Jordan domains on a part of another chart, extend this triangulation, etc
15:14
Don't you have Schoenflies in all dimensions
What is your statement of Schoenflies
I would say the key point in turning that into a triangulation is that embedded discs can't intersect too badly; it's easy in the Topological category to reduce to countably many intersection points and deal with that
In higher dimensions the intersections will look probably like countable sets of manifolds which accumulate somewhere or another
I can believe this is manageable in 3D with more work (lots of circles) bit that past that topology of manifolds is too complicated
Locally flat oriented balls in R^n are isotopic
Ok, yeah, ambient homeomorphisms preserve local flatness, so that's relevant
@MikeMiller Ok this is your chart intersection picture but for higher dimensions
Yeah, basically the point is that "compact submanifolds of S^1" are really tame and easy to handle
And then "compact submanifolds of S^2" are only slightly worse, trees of nested circles
But at S^3 you get knotted handlebodies and stuff
We could read Noise
Moise
Fine, yeah. I'd be down for that after exams
15:26
Sometime in winter maybe
@user2103480 oh, I realized I had misread the question
but still, tho, they're not dense
convergence in C([a,b]) is uniform convergence and if $\int f_n=0$ for all $n$ and $f_n\rightarrow f$ uniformly, then $\int f=0$
16:02
true
16:44
@MikeMiller Indeed! Thanks for your patience. I need to get more comfortable with this
 
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18:28
Hi @Ted!
Hi, a Balarka. So you had an exam just on curves?
Oh no it was a final exam. It wasn't too hard, you wouldn't be excited by it. The problem I used LCF on said curvature of projection to osculating plane is the same as curvature of the original curve, at the point.
Ah. That's one of my exercises. Any way you do it, the only subtlety is that when you project you lose arclength parametrization, but at the point in question you're OK.
Yeah, agreed. The point is the first two derivatives of the original curve agree with the projection at the point, yes?
Curvature can be recovered from the first two derivatives.
But you need to adjust by the speed (chain rule).
When you drop the third coordinate, you are no longer moving with speed $1$.
18:35
I agree, but $\kappa = \|\alpha' \times \alpha''\|/\|\alpha'\|^3$ works nonetheless.
Yes, of course.
OK :) Thanks for checking
Did you get to Gauss-Bonnet, etc.?
No, unfortunately the instructor cut down on the material severely. It wasn't a particularly appetizing course :(
Such things do happen :( How far did you get?
I had plenty of colleagues who would get waylaid going off on tangents or bogging down for unprepared students. I tried to keep in mind where I wanted to get and cut down on things in the middle if I needed to.
18:40
Yes, that's exactly what happened. We barely talked about Theorema Egregium on the last lecture.
A pity
Oh, yikes.
No parallel translation and barely any curvature. Yeah, not a well-planned course.
He did curvature, but nothing with it.
Is this a non-geometer learning it as he goes along?
How did you guess that? :D
Yes, this guy's a pure algebraist.
Well, some of our algebraists complained bitterly when I taught algebra (and then — gadzooks — wrote the textbook for the course), but algebraists tend to have little feel for things they don't use all the time.
/Snide remark/
18:44
LOL
I still have to understand what the whole scheme formalism is useful for
I remember a well-regarded algebraist taught the Honors multivariable calculus when I was a grad student at Berkeley. He used Spivak's little book. It was a horrid course. The kids in the course came to me every day to find out what was actually going on.
Also, hi
Also, hi, Astyx.
18:45
sad Thorgott noises
@Astyx, even over $\Bbb C$ sometimes you play with things that are not smooth manifolds. When there are singularities you need more structure (and recall that the "variety" given by $x^2=0$ is different from the "variety" given by $x=0$; the difference is precisely scheme structure).
Oh, good; my hat is showing up.
@Balarka: Well, lucky for you, you already know Gauss-Bonnet and you can always work more good exercises in my book :D
Yup, that's what I did before exam.
Curves and surfaces can be extremely fun when one knows what they're doing, even the computations
why, actually, do we usually call open sets $U$ and not $O$
@Balarka: I still remember years and years ago one of my students coming into my office, drawing a helicoid at the top of the board, and explaining to other students what the tangent plane was doing moving along a ruling. Of course, he got a Ph.D. in geometric PDE later. :P
Umgebung
18:51
oh, is that where it comes from
Well, $O$ is an awkward letter in mathematics.
But it does bother me when a student uses $U$ for a closed set ... :P
How do you usually denote closed sets?
did Hausdorff originally axiomatize topology through neighborhoods instead of open sets
$X\setminus U$ ?
@TedShifrin Inspiring story.
18:53
LOL, no, I use a letter like $C$ or $Z$ or something.
I'd use $F$
I also try to train students (and I've done so here, too) that if they have $f\colon X\to Y$, they should use $x$ for an element of $X$, not for an element of $Y$, etc.
The tangent planes along rulings of a helicoid feels like an overtwisted contact structure on the disk
I use $A$ or $C$
@Astyx: Of course, you would, Mr. Fermé.
18:55
That's exactly what you get if you "blow it up" at the origin, maybe, whatever blowup of a distribution is.
And I guess $K$ for kompact is usual everywhere around the world
You pull the $1$-form back to the blow-up, @Balarka?
We should find out the Greek words and use the appropriate Greek letters.
Why do we write a sheaf of rings $\mathcal{O}_X$ ?
Because $\mathscr O$ was adopted for holomorphic functions. I'm not sure why.
Maybe some people thought it was spelt olomorphic
19:00
spelt? That's a grain.
Is that not correct?
I write spelled ... not sure what the British is.
Pronounced, you meant :3
I think both forms are correct
Maybe I'm wrong tho, I'm no expert
@TedShifrin I screamed for hours when I saw, 10 times on a midterm, "Let U be a closed set"
19:02
Yeah, how could they??!!
@Mike @Ted You'll also be interested to know that we had "Prove that Mobius strip is not diffeomorphic to an open subset of $S^2$" as an exam problem.
I am sure the guy doesn't know the right proof.
LOL ... I would never put such a thing in my course, but ...
An open subset of an orientable manifold is orientable?
Can't you just argue that one is orientable and the other isn't?
Now do homeomorphic
That's what I did
JCT
19:06
You have to be careful, @Astyx. $\Bbb RP^2\subset\Bbb RP^3$.
yeah, taht's right
@TedShifrin Open subset
I said that, @MikeM :)
Right
Well, I think Astyx probably wanted to use that. But you're right that there was no detail there.
I admit that, being NOT a topologist, I wouldn't try to use JCT.
Besides, that certainly was not proved in the course.
19:08
I didn't pay attention to his differential topology rant in the course so I wasn't sure if he actually showed the Mobius strip does not admit an oriented atlas.
Well, I challenged how to do hoeomorphic.
So I didn't want to assume anything
My undergrad diff geo course was not at this level of pedantry.
Yeah this is a dead giveaway that he does algebra. In fact, guess what kind of algebra he does.
I only realized recently that the correct basic understanding of orientation of topological manifolds is still in terms of local orientation, so that you can make sense of w_1-homomorphism.
But you need Schoenflies.
19:09
Non-commutative?
Lol, that's harsh Ted
But no
Representation theory
Close, but I think those guys are very down to earth. He does sheaf theory lmao
But not algebraic geometry?
Something in the intersection of. Grothendieck duality, to be precise.
19:11
Ah, interesting.
That's not like doing lattice-ordered groups (which one of my favorite colleagues at UGA did).
And I actually do mean favorite (as a friend) ... not because of his subject.
@BalarkaSen were you not here recently when Tobias started mentioning 2-representations of 2-categories
@TedShifrin Haha
That was all your fault, @Thor.
Does that make 4?
I know linearly ordered groups but not lattice ordered groups
LO groups are great and come up in topology
19:12
ambiguous L
I refuse to take the blame for that
I tried not bringing up categories for once
@Thorgott 2-categories are better than derived upper shriek
Which is what Grothendieck duality is about
ye but how "down to earth" are 2-categories
on a scale of 1-10, maybe 4
OK, 3
Is that even a question at this point?
19:15
derived upper shriek is a 0
I don't have any idea what any of this is.
I thought it was funny that our friend considers representation theory to be rigid enough that group actions are not representation theory, but not so rigid that group actions on linear 2-categories are still representation theory
I remember upper and lower shrieks. I think I had them in one of my seminar lectures I gave.
But he is a representation theorist and I am not
So I take him at his word
2-categories are just categories enriched over the category of small categories, very simple
19:15
@MikeM: In fairness, it depends on what sort of set the group is acting :P
@TedShifrin I think in algebraic geometry they are more concrete.
I was doing something with generalized Riemann-Roch ...
Probably for that beautiful little Atiyah-Hirzebruch paper on non-multiplicative signature.
<--- knows nothing
Basic representation theory is too mind-numbingly concrete. I quit auditing the course this semester after the guy started listing down characters of $\text{SL}_2(\Bbb F_p)$
I cannot pretend to care
there's plenty of cool enough non-concrete stuff in basic rep theory
The issue there isn't that it's too concrete
It's that such lists of numbers are meaningless to most
19:23
I believe the only groups whose characters I ever computed outside of trivial examples were $S_5$ and $A_5$ and those were very instructive
This is actually something I wish I knew a lot better.
Anyway that stuff is just not my taste, concrete or no
Like Balarka's diff geo teacher, I presented a representation-theoretic proof of the Kähler identities when I taught complex manifolds, just to "learn" it. It was actually sorta cool.
This is the SL2C proof?
My understanding is that proofs like that are basically the reason for the invention of repthy
Yeah, @MikeM, Hecht's proof.
I mean, it's either that or a local argument using the fact that Kähler gives you the analogue of Gauss normal coordinates.
19:28
@Thorgott Yes these are alright
$S_n$ is great in general
But I did feel like I was reading stuff off my notes more than any other time in my teaching career.
yeah, sadly I never learned the Young tableau stuff
I forgot the local proof.
This is the sort of result that I would probably black-box if I were going to teach this material again.
it's a general fact that characters of S_n have integral values and it's nice to observe explicitly how this fails explicitly in A_n precisely on those S_n-conjugacy classes that split into two A_n-conjugacy classes
19:38
This sounds like good, concrete algebra :)
it is
but rest assured, I only remarked this at the end of a seminar talk that was otherwise inconcrete :P
I'm glad we could count on you!
Yes, I always instructed grad students presenting seminar talks, their oral exams, their thesis defenses, ... to highlight examples.
I had other examples too, like remarking that $S_4$ is the only group of order $p^3q$ with $p,q$ prime that does not have a normal Sylow subgroup
That seems a bit more recondite, but OK.
it made sense in the context of the talk, which was about Burnside's theorem
one can show that groups whose order has at most 3 prime factors are solvable by induction and showing they contain a normal Sylow subgroup, the remark says this method doesn't generalize
19:51
Ah. Admittedly, this is stuff that has always left me ice-cold.
the theorem is fantastic, but the proof still seems like magic to me
Yeah I don't understand Burnside's theorem and I don't feel like I want to
You can't learn/understand everything, a Balarka.
I know the proof but it's magic like Thorgott said. Pure manipulation with character values
I watched a lecture by Borcherds where he said nobody understands characters.
in the context of this proof
no one understands characters
19:59
No wonder our politicians have no character.
Deformation of characters, @Ted
it's weirdly combinatorial
the crazy part is that if $\chi$ is the character of an irrep $\rho$ and $g$ a group element such that the conjugacy class of $g$ has size coprime to the degree of the rep, then either $\chi$ vanishes on $g$ or $\rho(g)$ is a multiple of the identity
I've internalized the proof of this fact to the point where it's absolutely clear why it's true, yet it's still magic
20:14
@Thorgott I don't remember any details, but intuitively $\rho$ is one of the matrix algebras in the AW decomposition of $\Bbb CG$, and the conjugacy class gives rise to an irrep hence another one of the matrix algebras in the AW decomposition (by the bijection b/w conjugacy classes and irreps).
If they are different guys, $\chi$ should vanish on $g$. If they are the same guys, $\rho(g)$ should be a multiple of the identity by Schur.
Why doesn't this "work", in the sense of, why can't you make this into a proof?
what's "the" bijection between conjugacy classes and irreps?
cause there is no natural one in general
Maybe there's more of a pairing than a direct bijection
exactly, they're naturally dual to one another via a pairing
same thing as Poincaré duality, kind of
algebra-coalgebra pairing, yes, I follow you
$\Bbb CG$ is naturally an algebra and a coalgebra at the same time.
I think it's what they call a Hopf algebra
20:27
Evaluate one structure against the other and look at the induced action on the $G$-conjugation fixed stuff
Yeah
But there is no way to make the above work even with this pairing, or?
20:47
hmm, I feel there might be an observation hiding here, but I'm not seeing an argument atm
 
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23:27
@BalarkaSen somehow, I have way more problems with these kinds of situations in algebra than in analysis
And a particularly weird thing was the yoneda lemma, which in summer I could just reprove if I wanted to (which is ofc not that great of a feat, since it's only one trick between the detail murkiness), but still had no intuition for what so ever
Where in contrast I can often confidently use results from analysis that I definitely can't reprove

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